Sure the name is near enough identical which could be a legal issue unless they licenced it from PG, but they include very prominant links to the original PG on their front page.
It would be interesting to see comments from the people at PG before you start calling people Profiteering Skum [sic].
Nice SCO and DMCA references though, someone was bound to get them in.;-)
yeah, it's odd that they claim to not be affiliated yet the name is nearly identical. Also, they include a lot of information on the 'free' Project Gutenberg and links.
I presume that they have some kind of relationship or agreement in place. Either that or they enjoy litigation.
The leader says that this raises questions about PG's commitment to providing free books? How so? They aren't in any way affiliated with them (at least according to their site).
taken from http://www.projectgutenberg.info/ "Today Project Gutenberg 2, an eBook library consortium adds an additional scope to eBook preservation and access. Project Gutenberg 2 is not affiliated with the Project Gutenberg Literary Archive Foundation and has received no funding, materials, or any other support from the Foundation. . "
That raises the question about the ISPs liability. If an ISP takes no action to prevent their users from screwing other people about, could they themselves be sued.
Maybe that's another reason why the ISPs should disconnect users who don't play well with others. I know I'd like to sue a certain Turkish telecom company if I could get change back from a 20 Euro note.
I think I wasn't completely clear there..
The point I was making is that Gun companies can't be held liable unless they break the law.
For example, if the gun company sell a gun legally to someone who then commits an illegal act, the gun company is not liable. If on the other hand, the gun company sells a box of guns to FARC, IRA, Hamas or a similar illegal group, then the gun company should have some kind of liablity.
If you knowingly allow your computer to be used for illegal purposes then you should be liable just as a bar owner who allows knowlingly allows drug dealers to use his premises will be punished.
The problem is that there may not be a competitors product to buy if the market leader is doing things like..
Making deals with suppliers that make it difficult for competitors to find distribution.
Making protocols and file formats closed so no-one else can make a competing product.
You are correct that sensible regulation is needed but naive if you believe that there is always choice. The two tactics above are used to take that choice away from you.
With most governments, you do have a choice, vote them out next time around if you don't like them.
>of course i'm not opposed to canadian musicians getting a bit of cash, but this is a harsh mechanism.
Bryan Adams and Celine Dion are Canadian 'musicians'. I sure as hell don't want them getting a bit of cash.
I'd have thought that memory hungry applications are the ones are going to help give 64 bit processors a push.
4GB of RAM just isn't as much as it used to seem.
Even if you can provide examples where corporations are tolerated breaking the law, that hardly justifies the 'Nigerian' fraudsters. Sounds more like a generic anti-capitalism type statement.
Also, most companies (in Europe anyway) who would try a similar scam would not be tolerated.
Encourage international business. Most of the spammers will provide you with convenient contact details such as phone and fax numbers. When you receive other spam, reply and pass these details on as your own.
I get a warm fuzzy feeling thinking about the Lagos criminals who are now busy sending faxes to a chinese car part manufacturer.
Well not really. If 1000 take 2 minutes to send a fake reply, that means a lot more work for the fraudster. How can they easily tell who's the hoax and who's the genuine victim,
Agreed, you'd have to be by far the bluntest tool in the box to fall for this kind of scam, but anyone who tolerates or accepts this kind of crime has a fairly odd outlook on the world.
So you're saying either protest against everything or protest against nothing. People following trendy causes may be irritating (particularly if you live near a university), but it does get results. Look at the compaigns against poverty in Africa and the AIDS campaigns back in the 80s. Cheesy as hell but helped a lot of people.
New idea for people running sites on IIS servers..
When the web server goes down, it's not a technical problem, it's a protest.
If you had read the link you posted, you'd see it's not the best example of frivolous lawsuits. She was perhaps not being very sensible but was certainly not a 'fucking idiot'.
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Easy tiger, aren't you jumping the gun somewhat?
;-)
Sure the name is near enough identical which could be a legal issue unless they licenced it from PG, but they include very prominant links to the original PG on their front page.
It would be interesting to see comments from the people at PG before you start calling people Profiteering Skum [sic].
Nice SCO and DMCA references though, someone was bound to get them in.
yeah, it's odd that they claim to not be affiliated yet the name is nearly identical. Also, they include a lot of information on the 'free' Project Gutenberg and links.
I presume that they have some kind of relationship or agreement in place. Either that or they enjoy litigation.
The leader says that this raises questions about PG's commitment to providing free books? How so? They aren't in any way affiliated with them (at least according to their site).
taken from http://www.projectgutenberg.info/
"Today Project Gutenberg 2, an eBook library consortium adds an additional scope to eBook preservation and access. Project Gutenberg 2 is not affiliated with the Project Gutenberg Literary Archive Foundation and has received no funding, materials, or any other support from the Foundation. . "
That raises the question about the ISPs liability. If an ISP takes no action to prevent their users from screwing other people about, could they themselves be sued.
Maybe that's another reason why the ISPs should disconnect users who don't play well with others. I know I'd like to sue a certain Turkish telecom company if I could get change back from a 20 Euro note.
I think I wasn't completely clear there.. The point I was making is that Gun companies can't be held liable unless they break the law. For example, if the gun company sell a gun legally to someone who then commits an illegal act, the gun company is not liable. If on the other hand, the gun company sells a box of guns to FARC, IRA, Hamas or a similar illegal group, then the gun company should have some kind of liablity. If you knowingly allow your computer to be used for illegal purposes then you should be liable just as a bar owner who allows knowlingly allows drug dealers to use his premises will be punished.
Gun makers aren't held responsible for same reason that Esso aren't held responsible if I buy a litre of petrol and use if to make a molotov cocktail.
The problem is that there may not be a competitors product to buy if the market leader is doing things like.. Making deals with suppliers that make it difficult for competitors to find distribution. Making protocols and file formats closed so no-one else can make a competing product. You are correct that sensible regulation is needed but naive if you believe that there is always choice. The two tactics above are used to take that choice away from you. With most governments, you do have a choice, vote them out next time around if you don't like them.
Okay, the UK took Bryan Adams of your hands...
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Will you take Pete Waterman from us?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/in_depth/uk/2000/new
Sorry, messed up the formatting on the last post..
>of course i'm not opposed to canadian musicians getting a bit of cash, but this is a harsh mechanism.
Bryan Adams and Celine Dion are Canadian 'musicians'. I sure as hell don't want them getting a bit of cash.
>of course i'm not opposed to canadian musicians getting a bit of cash, but this is a harsh mechanism. Bryan Adams and Celine Dion are Canadian 'musicians'. I sure as hell don't want them getting a bit of cash.
I'd have thought that memory hungry applications are the ones are going to help give 64 bit processors a push. 4GB of RAM just isn't as much as it used to seem.
Even if you can provide examples where corporations are tolerated breaking the law, that hardly justifies the 'Nigerian' fraudsters. Sounds more like a generic anti-capitalism type statement. Also, most companies (in Europe anyway) who would try a similar scam would not be tolerated.
Encourage international business. Most of the spammers will provide you with convenient contact details such as phone and fax numbers. When you receive other spam, reply and pass these details on as your own. I get a warm fuzzy feeling thinking about the Lagos criminals who are now busy sending faxes to a chinese car part manufacturer.
Well not really. If 1000 take 2 minutes to send a fake reply, that means a lot more work for the fraudster. How can they easily tell who's the hoax and who's the genuine victim, Agreed, you'd have to be by far the bluntest tool in the box to fall for this kind of scam, but anyone who tolerates or accepts this kind of crime has a fairly odd outlook on the world.
Following your line of reasoning, would you also argue that Epson have a monopoly on producing drivers for Epson printers (if we ignore GIMP Print)?
So you're saying either protest against everything or protest against nothing. People following trendy causes may be irritating (particularly if you live near a university), but it does get results. Look at the compaigns against poverty in Africa and the AIDS campaigns back in the 80s. Cheesy as hell but helped a lot of people. New idea for people running sites on IIS servers.. When the web server goes down, it's not a technical problem, it's a protest.
Falun Gong practitioners don't seem to have much freedom in China.
If you had read the link you posted, you'd see it's not the best example of frivolous lawsuits. She was perhaps not being very sensible but was certainly not a 'fucking idiot'.