Wikipedia is a religion. This explains everything. Someone questions the godhood of Wikipedia and they get themselves a new asshole torn by all the sycophants incensed at this heresy.
I'm being serious here in my flippant way. Assuming that mere collaboration can overcome a complete lack of scholarship to produce a factual reference work is a leap of faith akin to a religious belief. Everywhere else in the free and open information continuum meritocracy reigns supreme. But in Wikipedia the only thing that counts is quantity.
Me: "I think I found an error in the phlogiston article"
Wikipedian: "Did you fix it?"
Me: "No. Because I'm not an expert in that field."
Wikipedian: "What the fsck does that have to do with anything?"
I beg your pardon. I'm not a Linux user, so I may have my Linux terminology all wrong. When I say "release" I mean it in the normal sense. As in "suitable for the general public, so tag it, alert the mirrors, and mail off the announcements." Merely bumping the tertiary version doesn't count as a release.
I doubt anyone would argue that, for example, linux-2.5.17 was beyond alpha or beta.
Why do you keep bringup up an unstable branch of Linux? Linux-2.5.157 certainly was NOT beyond alpha or beta. It was the unstable branch. But at least that branch didn't languish for years, but progressed steadily towards 2.6.
Prove me wrong! Release a stable E17 sometime this year!
That was at school. Try doing that at work in an important document. I did. In my self evaluation, I wrote about how I saved the company CEO from drowning, performed CPR on the vice president, single handedly rallied the stock market around our product, etc. My boss cut and pasted my text into his formal review without ever reading it.
At the point where he asked me to sign my formal review, I had to confess.
Why should I wait when X.org, Qt, GTK+, KDE, GNOME and XFCE are here *TODAY*? They may not have the gee-whiz erection-inducing awesome-ality of E17, but I would rather have something on my monitor besides blackness while I wait for the hallelujah promised land of E17.
Some of us don't want to live on the bleeding edge. Far from being meaningless tags, releases are indicators that the code has progressed beyond alpha, beyond beta, and even Enlightenment is software engineering at its worse. You could have released EWL years ago while you endlessly tweaked the backend, and have had a viable competitor to GTK+ and Qt *TODAY*. But instead everyone out in the real world is afraid to use it because it's essentially nothing more than a prototype.
all the nice effects that mac and longhorn will be doing next year could be tied into xorg/gnome within 6 months.
Six months?!?!? To quote the blurb: "finally people are beginning to take seriously what the Enlightenment crowd have been talking about for years."
I'm sorry, but I have lost faith in Enlightenment and Rasterman. I was all gung ho on this project three years ago. But it's now clear to me that this is the Open Source version of vaporware. Even Rasterman is starting to realize this, as he now refers to E17 as a laboratory instead of a window manager. When he says he is all done and merely waiting for the video hardware to catch up to him, I say it's time to move on and start dealing with people who can actually put out a release in a timely manner.
p.s. You sound suspiciously like my CTO, who rolls over and bares his belly to any sales rep with a video clip...
You're not going to find this stuff at Fry's, Circuit City or CompUSA. Here comes a big cluestick. It's going to hit you upside the head. Watch for it. Here it comes. Wait. Wait. Whack! Mass market consumer systems do not run 64-bit operating systems or have 16Gb RAM, so stop shopping at mass market consumer outlets staffed by kindergarten dropouts.
The French concept of Liberte: arrest muslim schoolgirls who cover their heads with scarves. Of course, I am not saying that the US is any better. Hear you arrest sikh schoolboys who wear fake one inch daggers on a necklace.
Someday, somewhere, I would like to see a country that actually believes in liberty. It seems like the only freedom allowed nowadays is the freedom to conform.
Using your link as an example, it's trivial to avoid with Konqueror. Perhaps that's why Konqueror wasn't mentioned in the article.
Set the Javascript setting "open new windows" to "deny" (or "ask") and you won't get it. It will get through the "smart" setting, which is what I assume Safari is using.
p.s. Of course, that Konqueror has a setting to configure this indicates to many people that it isn't ready for the desktop. Go figure...
So if you're not getting the "cash discount" you're being charged?
The price of money is more than the official interest placed on it by lenders, though that certainly is a large part of the price. If you pay cash for a house you can often get a discount, regardless of the interest rate, because the cash price will be LOWER than the principle! If you pay cash to your supplier on delivery of your wholesale goods you will normally get a cheaper price than if you pay at the end of the month. This isn't interest in the normal sense of the word, because it is the principle that is getting discounted, not merely the total of payments.
Zero percent interest is still zero percent interest. If you don't like it, get a loan from your credit union instead of from the dealer. That way the dealer gets cash, the credit union gets your interest, and you get this smug feeling of superiority that you've somehow screwed over the dealer.
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Who is the user? In the case of your font options, it's you the printer device driver author. Not the consumer. To take a more generic example, exposing ever ioctl command to the user via a KE control panel would be supremely silly, but as a developer working with that device, I sure as heck want to know what they are.
This isn't hiding functionality, it's layering it.
The problem is that particular guy. When I was told about the new plan, it was made clear to me that after seven days I would own the video, and would have 30 days after that to return it. The restocking fee wasn't mentioned, nor did it need to be, because that has been their purchase return policy since day one.
Everyone posting here needs to calm down, put your spleens on hold, and look a that the situation objectively. I had a problem with this as well, until I put my brain in gear. The problem is that people have linked late fees and due dates in their minds. They are separate issues. The lack of a late fee does not imply the lack of a due date. The due date is still there, and you are still obligated to return it by then.
No, the 0% financing is still a genuine 0% financing. They're not charging you more for it. Instead they're giving cash customers a discount. It's a subtle but very important distiniction. If you can't understand why, try running a business for a few years.
Money has an inherent value. Or more accurately, the USE of money has a value. $100 today has more value than $100 tomorrow. The dealer is going to give you a discount when you pay cash, because $12,000 minus $2,000 discount today is worth more to him then $12,000 in four years. Conversely, that $12,000 in four years might be worth less than the $10,000 today, in which case you would choose the financing.
Your assertion only makes sense if there is no time involved. But once you throw in those four years, you end up with a completely different equation. There is no misleading advertising in this situation.
...before I can start pushing Linux as an alternative at work I'll need a few things.
Let me get this straight. Before you can push Linux at work, it needs to have a whole bunch of stuff configured and turned on by default, or you'll have to go with a competing OS that does. Please tell me which competing OS has all this stuff configured and on by default?
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You haven't really disagreed with me. You've merely given me an example of a UI that provides access to a capability. Printing the test message *IS* the user interface for the print orientation.
The only reason I brought up this point is that there's currently a trend to hide away functionality from the user. I vehemently disagree with this philosophy. Advanced or complicated stuff would be better served by partitioning it into a different interface (an "advanced" dialog, or a tools submenu, or a scripting interface, etc). Writing the code and then never letting the user make use of it is utterly pointless.
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Wikipedia is a religion. This explains everything. Someone questions the godhood of Wikipedia and they get themselves a new asshole torn by all the sycophants incensed at this heresy.
I'm being serious here in my flippant way. Assuming that mere collaboration can overcome a complete lack of scholarship to produce a factual reference work is a leap of faith akin to a religious belief. Everywhere else in the free and open information continuum meritocracy reigns supreme. But in Wikipedia the only thing that counts is quantity.
Me: "I think I found an error in the phlogiston article"
Wikipedian: "Did you fix it?"
Me: "No. Because I'm not an expert in that field."
Wikipedian: "What the fsck does that have to do with anything?"
...why so many installs...
Because it's freaking Windows!
Nothing happened. I only did it because I knew my boss wouldn't fire me if he discovered it.
Even funnier: Kerry almost won!
51% of voters are idiots and 49% are morons. The Dems don't want to eliminate stupidity in government, they just want to shift it around.
I get it. It's like when a company hires a black hat to help them figure out where the holes are so they can plug them...
I beg your pardon. I'm not a Linux user, so I may have my Linux terminology all wrong. When I say "release" I mean it in the normal sense. As in "suitable for the general public, so tag it, alert the mirrors, and mail off the announcements." Merely bumping the tertiary version doesn't count as a release.
I doubt anyone would argue that, for example, linux-2.5.17 was beyond alpha or beta.
Why do you keep bringup up an unstable branch of Linux? Linux-2.5.157 certainly was NOT beyond alpha or beta. It was the unstable branch. But at least that branch didn't languish for years, but progressed steadily towards 2.6.
Prove me wrong! Release a stable E17 sometime this year!
That was at school. Try doing that at work in an important document. I did. In my self evaluation, I wrote about how I saved the company CEO from drowning, performed CPR on the vice president, single handedly rallied the stock market around our product, etc. My boss cut and pasted my text into his formal review without ever reading it.
At the point where he asked me to sign my formal review, I had to confess.
Else, wait patiently.
Why should I wait when X.org, Qt, GTK+, KDE, GNOME and XFCE are here *TODAY*? They may not have the gee-whiz erection-inducing awesome-ality of E17, but I would rather have something on my monitor besides blackness while I wait for the hallelujah promised land of E17.
Some of us don't want to live on the bleeding edge. Far from being meaningless tags, releases are indicators that the code has progressed beyond alpha, beyond beta, and even
Enlightenment is software engineering at its worse. You could have released EWL years ago while you endlessly tweaked the backend, and have had a viable competitor to GTK+ and Qt *TODAY*. But instead everyone out in the real world is afraid to use it because it's essentially nothing more than a prototype.
Enlightenment was never an official part of the GNOME project. Rasterman left when Redhat *tried* to make it the official window manager.
Not quite. Rasterman left Redhat because Redhat wanted to take Enlightenment away and give it to Havoc.
Give Raster some time.
How long has it been since he started on D17? Three years? Four?
He keeps doing it over because he wants to get it right
We're not talking about refactoring or correcting earlier mistakes. We're talking about the second complete utter rewrite from scratch.
all the nice effects that mac and longhorn will be doing next year could be tied into xorg/gnome within 6 months.
Six months?!?!? To quote the blurb: "finally people are beginning to take seriously what the Enlightenment crowd have been talking about for years."
I'm sorry, but I have lost faith in Enlightenment and Rasterman. I was all gung ho on this project three years ago. But it's now clear to me that this is the Open Source version of vaporware. Even Rasterman is starting to realize this, as he now refers to E17 as a laboratory instead of a window manager. When he says he is all done and merely waiting for the video hardware to catch up to him, I say it's time to move on and start dealing with people who can actually put out a release in a timely manner.
p.s. You sound suspiciously like my CTO, who rolls over and bares his belly to any sales rep with a video clip...
You're not going to find this stuff at Fry's, Circuit City or CompUSA. Here comes a big cluestick. It's going to hit you upside the head. Watch for it. Here it comes. Wait. Wait. Whack! Mass market consumer systems do not run 64-bit operating systems or have 16Gb RAM, so stop shopping at mass market consumer outlets staffed by kindergarten dropouts.
The French concept of Liberte: arrest muslim schoolgirls who cover their heads with scarves. Of course, I am not saying that the US is any better. Hear you arrest sikh schoolboys who wear fake one inch daggers on a necklace.
Someday, somewhere, I would like to see a country that actually believes in liberty. It seems like the only freedom allowed nowadays is the freedom to conform.
I wanted a car that was built in the US, so I bought a Honda.
Article summary: Redhat tells core users to sod' off, then wonders why it doesn't have any core users.
Using your link as an example, it's trivial to avoid with Konqueror. Perhaps that's why Konqueror wasn't mentioned in the article.
Set the Javascript setting "open new windows" to "deny" (or "ask") and you won't get it. It will get through the "smart" setting, which is what I assume Safari is using.
p.s. Of course, that Konqueror has a setting to configure this indicates to many people that it isn't ready for the desktop. Go figure...
So if you're not getting the "cash discount" you're being charged?
The price of money is more than the official interest placed on it by lenders, though that certainly is a large part of the price. If you pay cash for a house you can often get a discount, regardless of the interest rate, because the cash price will be LOWER than the principle! If you pay cash to your supplier on delivery of your wholesale goods you will normally get a cheaper price than if you pay at the end of the month. This isn't interest in the normal sense of the word, because it is the principle that is getting discounted, not merely the total of payments.
Zero percent interest is still zero percent interest. If you don't like it, get a loan from your credit union instead of from the dealer. That way the dealer gets cash, the credit union gets your interest, and you get this smug feeling of superiority that you've somehow screwed over the dealer.
Who is the user? In the case of your font options, it's you the printer device driver author. Not the consumer. To take a more generic example, exposing ever ioctl command to the user via a KE control panel would be supremely silly, but as a developer working with that device, I sure as heck want to know what they are.
This isn't hiding functionality, it's layering it.
The problem is that particular guy. When I was told about the new plan, it was made clear to me that after seven days I would own the video, and would have 30 days after that to return it. The restocking fee wasn't mentioned, nor did it need to be, because that has been their purchase return policy since day one.
Everyone posting here needs to calm down, put your spleens on hold, and look a that the situation objectively. I had a problem with this as well, until I put my brain in gear. The problem is that people have linked late fees and due dates in their minds. They are separate issues. The lack of a late fee does not imply the lack of a due date. The due date is still there, and you are still obligated to return it by then.
No, the 0% financing is still a genuine 0% financing. They're not charging you more for it. Instead they're giving cash customers a discount. It's a subtle but very important distiniction. If you can't understand why, try running a business for a few years.
Money has an inherent value. Or more accurately, the USE of money has a value. $100 today has more value than $100 tomorrow. The dealer is going to give you a discount when you pay cash, because $12,000 minus $2,000 discount today is worth more to him then $12,000 in four years. Conversely, that $12,000 in four years might be worth less than the $10,000 today, in which case you would choose the financing.
Your assertion only makes sense if there is no time involved. But once you throw in those four years, you end up with a completely different equation. There is no misleading advertising in this situation.
...before I can start pushing Linux as an alternative at work I'll need a few things.
Let me get this straight. Before you can push Linux at work, it needs to have a whole bunch of stuff configured and turned on by default, or you'll have to go with a competing OS that does. Please tell me which competing OS has all this stuff configured and on by default?
You haven't really disagreed with me. You've merely given me an example of a UI that provides access to a capability. Printing the test message *IS* the user interface for the print orientation.
The only reason I brought up this point is that there's currently a trend to hide away functionality from the user. I vehemently disagree with this philosophy. Advanced or complicated stuff would be better served by partitioning it into a different interface (an "advanced" dialog, or a tools submenu, or a scripting interface, etc). Writing the code and then never letting the user make use of it is utterly pointless.