There are occasional exceptions (GIMP and Mozilla, notably)
Funny, those also happen to be the two most popular GTK+ applications. If the poster boys for the toolkit can't follow Havoc's HIG, what incentive is there for other non-GNOME apps?
but 99% of GTK/GNOME apps are extremely consistant.
The key word here is "GNOME". Non-GNOME GTK+ applications are not very consistant.
Bruce objected to that and is putting together a distribution that has NO payment requirements for commercial development.
Companies that purchase or otherwise aquire UserLinux aren't going to be doing to writing GUI end user applications. This distro is meant for the corporate desktop, not proprietary development workstations. These companies aren't going to expect all of their proprietary development tools to be freely downloadable. They certainly don't today when they buy Windows, Solaris or AIX.
Think about it before spouting off. If I buy Solaris I have to pay extra for the compiler and Motif if I want to write an application for their desktop. If I buy Windows I have to pay extra for the compiler and MFC/.NET if I want to write an application for their desktop.
They won't care if the underlying toolkit of their desktop requires payment for development of their proprietary product. There's nothing stopping them from downloading GTK+. Frankly, if they're too dumb to do even that, they shouldn't be in the development business.
If I had my druthers, I would have Qt be under the MIT license, just like XFree86, freer than anything GNU puts out. But I don't own Qt, so I don't get to make the decisions.
But fair is fair. Just like in any other business, if you expect your customers to pay you, then you should expect to pay your suppliers.
As as Christian I must disagree. Do not mistake a preacher's thumping of the Bible as the Word of God. Do not replace the instruction of the Holy Spirit with the babble of clergymen. All have sinned and come short of the glory of God, even preachers, pastors and priests.
God made marriage holy and sacred, but he made it for all people, regardless of their faith. Marriage is for Christians, Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, athiests, agnostics and everyone else. It is a very part of human nature, for every human society has had institutions of marriage.
You don't have to tweak every single feature, you nitwit! Do you have so little self control that you must twist and turn every little knob if they aren't hidden twenty layers deep?
Let's put it another way. If you're so damned concerned about this, then stop using GNOME as well, since it comes with GConf allowing you to tweak features you've never even heard of.
You've been reading the wrong books. They're not in ROTK the Book. Nice try, now bring on the next contestant.
The wildmen (dunlending) in TTT did not show up in ROTK, except for a brief mention of them avoiding the hobbits and elves on their return trip months after the war was over.
No one got ambushed in the woods, but they did meet the Woses, who escorted them through it. The Woses did not fight in the war at all.
When the oliphaunts where stepping on horses, I kept expecting to see stuff squirt out from beneath the feet. But no! None of the oliphaunts had any residue from slow pygmies...
First of all...okay, Frodo and Sam are good friends, but could Peter Jackson have made it any more homosexual?
That's the book! Sam and Frodo are very close friends with strong emotional bonds. That doesn't make them gay. Not every culture abhors the display of emotion by males. Not every culture abhors anything more substantial than a handshake between males.
Second, after blowing our load at the battle of the black gate, all everyone wants to do is roll over and go to sleep.
Twelve hours into the story you just want to end it right then? No way! The series needs closure. While I will agree that the ending was overdone, especially with the long fadeouts designed to make people think it was over, it still needed more than a two minute wrapup. Pulling out my calculator, the ending works out to about 2% of the total. Not bad.
The saving of Sam and Frodo, the reunion of the fellowship was necessary, and some sort of return to the Shire was necessary. Marrying Rosie, the book, and the Grey Havens weren't strictly necessary, but were still highly significant. The final "Well, I'm back" was uneccesary, in my opinion, but it's still only half a minute.
"The North Wind blows, but we shall outfly it," said Gwaihir.
And he lifted up Gandalf and sped away south, and with him went Landroval, and Meneldor young and swift.
Which wildmen? You mean the woses? They didn't fight in the war. You mean certain unnamed barbarian tribes from the east? How do you know they weren't there?
But in the book we were not told about the Palantir of Minas Tirith until AFTER Denethor had gone mad and barbecued himself. The only clue we are given beforehand was Pippin noticing strange lights coming out the top of the tower.
But his madness still made sense in the movie. His son just died and he foresees the destruction of his people. Then his only other son dies (or so he believes) and he goes completely off his rocker. You don't need magical snowglobes to explain it.
That was Prince Inafix. He called his servants to blindfold and shoot him, but not before he has one last pipeweed cigarette. Gandalf rides to rescue him from himself, but is too late, and his servants open fire with their blunderbuses.
I actually finished rereading (for the umpteenth time) ROTK this week, then I saw the movie yesterday. Everyone's talking about this minor change or that minor change, but no one mentioned the MAJOR change. It's almost like people read the book decades ago, and remember only a haze distorted memory.
People quibble over the portrayal of Denethor, but actually it's quite close to the book. The real change here was the despair turning to madness a much earlier. And then people quibbled over the portrayal of Faramir in the third movie, when in fact it's quite accurate, not withstanding trivial changes to his dialogue.
And people are bitching about Sam inflicting physical violence on Gollum. Huh? Now I know for sure they didn't read the books! Sam beat Gollum with his Ithilien staff to the point of breaking the staff (and presumably Gollum's arm). True, it didn't happen at the same point, but there's nothing out of character for Sam to beat the stuffing out of Sneaker.
But the MAJOR change no one talks about is the Army of the Dead! They don't belong at Minas Tirith. Aaaargh! Although I can understand the cinematic reasons for them being there, and fits the tone of the book, it's still probably the largest plot change in the movie. But no one has mentioned it. They're too obsessed with the trivial.
You see, the kernel "out of the box" is merely adequate. But Linus has given a way for the True Geek to demonstrate their prowess and virility, by reading scattered snippets of documentation, so that they can build a kernel with a bit more oomph in it.
As a True Geek, you really don't want to be running the same vanilla system your PHB is, do you?
I thought you were talking about companies using other people's software. If it's their own software, then they'll want to keep it as proprietary as possible. The GPL has an advantage to them because it straddles the line between Free and proprietary.
People have been trotting out this horror scenario for over a decade now. But it has not happened yet. Nor do I expect it ever to happen. This is FUD and nothing but FUD. And stale FUD at that.
TCP/IP: Microsoft's (and Linux's for a while) use of the BSD TCP/IP stack never harmed anyone. Microsoft never created an incompatible fork. They never extended it. While it may have offended your sensibilities and thin skin to think that Bill Gates actually touched TCP/IP, in the long run it was a good thing. Otherwise we might be in the minority using the Internet, locked out of a monopoly MSN running a proprietary network protocol.
Kerberos: First, abandon all the urban legends regarding this. They're all wrong. Microsoft created their OWN implementation of Kerberos. So it wouldn't have made any difference at all if Kerberos had been under the GPL instead. Second, Microsoft backed down very quickly on their extensions. Community pressure demanding good citizenship made more of a difference than long years in a courtroom ever would have.
FreeBSD: Yes, Apple took and used it. But guess what? They made their Darwin fork Free and Open Source. They're giving back to FreeBSD. They're giving back to Konqueror and KDE. They're funding FreeBSD development.
I'm beginning to suspect that a majority of developers using the GPL aren't doing it for FSFreedom reasons. Developers just want to code. They don't want to engineer society. So they pick a license and forget about it.
Others do it because they're lazy. I've seen many projects whose license is a mere "template" of the GPL. They copy over the GPL into the CVS tree without ever bothering to remove the "gnomovision" stuff at the bottom. Other's put a GPL notice in their source files referring to a COPYING file that they never bothered to include.
And then there are those who just think they have to for some reason. One developer took some BSD licensed code of mine, modified it very slightly, and released it under the GPL. When I asked him for permission to back port his modifications, he was dumbfounded that I even had to ask. He said he used the GPL because he thought he was supposed to. When something like KDevelop automatically assumes your new project is under the GPL, the path of least resistance for new developers is to just use the GPL.
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There are occasional exceptions (GIMP and Mozilla, notably)
Funny, those also happen to be the two most popular GTK+ applications. If the poster boys for the toolkit can't follow Havoc's HIG, what incentive is there for other non-GNOME apps?
but 99% of GTK/GNOME apps are extremely consistant.
The key word here is "GNOME". Non-GNOME GTK+ applications are not very consistant.
Bruce objected to that and is putting together a distribution that has NO payment requirements for commercial development.
Companies that purchase or otherwise aquire UserLinux aren't going to be doing to writing GUI end user applications. This distro is meant for the corporate desktop, not proprietary development workstations. These companies aren't going to expect all of their proprietary development tools to be freely downloadable. They certainly don't today when they buy Windows, Solaris or AIX.
Think about it before spouting off. If I buy Solaris I have to pay extra for the compiler and Motif if I want to write an application for their desktop. If I buy Windows I have to pay extra for the compiler and MFC/.NET if I want to write an application for their desktop.
They won't care if the underlying toolkit of their desktop requires payment for development of their proprietary product. There's nothing stopping them from downloading GTK+. Frankly, if they're too dumb to do even that, they shouldn't be in the development business.
If I had my druthers, I would have Qt be under the MIT license, just like XFree86, freer than anything GNU puts out. But I don't own Qt, so I don't get to make the decisions.
But fair is fair. Just like in any other business, if you expect your customers to pay you, then you should expect to pay your suppliers.
Marriage is a specific christian tradition
As as Christian I must disagree. Do not mistake a preacher's thumping of the Bible as the Word of God. Do not replace the instruction of the Holy Spirit with the babble of clergymen. All have sinned and come short of the glory of God, even preachers, pastors and priests.
God made marriage holy and sacred, but he made it for all people, regardless of their faith. Marriage is for Christians, Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, athiests, agnostics and everyone else. It is a very part of human nature, for every human society has had institutions of marriage.
You don't have to tweak every single feature, you nitwit! Do you have so little self control that you must twist and turn every little knob if they aren't hidden twenty layers deep?
Let's put it another way. If you're so damned concerned about this, then stop using GNOME as well, since it comes with GConf allowing you to tweak features you've never even heard of.
You've been reading the wrong books. They're not in ROTK the Book. Nice try, now bring on the next contestant.
The wildmen (dunlending) in TTT did not show up in ROTK, except for a brief mention of them avoiding the hobbits and elves on their return trip months after the war was over.
No one got ambushed in the woods, but they did meet the Woses, who escorted them through it. The Woses did not fight in the war at all.
Ditto. I rented it a couple of weeks ago. I was expecting "dumb and fun". What I got was "stupid and excruciating."
When the oliphaunts where stepping on horses, I kept expecting to see stuff squirt out from beneath the feet. But no! None of the oliphaunts had any residue from slow pygmies...
First of all...okay, Frodo and Sam are good friends, but could Peter Jackson have made it any more homosexual?
That's the book! Sam and Frodo are very close friends with strong emotional bonds. That doesn't make them gay. Not every culture abhors the display of emotion by males. Not every culture abhors anything more substantial than a handshake between males.
Second, after blowing our load at the battle of the black gate, all everyone wants to do is roll over and go to sleep.
Twelve hours into the story you just want to end it right then? No way! The series needs closure. While I will agree that the ending was overdone, especially with the long fadeouts designed to make people think it was over, it still needed more than a two minute wrapup. Pulling out my calculator, the ending works out to about 2% of the total. Not bad.
The saving of Sam and Frodo, the reunion of the fellowship was necessary, and some sort of return to the Shire was necessary. Marrying Rosie, the book, and the Grey Havens weren't strictly necessary, but were still highly significant. The final "Well, I'm back" was uneccesary, in my opinion, but it's still only half a minute.
Which wildmen? You mean the woses? They didn't fight in the war. You mean certain unnamed barbarian tribes from the east? How do you know they weren't there?
But in the book we were not told about the Palantir of Minas Tirith until AFTER Denethor had gone mad and barbecued himself. The only clue we are given beforehand was Pippin noticing strange lights coming out the top of the tower.
But his madness still made sense in the movie. His son just died and he foresees the destruction of his people. Then his only other son dies (or so he believes) and he goes completely off his rocker. You don't need magical snowglobes to explain it.
Sheesh! Grow up and get a life. Millions of fans have seen and loved these movies, but never noticed any "twitching" orcs.
That was Prince Inafix. He called his servants to blindfold and shoot him, but not before he has one last pipeweed cigarette. Gandalf rides to rescue him from himself, but is too late, and his servants open fire with their blunderbuses.
they didn't spend time making up their own story.
I actually finished rereading (for the umpteenth time) ROTK this week, then I saw the movie yesterday. Everyone's talking about this minor change or that minor change, but no one mentioned the MAJOR change. It's almost like people read the book decades ago, and remember only a haze distorted memory.
People quibble over the portrayal of Denethor, but actually it's quite close to the book. The real change here was the despair turning to madness a much earlier. And then people quibbled over the portrayal of Faramir in the third movie, when in fact it's quite accurate, not withstanding trivial changes to his dialogue.
And people are bitching about Sam inflicting physical violence on Gollum. Huh? Now I know for sure they didn't read the books! Sam beat Gollum with his Ithilien staff to the point of breaking the staff (and presumably Gollum's arm). True, it didn't happen at the same point, but there's nothing out of character for Sam to beat the stuffing out of Sneaker.
But the MAJOR change no one talks about is the Army of the Dead! They don't belong at Minas Tirith. Aaaargh! Although I can understand the cinematic reasons for them being there, and fits the tone of the book, it's still probably the largest plot change in the movie. But no one has mentioned it. They're too obsessed with the trivial.
If you are a hobbist...
Is that like a pervy hobbit fancier?
Even Richard couldn't stomach the name "IEEEIX".
You see, the kernel "out of the box" is merely adequate. But Linus has given a way for the True Geek to demonstrate their prowess and virility, by reading scattered snippets of documentation, so that they can build a kernel with a bit more oomph in it.
As a True Geek, you really don't want to be running the same vanilla system your PHB is, do you?
Its really the first industrial strength version to compete agaisnt the big Unixies like Solaris and Aix.
Wait! Didn't you guys say that same thing for the 2.4 release? Why is every release the salvation of geekdom, until next week when another comes out?
That may be so, but it is still no excuse to force a new country to use MS
Until such a time as anyone in Iraq is forced to use Microsoft by US orders, keep your conspiracy theories to yourself.
Last I checked, ftp and telnet were part of the TCP/IP stack. Not the bottom layers of the stack, but definitely the application layer.
But regardless of semantics, Microsoft's use of ftp and telnet did not affect anyone else's use of ftp or telnet on any other system.
I thought you were talking about companies using other people's software. If it's their own software, then they'll want to keep it as proprietary as possible. The GPL has an advantage to them because it straddles the line between Free and proprietary.
People have been trotting out this horror scenario for over a decade now. But it has not happened yet. Nor do I expect it ever to happen. This is FUD and nothing but FUD. And stale FUD at that.
TCP/IP: Microsoft's (and Linux's for a while) use of the BSD TCP/IP stack never harmed anyone. Microsoft never created an incompatible fork. They never extended it. While it may have offended your sensibilities and thin skin to think that Bill Gates actually touched TCP/IP, in the long run it was a good thing. Otherwise we might be in the minority using the Internet, locked out of a monopoly MSN running a proprietary network protocol.
Kerberos: First, abandon all the urban legends regarding this. They're all wrong. Microsoft created their OWN implementation of Kerberos. So it wouldn't have made any difference at all if Kerberos had been under the GPL instead. Second, Microsoft backed down very quickly on their extensions. Community pressure demanding good citizenship made more of a difference than long years in a courtroom ever would have.
FreeBSD: Yes, Apple took and used it. But guess what? They made their Darwin fork Free and Open Source. They're giving back to FreeBSD. They're giving back to Konqueror and KDE. They're funding FreeBSD development.
I'm beginning to suspect that a majority of developers using the GPL aren't doing it for FSFreedom reasons. Developers just want to code. They don't want to engineer society. So they pick a license and forget about it.
Others do it because they're lazy. I've seen many projects whose license is a mere "template" of the GPL. They copy over the GPL into the CVS tree without ever bothering to remove the "gnomovision" stuff at the bottom. Other's put a GPL notice in their source files referring to a COPYING file that they never bothered to include.
And then there are those who just think they have to for some reason. One developer took some BSD licensed code of mine, modified it very slightly, and released it under the GPL. When I asked him for permission to back port his modifications, he was dumbfounded that I even had to ask. He said he used the GPL because he thought he was supposed to. When something like KDevelop automatically assumes your new project is under the GPL, the path of least resistance for new developers is to just use the GPL.
Actually commercial firms prefer GPL because they are guarantied that their work wont be leveraged by competetors against them.
Then what's all this FUD about commercial firms preferring LGPL-gratis GTK+ over GPL QT?