No, Troll != AC, and AC != Troll. There are *VERY* good reasons for the creation of AC; good enough for the/. crew.
If you can't focus on the content, then tough; your choice, your loss.
As for the main discussion: I use IE. Why? Because I use WinME. Why? Because I play games. Because I use WinME, to me, using IE makes sense. The OS and the browser are made by the same company, and embedded in the same software. Ergo, it stands to reason that they work better together. While it isn't nice that MS does this, and eventually the Good Pure Open Source/FSF/whatever will trounce the Evil MS and tra-la-la everything will be godly and great, it's probably done. Until it is undone, it is the best to use IE when using WinXX. Questions? None? Good.
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Well said, sir!
I can't say you've completely convinced me, but those are some valid points.
Yes, totatly agree, and I claim to think Katz isn't that terribly awful.
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Ah, the question of money. One question back at you: how would the touch screen/electronic system fare, cost-wise, compared with the paper method, over the course of a couple of elections?
One more question: to make the democratic process in this republic more fair and easier to use, is cost really an issue? Should there be a price tag on the democratic system?
Good point, but define "gratuitously difficult", please? Would just giving up the IP addresses, be difficult? I will assume the hex representations would be "gratuitously difficult", but IP? I wouldn't think so; I mean, they *are* the basis of Internet, and should be perfectly acceptable.
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And, we have a WINNER! Exactly was I was thinking! 300 or so votes seperate the race in Florida; how much do you think Gore would be willing to pay, per vote, to win Florida? $1 000 a vote? $10 000? $100 000?
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No, my understanding of cryptography is very limited. I would say, offhand, that I have about a little more knowledge on the topic as, oh I don't know, say, the managers in charge of implementing this crazy scheme (ha ha, only serious).
>Only an idiot would give
You mean, like a civil servant?:)
And while I can't argue with your math (it sounds good to me), social engineering is still a problem.
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1) Given a identifying password
Just means I can go to X computers, and type X different passwords, and vote. Guess passwords would not be very hard; either they would be like a CD-Key/serial-number, and be generated, or they would even be simpler to guess:
2) As well, because the mail-delivered passwords are the only identifying feature, they could be bought, sold, traded, etc. Maybe not by me, but what if you are low-income, no HMO, little daughter is sick, etc. How much is the going price for a vote?
3) After voting electronically, going to a voting station, and saying, "I lost my password, ring me in!".
The best way would be the electronic touch-screens at the voting booths. That way, you don't need even to be literate to vote, just touch the picture of the candidate, and voila - you're too stupid to read, but now you have voted in an election. Voting still has to be done at a voting booth regardless of the electronic security you could put together, simply because of the ease of social engineering attacks.
"a record without revealing confidential information, such as an individual student's name, user name or password"
So, only the internet addresses (whether they be DNS or IP addresses) were given, not userids, passwords, or, most importantly, real names.
Unless, of course, the script produces also the client IP of each computer and the time of request, and the parent has some way/document of matching J. Random Student to J. Random Computer at a given time. Unless he has these three pieces of information, that information he received is not very useful in regards to tracking students.
If I were that school, this is how I would give him the data: I would give him a list of only each place the student, by IP address only. Thus, he would have a huge listing of:
143.23.145.165
135.204.65.1
208.123.5.143
etc, etc. It's that the bare minimum they have to comply? Or, even better, hex encode it, and give it to him as:
1A.0B.AA.F8
5B.CA.64.03
etc, etc. I mean, that is a completely valid method of writing IP addresses down.
I mean, true, now the school *has* to comply. Doesn't mean that they have to make it easy.
No problem about the nit picking; actually, thank you for being polite about it. Besides, Toronto is a city that should be burned to the ground every 50 or so years anyways, just for good measure (ha ha, only kidding).
As for the rest, it's not just in Ontario; please remember universal health care was created by Blakeny's NDP party in Saskatchewan in the '50s. The public transportation in Ottawa is the best I have ever seen; the person who figured it out has my respect. The ones in Winnipeg and Regina are marginally better than walking, however.
Yes, don't own your own business, good call. What's turn over for small business, isn't it something horrible, like 75% failure rate with 2 years? And GST and PST are horrible, in Saskatchewan, your looking 14-16% sales tax, compared to the State tax of 8.25% in Illinois.
As for city scenery, actually, I would say the prettiest city I have lived in is suburbia Chicago; narrowly beating out Ottawa. Regina isn't that bad, but of what I saw about Winnipeg, I would rather never live there again.
Actually, the "best place to live" isn't just propaganda; the UN routinely places Canada in the top 1-3 countries to live in. I am trying to find this on the website at www.un.org ; but am having problems locating it. Admittedly, the process to determine "the best place to live" may have flaws, but it is the most objective indicator that we have.
As for being a separatist, I can't agree with your opinion (am an evil federalist), but I don't wish to argue it with you. I will ask you to look at previous examples of separations (the Slovekia withdrawth from the Czech Republic, with ended up with the economic colapse of Slovekia), and take a good, hard look at the ramifications of separation (IE: the clothing industry in inner Montreal will crumble without the outrageous Canadian import tariffs that protect it from cheaper, better quality clothes from Europe and the US) before making your mind up.
One last questions, though. If you separate, what will you rename the Montreal Canadiens? The Nordiques (snicker snicker)?;)
>For people who in European terms are on the Left,
>the difference between Gush and Bore is
>vanishingly small
And in Canada, too; our left-wing party generally walks off with 18% of the vote and several seats in Parliament.
>There's no reason to believe
>that the people who voted for Nader would have
>voted for Gore if Nader hadn't stood
Yes, there is, actually. The exit polls from CNN say that 60-70% of Nader's voters would have voted Gore had Nader been absent. 25% would not have voted at all, and the rest would have voted Bush.
As for "tacital voting", one poster said this:
In a landslide state, he would vote Nader so Nader gets the 5% needed for federal funded.
In a "up for grabs" state, he would vote Gore because Gore is the lesser of the two Prime Evils.
Canada is an independant country, and as such, the UK wouldn't attack on the ground that the US is attacking the UK.
However, because the US and Canada are allies, and very close allies, *if* the US attacked, it would destroy American credibility internationally. I mean, if you beat up your best friend, how would other people treat/trust you?
As well, I would imagine if the US attacked, a UK-led UN force would probably either attack the US militarially, or economically embargo the US, which would probably hurt them.
Thanks for the link! It was very useful; it really helped point out the ramifications between the candidates.
The one thing it didn't state is that if Gore is elected, it would make the brain drain easier because of the Democrats traditional support of immigration; see President Clinton's new H-1B bill that was just passed: 80 000 new licenses for immigrants to come on in, as well as loosening up the paperwork and restrictions that those immigrants (I, myself, am on TN Visa status, hoping to upgrade to H-1B).
But thanks for the link again; moderators, please mod up the above (parent, one level up) statement.
>Finally, if Canadians are fed up with with
>steerage class, then they should trade UP and
>become AMERICANS....
Trade *UP*? *UP*? Let me think ab...NO.
First off, I am proud to be Canadian. I like being a Canadian; you might even call me "patriotic".
Second of all, trade *up*? Why, so I can live a backwards country in which some states prohibit the teaching of *evolution*?
"Trade up" from a true democracy to a mere republic?
Where most *patriots* can't even remember the names of all 50 states, their general location in their own country, or the state capitals, much less any *foreign* geography? Like, uh, the capital city of, say, Canada?
Where 50% of all high school graduate don't know their own capital was burnt to the ground in 1812 (by troops that were British, and stationed in Canada, I might add)?
Where your own countrymen have to put a foreign (Canadian) flag on their backpacks in foreign countries so they are treated as human beings?
From a country that is *consistently* rated as the best place in the world to live to a country that may or may not make the top ten?
Puh-leaze. While I may agree with you about the Nader vote (25% of Nader voters in Florida would not have voted at all), you must seriously be joking about "trading up" to become an American. The main reason I am here is make a shitload of (American) money so I can skip the border home and retire in wealth and luxury. But, though greedy (and how!), I am *still* Canadian.
I know; Nader took 100 000 of the Florida vote! That vote could have been Gore's and this whole thing would be over with Gore for President! I was seething when I went to bed last night, after reading that Bush won Florida last night at about 1:30.
The plain goofy thing about this is that I am Canadian, but live/work/breathe in the States. The one thing I wish to say to the rest of my countrymen is that this *should* matter to you. Being a Canadian during an American election is like being steerage passengers on a boat; if the American ship makes it, great. If not, tough, we are so connected with the USA that we go down with them. Either way, there isn't a damn thing we can do to affect the outcome, despite the fact that the outcome with affect us.
And to me, Bush for President means that this time, all Canadians are riding steerage class in a great ship; the Titanic.
I would doubt very much that tortillas conduct electricity. Induced capacitance, yes, of course; but not conduct electricity. To conduct electricity, you need either free-flowing electrons or ions - the base constituents of a tortilla has neither.
My worries here would be heat retention and environmental conditions. Quick, what is the ignition temperature of an tortilla? (European or American? hahahaha). Will prolonged exposure to 5 volts ignite the tortilla? How long would a tortilla last in a very moist environment before failure? Since he is using the tortilla for outdoor usage, what precautions did he take to keep the tortilla safe from rain and from hungry creatures?
> the gas should probably behave in some
> interesting ways
Like a cosmic wind that literally blows the Earth off course?
The shocks would be very interesting; I am assuming you mean the earth being hit with what would amount to a cosmic wind gust.
I understand your points, and how this could be devastating, but is the density of the ISM really that powerful? Granted that all of the arguements you have put forth are based on the density of the ISM being sufficient, but, in your opinion, do you think the ISM is that dense. I would not, at least, for *most* of the effects.
"it's a little sketchy" - Yes, but brilliant, nonetheless?
Thanks for the response! You are making me think; which, outside of comments in this article, is something that no-one else today can claim today.
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No, Troll != AC, and AC != Troll. There are *VERY* good reasons for the creation of AC; good enough for the /. crew.
If you can't focus on the content, then tough; your choice, your loss.
As for the main discussion: I use IE. Why? Because I use WinME. Why? Because I play games. Because I use WinME, to me, using IE makes sense. The OS and the browser are made by the same company, and embedded in the same software. Ergo, it stands to reason that they work better together. While it isn't nice that MS does this, and eventually the Good Pure Open Source/FSF/whatever will trounce the Evil MS and tra-la-la everything will be godly and great, it's probably done. Until it is undone, it is the best to use IE when using WinXX. Questions? None? Good.
Well said, sir!
I can't say you've completely convinced me, but those are some valid points.
Yes, totatly agree, and I claim to think Katz isn't that terribly awful.
Ah, the question of money. One question back at you: how would the touch screen/electronic system fare, cost-wise, compared with the paper method, over the course of a couple of elections?
One more question: to make the democratic process in this republic more fair and easier to use, is cost really an issue? Should there be a price tag on the democratic system?
Compare the ease to getting an absentee ballot to the above system. Good point, though.
>maybe you'd also store an IP of where the vote
>came from to prosecute fraud or whatever.
And that would last for exactly 3.4 seconds after someone states: "Hey, that's preventing from having a *secret* ballot!"
They would be the uncertainity that the government would be tracking your vote; a little uncertainity, I admit, but only a little is needed...
Exactly what I was thinking when I started this thread.
Good point, but define "gratuitously difficult", please? Would just giving up the IP addresses, be difficult? I will assume the hex representations would be "gratuitously difficult", but IP? I wouldn't think so; I mean, they *are* the basis of Internet, and should be perfectly acceptable.
And, we have a WINNER! Exactly was I was thinking! 300 or so votes seperate the race in Florida; how much do you think Gore would be willing to pay, per vote, to win Florida? $1 000 a vote? $10 000? $100 000?
No, my understanding of cryptography is very limited. I would say, offhand, that I have about a little more knowledge on the topic as, oh I don't know, say, the managers in charge of implementing this crazy scheme (ha ha, only serious).
:)
>Only an idiot would give
You mean, like a civil servant?
And while I can't argue with your math (it sounds good to me), social engineering is still a problem.
1) Given a identifying password
Just means I can go to X computers, and type X different passwords, and vote. Guess passwords would not be very hard; either they would be like a CD-Key/serial-number, and be generated, or they would even be simpler to guess:
Adams, Doug: abcdefg
Adams, Dougie: abcdegh
Adams, Douglas: abcdefi
2) As well, because the mail-delivered passwords are the only identifying feature, they could be bought, sold, traded, etc. Maybe not by me, but what if you are low-income, no HMO, little daughter is sick, etc. How much is the going price for a vote?
3) After voting electronically, going to a voting station, and saying, "I lost my password, ring me in!".
The best way would be the electronic touch-screens at the voting booths. That way, you don't need even to be literate to vote, just touch the picture of the candidate, and voila - you're too stupid to read, but now you have voted in an election. Voting still has to be done at a voting booth regardless of the electronic security you could put together, simply because of the ease of social engineering attacks.
Not only that but from reading the article:
"a record without revealing confidential information, such as an individual student's name, user name or password"
So, only the internet addresses (whether they be DNS or IP addresses) were given, not userids, passwords, or, most importantly, real names.
Unless, of course, the script produces also the client IP of each computer and the time of request, and the parent has some way/document of matching J. Random Student to J. Random Computer at a given time. Unless he has these three pieces of information, that information he received is not very useful in regards to tracking students.
If I were that school, this is how I would give him the data: I would give him a list of only each place the student, by IP address only. Thus, he would have a huge listing of:
143.23.145.165
135.204.65.1
208.123.5.143
etc, etc. It's that the bare minimum they have to comply? Or, even better, hex encode it, and give it to him as:
1A.0B.AA.F8
5B.CA.64.03
etc, etc. I mean, that is a completely valid method of writing IP addresses down.
I mean, true, now the school *has* to comply. Doesn't mean that they have to make it easy.
No problem about the nit picking; actually, thank you for being polite about it. Besides, Toronto is a city that should be burned to the ground every 50 or so years anyways, just for good measure (ha ha, only kidding).
As for the rest, it's not just in Ontario; please remember universal health care was created by Blakeny's NDP party in Saskatchewan in the '50s. The public transportation in Ottawa is the best I have ever seen; the person who figured it out has my respect. The ones in Winnipeg and Regina are marginally better than walking, however.
Yes, don't own your own business, good call. What's turn over for small business, isn't it something horrible, like 75% failure rate with 2 years? And GST and PST are horrible, in Saskatchewan, your looking 14-16% sales tax, compared to the State tax of 8.25% in Illinois.
As for city scenery, actually, I would say the prettiest city I have lived in is suburbia Chicago; narrowly beating out Ottawa. Regina isn't that bad, but of what I saw about Winnipeg, I would rather never live there again.
Actually, the "best place to live" isn't just propaganda; the UN routinely places Canada in the top 1-3 countries to live in. I am trying to find this on the website at www.un.org ; but am having problems locating it. Admittedly, the process to determine "the best place to live" may have flaws, but it is the most objective indicator that we have.
;)
As for being a separatist, I can't agree with your opinion (am an evil federalist), but I don't wish to argue it with you. I will ask you to look at previous examples of separations (the Slovekia withdrawth from the Czech Republic, with ended up with the economic colapse of Slovekia), and take a good, hard look at the ramifications of separation (IE: the clothing industry in inner Montreal will crumble without the outrageous Canadian import tariffs that protect it from cheaper, better quality clothes from Europe and the US) before making your mind up.
One last questions, though. If you separate, what will you rename the Montreal Canadiens? The Nordiques (snicker snicker)?
>I'm Scots so it's nothing to do with me
Until USA foreign policy is stated, you mean?
>For people who in European terms are on the Left,
>the difference between Gush and Bore is
>vanishingly small
And in Canada, too; our left-wing party generally walks off with 18% of the vote and several seats in Parliament.
>There's no reason to believe
>that the people who voted for Nader would have
>voted for Gore if Nader hadn't stood
Yes, there is, actually. The exit polls from CNN say that 60-70% of Nader's voters would have voted Gore had Nader been absent. 25% would not have voted at all, and the rest would have voted Bush.
As for "tacital voting", one poster said this:
In a landslide state, he would vote Nader so Nader gets the 5% needed for federal funded.
In a "up for grabs" state, he would vote Gore because Gore is the lesser of the two Prime Evils.
Canada is an independant country, and as such, the UK wouldn't attack on the ground that the US is attacking the UK.
However, because the US and Canada are allies, and very close allies, *if* the US attacked, it would destroy American credibility internationally. I mean, if you beat up your best friend, how would other people treat/trust you?
As well, I would imagine if the US attacked, a UK-led UN force would probably either attack the US militarially, or economically embargo the US, which would probably hurt them.
This is just a simple view of the situation.
Thanks for the link! It was very useful; it really helped point out the ramifications between the candidates.
The one thing it didn't state is that if Gore is elected, it would make the brain drain easier because of the Democrats traditional support of immigration; see President Clinton's new H-1B bill that was just passed: 80 000 new licenses for immigrants to come on in, as well as loosening up the paperwork and restrictions that those immigrants (I, myself, am on TN Visa status, hoping to upgrade to H-1B).
But thanks for the link again; moderators, please mod up the above (parent, one level up) statement.
>Finally, if Canadians are fed up with with
>steerage class, then they should trade UP and
>become AMERICANS....
Trade *UP*? *UP*? Let me think ab...NO.
First off, I am proud to be Canadian. I like being a Canadian; you might even call me "patriotic".
Second of all, trade *up*? Why, so I can live a backwards country in which some states prohibit the teaching of *evolution*?
"Trade up" from a true democracy to a mere republic?
Where most *patriots* can't even remember the names of all 50 states, their general location in their own country, or the state capitals, much less any *foreign* geography? Like, uh, the capital city of, say, Canada?
Where 50% of all high school graduate don't know their own capital was burnt to the ground in 1812 (by troops that were British, and stationed in Canada, I might add)?
Where your own countrymen have to put a foreign (Canadian) flag on their backpacks in foreign countries so they are treated as human beings?
From a country that is *consistently* rated as the best place in the world to live to a country that may or may not make the top ten?
Puh-leaze. While I may agree with you about the Nader vote (25% of Nader voters in Florida would not have voted at all), you must seriously be joking about "trading up" to become an American. The main reason I am here is make a shitload of (American) money so I can skip the border home and retire in wealth and luxury. But, though greedy (and how!), I am *still* Canadian.
I know; Nader took 100 000 of the Florida vote! That vote could have been Gore's and this whole thing would be over with Gore for President! I was seething when I went to bed last night, after reading that Bush won Florida last night at about 1:30.
The plain goofy thing about this is that I am Canadian, but live/work/breathe in the States. The one thing I wish to say to the rest of my countrymen is that this *should* matter to you. Being a Canadian during an American election is like being steerage passengers on a boat; if the American ship makes it, great. If not, tough, we are so connected with the USA that we go down with them. Either way, there isn't a damn thing we can do to affect the outcome, despite the fact that the outcome with affect us.
And to me, Bush for President means that this time, all Canadians are riding steerage class in a great ship; the Titanic.
So, this song isn't breaking the Cmdr Taco or "This Land Is Your Land" parodies because of Fair Use, right?
Nice try, but I guess you are forgetting the DeCSS affair. How many *hundreds* of sites had that code up? Now where are they?
Thanks for the defense! I do plan to live here, and eventual get citizenship...but as for now...c'est la vie.
No, actually, in Canada, I bought Mandrake 7.0 at WalMart, for university project.
I would doubt very much that tortillas conduct electricity. Induced capacitance, yes, of course; but not conduct electricity. To conduct electricity, you need either free-flowing electrons or ions - the base constituents of a tortilla has neither.
My worries here would be heat retention and environmental conditions. Quick, what is the ignition temperature of an tortilla? (European or American? hahahaha). Will prolonged exposure to 5 volts ignite the tortilla? How long would a tortilla last in a very moist environment before failure? Since he is using the tortilla for outdoor usage, what precautions did he take to keep the tortilla safe from rain and from hungry creatures?
> the gas should probably behave in some
> interesting ways
Like a cosmic wind that literally blows the Earth off course?
The shocks would be very interesting; I am assuming you mean the earth being hit with what would amount to a cosmic wind gust.
I understand your points, and how this could be devastating, but is the density of the ISM really that powerful? Granted that all of the arguements you have put forth are based on the density of the ISM being sufficient, but, in your opinion, do you think the ISM is that dense. I would not, at least, for *most* of the effects.
"it's a little sketchy" - Yes, but brilliant, nonetheless?
Thanks for the response! You are making me think; which, outside of comments in this article, is something that no-one else today can claim today.