Well, Mexico is a different story because of your Friends from the North. You get a few extra toys to play with, but the rest of Latin America isn't quite like that.
I doubt homes will move to a tiered storage like you mention. Home NAS is expensive (the ones with decent speed, not the crappy 5MB/s ones), and people just don't know how to use them. I'm on Windows and I use Offline Files to a Solaris 4x1TB ZFS system, which takes snapshots every 15 minutes. So I actually have realtime 15-minute incremental backups. But most folks wouldn't know how to set up something like that - or just wouldn't care.
But by the time SSDs become popular, maybe we'll have some more decent connections? Claro/Telmex announced 100Mbit connections for next year here. They didn't give any details (about availability, pricing, or if it's residential or corporate), but the important thing is: if we're discussing 100mbit connections for Latin America then maybe the "cloud" is starting to become a reality.
Hahaha, what a douche. "Third world" countries like mine don't show where the [computer] world is heading, but where it IS. You know something's been "massively adopted" when it's available here. SSDs for example are just expensive toys for early adopters with deep pockets, even in the USA.
OK, wait a second. No, just no. USB came out in 1996, and the iMac in 1998. PCs didn't have USB "for a few years". USB stuff just happened to start coming out because there were enough computers with USB. I remember 1998, pal. I bought a SCSI scanner then, USB scanners were still unheard of, where I live (Argentina) anyway. And even today, it's still hard to find an USB keyboard here. I was surprised that a local computer store had about 10 different PS/2 keyboards and just one USB. Most motherboards still come with PS2 and serial anyway.
Motherboards DON'T have "that damn space" bullshit you said. For the last 15 years it's been built into a single chip (the super IO), and the ATX connector space has lots of space for the legacy ports. And manufacturers. And here's one you might like: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813121388&Tpk=dp55wb
What's next? Ditching Java apps just because Apple deprecated their JVM? EWWWW legacy? deprecated? Sounds to me like OLD. Who wants old stuff in their shiny new computer? Not me, I have a Mac. It's not a computer, it's a lifestyle, a fashion statement.
You mean desktop virtualization? Do you need to run 2+ OSes at the same time? That's what virtualization is for. Or do you need to just suspend and restore states? You can get away with hibernation for that. Or do you mean go back in time to a known working configuration? Windows can do that (System Restore), but I don't really see why you would need that on your main machine. If you're trying stuff out, you should try it inside the VM anyway (you use Workstation or VirtualBox for that).
ESX is nice, but it's not what you think. You don't get a local console (last time I checked, anyway), you're supposed to access it from SSH or VNC. It also designed for datacenter stuff (like SAS disks and controllers. It doesn't support IDE for example). You're looking for VMWare Workstation (Paid) or VirtualBox (free for non-commercial use), which are pretty fast. Paravirtualization (ESX or XEN) will give ~98% speed on Linux (on a PV kernel) and Windows only works well if you use GPLPV drivers, otherwise is slow as hell.
I'd just recommemd you stay away from virtualization if you're just a desktop user. Unless you're trying out shareware/malware/stuff that can break your install. If you're upgrading, why not use the old machine to try ESX, XEN and other stuff and figure out yourself how you want to use it? Stick to dual-boot for now.
Keep in mind that when you talk about "Overpricing" in emerging markets, it's way much more than you can imagine. Down here in Argentina a Dell computer is about 3x the price of a generic machine (already assembled by your local computer tech), yet in developed countries the price is similar. An XBOX 360 or PS3 goes for almost USD 800 for the basic version (while it's not over $200 in the USA). And NO, I don't accept the "taxes" excuse. Taxes aren't really that high.
So the point is: companies have been trying to squeeze money out of emerging markets for years, and now they're basically whining because they never sold anything (except maybe to corrupt governments).
It's not that difficult to do: just sell your product at a price that the market can pay (no, this isn't impossible. McDonald's has been doing this for years. A Big Mac doesn't cost the same in every country). But the problem is: companies don't want to go through all the "hassle" needed to sell a product. Look: Microsoft doesn't have "offices" here in Argentina. They have a whole , like IBM, and I'm not sure why, but there is a 30+ story building with a Sun Microsystems logo near these. So if they can invest that much money in a developing country such as mine, why can't they put a little, just a LITTLE effort in selling their products as well?
Why do I have to pay almost 2 months salary for a game machine that any European or American can get for 1/5 of their weekly salary (and even less)? Why does a Windows license cost MORE here than what it costs in the USA? Are you really, absolutely, positively sure that they can't sell a product here for what the market can really pay for? No? Really? Then why does 3D cinema on a saturday night cost $20 (USD 5) here? I know it costs way more than USD 5 in USA. Oh, I know, because people would buy the overseas version of Windows to pay less? Really? Really? Joe Sixpack will order Windows from Argentina (in Spanish for Christ's sake!) to pay less than the american version? Really? Oh so we make a castrated version of Windows, call it Windows Starter and sell it to all the poor bastards that don't deserve to open more than THREE apps at a time.
Really? Really, FUCK Microsoft, Sony, and every other company that doesn't give a fuck about the third world and then comes whining when they are "losing" a "potential" market share. Potential my ass: you won't sell your crap for what you want to charge.
Thank God we have piracy (because open source just doesn't do it sometimes).
USB supplies 100mA 5V, and after negotiation from the USB device and host, and if the host has available power, it can send up to 500mA (in some hosts, like Gigabyte 3x boards this is over 1A). This depends on the controller and drivers - some controllers just send 500mA if available, while others are more zealous and will cut the power if it's over 100mA.
Assuming it's all standard, this guy is getting 30 ports x 100mA => 3A. 3A x 5V = 15W. or if the host is supplying 500mA per port, 75W. I'd like to know then what would be the temperature rise on that hot plate. Any EEs or physicists here that can make this calculation?
That's a problem with the manufacturer, actually. Most of them just don't care to make drivers for old stuff. Instead they just want you to buy new hardware.
What other reason would you have to change that VGA webcam? Only recently Logitech has started to offer "HD 720p" webcams (one has to wonder why, as most connections out there can't handle a live stream of 720p video at a decent framerate). And even if they do, honestly, other than the perverts at Chatroulette, who the hell uses webcams anyway?
BTW, point-to-point usually uses PPP (no IPs lost) or cablemodem tricks (make the CPE control link speed and "firewall" the shared media making it look like a point to point, while it's still just ethernet).
I haven't move to said ISP because of that issue. I talked to the admin there, and he said: yes, we NAT the residential connections, and we do block P2P in those too.
Besides there is another problem. try downloading a file from some hoster like Megaupload, Rapidshare, etc: you just can't. Because someone else has already used the free daily limit.
And the price is the same as the other local ISP, only this one sells crap and the other works relatively good.
Yes, if it uses cablemodem-style allocation. But REAL ISPs (the ones that can route to your own subnet bought from ARIN/LACNIC/RIPE/ETC) have to route it that way.
Yes, all sounds good, until your ISP starts providing you with 1 private IP address for your home, with no way around it. Here in my city 1 of the ISPs does this, you get an address from the 10.0.0.0/8 range. If you need to poke a hole in the firewall for things like IM file transfer or webcam, any kind of P2P, SIP, SSH/remote desktop/vnc into your home machine, etc... guess what? you're out of luck. Change ISPs? Sure, until the other ISPs are forced to do the same. What are we going to do then?
And that's what we're going to get. I simply don't see the point of mentioning NAT as a near-term temporary solution: it ALREADY is doing that. Guess what? Companies don't give their desktops public IPv4 addresses anymore, they haven't done that in several years now, so I don't see what your point is. You're just in denial and being too optimistic.
I wonder why no one mentions v4 addresses are "lost in routing". Take for example an ISP here, they used to give you a full/24 (legacy CLASS C, and let me stop here for a bit: NOT EVERY ASSIGNMENT IN THE NET IS A, B or C. Only script kiddies dreaming of "T3" "pipes" talk about "class C" and "ping of death", get over it! It's 2010 already. OK, back to my point). So they used to give you a/24. For every 256 addresses on a/24, the.0 and.255 are usually not usable, and the.1 is usually the CPE router. But now they don't give out a/24 anymore, unless you specifically state why you need such a large space. So they give out a/30. 8 addresses, again the first and last are unusable, and the first available is the CPE router. 3 out of 8 or 27% of the addresses are lost in routing.
Let me recap: NAT is not the solution, it's already there holding the internet like duct tape.
Try steel wool, works great. I use the Press-N-Peel Blue system for my PCBs, before PnP I clean the copper (mine comes with dull "stuff" to keep it from oxidating) with steel wool until it's shiny and apply the PnP - works fantastic. Someone suggested I use powdered chalk to clean up. Works good, but it's too fine. Makes the Copper way too shiny and the toner won't stick.
Imported goods have up to 50% tax. Products "made" in the country (even "assembled" here counts as "made". I doubt we have the technology to produce Motorola Milestones, yet mine says "made in Argentina". "Packing" it here seems to be enough to call it "made" and avoid a few taxes)
"Computer" products, that run with electricity (that is: computer, processors, ram sticks, power supplies- but NOT blank media, cases, mousepads, etc) have 10,5% VAT (They were trying to raise it to 21 but I don't know what happened with that).
Still, this is not about taxes. 4x the retail price of US is not about taxes. As I said, imported products have roughly 50% tax, of which the 21% VAT is already included.
Companies arbitrarily decide to charge more for certain products, especially in a country with lower standard of livings. Because they think "third world" means a village in the middle of nowhere, with no water or electricity. So whoever has enough money to buy such a trivial product as a "game console" HAS to be rich, because in such an economy, a game console is a luxury item. And everyone knows luxury items are more expensive (such as $300 designer jeans, caviar, smartphones, or game consoles).
I see it more as a matter of underestimation. Most companies only want to invest where they can be sure they will make a profit. Or better said, where they were supposed to make a profit (in case their business plan fails).
I live in one of those economies where companies don't want to invest. Here in Argentina, only recently the XBOX360 has appeared in large retailers, only after Sony took the first step. Microsoft saw that Sony was selling the PS3 so they decided to bring the XBOX. But Sony didn't just decide to sell PS3s because they like challenges. No, they started selling them after online auction sites sold LOTS of PS3s (which they still do), and Nintendo attracted the casual gamer to the Wii.
The problem is, both the 360 and the PS3 are priced at ARS3000, which is almost USD 800. One has to wonder why they can't offer the product as the same price as in USA. In fact, most online auction sites sell the consoles at half price (still making a huge profit). It's just that companies don't want to take risks, or they make wrong assumptions. For example, the console "for the third world" (Zeebo). What's the point of that? There's like 40 games for that piece of crap, why the hell do they even bother to develop that thing?
Another story is what happened here with the Motorola Milestone (USA: Droid). We weren't going to get the update to Android 2.2 because "people here are not ready for that update", this was said by a CEO of Motorola for Argentina. WTF? A few thousands of angry tweets (#motoFAIL) and the Milestone (which goes for about USD 300-500 here, depending on your plan), and Motorola decided to allow Latam to get the upgrade to 2.2. I still don't understand that move. USA had the update, Europe and Asia will get it, but we weren't going to. Why? It's just software, it's already been developed, why don't release it here too?
So you can see why some things you take for granted in the "first world" aren't even heard of here. Not only we get things 2-3 years later, we get them for 4x the price (even high taxes would count for only 2x the price). They get no promotion (I haven't seen any ads for the Milestone on TV), and are sold as luxury items. I think Motorola's plan with the Milestone was trying to force you to get the Milestone 2 (Droid X) because that one will come with Android 2.2 from factory. Me? I wouldn't buy that crap. After motorola tried to fuck me like that, I'm switching to something else. Also, we're starting to get digital TV on air (it began only a couple of months ago, with Brazil's derivative of Japan's ISDB), so I expect some Japanese sets (Brazilian versions) to start showing up here.
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Well, Mexico is a different story because of your Friends from the North. You get a few extra toys to play with, but the rest of Latin America isn't quite like that.
I doubt homes will move to a tiered storage like you mention. Home NAS is expensive (the ones with decent speed, not the crappy 5MB/s ones), and people just don't know how to use them. I'm on Windows and I use Offline Files to a Solaris 4x1TB ZFS system, which takes snapshots every 15 minutes. So I actually have realtime 15-minute incremental backups. But most folks wouldn't know how to set up something like that - or just wouldn't care.
But by the time SSDs become popular, maybe we'll have some more decent connections? Claro/Telmex announced 100Mbit connections for next year here. They didn't give any details (about availability, pricing, or if it's residential or corporate), but the important thing is: if we're discussing 100mbit connections for Latin America then maybe the "cloud" is starting to become a reality.
Hahaha, what a douche. "Third world" countries like mine don't show where the [computer] world is heading, but where it IS. You know something's been "massively adopted" when it's available here. SSDs for example are just expensive toys for early adopters with deep pockets, even in the USA.
OK, wait a second. No, just no. USB came out in 1996, and the iMac in 1998. PCs didn't have USB "for a few years". USB stuff just happened to start coming out because there were enough computers with USB. I remember 1998, pal. I bought a SCSI scanner then, USB scanners were still unheard of, where I live (Argentina) anyway. And even today, it's still hard to find an USB keyboard here. I was surprised that a local computer store had about 10 different PS/2 keyboards and just one USB. Most motherboards still come with PS2 and serial anyway.
Motherboards DON'T have "that damn space" bullshit you said. For the last 15 years it's been built into a single chip (the super IO), and the ATX connector space has lots of space for the legacy ports. And manufacturers. And here's one you might like: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813121388&Tpk=dp55wb
What's next? Ditching Java apps just because Apple deprecated their JVM? EWWWW legacy? deprecated? Sounds to me like OLD. Who wants old stuff in their shiny new computer? Not me, I have a Mac. It's not a computer, it's a lifestyle, a fashion statement.
Try to stay away out of the RDF, buddy.
You must be new here. It's sacrilege to run a non-Apple program on a mac when there is an Apple alternative.
You mean desktop virtualization? Do you need to run 2+ OSes at the same time? That's what virtualization is for. Or do you need to just suspend and restore states? You can get away with hibernation for that. Or do you mean go back in time to a known working configuration? Windows can do that (System Restore), but I don't really see why you would need that on your main machine. If you're trying stuff out, you should try it inside the VM anyway (you use Workstation or VirtualBox for that).
ESX is nice, but it's not what you think. You don't get a local console (last time I checked, anyway), you're supposed to access it from SSH or VNC. It also designed for datacenter stuff (like SAS disks and controllers. It doesn't support IDE for example). You're looking for VMWare Workstation (Paid) or VirtualBox (free for non-commercial use), which are pretty fast. Paravirtualization (ESX or XEN) will give ~98% speed on Linux (on a PV kernel) and Windows only works well if you use GPLPV drivers, otherwise is slow as hell.
I'd just recommemd you stay away from virtualization if you're just a desktop user. Unless you're trying out shareware/malware/stuff that can break your install. If you're upgrading, why not use the old machine to try ESX, XEN and other stuff and figure out yourself how you want to use it? Stick to dual-boot for now.
Keep in mind that when you talk about "Overpricing" in emerging markets, it's way much more than you can imagine. Down here in Argentina a Dell computer is about 3x the price of a generic machine (already assembled by your local computer tech), yet in developed countries the price is similar. An XBOX 360 or PS3 goes for almost USD 800 for the basic version (while it's not over $200 in the USA). And NO, I don't accept the "taxes" excuse. Taxes aren't really that high.
So the point is: companies have been trying to squeeze money out of emerging markets for years, and now they're basically whining because they never sold anything (except maybe to corrupt governments).
It's not that difficult to do: just sell your product at a price that the market can pay (no, this isn't impossible. McDonald's has been doing this for years. A Big Mac doesn't cost the same in every country). But the problem is: companies don't want to go through all the "hassle" needed to sell a product. Look: Microsoft doesn't have "offices" here in Argentina. They have a whole , like IBM, and I'm not sure why, but there is a 30+ story building with a Sun Microsystems logo near these. So if they can invest that much money in a developing country such as mine, why can't they put a little, just a LITTLE effort in selling their products as well?
Why do I have to pay almost 2 months salary for a game machine that any European or American can get for 1/5 of their weekly salary (and even less)? Why does a Windows license cost MORE here than what it costs in the USA? Are you really, absolutely, positively sure that they can't sell a product here for what the market can really pay for? No? Really? Then why does 3D cinema on a saturday night cost $20 (USD 5) here? I know it costs way more than USD 5 in USA. Oh, I know, because people would buy the overseas version of Windows to pay less? Really? Really? Joe Sixpack will order Windows from Argentina (in Spanish for Christ's sake!) to pay less than the american version? Really? Oh so we make a castrated version of Windows, call it Windows Starter and sell it to all the poor bastards that don't deserve to open more than THREE apps at a time.
Really? Really, FUCK Microsoft, Sony, and every other company that doesn't give a fuck about the third world and then comes whining when they are "losing" a "potential" market share. Potential my ass: you won't sell your crap for what you want to charge.
Thank God we have piracy (because open source just doesn't do it sometimes).
USB supplies 100mA 5V, and after negotiation from the USB device and host, and if the host has available power, it can send up to 500mA (in some hosts, like Gigabyte 3x boards this is over 1A). This depends on the controller and drivers - some controllers just send 500mA if available, while others are more zealous and will cut the power if it's over 100mA.
Assuming it's all standard, this guy is getting 30 ports x 100mA => 3A. 3A x 5V = 15W. or if the host is supplying 500mA per port, 75W. I'd like to know then what would be the temperature rise on that hot plate. Any EEs or physicists here that can make this calculation?
OH! I found the solution to contamination too! Don't be so needy of cars and electricity!!!
Cunt.
Got a better idea?
That's a problem with the manufacturer, actually. Most of them just don't care to make drivers for old stuff. Instead they just want you to buy new hardware.
What other reason would you have to change that VGA webcam? Only recently Logitech has started to offer "HD 720p" webcams (one has to wonder why, as most connections out there can't handle a live stream of 720p video at a decent framerate). And even if they do, honestly, other than the perverts at Chatroulette, who the hell uses webcams anyway?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Features_new_to_Windows_7
if you're upgrading from XP, you also get these:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Features_new_to_Windows_Vista
Vista/7 have LOTS of new stuff under the hood. It's not just the eye candy.
OK, I meant a /29. Still a lot of addresses lost.
BTW, point-to-point usually uses PPP (no IPs lost) or cablemodem tricks (make the CPE control link speed and "firewall" the shared media making it look like a point to point, while it's still just ethernet).
GM has addresses to spare... http://whois.arin.net/rest/org/GMC-20/nets
Maybe this explains it. HP has a 16 million addresses for themselves:
http://whois.arin.net/rest/net/NET-15-0-0-0-1
And if that wasn't enough, they also have:
http://whois.arin.net/rest/org/HP/nets
I haven't move to said ISP because of that issue. I talked to the admin there, and he said: yes, we NAT the residential connections, and we do block P2P in those too.
Besides there is another problem. try downloading a file from some hoster like Megaupload, Rapidshare, etc: you just can't. Because someone else has already used the free daily limit.
And the price is the same as the other local ISP, only this one sells crap and the other works relatively good.
/31 for the PtP is ok (ISP-side of the CPE), but you still need a /29 for the client side. And yes, /30 was a confusion, I meant a /29.
Yes, if it uses cablemodem-style allocation. But REAL ISPs (the ones that can route to your own subnet bought from ARIN/LACNIC/RIPE/ETC) have to route it that way.
Yes, all sounds good, until your ISP starts providing you with 1 private IP address for your home, with no way around it. Here in my city 1 of the ISPs does this, you get an address from the 10.0.0.0/8 range. If you need to poke a hole in the firewall for things like IM file transfer or webcam, any kind of P2P, SIP, SSH/remote desktop/vnc into your home machine, etc... guess what? you're out of luck. Change ISPs? Sure, until the other ISPs are forced to do the same. What are we going to do then?
And that's what we're going to get. I simply don't see the point of mentioning NAT as a near-term temporary solution: it ALREADY is doing that. Guess what? Companies don't give their desktops public IPv4 addresses anymore, they haven't done that in several years now, so I don't see what your point is. You're just in denial and being too optimistic.
I wonder why no one mentions v4 addresses are "lost in routing". Take for example an ISP here, they used to give you a full /24 (legacy CLASS C, and let me stop here for a bit: NOT EVERY ASSIGNMENT IN THE NET IS A, B or C. Only script kiddies dreaming of "T3" "pipes" talk about "class C" and "ping of death", get over it! It's 2010 already. OK, back to my point). So they used to give you a /24. For every 256 addresses on a /24, the .0 and .255 are usually not usable, and the .1 is usually the CPE router. But now they don't give out a /24 anymore, unless you specifically state why you need such a large space. So they give out a /30. 8 addresses, again the first and last are unusable, and the first available is the CPE router. 3 out of 8 or 27% of the addresses are lost in routing.
Let me recap: NAT is not the solution, it's already there holding the internet like duct tape.
www.v6.facebook.com (Yes, really. Look what it resolves to :)
Even Internet Explorer 6 on Windows XP supports IPv6. I tried it first in 2003 (maybe 2002).
Try steel wool, works great. I use the Press-N-Peel Blue system for my PCBs, before PnP I clean the copper (mine comes with dull "stuff" to keep it from oxidating) with steel wool until it's shiny and apply the PnP - works fantastic. Someone suggested I use powdered chalk to clean up. Works good, but it's too fine. Makes the Copper way too shiny and the toner won't stick.
Yes. They're also putting COLORS in the water now!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_c6HsiixFS8
Game consoles aren't for the top 10 or 20%. They're supposed to be affordable for middle class.
Imported goods have up to 50% tax. Products "made" in the country (even "assembled" here counts as "made". I doubt we have the technology to produce Motorola Milestones, yet mine says "made in Argentina". "Packing" it here seems to be enough to call it "made" and avoid a few taxes)
"Computer" products, that run with electricity (that is: computer, processors, ram sticks, power supplies- but NOT blank media, cases, mousepads, etc) have 10,5% VAT (They were trying to raise it to 21 but I don't know what happened with that).
Still, this is not about taxes. 4x the retail price of US is not about taxes. As I said, imported products have roughly 50% tax, of which the 21% VAT is already included.
Companies arbitrarily decide to charge more for certain products, especially in a country with lower standard of livings. Because they think "third world" means a village in the middle of nowhere, with no water or electricity. So whoever has enough money to buy such a trivial product as a "game console" HAS to be rich, because in such an economy, a game console is a luxury item. And everyone knows luxury items are more expensive (such as $300 designer jeans, caviar, smartphones, or game consoles).
I see it more as a matter of underestimation. Most companies only want to invest where they can be sure they will make a profit. Or better said, where they were supposed to make a profit (in case their business plan fails).
I live in one of those economies where companies don't want to invest. Here in Argentina, only recently the XBOX360 has appeared in large retailers, only after Sony took the first step. Microsoft saw that Sony was selling the PS3 so they decided to bring the XBOX. But Sony didn't just decide to sell PS3s because they like challenges. No, they started selling them after online auction sites sold LOTS of PS3s (which they still do), and Nintendo attracted the casual gamer to the Wii.
The problem is, both the 360 and the PS3 are priced at ARS3000, which is almost USD 800. One has to wonder why they can't offer the product as the same price as in USA. In fact, most online auction sites sell the consoles at half price (still making a huge profit). It's just that companies don't want to take risks, or they make wrong assumptions. For example, the console "for the third world" (Zeebo). What's the point of that? There's like 40 games for that piece of crap, why the hell do they even bother to develop that thing?
Another story is what happened here with the Motorola Milestone (USA: Droid). We weren't going to get the update to Android 2.2 because "people here are not ready for that update", this was said by a CEO of Motorola for Argentina. WTF? A few thousands of angry tweets (#motoFAIL) and the Milestone (which goes for about USD 300-500 here, depending on your plan), and Motorola decided to allow Latam to get the upgrade to 2.2. I still don't understand that move. USA had the update, Europe and Asia will get it, but we weren't going to. Why? It's just software, it's already been developed, why don't release it here too?
So you can see why some things you take for granted in the "first world" aren't even heard of here. Not only we get things 2-3 years later, we get them for 4x the price (even high taxes would count for only 2x the price). They get no promotion (I haven't seen any ads for the Milestone on TV), and are sold as luxury items. I think Motorola's plan with the Milestone was trying to force you to get the Milestone 2 (Droid X) because that one will come with Android 2.2 from factory. Me? I wouldn't buy that crap. After motorola tried to fuck me like that, I'm switching to something else. Also, we're starting to get digital TV on air (it began only a couple of months ago, with Brazil's derivative of Japan's ISDB), so I expect some Japanese sets (Brazilian versions) to start showing up here.