Expensive? You can get a CD-R/DVD-R drive for <$20, at retail, shipping included. When you look at the electronics, mechanics, and optics involved, that's amazing.
The first writable optical drive I bought, an HP 4020i, was $400 (about $600, inflation adjusted).
HP got out of the business. If they think that there are huge profits to be made, maybe they should get back in and corner the market.
Prior to 1978, in the US, a copyright notice was required to claim copyright. Mere creation was not sufficient. That doesn't apply to a work created circa 1983.
Until 1989, either a copyright notice or registration within 5 years was required, something which may apply in this case. My understanding is that the 1989 change in law also brought pre-1978 works which lacked a notice under copyright.
As Wikipedia puts it "Until the Berne Convention Implementation Act of 1988, the lack of a proper copyright notice would place an otherwise copyrightable work into the public domain, although for works published between January 1, 1978 and February 28, 1989, this could be prevented by registering the work with the Library of Congress within five years of publication."
No doubt, an IP lawyer will pop up and clarify things, but the GP may be correct in thinking this may not be copyrighted. I doubt a copy of this work was registered, and it may lack a notice.
There's no right to form a corporation. Corporations are entirely artificial legal constructs, and Congress should have the ability to define to what ends they can be formed.
That in no way takes away anyone's rights - citizens may still band together for common cause and speech, but without the special legal treatment offered by incorporation. If corporations have the right of free speech, do they also have the right to vote?
I disagree. Corporations gain special tax and liability advantages - requiring them to give up rights is a a reasonable cost for that. That in no way prevents people from associating in other ways which lack such legal advantages while retaining their rights.
You don't when that warrant is ethically and Constitutionally wrong, doubly so when it infringes on the rights of innocent others. Just because the Emperor says he's wearing clothes, doesn't make it so.
Sure, they'll get pissed and come at you - but that doesn't change the fact that it's the right thing to do.
I notice that you've totally ignored the whole point - why should those who only need 1/1 or less for basic service ($47.80/mo with your figures) subsidize those who want 100/100 ($120/mo with your figures)?
The simple fact is that if everyone did 10 MB of volume per month, the past 10 years of money spent on infrastructure upgrades would have been unnecessary. The upgrades were done for those who use 10 GB, but paid for equally by everyone. Make a case where that's fair.
That's simply not true. Show me where I can buy a 10G interface for the cost of a 10M one, and I'll rescind that statement. At some level of aggregation, infrastructure costs do increase nearly linearly with bandwidth use.
Show me the unlimited last mile bandwidth which makes it so cheap - fiber requires port-per-endpoint, cable is a shared medium, DSL is slower than either, satellite is slow/shared, dialup is port-per-endpoint.
If you think the cost difference between supporting, say 100,000 users @50 MB/month vs. 50 GB/month is a rounding error, you're deluded.
I would have no real problem with usage based pricing, as long as it was relative, not absolute.
i.e. priced in comparison to other users (you can argue whether median or mean makes more sense) - so maybe there are 4 tiers, <25% of average, 25%-average, average-400%, and 400%+ of average.
That way, tiers get automatically adjusted to follow average Internet usage. And do it on a rolling average basis, across at least 3 months.
The unfairness of flat rate pricing is that those who don't suck bandwidth are paying for those who do.
I think the fact that Google is a success shows that Page (and Brin) were right, and Woot being purchased by Amazon shows that the Wooters were right, too.
I guess you never thought about what "United States" means. We have a federal government, not a national one. (don't argue the semantics, I'm using the terms a bit imprecisely to draw a distinction) We are a country of United States, not a country divided into states.
"The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States", "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people." - US Constitution. Don't be concerned if you haven't heard that last bit, not even the Supreme Court is aware of it.
The Articles of Confederation made this even more clear: "Each state retains its sovereignty, freedom, and independence, and every power, jurisdiction, and right, which is not by this Confederation expressly delegated to the United States, in Congress assembled."
You realize the GP is BS, right? Sure, a 64b processor at 2.5 GHz could copy 10Gb of full duplex data between 2 ports using 50% CPU while doing nothing else. But add the overhead required for control plan, then consider that a 2 port router is pretty useless (not much more than a bridge), and there's no meat.
For a practical real world non-trivial router, you need 10s or 100s of ports. Now picture both control and forwarding planes which allows 10s or 100s of such CPUs to coordinate resources for both decision and port access, and you'll find CPU and/or OS is not the hard part.
There hasn't been "an OS of some sort pushing those bits around" for quite a while. OS's handle the control plane. The forwarding plane has been microcoded hardware for a decade or more, depending on how you define/count it.
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Expensive? You can get a CD-R/DVD-R drive for <$20, at retail, shipping included. When you look at the electronics, mechanics, and optics involved, that's amazing.
The first writable optical drive I bought, an HP 4020i, was $400 (about $600, inflation adjusted).
HP got out of the business. If they think that there are huge profits to be made, maybe they should get back in and corner the market.
Prior to 1978, in the US, a copyright notice was required to claim copyright. Mere creation was not sufficient. That doesn't apply to a work created circa 1983.
Until 1989, either a copyright notice or registration within 5 years was required, something which may apply in this case. My understanding is that the 1989 change in law also brought pre-1978 works which lacked a notice under copyright.
As Wikipedia puts it "Until the Berne Convention Implementation Act of 1988, the lack of a proper copyright notice would place an otherwise copyrightable work into the public domain, although for works published between January 1, 1978 and February 28, 1989, this could be prevented by registering the work with the Library of Congress within five years of publication."
No doubt, an IP lawyer will pop up and clarify things, but the GP may be correct in thinking this may not be copyrighted. I doubt a copy of this work was registered, and it may lack a notice.
There's no right to form a corporation. Corporations are entirely artificial legal constructs, and Congress should have the ability to define to what ends they can be formed.
That in no way takes away anyone's rights - citizens may still band together for common cause and speech, but without the special legal treatment offered by incorporation. If corporations have the right of free speech, do they also have the right to vote?
"Citizens' Unions and political organizations are different from "normal" business corporations, in that they are voluntarily formed"
So, you're claiming that commercial corporations are involuntarily formed?
I see someone has modded the above as "troll." I can only assume that they agree with Citizens United.
I disagree. Corporations gain special tax and liability advantages - requiring them to give up rights is a a reasonable cost for that. That in no way prevents people from associating in other ways which lack such legal advantages while retaining their rights.
You don't when that warrant is ethically and Constitutionally wrong, doubly so when it infringes on the rights of innocent others. Just because the Emperor says he's wearing clothes, doesn't make it so.
Sure, they'll get pissed and come at you - but that doesn't change the fact that it's the right thing to do.
I'm not clicking that, so I have a question. Is that the site you go to in order to register with the government as a whistleblower?
"But we have tubes!!!"
They were obviously planning on making their own Internet.
Legal and safe solution: get off the damn bike and push it to your destination as a pedestrian. Walking a block or two isn't a hardship.
I notice that you've totally ignored the whole point - why should those who only need 1/1 or less for basic service ($47.80/mo with your figures) subsidize those who want 100/100 ($120/mo with your figures)?
Adding more fibers is obvious, and disingenuous at the same time.Why not 10,000 FDDI fibers? It's not clear if you're trolling or ignorant.
BS. Authoritative citations, or more BS.
The simple fact is that if everyone did 10 MB of volume per month, the past 10 years of money spent on infrastructure upgrades would have been unnecessary. The upgrades were done for those who use 10 GB, but paid for equally by everyone. Make a case where that's fair.
On 10G, you can go 80 km, not 500. More cost is more cost.
I'd guess you're one of those who regularly torrent 100G at home, 20G on a cell phone, and expect others to pay.
Kansas City is subsidizing Google's fiber - they get free access to power, rights of way and office space. Are you ignorant or being misleading?
That's simply not true. Show me where I can buy a 10G interface for the cost of a 10M one, and I'll rescind that statement. At some level of aggregation, infrastructure costs do increase nearly linearly with bandwidth use.
Show me the unlimited last mile bandwidth which makes it so cheap - fiber requires port-per-endpoint, cable is a shared medium, DSL is slower than either, satellite is slow/shared, dialup is port-per-endpoint.
If you think the cost difference between supporting, say 100,000 users @50 MB/month vs. 50 GB/month is a rounding error, you're deluded.
I would have no real problem with usage based pricing, as long as it was relative, not absolute.
i.e. priced in comparison to other users (you can argue whether median or mean makes more sense) - so maybe there are 4 tiers, <25% of average, 25%-average, average-400%, and 400%+ of average.
That way, tiers get automatically adjusted to follow average Internet usage. And do it on a rolling average basis, across at least 3 months.
The unfairness of flat rate pricing is that those who don't suck bandwidth are paying for those who do.
"Page and Wooters may have been right"
I think the fact that Google is a success shows that Page (and Brin) were right, and Woot being purchased by Amazon shows that the Wooters were right, too.
The headline should be really about the creation of a Godlike observer, which was a prerequisite for this experiment.
Your statement is obviously true. If they fixed the software, the whole thing could run on a spare 386 PC.
I guess you never thought about what "United States" means. We have a federal government, not a national one. (don't argue the semantics, I'm using the terms a bit imprecisely to draw a distinction) We are a country of United States, not a country divided into states.
"The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States", "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people." - US Constitution. Don't be concerned if you haven't heard that last bit, not even the Supreme Court is aware of it.
The Articles of Confederation made this even more clear: "Each state retains its sovereignty, freedom, and independence, and every power, jurisdiction, and right, which is not by this Confederation expressly delegated to the United States, in Congress assembled."
Defund the NSA, and repurpose their data center for this. Two birds with one stone.
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You realize the GP is BS, right? Sure, a 64b processor at 2.5 GHz could copy 10Gb of full duplex data between 2 ports using 50% CPU while doing nothing else. But add the overhead required for control plan, then consider that a 2 port router is pretty useless (not much more than a bridge), and there's no meat.
For a practical real world non-trivial router, you need 10s or 100s of ports. Now picture both control and forwarding planes which allows 10s or 100s of such CPUs to coordinate resources for both decision and port access, and you'll find CPU and/or OS is not the hard part.
There hasn't been "an OS of some sort pushing those bits around" for quite a while. OS's handle the control plane. The forwarding plane has been microcoded hardware for a decade or more, depending on how you define/count it.
Next you're going to tell us you don't have Sears ponchos, you have Mexican ponchos.