Never made it to FE Warren.. one of the few bases. Postured Malmstrom, Minot, Whiteman, Grand Forks and then did a tour at Vandenberg which was the most fun.
During the Cuban missile crisis we took over the sites from Boeing (even though they were not completed) and postured them just so we would have the additional fire power if required. Fortunately it all worked out with the fight... for that I am grateful.
My experiences were from the 60's so the philosophy may have changed since then about ground burst and hitting hardened targets.
I was already at Grand Forks when this incident took place at Malmstrom.
I'm not going to argue with you about it, I was on a SAC minuteman missile combat targeting team for eight years that was responsible for setting the war plans, setting the targets, installing the launch codes and aligning the missile to true north (before some new self aligning innovations were installed) so I believe I have the right to make my point. Gravity brings down everything including all of the dirt and rock and debris that is highly radioactive. A dead zone for all who enter. That is why we have ground bursts!
As you pointed out an air burst is much more devastating however a ground burst spread radiation much more and makes the place uninhabitable for a very long time even if all of the buildings are not knocked down.
That is why the missiles have both war plans. Sometimes for destroying and other time for making an important place impassable without needing to wear special garb to protect from the radiation.
Thanks for sharing the information on Security concepts. It looks nice so far (haven't read it all yet) and it says some things in succinct ways that I have always had a difficult time putting into words.
I've seen similar things on the farm too. Chickens would drink the silage juice that was fermented because of the moisture in the silage. A drunk chicken would be off balance and would run sort of sideways trying to regain its balance eventually running into the side of the chicken house, barn, fence etc. We would watch them by the hour.
I see what you mean. I live in the Appalachian's and can see from my house the trains at a distance loaded with coal moving day and night... everyday. it is a lot of coal... but then there is a lot of coal here in the hills.
Many of my personal friends are each making headway towards getting off of the grid. Just as you said "using Windmills and solar panels". Most live out in the sticks on 20 acres or so size plots totally surrounded by forest, Wildlife galore and many burn wood for heat as it is plentiful and does not require cutting down trees. The land is VERY hilly and so as a tree grows it invariably begins to tilt and falls after 50 years or so. So it is easily available and obtained.
leaving the trees in the forests to decompose gives this area some unique ingredients that makes Golden Seal, Ginseng, and Cohosh to grow as natural herbs.
I have 22 acres of herbs that my partner and I planted.
I feel though that the pendulum is swinging the other way and that nuclear energy will be viewed as ultimately safe... however there may be higher dimensional repercussions of atomic energy that we still do not understand as we do not yet have tools to monitor or measure this energy.
To sum up my ramblings... I do not know if nuclear energy is really safe or not... but I do see the grave devastation that Appalachia is experiencing even now and has for a century just as you have mentioned in your post!
"The accused's chance of winning is higher than in a criminal case, because in civil litigation the burden of proof is lower. "
I am having a hard time parsing this sentence. Should it be "accuser's" rather than "accused's" or have I just got a mental blank about this sentence. Maybe change "winning" to "losing".
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I do not disagree with any of your points in fact they are often my points too.
The focus I was making was of the "Credits" that large companies can buy from the government so that they can create environmental messes without the need to clean them up. The whole ground around this area has "Yellow Boy" everywhere which is high acidic liquid that has a host of microbes that thrivew at the high acid environment.
Our water treatment plant now has to deal with this. The whole watershed from the mine runs directly into Burr Oak and Sunday Creek... downhill all the way.
A non-profit organization Rural Action (composed of volunteers) has a program in place to combat some of this but the problem is very complex... especially when drinking water is involved.
The Ohio State rating moved from the top level to a low level as to the quality of the drinking water in the area.
Many of my friends are coal miners and their parents before them and their parents before them too. We are fortunate to have such natural resources here. My point is that Buckeye Coal Company is doing nothing to assist the now poor drinking water sitution.
Thanks again for making the valid points that you made.
The water source for the Glouster, Ohio area is gotten from Burr Oak Lake which is man made here in the Appalachians. A dam was placed across a valley and made this huge lake.
People would drive from 15 - 20 miles away with containers to gather the water for drinking because it was so pure.
When the coal mine started producing coal approx 8 years ago all of the tailings would wash from Sunday creek area into the Lake and now it is dangerous to even drink the water because of all of the impurities.
What did the coal company do about it? They bought some of these "free passes"
So now that the coal mine is closed and another is now opened about 3 miles further up the road.
And residences of Glouster, Trimble, Jacksonville, and Burr Oak now have tainted water for ever.
The "Free Pass" is just the cost of doing business for the big companies and has nothing to do with the local residence to whom the coal company should feel responsible for fixing what they broke.
The old sports adage... "Keep your eye on the ball" applies here.
Schools are here to teach and educate our young ones. It appears they are losing sight of their purpose.
It seems that the schools are failing more often and getting further behind in their mission. It is as if this whole Facebook fiasco is an attempt to redirect the attention away from the schools main purpose.
The school admins need to get back to education purposes. If they continue to get further behind and continue to fail in educating our young ones then these very young ones will simply decide one day to stop attending. Perhaps the youngsters will set up their own schools and learn what they feel is important and relevant as opposed to the official schools. I sense that this will be the flow of things in the next 10 years. Self taught education.
I once had to take over the support of a series of 10,000 line assembler programs that did not have a single comment. these programs would communicate through the printer port with a black box device that was use for testing monitoring equipment.
Each different monitor had its own program so to make an across the board change to the codebase one had to change each program that was similar but different from the other.
I took a couple days out and first added comments and dividing lines as to what test was being run. This also involved figuring out what the code was even suppose to be doing at times.
This simple documentation task literally found hundreds of errors when comparing each individual test among that same test in all of the codebase.
The original code was written by an old professor in his 70's who was really sharp but never bothered to learn "C" so the code was written in assembler instead. As new monitors were added to be tested then the snapshot of the present code was modified and named for that monitor thus an ever growing quantity of code in various states of being updated was created.
documentation, standardization, refactoring all permitted this mess to be fixed. It actually was a fun project.
Back in the 80's and early 90's McDonnell Douglas's Computer System Corporation manufactured a computer composed of individual pieces that latched together. Each piece provided a port and performed an unique function such as a floppy, a hard drive, etc.
So if you wanted a hard drive simply snap it on the end of what was called the "brick". latch on a floppy or an async port or video module etc.
The more devices attached then the longer the brick became.
It ran DOS and the other details about it are too hazy to recall right now.
Maybe some guys from Microdata or Novadyne remembers this better than I do.
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Please mod up comment by the parent. It is right on.
As an addition... When vacuum tubes were used in computers the defective tubes would often have a blue glow indicating a gassy condition and those were changed out first.
Sort of like the Berlin Wall (I'm an old codger). One day it was standing and seemed insurmountable and the next day it was falling down and being knocked apart by individuals from both sides and led to reunification only a year later. The USSR/East Germany was "old energy" and could not maintain itself. Who would have guessed back then that in 1989 the wall would be gone and the USSR would be going fast.
I sense this same energy with insurance. Wait 5 years and see what happens with it. I'm not a prognosticator by any means however I do sense energy and the stuffy insurance companies definitely have "old energy" and will therefore have to go the way of the Berlin Wall.
As for you, I do hope that your car insurer stays in business till the very end. Whether that end is 5 years away or 10 years away... but it will crumble eventually with all of the other insurers.
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Thanks for the URL
This story is very interesting from the perspective of a scientist who was there and contributed directly to the find.
Air Force http://www.cufon.org/cufon/malmstrom/malm1.htm
Never made it to FE Warren.. one of the few bases. Postured Malmstrom, Minot, Whiteman, Grand Forks and then did a tour at Vandenberg which was the most fun.
During the Cuban missile crisis we took over the sites from Boeing (even though they were not completed) and postured them just so we would have the additional fire power if required. Fortunately it all worked out with the fight... for that I am grateful.
My experiences were from the 60's so the philosophy may have changed since then about ground burst and hitting hardened targets.
I was already at Grand Forks when this incident took place at Malmstrom.
http://www.cufon.org/cufon/malmstrom/malm1.htm
I'm not going to argue with you about it, I was on a SAC minuteman missile combat targeting team for eight years that was responsible for setting the war plans, setting the targets, installing the launch codes and aligning the missile to true north (before some new self aligning innovations were installed) so I believe I have the right to make my point. Gravity brings down everything including all of the dirt and rock and debris that is highly radioactive. A dead zone for all who enter. That is why we have ground bursts!
As you pointed out an air burst is much more devastating however a ground burst spread radiation much more and makes the place uninhabitable for a very long time even if all of the buildings are not knocked down.
That is why the missiles have both war plans. Sometimes for destroying and other time for making an important place impassable without needing to wear special garb to protect from the radiation.
Dear aunt,let's set so double the killer delete select all
What is even stranger is there are still sites out there with "Jan 19108" on them. So after 9 years since 1999 some sites still need updating.
Guess if it ain't broke then don't mess with it syndrome.
Man, it sure doesn't seem that it has been that long ago.
Thanks for sharing the information on Security concepts. It looks nice so far (haven't read it all yet) and it says some things in succinct ways that I have always had a difficult time putting into words.
This document is note worthy and is worth a look.
It's also closed source!
Nobody really knows because it is locked... sigh
Hey... what happened to forgiveness?
I've seen similar things on the farm too. Chickens would drink the silage juice that was fermented because of the moisture in the silage. A drunk chicken would be off balance and would run sort of sideways trying to regain its balance eventually running into the side of the chicken house, barn, fence etc. We would watch them by the hour.
Absolutely hilarious
I see what you mean. I live in the Appalachian's and can see from my house the trains at a distance loaded with coal moving day and night... everyday. it is a lot of coal... but then there is a lot of coal here in the hills.
Many of my personal friends are each making headway towards getting off of the grid. Just as you said "using Windmills and solar panels". Most live out in the sticks on 20 acres or so size plots totally surrounded by forest, Wildlife galore and many burn wood for heat as it is plentiful and does not require cutting down trees. The land is VERY hilly and so as a tree grows it invariably begins to tilt and falls after 50 years or so. So it is easily available and obtained.
leaving the trees in the forests to decompose gives this area some unique ingredients that makes Golden Seal, Ginseng, and Cohosh to grow as natural herbs.
I have 22 acres of herbs that my partner and I planted.
I feel though that the pendulum is swinging the other way and that nuclear energy will be viewed as ultimately safe... however there may be higher dimensional repercussions of atomic energy that we still do not understand as we do not yet have tools to monitor or measure this energy.
To sum up my ramblings... I do not know if nuclear energy is really safe or not... but I do see the grave devastation that Appalachia is experiencing even now and has for a century just as you have mentioned in your post!
BS writes:
"The accused's chance of winning is higher than in a criminal case, because in civil litigation the burden of proof is lower. "
I am having a hard time parsing this sentence. Should it be "accuser's" rather than "accused's" or have I just got a mental blank about this sentence. Maybe change "winning" to "losing".
I do not disagree with any of your points in fact they are often my points too.
The focus I was making was of the "Credits" that large companies can buy from the government so that they can create environmental messes without the need to clean them up. The whole ground around this area has "Yellow Boy" everywhere which is high acidic liquid that has a host of microbes that thrivew at the high acid environment.
Our water treatment plant now has to deal with this. The whole watershed from the mine runs directly into Burr Oak and Sunday Creek... downhill all the way.
A non-profit organization Rural Action (composed of volunteers) has a program in place to combat some of this but the problem is very complex... especially when drinking water is involved.
The Ohio State rating moved from the top level to a low level as to the quality of the drinking water in the area.
Many of my friends are coal miners and their parents before them and their parents before them too. We are fortunate to have such natural resources here. My point is that Buckeye Coal Company is doing nothing to assist the now poor drinking water sitution.
Thanks again for making the valid points that you made.
The water source for the Glouster, Ohio area is gotten from Burr Oak Lake which is man made here in the Appalachians. A dam was placed across a valley and made this huge lake.
People would drive from 15 - 20 miles away with containers to gather the water for drinking because it was so pure.
When the coal mine started producing coal approx 8 years ago all of the tailings would wash from Sunday creek area into the Lake and now it is dangerous to even drink the water because of all of the impurities.
What did the coal company do about it? They bought some of these "free passes"
So now that the coal mine is closed and another is now opened about 3 miles further up the road.
And residences of Glouster, Trimble, Jacksonville, and Burr Oak now have tainted water for ever.
The "Free Pass" is just the cost of doing business for the big companies and has nothing to do with the local residence to whom the coal company should feel responsible for fixing what they broke.
Please mod up as this is the real story on prohibition.
The old sports adage... "Keep your eye on the ball" applies here.
Schools are here to teach and educate our young ones. It appears they are losing sight of their purpose.
It seems that the schools are failing more often and getting further behind in their mission. It is as if this whole Facebook fiasco is an attempt to redirect the attention away from the schools main purpose.
The school admins need to get back to education purposes. If they continue to get further behind and continue to fail in educating our young ones then these very young ones will simply decide one day to stop attending. Perhaps the youngsters will set up their own schools and learn what they feel is important and relevant as opposed to the official schools. I sense that this will be the flow of things in the next 10 years. Self taught education.
I once had to take over the support of a series of 10,000 line assembler programs that did not have a single comment. these programs would communicate through the printer port with a black box device that was use for testing monitoring equipment.
Each different monitor had its own program so to make an across the board change to the codebase one had to change each program that was similar but different from the other.
I took a couple days out and first added comments and dividing lines as to what test was being run. This also involved figuring out what the code was even suppose to be doing at times.
This simple documentation task literally found hundreds of errors when comparing each individual test among that same test in all of the codebase.
The original code was written by an old professor in his 70's who was really sharp but never bothered to learn "C" so the code was written in assembler instead. As new monitors were added to be tested then the snapshot of the present code was modified and named for that monitor thus an ever growing quantity of code in various states of being updated was created.
documentation, standardization, refactoring all permitted this mess to be fixed. It actually was a fun project.
Back in the 80's and early 90's McDonnell Douglas's Computer System Corporation manufactured a computer composed of individual pieces that latched together. Each piece provided a port and performed an unique function such as a floppy, a hard drive, etc.
So if you wanted a hard drive simply snap it on the end of what was called the "brick". latch on a floppy or an async port or video module etc.
The more devices attached then the longer the brick became.
It ran DOS and the other details about it are too hazy to recall right now.
Maybe some guys from Microdata or Novadyne remembers this better than I do.
Please mod up comment by the parent. It is right on.
As an addition...
When vacuum tubes were used in computers the defective tubes would often have a blue glow indicating a gassy condition and those were changed out first.
I do hope that your trip is not dicey.
Actually helium is inert and incombustible. You may be thinking of the Hindenburg (1937 new jersey) that used Hydrogen.
I guess I could imagine an "Open Source" type of arrangement or something with a GPL type of license for the good of those involved.
Maybe we will just assist each other in such a way that insurance is no longer required.
House raising, Barn raising, neighbor freely helping neighbor would cause a lot of insurance not to be as heavily required.
Guess we have no other choice but to wait and see what unfolds.
Sanat
Sort of like the Berlin Wall (I'm an old codger). One day it was standing and seemed insurmountable and the next day it was falling down and being knocked apart by individuals from both sides and led to reunification only a year later. The USSR/East Germany was "old energy" and could not maintain itself. Who would have guessed back then that in 1989 the wall would be gone and the USSR would be going fast.
I sense this same energy with insurance. Wait 5 years and see what happens with it. I'm not a prognosticator by any means however I do sense energy and the stuffy insurance companies definitely have "old energy" and will therefore have to go the way of the Berlin Wall.
As for you, I do hope that your car insurer stays in business till the very end. Whether that end is 5 years away or 10 years away... but it will crumble eventually with all of the other insurers.