You are correct, but a lot of the cheep PSUs are the ones with the beefed up 5V rail to make the PSU look bigger.
If the 5770 needs 40A@12V, thats 480W at full load on it's own.... in which case either the reviewer with the power meter messed up, or you are full of shit.... Are you reallying saying that a pair of 5770's at full load(furmark) will suck down 960 Watts? SPCR's (www.silentpcreview.com) review of the 5850 shows it using 132Watts(after correcting for PSU power loss when measuring at the wall), so I'm going with you are full of shit. The 5770 is rated for a max power draw of 108Watts, or right around 10 amps. For 40 amps at 12V you would also need wiring in the neighborhood of 10-14 gauge, or 0.1" to 0.06" in diameter, not including the insulation, which would mean you would need to "derate" your wire some as well. Good luck with that 8 gauge wire in your case.
Sure but it is hard for a 3rd party to use electricity. How do you prevent 4chan from ddos-ing people and wracking up massive bills? How do I ensure that the amount of bandwidth I'm being charged for is being metered correctly? Electric meters are certified and there is a process for having yours checked or replaced.
Correct, but using an MRI machine for non commercial purposes(we are ignoring how much they cost for the moment) is not a commercial use. What if i build a hobby go cart and need a few 100 amp 460V 3 phase connection for my welder, and assorted ventilation gear? There are a large number of reasons one could use power without being commercial.
Also, when you call up the electric company and ask for a 500amp 460V service, they will tell you if they can actually provide that at your location or not. If they say yes, you are damn well able to saturate it 24/7/365 if you want. The electric company never sells "up to 120V 200 amp" service. Imagine the outrage if your electrical service was up to 120V, sometimes throughout the day you may only get 12V, or 45V...
a few problems; 1) Electric companies do not tent to oversell much. 2) Electric usage is metered, most US broadband is not. 3) Fuses, breakers, and other such devices are used to limit current(sustained bandwidth) and voltage(peek bandwidth).
Also there is huge public backlash when electric companies have brownouts(oversell), but only here on slashdot and other technical communities do they care when a broadband internet provider oversells their capacity. To some extent I would be in favor of metered billing, but with electricity there are limited way for a 3rd party to run up your meter. How do you prevent a 3rd party(say in Russia) from sending you packets and running up your bandwidth? Do we have a good government/3rd party certified bandwidth meter?
Metered bandwidth would make a number of emerging technologies DOA basically, netflix, hulu, Blizzards use of bittorrent to deliver patches. Even linux in general would suffer some, with there being a cost to downloading Ubuntu.
1) Remote friendly. There is no reason that it couldn't be run on my "normal" computer anyways. 2) Pre installed on a toaster like device. Again no reason that I or someone couldn't offer something similar running on x86 with win7, flash 10.1 and such already to go. 3) TV specific search. Now this one is done by other places like Netflix.
So other than it is "plug and play" I'm not seeing much difference. I guess my point is there is very little difference technically between the GTV and a PC running chrome...
No I meant that I would would be willing to pay more if I could make sure it went to thing I think are important. Not for bottled water for the interns at the state building, but for tangible benefits for my family, my neighbors, my community and I. A short list; better roads, faster snow plowing, working mass transit, even things like rehabilitation, and drug treatment programs.
Paying $300 into the general pool is not what I want to do. As that pool goes to things I think are being mis managed. The copier, lunches, golf games, etc, and I want to build out infrastructure for public use. If I had the money to do the whole project myself I probably would, but I don't.
what fbi warning??? they still have those? almost every dvd* that come into the house, gets the longest track ripped and encoded to h264....
I don't rip disks from the library, or netflix as I don't own those, but i might be able to make an argument for ripping the ones from the library, as my taxes bought them for me to watch.
They lost my eyeballs about 4 years ago, because I was a poor college kid at the time. Now that I could get cable or something I don't. I can't start up any show when i want like netflix, cable still has commercials, even after I would pay them ~80/month for the service(streaming only netflix is like $10/month btw with no commercials).
Free internet TV with ads? sure sign me up, even track my via a cooking for only your site, and let me rate your ads so you can show me the ones that I'm most likely to care about. Then offer me a $10/month or something to get rid of the ads and I might just pay you for that, if I can watch everything on my 37" 1080p computer monitor in the living room.
So, what if i connect my computer to that 37" computer monitor with HDTV tuner, that is in my living room?
Mind you where i'm at i get one blocky HDTV channel, and do not have cable. I'm part of that 2% of netflix users using 20% of the US internets bandwidth.
I'm failing to see how a pc hooked to my TV is different than the googleTV computer hooked to my tv? Care to explain that to me? The googleTV box uses crome as it's browser and has flash 10.1 as well. Just like my computer...
I wasn't saying a media center needed a pile of bus speed, simply if i want netflix i have to run windows, which means x86, low powered and cheap and that means atom (yes i know about via, and they are lower power than atom, but are more expensive, cap-ex wise).
So if I want my atom to do 1080P high bitrate high profile level 5 h264@24fps I need either the mini-pcie broadcom card, or a nvidia gpu... Maybe the hd4500 can do otherwise, but not the last time i looked, nor could the low powered AMD gpus. So no pcie would just about mean the death of the atom platform outside of very lowend "netbooks".
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ARM CPUs cannot run windows 7(full not embeded) and cannot run silverlight so no media center box for netflix...
You are correct, but a lot of the cheep PSUs are the ones with the beefed up 5V rail to make the PSU look bigger.
If the 5770 needs 40A@12V, thats 480W at full load on it's own.... in which case either the reviewer with the power meter messed up, or you are full of shit.... Are you reallying saying that a pair of 5770's at full load(furmark) will suck down 960 Watts? SPCR's (www.silentpcreview.com) review of the 5850 shows it using 132Watts(after correcting for PSU power loss when measuring at the wall), so I'm going with you are full of shit. The 5770 is rated for a max power draw of 108Watts, or right around 10 amps. For 40 amps at 12V you would also need wiring in the neighborhood of 10-14 gauge, or 0.1" to 0.06" in diameter, not including the insulation, which would mean you would need to "derate" your wire some as well. Good luck with that 8 gauge wire in your case.
You missed tessalation that both OpenGL and DX11 offer... Go run the newest Ungine benchmark and watch your card cry....
how about rendering a video of your assembly in action? or the "photo realistic" options in proE/solidworks?
so what if i modify bittorrent to look like VOIP? Or simply encrypt all the data i send or receive?
Sure but it is hard for a 3rd party to use electricity. How do you prevent 4chan from ddos-ing people and wracking up massive bills? How do I ensure that the amount of bandwidth I'm being charged for is being metered correctly? Electric meters are certified and there is a process for having yours checked or replaced.
Correct, but using an MRI machine for non commercial purposes(we are ignoring how much they cost for the moment) is not a commercial use. What if i build a hobby go cart and need a few 100 amp 460V 3 phase connection for my welder, and assorted ventilation gear? There are a large number of reasons one could use power without being commercial.
Also, when you call up the electric company and ask for a 500amp 460V service, they will tell you if they can actually provide that at your location or not. If they say yes, you are damn well able to saturate it 24/7/365 if you want. The electric company never sells "up to 120V 200 amp" service. Imagine the outrage if your electrical service was up to 120V, sometimes throughout the day you may only get 12V, or 45V...
a few problems;
1) Electric companies do not tent to oversell much.
2) Electric usage is metered, most US broadband is not.
3) Fuses, breakers, and other such devices are used to limit current(sustained bandwidth) and voltage(peek bandwidth).
Also there is huge public backlash when electric companies have brownouts(oversell), but only here on slashdot and other technical communities do they care when a broadband internet provider oversells their capacity. To some extent I would be in favor of metered billing, but with electricity there are limited way for a 3rd party to run up your meter. How do you prevent a 3rd party(say in Russia) from sending you packets and running up your bandwidth? Do we have a good government/3rd party certified bandwidth meter?
Metered bandwidth would make a number of emerging technologies DOA basically, netflix, hulu, Blizzards use of bittorrent to deliver patches. Even linux in general would suffer some, with there being a cost to downloading Ubuntu.
but you can make use of copyrighted content for parody... isn't that what lamebook is?
1) Remote friendly. There is no reason that it couldn't be run on my "normal" computer anyways.
2) Pre installed on a toaster like device. Again no reason that I or someone couldn't offer something similar running on x86 with win7, flash 10.1 and such already to go.
3) TV specific search. Now this one is done by other places like Netflix.
So other than it is "plug and play" I'm not seeing much difference. I guess my point is there is very little difference technically between the GTV and a PC running chrome...
Isn't just about everyone then "on the receiving end of that money" then?
No I meant that I would would be willing to pay more if I could make sure it went to thing I think are important. Not for bottled water for the interns at the state building, but for tangible benefits for my family, my neighbors, my community and I. A short list; better roads, faster snow plowing, working mass transit, even things like rehabilitation, and drug treatment programs.
Paying $300 into the general pool is not what I want to do. As that pool goes to things I think are being mis managed. The copier, lunches, golf games, etc, and I want to build out infrastructure for public use. If I had the money to do the whole project myself I probably would, but I don't.
not that search index, just the one that the googleTV gets for videos...
Doesn't the googleTV use an ARM cpu? making getting flash on it dependent on adobe...
Can I proxy the flash request though squid and rewrite the agent? or does it use some "secret" method for communicating?
what fbi warning??? they still have those? almost every dvd* that come into the house, gets the longest track ripped and encoded to h264....
I don't rip disks from the library, or netflix as I don't own those, but i might be able to make an argument for ripping the ones from the library, as my taxes bought them for me to watch.
They lost my eyeballs about 4 years ago, because I was a poor college kid at the time.
Now that I could get cable or something I don't. I can't start up any show when i want like netflix, cable still has commercials, even after I would pay them ~80/month for the service(streaming only netflix is like $10/month btw with no commercials).
Free internet TV with ads? sure sign me up, even track my via a cooking for only your site, and let me rate your ads so you can show me the ones that I'm most likely to care about. Then offer me a $10/month or something to get rid of the ads and I might just pay you for that, if I can watch everything on my 37" 1080p computer monitor in the living room.
explain to me the differeance between a mini-itx atom running windows 7 hooked up to my TV and the googleTV(arm? and linux?) hooked up to my TV.
Both are computers, both have an OS, both use chrome, both have flash 10.1, both are hooked up to my TV.
So, what if i connect my computer to that 37" computer monitor with HDTV tuner, that is in my living room?
Mind you where i'm at i get one blocky HDTV channel, and do not have cable. I'm part of that 2% of netflix users using 20% of the US internets bandwidth.
I'm failing to see how a pc hooked to my TV is different than the googleTV computer hooked to my tv? Care to explain that to me? The googleTV box uses crome as it's browser and has flash 10.1 as well. Just like my computer...
Get a lighton drive and set it to be an RPC 1 drive. Then libdvdcss will just crack the disks on cpu, and ignore region coding.
or gift it to a friend, or let my kid take it to college, or... any number of other things i may do with a physical book involving lending.
+10000000 internets for you, this is the best description of what is going on yet.
+5 informative as well mods...
That loop was not in the video linked in the summery.
An atom with a raid card makes a great SOHO NAS... with enough grunt to even handle a bit more than just NAS if it has too.
I wasn't saying a media center needed a pile of bus speed, simply if i want netflix i have to run windows, which means x86, low powered and cheap and that means atom (yes i know about via, and they are lower power than atom, but are more expensive, cap-ex wise).
So if I want my atom to do 1080P high bitrate high profile level 5 h264@24fps I need either the mini-pcie broadcom card, or a nvidia gpu... Maybe the hd4500 can do otherwise, but not the last time i looked, nor could the low powered AMD gpus. So no pcie would just about mean the death of the atom platform outside of very lowend "netbooks".