You called me an idiot, while you are staring right into the problems face and being totally blind about it.
You think he's wrong despite what he says. I suspect strongly that you haven't even read it deeply.
Once the government guarantees that it will pay, the incentives to keep prices at what the market can bear disappear.
If that is true, then why is health care so much cheaper everywhere else in the world - where the government really does guarantee to pay?
Government provides a gigantic moral hazard, you are looking at it and completely not seeing it.
What an awesome argument! Way to go brains! Did it ever occur to you that what you think you can "see" is just the play of neurones? It's not actually real.
If the government is such a huge moral hazard, then perhaps you should go live some place without a government - say like Somalia. No government there. Just pure economics. Paradise!
You buy civilisation with taxes,and that must be administered by government. Far from being a moral hazard, the collective spending and government administration is the basis of a functioning economy. It really is a question of what qualifies as efficient and worthwhile.
If private industry cannot do better than a government institution, then why prop up an inefficient private solution? That is precisely why we have public fire fighters.
Or is that a big moral hazard as well??
No wonder you immediately start with an ad-hominem, you have no intelligence to do otherwise.
Most places I've worked the managers were once doing the job they are now managing.
This is true, but people aren't promoted because they know how to program. Last IT shop I worked at, the most skilled manager didn't understand that DLLs were loaded with the program. The previous guy couldn't grok what encoding was all about, and used & through trial and error.
A famous book from the 80s, "Peoplesoft" talks about some of the insane chronic disconnects between management and developers, and these same problems persist 30 years later. In particular, programmers are in a market for lemons, and HR/management are almost always too stunned to discern the wheat from the chaff.
Consider the following (simple) hiring procedure:
Applicant sits a multiple-choice exam about programming
Those who do well spend 10 mins talking to two or more of the senior developers. So that you can't fake not-knowing what you're talking about
Those who pass this test continue on to talk to the manager/HR person - to work out if they'll fit in.
How simple it would be.
Yet somehow management is confused about how to hire good help.
Unlike the pure, upstanding people from every other country on earth, who would never dream of doing such things? It's not just Americans who suck, it's people in general.
Shooting Reuters reporters and a van of civilians is a secret that should be kept now?
Damn straight! We should be able to keep anything secret that makes us look bad. We are, after all, totally awesome and in the right about everything. And it's all just lies and spin anyway. Why do you hate america? What's wrong with you?
(just trying to see things from the others' perspective.)
lol, just because they showed doesn't mean that they acknowledge jurisdiction.
The spamhaus guys probably showed up to see what was going on - maybe to see what the "threat" was, or maybe just because they thought it was the right thing to do. And then figured they'd do something more useful with their time.
Also, I might add, I have noticed that many people from the USA have difficulty understanding the notion of others' sovereignty. And jurisdiction falls squarely under sovereignty.
So then, if you believe the lie then the polygraph will fail. Good to know. btw, there are a lot of people who would slip past a polygraph if that is the case.
And you know what? People want to be lied to. They don't want to hear the truth
If only it were not true. I just saw an interview with Darren Brown, and he was saying how upset people get with him when he points out a charlatan psyhic. I mean, wtf?.
It seems that the bush administration correctly gauged that they could break the law, and with sufficient media manipulation, hard-core republicans would keep justice at bay. Those hard-core republicans have their head so suck up their ass, that they cannot even digest what happened. And, apparently, having a head suck there is a comfortable place, so long as you only watch Fox.
Treason is lying to the american public about WMDs. Perhaps you don't think the boss can commit treason. But the public is meant to be the boss - and they were lied too, and money was laundered, lives were lost and countless suffered.
We've all been painted with the brush of religion because some Scientists forgot their place and their core principles in pursuit of Being Right(tm).
We've been painted with the brush of religion because market research shows the people are more comfortable talking about people's motives than they are about the actual issues. That was probably determined very scientifically.
None of us people who actually create things and do the work wanted to see software patents become a reality. But the businessmen and lawyers have had their way with us. Now we just have to do all the extra work to create working computer systems, while a few individuals go laughing to the bank.
More than anything else, I think the H.264 nonsense demonstrates the lock-down that will mark a new era of the software industry.
You are *so* wrong with your numbers. Twin studies show a 50% concordance rate (Bailey & Pillard, 1991). That's just the genetic component. Then there are developmental components that affect the fetus.
Prenatal factors have also been implicated in the development of sexual orientation. For example, fetal exposure to high levels of androgens or estrogens show modest correlations to bisexual or homosexual orientation in women (Hyde et al., 2009; Meyer-Bahlburg, Dolezal, Baker, & New, 2008). A mother’s antibodies may also destroy important chemical messengers produced by the Y chromosome, which are involved in the sexual differentiation of male fetuses (Hyde et al., 2009). This is thought to account for the fraternal birth order effect, a cross-cultural phenomenon where having older brothers increases the likelihood of homosexuality in right-handed males (Blanchard, & Lippa, 2006; Hyde et al., 2009). Interestingly, despite the fraternal birth order effect, both male and female LGBs are more likely to be non-right-handed (Hyde et al., 2009).
And then society gets to LGBs and tries to make them straight. From infancy, mothers inculcate heteronormativity. But people still grow up with different sexual orientations.
If anyone wants citations, I can look them up. Just respond to this post and I'll get back to you.
Empirical evidence suggests a very strong biological component to sexual orientation. Gay, Bi, Straight, Transgender - is innate. Then society attempts to shame these people out of being themselves. But the shame really belongs to you.
It just isn't a good Slashdot discussion without the old appeal to authority fallacy.
Although the GP made an appeal to authority, that authority/did/ make an argument that itself is not fallacious. You have circumvented Knuth's argument by focusing on the appeal aspect, but not on the arguments of the authority.
So instead of responding to one fallacy with another, perhaps it would be instructive to demonstrate why Knuth is wrong.
Exactly why do you think you know better than Knuth? What is your response to Knuth's arguments that demonstrate that you know better?
The last thing on your mind will be the price of an Oracle license.
Pity that you really don't get that many more useful features that are applicable for the 95% of people who use oracle just because.
It doesn't matter if you use oracle or if you use free software if your developers don't really understand programming theory because they just aren't that interested in computer programming but got a degree in it anyway.
But you go ahead, keep pretending you have some sort of clue and are witty by pointing out its expensive.
I am sure you do wonderful things with oracle that you cannot do with free software. Good for you.
However, I believe that most development shops could save a bundle of money by properly training and mentoring their staff. Big business can look a lot like the public service, in which case, an oracle license is just a par for the course, but hardly necessary.
That is spot on what happened at my work place. The boss looked at me like I was mad, to suggest that we try other browsers or get a Mac to test -- since there was no "business case". So we made crap, our customers bought crap, and people use our crap on the internet.
Sure, those conditions and that money is probably a BIG STEP UP over how many were living
That is pure conjecture. Chinese factory work is institutionalized exploitation of a vast underclass. Most of these people would have been better off as farmers building their own local economies.
Never miss the power of the mind to delude itself. From an average Chinese citizen's point of view, Google will definitely be the bad guy. After-all, we are western hypocrites. They censor the internet in NZ even. What right does Google have to interfere with our internal politics?
I think that's the type of thoughts that Google's pull-out will generate in China.
China where they can ignore all environmental laws
Perhaps the WTO should introduce a policy of environmental and workplace-condition tariff. That would alleviate the current race-to-the-bottom standards that multi-nationals are taking advantage of in the myopic pursuit of short-term profit.
Also, I have more faith in China actually doing something about investing in sustainable economies, since they have such a centralized system. They aren't out for mystic perpetual growth if the figures don't add up. Not that I like their system, but it isn't as gridlocked by partisan interests as the USA -- where nothing will happen without bribing senators with pork -- and placating the army of "smart" industry advisors that shadow them everywhere.
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You called me an idiot, while you are staring right into the problems face and being totally blind about it.
You think he's wrong despite what he says. I suspect strongly that you haven't even read it deeply.
Once the government guarantees that it will pay, the incentives to keep prices at what the market can bear disappear.
If that is true, then why is health care so much cheaper everywhere else in the world - where the government really does guarantee to pay?
Government provides a gigantic moral hazard, you are looking at it and completely not seeing it.
What an awesome argument! Way to go brains! Did it ever occur to you that what you think you can "see" is just the play of neurones? It's not actually real.
If the government is such a huge moral hazard, then perhaps you should go live some place without a government - say like Somalia. No government there. Just pure economics. Paradise!
You buy civilisation with taxes,and that must be administered by government. Far from being a moral hazard, the collective spending and government administration is the basis of a functioning economy. It really is a question of what qualifies as efficient and worthwhile.
If private industry cannot do better than a government institution, then why prop up an inefficient private solution? That is precisely why we have public fire fighters.
Or is that a big moral hazard as well??
No wonder you immediately start with an ad-hominem, you have no intelligence to do otherwise.
Psychologists call that projection
if we're charging higher taxes, higher labor costs, for essentially the same service why not move elsewhere?
Perhaps we should tariff countries with pathetic labour laws. Might halt the exploitation race to the bottom.
This is true, but people aren't promoted because they know how to program. Last IT shop I worked at, the most skilled manager didn't understand that DLLs were loaded with the program. The previous guy couldn't grok what encoding was all about, and used & through trial and error.
A famous book from the 80s, "Peoplesoft" talks about some of the insane chronic disconnects between management and developers, and these same problems persist 30 years later. In particular, programmers are in a market for lemons, and HR/management are almost always too stunned to discern the wheat from the chaff.
Consider the following (simple) hiring procedure:
How simple it would be.
Yet somehow management is confused about how to hire good help.
Unlike the pure, upstanding people from every other country on earth, who would never dream of doing such things? It's not just Americans who suck, it's people in general.
Bullies always justify their behaviour.
Shooting Reuters reporters and a van of civilians is a secret that should be kept now?
Damn straight! We should be able to keep anything secret that makes us look bad. We are, after all, totally awesome and in the right about everything. And it's all just lies and spin anyway. Why do you hate america? What's wrong with you?
(just trying to see things from the others' perspective.)
lol, just because they showed doesn't mean that they acknowledge jurisdiction.
The spamhaus guys probably showed up to see what was going on - maybe to see what the "threat" was, or maybe just because they thought it was the right thing to do. And then figured they'd do something more useful with their time.
Also, I might add, I have noticed that many people from the USA have difficulty understanding the notion of others' sovereignty. And jurisdiction falls squarely under sovereignty.
I'm not underestimating it.
Ahem. In your own words:
The amount of taxpayer money involved in having a court enter a default judgment is effectively zero.
You must live a very privileged life.
Wind tunnel test of original enterprise
So then, if you believe the lie then the polygraph will fail. Good to know. btw, there are a lot of people who would slip past a polygraph if that is the case.
And you know what? People want to be lied to. They don't want to hear the truth
If only it were not true. I just saw an interview with Darren Brown, and he was saying how upset people get with him when he points out a charlatan psyhic. I mean, wtf?.
It seems that the bush administration correctly gauged that they could break the law, and with sufficient media manipulation, hard-core republicans would keep justice at bay. Those hard-core republicans have their head so suck up their ass, that they cannot even digest what happened. And, apparently, having a head suck there is a comfortable place, so long as you only watch Fox.
Treason is lying to the american public about WMDs. Perhaps you don't think the boss can commit treason. But the public is meant to be the boss - and they were lied too, and money was laundered, lives were lost and countless suffered.
20 IT people, not including help desk folks
Sorry to be a snob, but you don't sound remotely like a software developer.
Disallowing prayer in schools *IS* "prohibiting the free exercise thereof
Oh pleeezzeee. What a crok. You can pray before or after school. Or at school during recess.
The laws are a blatant attempt to convert other peoples children to Christianity. As such, they are completely odious.
We've all been painted with the brush of religion because some Scientists forgot their place and their core principles in pursuit of Being Right(tm).
We've been painted with the brush of religion because market research shows the people are more comfortable talking about people's motives than they are about the actual issues. That was probably determined very scientifically.
None of us people who actually create things and do the work wanted to see software patents become a reality. But the businessmen and lawyers have had their way with us. Now we just have to do all the extra work to create working computer systems, while a few individuals go laughing to the bank.
More than anything else, I think the H.264 nonsense demonstrates the lock-down that will mark a new era of the software industry.
You are *so* wrong with your numbers. Twin studies show a 50% concordance rate (Bailey & Pillard, 1991). That's just the genetic component. Then there are developmental components that affect the fetus.
Prenatal factors have also been implicated in the development of sexual orientation. For example, fetal exposure to high levels of androgens or estrogens show modest correlations to bisexual or homosexual orientation in women (Hyde et al., 2009; Meyer-Bahlburg, Dolezal, Baker, & New, 2008). A mother’s antibodies may also destroy important chemical messengers produced by the Y chromosome, which are involved in the sexual differentiation of male fetuses (Hyde et al., 2009). This is thought to account for the fraternal birth order effect, a cross-cultural phenomenon where having older brothers increases the likelihood of homosexuality in right-handed males (Blanchard, & Lippa, 2006; Hyde et al., 2009). Interestingly, despite the fraternal birth order effect, both male and female LGBs are more likely to be non-right-handed (Hyde et al., 2009).
And then society gets to LGBs and tries to make them straight. From infancy, mothers inculcate heteronormativity. But people still grow up with different sexual orientations.
If anyone wants citations, I can look them up. Just respond to this post and I'll get back to you.
Yeah, that would be a lark.
Empirical evidence suggests a very strong biological component to sexual orientation. Gay, Bi, Straight, Transgender - is innate. Then society attempts to shame these people out of being themselves. But the shame really belongs to you.
It just isn't a good Slashdot discussion without the old appeal to authority fallacy.
/did/ make an argument that itself is not fallacious. You have circumvented Knuth's argument by focusing on the appeal aspect, but not on the arguments of the authority.
Although the GP made an appeal to authority, that authority
So instead of responding to one fallacy with another, perhaps it would be instructive to demonstrate why Knuth is wrong.
Exactly why do you think you know better than Knuth? What is your response to Knuth's arguments that demonstrate that you know better?
The last thing on your mind will be the price of an Oracle license.
Pity that you really don't get that many more useful features that are applicable for the 95% of people who use oracle just because.
It doesn't matter if you use oracle or if you use free software if your developers don't really understand programming theory because they just aren't that interested in computer programming but got a degree in it anyway.
But you go ahead, keep pretending you have some sort of clue and are witty by pointing out its expensive.
I am sure you do wonderful things with oracle that you cannot do with free software. Good for you.
However, I believe that most development shops could save a bundle of money by properly training and mentoring their staff. Big business can look a lot like the public service, in which case, an oracle license is just a par for the course, but hardly necessary.
I wish they'd go ahead and pull out of America too.
You mightn't be enjoying that, but the rest of America likes being anally raped the internet industry.
That is spot on what happened at my work place. The boss looked at me like I was mad, to suggest that we try other browsers or get a Mac to test -- since there was no "business case". So we made crap, our customers bought crap, and people use our crap on the internet.
Sure, those conditions and that money is probably a BIG STEP UP over how many were living
That is pure conjecture. Chinese factory work is institutionalized exploitation of a vast underclass. Most of these people would have been better off as farmers building their own local economies.
If you don't have time to watch this excellent documentary on contemporary china, then just watch section 5: "Two Chinas".
Never miss the power of the mind to delude itself. From an average Chinese citizen's point of view, Google will definitely be the bad guy. After-all, we are western hypocrites. They censor the internet in NZ even. What right does Google have to interfere with our internal politics?
I think that's the type of thoughts that Google's pull-out will generate in China.
China where they can ignore all environmental laws
Perhaps the WTO should introduce a policy of environmental and workplace-condition tariff. That would alleviate the current race-to-the-bottom standards that multi-nationals are taking advantage of in the myopic pursuit of short-term profit.
Also, I have more faith in China actually doing something about investing in sustainable economies, since they have such a centralized system. They aren't out for mystic perpetual growth if the figures don't add up. Not that I like their system, but it isn't as gridlocked by partisan interests as the USA -- where nothing will happen without bribing senators with pork -- and placating the army of "smart" industry advisors that shadow them everywhere.
Indeed. Thanks for pointing out that it's metric tonnes, silly American tons.
rotfl! My dictionary lists "tonne" as another word for metric ton.