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Linux 2.6.0 Kernel Released
thenextpresident writes "It's here! Just updated on kernel.org, the Linux 2.6.0 kernel has finally arrived! We've been waiting a long time for this, and it had been rumored it was going to be released tonight. Well, it's here indeed. Happy downloading." There's also a changelog online for this long-awaited update.
For the Longhorn release, coming soon!
Why is 2.4 gone from kernel.org?
[23:21] http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/12/18/041820 5&mode=nested&tid=106&tid=185&tid= 190 the sound you just heard was half a million geeks all orgasming at once!
I've been using 2.6.0-test11 for some time now, and find it quite stable and satisfactory.
Seems this fixes a few bugs, and beefs up Wireless support. Sweet. Can't wait till we start seeing this in "production systems".
This is not the sig you're looking for.
http://lug.mtu.edu/linux/kernel/
Wow, Lord of the Rings and 2.6 Kernel released on the same day? This just shows the dedication the Linux developers have. To not go see the movie and to work to release the kernel. My hats are off to these guys. They have gone above and beyond the call of duty.
Jason Lotito
Got a torrent of it for ya'll:
Linux 2.6.0 final (tar.bz2)My god. Now SCO will have to update all of their lawsuits!
Kiss ide-scsi goodbye!
--AROS is an Open Source AmigaOS clone, and source compatible with AmigaOS! Try the x86 build at http://www.aros.org
I must admit I have been looking forward to this, I have been running all the tests from about 3 onwards and am quite happy already with the level of test11. On the other hand now that its stable maybe we will see some distros that come with it as standard. Now that will be a good thing.
Thank you Santa, I mean Linus, this is the best Christmas present ever. God bless everyone, except Billy boy gates I hear he hasnt been that good this year.
Can somebody please save me from reading the entire changelog? I just want to know the major differences between 2.4.x and 2.6.x.
:)
Please save me! I'm lazy
At least offer a bitorrent version for those suffering the wrath of the slashdot effect.
If only the latest vanilla sources of gentoo linux were stable. I would not need to download 2.6 in order to get the nvidia opengl drivers to work.
http://saveie6.com/
I can't believe it's really here. I was playing console games, then came back to my computer, refreshed kernel.org, and there it was! I nearly had a heart attack. It's really here... and it just seems unreal. I just don't know how long it will take for me to get used to 2.6.x version numbers after these years of having 2.4... I'll miss you, 2.4.
Happy New Year, it's 1984!
copyright violations
Jesus, that finnish dude, the phonics monkey and most of all Eric Raymond and his gun collection for keeping Linux free.
Fix ide-scsi.c uninitialized variable
... sad
You have been waiting a long time for this? Wow, that is
I run linux as my desktop at home, and I also run it at work in a scientific computing cluster.
I'd like to know what benefits I could expect from the new kernel in each area in which I use linux.
Since it's impossible to track global downloads of the Linux 2.6.0 kernel, The SCO Group has set up a PayPal tip jar. Please abide by the honor system and send them your $699 after downloading the new kernel.
Tired of FB/Google censorship? Visit UNCENSORED!
i for one welcome our new 2.6 overlords.
Bill Gate's dream of Windows becoming a Unix killer is becoming an nightmare for him - it turned around.
It's good to see so much troll matter posted here already, considering that all the smelly linux hippies are going to be checking out this story. Bravo, trolls.
Since the official UTC timestamp is at 03:04 on the 18th its my birthday!!
OK, slightly more on-topic I am already running test11 on a couple boxes with no overriding need to upgrade. However I am curious as to how 2.6 will be managed as opposed to 2.4. Since Linus has already handed off the kernel to Andrew Morton, are we going to see the 2.7 development branch open a whole lot faster than happened with 2.5???
AntiFA: An abbreviation for Anti First Amendment.
So, no SCO contributions to the kernel eh? Not even a little snifter???
I'm glad the new kernel is out in time for the holiday season... wait... that's sad isn't it?
Esoteric reference.
"And there was much rejoicing..."
Perchance to be called the Christmas Release or the Christmas Kernel? Loads o' kernel goodness, to be sure. A brand new kernel to run on my brand new (Christmas-present-to-myself) Athlon.
Distros like Slackware 9.1 are already 2.6 ready - meaning just plug 2.6 in and it should work! The only reason why kernel 2.6 wasn't included is, well, that it wasn't released until now :)
But I just upgraded to 2.4.21!
Redhat is on version 9 wtf?
So uh, what is new in this version?
$foo_obscure_driver doesn't work I'll never use Linux again!
Now I can finally switch from windows!
$bar_obscure_feature which I can't live without never made it in, I hate Linux.
but I *liked* make menuconfig; make clean && make modules modules_install bzimage!!
I just spent the last 3 days trying to get the SELinux extensions, courtesy of the NSA installed on a Fedora Core 1 system.
I eventually gave up. However, the SELinux extensions were merged into the 2.6 kernel and it's apparently the plan of Fedora/Red Hat to put it into Fedora Core 2 sometime later this spring.
I, for one, can't wait.
I have no problem with your religion until you decide it's reason to deprive others of the truth.
Put it on Kernel.org's servers and voila'
There is still 50Mbits left on kernel.org never mind the countless mirrors.
There is even a bandwidth meter on the website clearly showing over 50Mbits OF BANDWIDTH LEFT, so shut it.
I'm torn between "Yes, but does it run Linux?" and "Wake me when it gets to 3.11"
props to all the people of who contributed to this version. i'm using the test right now and it realy rock's.
/. passwd, because being an ac suck ;)
ahh well, tomorrow morning i'll update.
ps.
I really should remember my
I hope they fix the front page of the kernel site to show 2.4.x info again.
Congratulations kernel team!
Because all Linux is really good for is use as a webserver.
This is great news! I'm excited even though I'm now an OS X dude. Once I find the time to back up my system and repartition I'll be trying LinuxPPC. Speaking of which, if anybody knows of (or wants to write) a non-destructive repartitioning tool for OS X please let me know!
-DA
LOTR 3.0
Linux 2.6
Mac OS X 10.3.2
all on the same day.
Weird.
For a summary of changes from 2.4 to 2.6, read Dave Jones' "post-Halloween" document. (The Changelog only lists changes from -test11 to 2.6.0 and so is not very useful. However, a full Changelog from 2.5.0 to 2.6.0 would be massive information overload, as well as just not terribly useful for a broad picture of what's different.)
It seems that the MS world is always comparing an OS from 3 years away to a kernel that was developed 3 years (6 years difference).
When longhorn comes out, 2.6 will be nearing its' EOL.
nvidia users might want to download the proper patches before trying out 2.6. the patches can be foundhere
the start of something?
Here
unlike 2.4 i must say 2.6 doesn't really have anything i'm very excited about...
I remember waiting eagerly for 2.4 for months and months...
I didn't even know this thing was close to release.
2.4 was in the test-xx cycle for over a year so this is a bit of a suprise, of course there really aren't any new features that are that major.
For those of us upgrading from 2.4 to 2.6 and don't know where to begin, you may want to check out an upgrade guide.
It's small but very helpful for someone that doesn't completely know what they're doing.
Gus
ITWorld.com has a rebuttal by Darl McBride to Linus Torvalds's latest FUD on copyrights and Open Source. In a nutshell Linus states "GNU asserts that the GPL, under which Linux is distributed, violates the United States Constitution and the U.S. copyright and patent laws" and Darl points out that "the notion that the GPL has, of "exchange of receipt of copyrighted works," is actually explicitly encoded in U.S. copyright law". With Darl of course providing a link allowing the reader to see the law for themselves
Windows 95 didn't even ship with TCP/IP enabled by default.
I mean I went there but there's no trusted computing logo. How can I trust software if it doesn't say I should. Linux will never be ready for the desktop until it's part of a trusted computing initiative.
What happened to that marcello dude?
How come he's not gonna maintain the 2.4 tree?
Did he get fired or he quit?
YHL HAND
three french hens,
two turtle doves,
and a new branch in the kernel tree!
I'd rather be a conservative nutjob than a liberal with no nuts and no job.
Waitwaitwait... what's Linux?
__________
[Big Brick Wall]
I'm using Mandrake, recently using supermount and playing Quake
.config and explore new features
but unofficial nvidia patch for 2.6 still sucks!
downloading...
and waiting to copy
-- There is four mistake in this sentences.
Hmm, it seems this occasion calls for a colorful haiku to mark the moment.
Anyone wanna try?
-- Given enough time and money, Microsoft will eventualy invent UNIX.
2.6 oooohhhh
dead puppies, dead puppies, slow down, hold off a sec
ehhh,ehh,ahhhh, that was good for me, was it good for you?
Start the build, go see LotR, come back to a nice compiled result - unless of course you enjoy watching the compiler do its thing, line by line. If so, you could always redirect stdout to a file and watch the instant replay when you return.
What does Darl McBride have to say about this?
LOL
Word to your mother!
And word to your father!
I'm sitting on top of a decently fast link and I'm leaving tomorrow, so I suppose this mirror couldn't hurt: linux-2.6.0.tar.bz2.
no, not really. it's all just a hoax.
The answers is obvious:
Download & configure kernel.
Start compilation and go see Lotr with a smug "i'm more clever than thou" geek look knowing that you are actually multitasking.
Come back from the film with the kernel and modules crisply compiled for you, install boot loader and enjoy.
If not, why not? It's been 10 minutes since the kernel was posted and I'm not getting any younger.
So preempt must still be broken, as it has been since test10. Don't use it.
--
Internet Explorer (n): Another bug -- that is, a feature that can't be turned off -- in Windows.
I'm just started downloading a 1.2 gig pr0n VCD like 10 minutes before I found out the kernel was out.
I don't want to lose my spot in the download queue...doh...2 hours and 45 minutes to go...
i just updated all mission critical servers with this new kernel!
Well, huzzah to the kernel team, I've enjoyed their work for enough years. Not much champagne available here, but a heartfelt and lukewarm Milwaukee piss (offered).
I've been using 2.5.x and -test kernels off and on here, and its definitely a step in the right direction even for my humble desktop, IMHO. If I was to be bold I'd even say that 2.6 is a positive change (for users) in the same way that 2.0 was. Just based on the scheduling and device support, SMP (I use it), bigmem, etc.
And no, I'm not really worried about the SCO/IBM thing - the outcome won't change my opinions or Linux usage patterns an iota.
C|N>K
Its great to see this go out in 2003, capping off a stellar year for open source. Mozilla 1.4/5, Gnome 2.4, KDE 3.2 (almost), Apache 2.x...and countless other pieces of the puzzle coming together in an awesome ecosystem.
Corporations haven't just 'taken notice', they are actively pushing this stuff. They are amping up great services behind the new commodity - software.
RedHat and IBM and Novell are leading the charge from the .com side while a huge developer community has taken root in the volunteer ranks.
2.6 was the icing on the cake - the version that really challenges the most established kernels across the entire spectrum. BRAVO!!
The latest 2.2 version of the Linux kernel is: 2.4.23
Why is an insignificant little dot-release suddenly front page "news" around here? C'mon, guys, this isn't Freshmeat.
Cheers,
IT
Power corrupts. PowerPoint corrupts absolutely.
If you plug peripherals into your computer, you are better off with this kernel.
The latest 2.4 version of the Linux kernel is: 2.4.23
LOAD "SIG",8,1
In related news, Redhat/Fedora has announced that the next Fedora release will ship with 2.6. They've called it a "stop-ship" feature :) Fedora Core 2 is tentatively scheduled to be released in April 04.
The big disadvantage here is that I'm back on kernel 2.2.21. I'm still trying to grok the dpkg/apt-get system. Is it possible for me to upgrade? Will terrible, evil things happen if I do? Or will my computer suddenly get the shimmery glow of transcendence before disappearing entirely?
That would be cool, except afterwards I would have to go back to the P433.
You want the truthiness? You can't handle the truthiness!
I'm working on a free version of a
Linux-lookalike for AT-386 computers. It has finally reached the stage where it's even usable (though may not be depending on what you want), and I am willing to put out the sources for wider distribution. It is just version 0.02 (+1 (very small) patch already), but I've successfully run bash/gcc/gnu-make/gnu-sed/compress etc under it.
I have been pwned because my
actually, windows 95 came with an installer. Although I'll admit finding device drivers was nerveracking so I won't aggree with this guy too much.
(that is, our today is their yesterday, and our tomorrow has already begun, there), and since Linus is undeniably from Over There, I can count this as a birthday present. Thanks, Linus.
timothy
jrnl: http://tinyurl.com/c2l8yr / foes: http://tinyurl.com/ckjno5
Generally, I'm pretty upset when slashdot posts a direct link to the copy of ToasterOS when some poor guy's Toaster who just built the tcp/ip and webserver for stack for it. (Personally, I think it's ToasterOS's killer app).
;-). I'm sure Kernel.org appreciates it.
/. should do that all the time. Let the commenters post links, which would really encourage torrent links.Maybe?
I would like commend thenextpresident and simoniker for NOT posting a direct download (a mirror would be nice though
Maybe
"when life gets complicated, I like to take a nap in a tree and wait for dinner" - Hobbes.
I literally just got around to compiling test11 an hour ago, and only because test8 oopsed on me yesterday. I'm about to reboot, quick glance at some news and 2.6.0 is out! grrr ;)
Chris "Ng" Jones
cmsj@tenshu.net
www.tenshu.net
theres no way im going to bed tonight!
many many thanks to the nerds who make this wonderful stuff possible
I just downloaded it from kernel.org at 648kB/s.
My preciousssssssssss...My precioussssssss 2.6...
SCOses can't haveses our precioussssssssssss kernel....
I guess it's download-n-compile time. I'll give any new download the benefit of the doubt so long as goatse isn't involved.
I'd rather be a conservative nutjob than a liberal with no nuts and no job.
do I have to send $699 to SCO if I already paid. I think this is a legitimate question that must be answered asap. I'm sure SCO will let us all know after the DDos has stopped against their network.
Looks like only a few minor bugfixes from test11 -> stable. But hey, I'm not complaining. This is definitely going in my next LFS build.
LOAD "SIG",8,1
I know, I know I should come up with better jokes ...
- People who believe other people have no right to live, got no right to live ...
Look at the evidence from the Changelog:
s hing.orgh otmail.com
mdharm-usb@one-eyed-alien.net
trini@kernel.cra
jes@trained-monkey.org
James_McMechan@
Now ask yourself, do you want a patch submitted by someone at "one-eyed-alien.net" running on *your* production server? Can we really trust patches submitted by people using Hotmail accounts?
Go back to Windows, and rest assured that every developer will be using a trusted microsoft.com e-mail address. Don't you feel safer already?
You want the truthiness? You can't handle the truthiness!
Now, the trick will be working it into my fresh install of Suse 9.0 Pro.
I just shed my training wheels the other day (Mandrake for 18 months) and am now moving forward with my continuing education in REAL operating systems.
Hey, Mandrake is a great system but I had to move on, I was stagnated almost into "click-n-drool" like I was on M$..
This will be my big test.
Pray for me brothers, I'm gonna need it!
Please use bit torrent, and leave your windows open! Help out the OSS movement by not letting /. MURDER kernel.org ;)
Thanks.
Error 407 - No creative sig found
From the following Cnet article:n efd_top
http://news.com.com/2100-7344_3-5127627.html?tag=
All these quotes apparently came from Mr. Morton himself.
"...the part of 2.6 that communicates with memory is less efficient, imposing a practical limit of 24GB of memory to the 32GB that 2.4 could handle. However, he believes that programmers will address the problem."
Is this reduced limit useful? Why should it be up to programmers to code around? Did I miss something?
"The new kernel also monitors for new events more frequently--1,000 times per second instead of 100--a fact that slows down the system about 1 percent..."
I assume it's to try and respond to events faster but increasing it tenfold, isn't that overkill? I mean, it slows the system down by 1% which isn't horrible and if a real-time app has a problem with it, you can always modify the kernel yourself but couldn't they have upped the polling to 250 which is a decent increase but not a 10x one.
"In addition, 2.6 requires somewhat more memory to run and shows worse performance when it has to use hard drives as extra memory under heavy loads... "
That seems reasonable that it needs a bit more memory but why should it see adverse effects under heavy loads as compared to the 2.4 kernel? Shouldn't they degrade at around the same level or are there some new file system issues that cause this?
Enlighten me.
You have to laugh at the anonymous jerks who have nothing better to do than hang out on slashdot and make fools of themselves -
In the first place, he is confused about the difference between a desktop environment and a kernel, but attempts to talk a good game anyway.
LOL, what sort of sad life do these trolls have?
is this Will Wheaton? Hi Wheaty!!!
(smooch)
love,
Eugenia
Mod the parent up, not this one. Just helping to call attention to it.
hussein@gandalf:~$ uname -a
:)
Linux gandalf 2.6.0-gandalf #2 Thu Dec 18 13:07:49 MYT 2003 i686 unknown unknown GNU/Linux
W00t! It rocks!
"Backups are for wimps. Real men upload their data to an FTP site and have everyone else mirror it." -- Linus Torvalds
Linux is fun. It is the best. I think that everyone should use Linux.
Merry Xmas!!!! everyone
Linux 2.6.0 is out
hope you like it
-- Linus Fan. =P
ALL YOUR CODE BELONGS TO US
What I still don't understand is why things like BSD Process Accounting are disabled by default, when in their description it says "This is generally a good idea so say yes here".
If it's generally a good idea, and you're telling me to say 'yes', then make this option the freaking default!
I'd rather be a conservative nutjob than a liberal with no nuts and no job.
My God, it's full of stars!
what happened to sprinkling penguin pee?
where'd my typewriter go?
But I just finished
compiling the 2 (point) 4
(point) 23 kernel!
So I subscribed to the lkml through Bloglines yesterday just to see what it was like and also to see when the -test12 was going to come out now that I finally managed to get -test11 working.
I was monitoring it all day today, I step away for a couple of hours to go home, and when I loaded the xml feed for the lkml, I saw one message: Linux 2.6.0, and thought "woo-hoo!".
Now all I have to do is download a nice small 11k patch (which I did on my crappy dial-up in between comment Previews) to get myself all nice and up-to-date, while you poor suckers struggle with your 40Mb download...[/smug]
Consultancy: If you're not part of the solution, there's money to be made in prolonging the problem
Click here for more information
..what I'm doing this holiday. I've got an itch and it's time to linux-from-scratch myself silly.
Not me, that's for sure. The results doesn't seem to be in yet.
Belief is the currency of delusion.
Hmmm, he, hmm hm, ha! he heh heh, ho ho ho, heh, hoowee!
Script the whole thing so by the time you get back from the movie you already have two or three hours of uptime on your new kernel. Or a newly non-functioning computer if something went awry...
Boffoonery - downloadable Comedy Benefit for Bletchley Park
http://mymirror.asiaosc.org/
Muchas Gracias, Señor Edward Snowden !
Yikes, I didn't realize everyone would get all prickly on me. Of course this is major news ... I've been a Linux user for over 5 years, so I know that. I was just making fun of the trolls who complain about every product announcement on Slashdot, no matter how major. Geez, no one can take a joke anymore. :)
Cheers,
IT
Power corrupts. PowerPoint corrupts absolutely.
Good point? Many of us don't know what the pre-empt...thangamuhwatchit features of 2.6.0 mean. For many it's still geekspeak. Will these new fangled inventions yield higher framerates on 3D apps such as FPS games?
Can someone please remove that crappy background image on kernel.org. Just plain white, thank you.
Wouldn't mind being 10 or 20 years younger, but Hey -- I'm spoiled as an American living in the age of vaccinations and teflon, with warm, reasonably waterproof and yet breathable synthetic fabrics, lemon-flavored prunes in resealable pouches, low-cost nearly instantaneous communications, etc, so ought not complain.
...
Happy birthday to you, too, when next one strikes
timothy
p.s. Good book, you might like: "The Making of the Atomic Bomb."
jrnl: http://tinyurl.com/c2l8yr / foes: http://tinyurl.com/ckjno5
My mirror of just 2.6.0.
Help us build a better map!
Slackware 9.1 and -current still come with LVM version 1. Kernel 2.6 requires LVM2. So Slack is still not 2.6-ready, at least for people with LVM'ed filesystems. Okay, for everybody else, it is. :)
"Spock, did you see the looks on their faces?" "Yes, Captain, a sort of vacant contentment."
I think this pretty much sums up the whole new kernel experience.
pcmcia-cs and madwifi finally work without making me pull my hair out. Hello, T-mobile hotspots...
Unfortunately the kernel I just compiled broke OSS so I guess I'll need to figure out how to make ALSA work.
All's true that is mistrusted
You would use gentoo-sources or gaming-sources! Heh.
Karma: It's all a bunch of tree-huggin' hippy crap!
Be sure to check the PGP signature if you download from an unofficial mirror.
Instructions here.
If you believe in social darwinism who will work in the factories and do the jobs you do not want to do when all the weaklings are gone?
Reuters - December 18 - Shares of Logitech surged on unexpectedly high sales figures released by the keyboard maker. Customers at CompUSA refused to comment.
Will that run on Windows XP?
That sounds delicious!
Will the 2.6 finally fix the problem with that 120GB NTFS beauty with all that precious data, so linux can read it?
I mean I went there but there's no trusted computing logo. How can I trust software if it doesn't say I should. Linux will never be ready for the desktop until it's part of a trusted computing initiative.
...that's how most people will understand it. They don't realize that the logo means that others can trust the computer not to do what you want, should that be something they don't want.
I'm still praying that people will learn from experience. Don't seem they'll learn much any other way at least...
Kjella
Live today, because you never know what tomorrow brings
I bet a knoppix-derived or other debian-based live-CD distro with a 2.6 kernel would garner some :)
...
...
I finally figured out (well, found a workaround for, anyhow) a bizarre sound problem on my Toshiba laptop* -- before that, I was holding out hope that 2.6 would contain a magical fix -- but a nice minimalistic, ultra-up-to-date, (but installable) live CD would still be nice. Wonder when a new Knoppix will be out
timothy
* in my case, on a Satellite 1005, both the main volume level and the PCM volume level have to be to be set to 100 percent, then backed off to more reasonable listening levels, or there's no sound at all
jrnl: http://tinyurl.com/c2l8yr / foes: http://tinyurl.com/ckjno5
Every 2.6 test kernel broke support for framebuffer consoles on my Radeon card. That is a total showstopper for me, since one of my main reasons for using linux is so that I can have the terminal characteristics that are offered by such a frame buffer console. I don't really want to shop for another video card just so that I can upgrade to the 2.6 kernel, and it doesn't look like this is ever going to be fixed. I personally think it is a serious enough bug that it should have prevented any even numbered release.
Maybe it's been fixed from the last test and now, but I don't see it in the changelog.
What I'd rather have is a 2.4 kernel with the preempt stuff, the easy ALSA integration, and ACPI support that works on my laptop. I'd also like the Radeon FB driver that is in 2.4, which works fine, in the 2.6 kernel.
-fb Everything not expressly forbidden is now mandatory.
I just finished downloading 2.6.0-test11 1.5 hours ago and then I see this. Anyhow, I downloaded the path test11->final, recompiled, and rebooted:
Linux boxor 2.6.0 #3 Wed Dec 17 23:53:09 EST 2003 i686 unknown unknown GNU/Linux
My Radeon binary drivers wouldn't work at first with it on my nforce2 motherboard but I've just found patches in Gentoo's portage tree. I'm currentely running Linux 2.6.0 final on an nforce2 computer with hw 3d acceleration enabled on my Radeon 9600 pro!
There are 2 kinds of people in this world: Those who write in decimal and those who don't
Does anybody have a howto for how I can migrate my four LVM version 1.0.7 volumes from 2.4.23 to 2.6.0? I know LVM has been replaced by device-mapper. Do I have to run some kind of conversion tool, or will device mapper just magically find my LVMs? I can't find any information on this.
But remember do not install it if you do not have a real up to date distro! Module tools have been upgraded and are incompatible with older versions. You can wreck your system if your not carefull."
Well following me own advice, Gentoo as well as Redhat 9 are incompatible with the new module format of 2.6!
When copying bzImage to
Or create a lilo bootdisk. I find it much easier to work with then grub and is perfect to test things out like new kernels.
Hope that helps.
http://saveie6.com/
Proof that kernel developers read Slashdot, too.
By responding, you are the fool.
asl?
From the "should-fix " list that was ignored for 2.6 release:
:(
drivers/net/wireless/
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
(Jean Tourrilhes )
o get latest orinoco changes from David.
PRIORITY 1
2.6 is still using sucky wireless drivers that lock up the system when the wireless hub goes down!
I guess I'll wait for 2.6.5 for this to be fixed
Should kernel.org be slow for you, use a mirror, such as this one.
Kind of says something about Windows 95, no? That a OS for Commodore 64s is almost as usable. :)
One of the additions to this kernal that caught my eye as I was reading a summary was the addition of Hyperthreading.
I was actually confused by this as the article's wording made it seem that the new kernel could give this ability to ANY processor instead of just the Pentium 4.
I'm not too keen on processor technology and what is/is not possible, but is this true or did I misinterpret the wording of the article?
If how I interpreted it correctly, that's such an awesome addition being able to take your single CPU and making Virtual CPUs from it to balance processing load.
We have secretly replaced these Slashdot mods' sense of humor with a rusty nail. Let's see if they notice!!
At the very least you'll want to su to root and perform the following:
/sysfs
mkdir
to get the full benefits of the new device handling (udev + sysfs)
Now I know what to get my girlfriend for Christmas!
Well following me own advice, Gentoo as well as Redhat 9 are incompatible with the new module format of 2.6!
No they're not, you just need to install module-init-tools. It sits along-side modutils just fine so you can boot back into 2.4.x if you need to without any breakage.
Its really the first industrial strength version to compete agaisnt the big Unixies like Solaris and Aix.
For a desktop, real time support.
Its a big upgrade with mostly server oriented features but it should be a nicer desktop OS
Ahhh...so NOW it's ready for enterprise and desktop level use. But isn't that been the party line for a couple of years now? "Linux is ready"
"No reason not to change right now"
"You're a fool if you don't"
"Get the M$ monkey off your back"
"Why would anyone not run it everywhere?"
But remember do not install it if you do not have a real up to date distro! Module tools have been upgraded and are incompatible with older versions. You can wreck your system if your not carefull.
hmm..maybe not just yet.
I had heard that certain things that were fixed in the mm tree weren't put in the kernel, at least through test11. Does this mean there will be an upcoming mm patch for the final kernel, or since Andrew Morton is managing, is mm in this?
Got my speedy BitTorrent download, thanks. But how do I check it's validity? No MD5 to download from kernel.org? Use the .sign - read http://www.kernel.org/signature.html
Forget thrust, drag, lift and weight. Airplanes fly because of money.
There will always be plenty of weaklings.
When compared to 2.4, is version 2.6 slower or faster on small machines ?
Muchas Gracias, Señor Edward Snowden !
"The new kernel also monitors for new events more frequently--1,000 times per second instead of 100--a fact that slows down the system about 1 percent..."
I assume it's to try and respond to events faster but increasing it tenfold, isn't that overkill? I mean, it slows the system down by 1% which isn't horrible and if a real-time app has a problem with it, you can always modify the kernel yourself but couldn't they have upped the polling to 250 which is a decent increase but not a 10x one.
Polling 100 times a second has been the standard figure in the Linux kernel for a long long time. Meanwhile, the top CPU speed has increased by much more than one order of magnitude (say 300MHz -> 3GHz). Most desktop distributions have already been shipping with this set to 1000 already, since it makes the machine overall more responsive, something that's particularly important for a GUI.
I'm guessing that on a top-of-the line server pushing bits to this disk here, that NIC there at very high speeds, it'd be just as good as the old setting, keeping buffers flowing. That 1% quote is completely without context, and might be true on a really low-end machine where 1000 context switches takes up a lot of CPU time, but overall I don't think that's accurate.
Edit: I found this quote on a google search:
"I don't know what the costs of a higher HZ value might be, except for the obvious one: more cpu cycles will be spent servicing the timer interrupt. On my PPro, servicing the timer interrupt takes around 1500 cycles, so with HZ = 100 this accounts for fraction of a percent of the processor's time. With HZ = 1024, this still wouldn't be much more than one percent (I expect the figures to be similar for a K6)." So that figure might be accurate for a 150MHz Pentium Pro...
If you're running an embedded system or something else on limited hardware, you'd probably want to tweak that now, but then again you probably should have tweaked a lot of kernel settings in the past as well. So nothing new here, just staying with the times. Hell, on a GUI machine I'd consider experimenting with setting it even higher.
Kjella
Live today, because you never know what tomorrow brings
Linus Torvalds himself said to not use it for a couple of builds.
S W
0 .
http://linuxtoday.com/developer/2003112400826NWKN
"There is still something strange going on that seems to be triggered by preemption, so for now we suggest not enabling CONFIG_PREEMPT if you want the highest stability. On the other hand, I'd love to have more testing, so that we can try to figure out what the pattern is - but please mention explicitly that you ran with preemption if you have problems."
Someone else reported that it was just a mistake on the part of one of the testers, which was revealed http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.kernel/16319
Who is a troll -- a person who follows what Linus says in official annoucements, or some random person who says, "works for me" in a rude way?
--
Internet Explorer (n): Another bug -- that is, a feature that can't be turned off -- in Windows.
Just save it in place of your NTLDR file and you're on your way.
Very cool!
Any idea when the Win XP version will be coming out?
beside LFS, which distribution could be most forgiving for trying out this new kernel without crashing totally? Debian, Slackware or something else?
Preserve old classics: copy your collection onto all hard drives.
-make xconfig looks really professional now /etc/modules.conf contains only OSS aliases, no alsa config files at all. so no sound at the moment...
-make / make modules / make modules_install has all been tidied up by the looks of it -- no more endless printout of GCC syntax. had me worried for a second that nothing was compiling but overall looks pretty slick
-alsa comes installed as default, but the configuration seems a little screwy (on debian at least) --
-usb mouse doesn't seem to work here when compiled in the kernel, but works fine as a module -- same problem i've had with 2.4.18-23
-the nvidia 2.6.0 patch available at minion.de works great, so i have a functional X11 server with nvidia modules
The only thing I can find to fault is that somehow the X11 server on the backup 2.4.23 kernel crashes on bootup due to some problem parsing the XF86Config-4 file. I'm not sure if this is a side-effect of the 2.6.0 install or something else (maybe some apt-get update X11 changes i missed?), and i've had the occasional problem before with older kernels becoming only partly functional after newer kernels are installed.
All around though, nice job! Compiling the kernel is getting easier and nicer to look at. And it seems the problems with mouse lagging during 100% CPU usage are gone, at least as far as I've tried it this evening.
Thanks to Linus and all that contributed..
experimental audiovideo minimalism: Rebuild All Your Ruins
We have so much computing power and yet we are forced to write detailed changelogs of what effect we have caused in the software we write. Ironically, the computer is what executes the compiled version of what we have wrote. The semantics seem to be missing... if we make source code more semantically aware, could the computer more easily figure out what we have done?
So then there musn't be any social Darwinism.
"Hopefully it's coffee that's on the keyboard this time..."
I'm certain CompactDick keeps a clean keyboard.
this text is pasted from a mail i sent to the smbfs maintainer. i have not received an answer, didn't really expect one at this time, but maybe somebody else has encountered and solved this problem. could you point out what i missed?
--
sorry to bother you this late in the 2.6 test series, but i wondered whether this change in smbfs behaviour was intended (or how it could be affected by mount options, etc):
during my using the 2.4.x kernels, i mainly used smbfs as a convenient way to access various data which was not located in subdirectories of the mount source, but symlinked from other server directories. i think this is also the behaviour the user experiences when mounting from other operating systems.
with 2.6.x (can't remember 2.5.x...) clients i have been unable to mount the same sources in a similar way, symlinks would still appear as symlinks, making the linked data much more difficult to access.
could you tell me whether i missed a mount option or this diverging behaviour is intentional?
Rather silly that the long awaited 2.6 release news flash is right next to an open source possibilities for Iraq article! The poor middle eastern linux users will have to learn howto make menue config first, not to mention try to download the source, ouch!
OH THE SHAME I fell off the wagon and use sigs again!
Anyone upgraded and have a joystick working on the sound card joystick port? :)
For the fact that the entire linux community just started downloading the same 100 meg file...the server runs amazing. When 2.4 came out I think we toasted it right quick.
snowulf.com
"ALSA is the default for sound in this version. "
And yet for some reason my Audigy isn't detected and I have to manually load the emu10kl driver to have sound. Using the OSS settings.
ACPI as acts a bit weird. I have the occasional message about IRQ 7 being disabled. HDB gets a "lost interrupt" on a regular basis. BTTV0 gets "skipped frame" out the wazzo (but it doesn't appear to show).
KDE doesn't let go of my cdroms unless I quit the environment. Gnome doesn't have this problem.
But on the bright side, it no longer lags when the load gets high.
Bravo, sir!
Linux 2.6.0! I foresee great things in the very near future! -=gazing into crystal ball=-
Codifex Maximus ~ In search of... a shorter sig.
It may have been fixed now but I would not recommend upgrading module-init-tools blindly as they could cause problems like I had.
It is rumored Fedora has fixed this.
http://saveie6.com/
Has anyone who uses gigabit ethernet tried the upgrade and compared the network performance to the 2.4 kernel?
Wh47 d1d j00 541, 31337 15n't t3h r0xor5 ne m0r3???
I could not belive my eyes when i saw the post. I knew it was coming any time this month but i allways comes as a supprise when i get the news. This is so great. I wonder what major distro will get it first.
You might want to keep an eye on your 2.6.0 machine if it's on a network that's readily accessible to the outside world. Apparently not all of the security fixes that occurred in the 2.4 line have made it into 2.6.0.
Dave Jones' post halloween document, which is mentioned in an earlier post as a good summary of changes, mentions the following (near the bottom):
Security concerns.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Several security issues solved in 2.4 may not yet be forward ported
to 2.6. For this reason 2.6.x kernels should not be tested on
untrusted systems. Testing known 2.4 exploits and reporting results
is useful.
fedora isn't even a real release yet.
Is this just the result of a bunch of Redhat fanboys, or is Redhat doing some astroturfing?
Redhat: the Redmond of the linux world!
With a new kernel, there goes Linux's overall uptime statistics when compared to other OSs on Netcraft.
even sadder is the fact that that post was modded as flamebait. That cracks me up. Sarcasm indeed...
Hi, I'm using an acm-ppp device and the Badness/kernel panic bug still exists, this has been there since 2.5.something and has not been patched. It's very annoying, fills syslog with Badness output and eventually disables pppd with k-panic.
As shown below.
Dec 18 01:30:12 ubik kernel: cdc_acm 3-3:1.0: ttyACM0: USB ACM deviceBadness in local_bh_enable at kernel/softirq.c:121Dec 18 01:30:12 ubik kernel: Call Trace:
Dec 18 01:30:12 ubik kernel: [local_bh_enable+133/144] local_bh_enable+0x85/0x90
Dec 18 01:30:12 ubik kernel: [__crc_blk_start_queue+1169403/2870650] ppp_async_input+0x2d7/0x5a0 [ppp_async]
Dec 18 01:30:12 ubik kernel: [__crc_blk_start_queue+1166374/2870650] ppp_asynctty_receive+0x52/0xb0 [ppp_async]
Dec 18 01:30:12 ubik kernel: [flush_to_ldisc+160/272] flush_to_ldisc+0xa0/0x110
Dec 18 01:30:12 ubik kernel: [__crc_sleep_on+1947600/2407885] acm_read_bulk+0xbf/0x140 [cdc_acm]
Dec 18 01:30:12 ubik kernel: [__crc_blk_start_queue+162921/2870650] usb_hcd_giveback_urb+0x25/0x40 [usbcore]
Dec 18 01:30:12 ubik kernel: [__crc_blk_start_queue+1216947/2870650] dl_done_list+0x11f/0x130 [ohci_hcd]
Dec 18 01:30:12 ubik kernel: [__crc_blk_start_queue+1219352/2870650] ohci_irq+0x84/0x170 [ohci_hcd]
Dec 18 01:30:12 ubik kernel: [__crc_blk_start_queue+163002/2870650] usb_hcd_irq+0x36/0x60 [usbcore]
Dec 18 01:30:12 ubik kernel: [handle_IRQ_event+58/112] handle_IRQ_event+0x3a/0x70
Dec 18 01:30:12 ubik kernel: [do_IRQ+145/304] do_IRQ+0x91/0x130
Dec 18 01:30:12 ubik kernel: [rest_init+0/96] _stext+0x0/0x60
Dec 18 01:30:12 ubik kernel: [common_interrupt+24/32] common_interrupt+0x18/0x20
Dec 18 01:30:12 ubik kernel: [rest_init+0/96] _stext+0x0/0x60
Dec 18 01:30:12 ubik kernel: [default_idle+35/48] default_idle+0x23/0x30
Dec 18 01:30:12 ubik kernel: [cpu_idle+44/64] cpu_idle+0x2c/0x40
Dec 18 01:30:12 ubik kernel: [start_kernel+332/352] start_kernel+0x14c/0x160
Dec 18 01:30:12 ubik kernel: [unknown_bootoption+0/256] unknown_bootoption+0x0/0x100
Dec 18 01:30:12 ubik kernel:
Dec 18 01:30:12 ubik kernel: Badness in local_bh_enable at kernel/softirq.c:121
Dec 18 01:30:12 ubik kernel: Call Trace:
Dec 18 01:30:12 ubik kernel: [local_bh_enable+133/144] local_bh_enable+0x85/0x90
Dec 18 01:30:12 ubik kernel: [__crc_blk_start_queue+1166389/2870650] ppp_asynctty_receive+0x61/0xb0 [ppp_async]
Dec 18 01:30:12 ubik kernel: [flush_to_ldisc+160/272] flush_to_ldisc+0xa0/0x110
Dec 18 01:30:12 ubik kernel: [__crc_sleep_on+1947600/2407885] acm_read_bulk+0xbf/0x140 [cdc_acm]
Dec 18 01:30:12 ubik kernel: [__crc_blk_start_queue+162921/2870650] usb_hcd_giveback_urb+0x25/0x40 [usbcore]
Dec 18 01:30:12 ubik kernel: [__crc_blk_start_queue+1216947/2870650] dl_done_list+0x11f/0x130 [ohci_hcd]
Dec 18 01:30:12 ubik kernel: [__crc_blk_start_queue+1219352/2870650] ohci_irq+0x84/0x170 [ohci_hcd]
Dec 18 01:30:12 ubik kernel: [__crc_blk_start_queue+163002/2870650] usb_hcd_irq+0x36/0x60 [usbcore]
Dec 18 01:30:12 ubik kernel: [handle_IRQ_event+58/112] handle_IRQ_event+0x3a/0x70
Dec 18 01:30:12 ubik kernel: [do_IRQ+145/304] do_IRQ+0x91/0x130
Dec 18 01:30:12 ubik kernel: [rest_init+0/96] _stext+0x0/0x60
Dec 18 01:30:12 ubik kernel: [common_interrupt+24/32] common_interrupt+0x18/0x20
Dec 18 01:30:12 ubik kernel: [rest_init+0/96] _stext+0x0/0x60
Dec 18 01:30:12 ubik kernel: [default_idle+35/48] default_idle+0x23/0x30
Dec 18 01:30:12 ubik kernel: [cpu_idle+44/64] cpu_idle+0x2c/0x40
Dec 18 01:30:12 ubik kernel: [start_kernel+332/352] start_kernel+0x14c/0x160
Dec 18 01:30:12 ubik kernel: [unknown_bootoption+0/256] unknown_bootoption+0x0/0x100
Dec 18 01:30:12 ubik kernel:
I know I do. :)
While we're on the subject, does anyone know if Deb testing is 2.6 friendly? I assume it is, but just looking to see what the experiences are of the people who've played with it already.
Maybe this version will make me popular with women.
Anyone know if 2.6 has better power management for laptops? -- the speedstep chip I've got goes for hours in Windows, and for an hour in Linux.
Vaya con huevos, my darling.
Basically, by the time that RedHat and so on decide to ship 2.6, you are getting "Service Pack 1". Saying a RedHat build of a new kernel is equal to "Service Pack 1" is like saying your car is broken in when you have to re-build your engine.
RedHat's kernels are proprietary releases for the RedHat software package.
Anyone else is betatesting.
there were 11 -test's for final beta testing. and only god remembers know's how many pre's and other public beta's there were.
Quit bring an ass dude...
-KayBo
Use it to download
the nice, shiny, new kernel
and then start again
"Proudly Posting Without Reading The Article"
Taken directly from kernel.org: Up since: Wed Apr 16 13:06:45 2003
Load Average: 32.28 31.33 29.03 (1517 processes)
Ram: 5950784KB
Free: 7488KB
Current bandwidth utilization 252.09 Mbit/s
Do you care about the security of your wireless mouse?
http://www.kniggit.net/wwol26.html
seems to be a pretty comprehensive description.
Does anybody have a howto on how I can migrate my LVM version 1.0.7 volumes from 2.4.23 to 2.6.0? I know LVM has been replaced by device-mapper. Do I have to run some kind of conversion tool, or will device mapper just magically find and activate my LVMs? I can't find any information on this.
Date: Thu Dec 18 2003 - 00:15:50 EST
---cut---
Desktops and laptops may have more trouble at this time because of the much wider range of hardware and because of as-yet unimplemented fixes for the hardware and BIOS bugs from which these machines tend to suffer.
During the 2.6.0 stabilization period a significant number of less serious fixes have accumulated in various auxiliary kernel trees and these shall be merged into the 2.6 stream after the 2.6.0 release. Many of these fixes appear in Andrew Morton's "-mm" tree (...)
---cut---
Should invading one's peaceful neighbours be opposed, or rewarded with trade deals?
Just wondering. I've heard ATI's drivers have the necessary s3 texture compression support.
Hi! I make Firefox Plug-ins. Check 'em out @ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/youtube-mp3-podcaster/
- If you find your keyboard/mouse still don't work, edit the file
drivers/input/serio/i8042.c, and replace the #undef DEBUG
with a #define DEBUG, recompile and reinstall.
The best line from the haloween docs.
.. 'I have changed all of the old SCSI drivers to mmapped' is *not* mentioned in the changelog, so I gather they are still broken. Worse still, 'fixing passive ISDN device drivers' isn't mentioned at all, so it will probably take a couple more releases before I can get my phone call logger and answering machine going. Or I could learn C, spend weeks reading the sources and do it myself, of course.
JeR
Isn't that obvious?
I got the kernel to compile with icc-8.0! Woohoo!
I have an Asus A7M266-D with an AMD 760 MPX chipset. I just upgraded to 2.6.0 - everything seemed fine, kernel booted with no issues, but AGP support is apparently broken. Upon loading my ATI FireGL drivers (rebuilt against the latest kernel, and configured to use the kernel's AGP GART rather than ATI's), I get a kernel OOPS (null pointer dereference) in the AGP GART driver (specifically when it enables AGP 4x transfer mode on device 01:05.0 - my video card. Enabling AGP4X on the northbridge reported success, but when it gets to the card itself, crash time!)
:)
Has anyone had similar experiences with the new kernel? I'd like to see if it's just my configuration, my video drivers (though the ATI drivers had no AGP problems and were rock solid under 2.4, and claim to support 2.6, you never know...), or something else. I know that the AGP subsystem has had a major overhaul in 2.6 and the bugs are still being ironed out, but it'd be nice to know what to blame.
And if something in my post doesn't make sense, it's 1:45 AM over here (GMT -08:00), so I have an excuse
Every cloud has a silver lining (except for the mushroom shaped ones, which have a lining of Iridium & Strontium 90)
But performance as far as the end user is concerned is not significantly different as far as I can see.
Maybe there's little difference between preempt and not, but the 2.4 to 2.6 "end user" difference is huge.
I've just fired 2.6 up on my old Duron 1100, and my gosh it's fast. The desktop is fair screaming now. I used to have to wait a few seconds just to get a Gnome terminal up - now I don't. I can only imagine how instant KDE 3.2 response would be.
Forget thrust, drag, lift and weight. Airplanes fly because of money.
Is is just me or is there something 'odd' about 2.6.0 being released on the same day 5.2 is expected to be finalised.
maybe a bit of friendly competition????
It is noteworthy to point out that the one Linux kernel tree support all architectures and scales from small embedded to multiproccessor monsters. This dispite the August 2000 claims of the then SCO CEO Ransom Love.
SCO's legal case against any end users of the Linux kernel 2.6.X+ is further screwed.
But this would only make linux geeks age faster as it takes them 7 days and nights to configure ipsec while a 10 year with MS does it in 15 minutes. Sorry copy cats !!!
Damn Red Hat for being successful! Grrrr...hah, lay off. Red Hat has done tons for Linux.
If you want to be safe, build your kernel in a sandbox. Just keep the cats away.
"No, no, Mr. Kitty, you're looking for the Windows box over in the corner."
Since I have a mix of windows and linux boxes, I use smbfs quite a bit. Kernel 2.6 provides three to four times the speed of a 2.4 kernel. Don't know why, if it is better network handling or what, but it is definitely significantly faster.
Other than that ALSA is my major buying point.
The preempt stuff is good too. It doesn't really seem any snappier here, but there is no lockups any more where you have to wait for the kernel to complete some disk access or whatever, now you just get your response quicker.
So Fedora Core 1 that came out November 5th, 2003 is not a real release??
but my point is that the quality of bugs has been pretty high lately - Linus
;)
We have bugs... but at least they are *high quality* bugs! Take that Microsoft
(Congrats to all the developers for 2.6! Looking forward to getting rid of OSS and ide-scsi!)
RedHat's kernels are proprietary releases for the RedHat software package.
.0 releases" is that in my eyes, the -testXX's are beta releases, and the .0-~.5 are "release candidates", that seems to serve me quite well in my system admin duties.
Proprietary they ain't.
You can download the Redhat kernel's source code if you feel so inclined (gentoo has a handy "emerge redhat-sources"), all their patches etc... are considered a derived work of the linux kernel and therefore are covered under the GPL licence conditions.
My take on the whole "don't use
The biggest bonus I got from 2.6 was DMA with ATAPI commands finally works. Earlier kernels would not use DMA for ATAPI commands (read: CD/DVD burning commands) even if DMA was enabled for the IDE device. This effectively limited CD burning to the speed that PIO would work at, which was about 12x on my 900Mhz K7. It also ate up your entire CPU.
:)
With 2.6, DMA works properly with ATAPI commands, at least when using the new ATAPI virtual SCSI bus (NOT the ide-scsi module!). To use the new virtual bus, use 'dev=ATAPI:0,0,0' in a cdrecord command. You may also need to use the latest alpha of cdrecord.
I can now burn 2 CDs at once (multiple burners), at 52x without my CPU load going over 0.2!
Of course, if you had the luxury of using REAL SCSI CD burners before, this won't make a lick of difference to you.
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Mr Proper's doing funroll loops!
And the difference is 0.2 :-)
:-)
Just my $0.02
Does it go 2.10 or 2.X ? Coz that looks like it's not as good as 2.2 ...
Ok - half of this question is tongue-in-cheek but I am pseudo serious
Two wrongs may not make a right, but three
I can hardly contain my excrement! Kudos and mucho gracias to the dedicated!
From excellent karma to terible karma with a single +5 funny post...
As least it's not LotD:RotK -
Lord of the Dance:Release of the Kernel
From Dave Jones' document: ... /proc/sys/kernel/core_pattern file.
...
Enhanced coredumping.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
- 2.6 offers you the ability to configure the way core files are
named through a
You can use various format identifiers in this name to affect
how the core dump is named.
%p - insert pid into filename
%u - insert current uid into filename
%g - insert current gid into filename
%s - insert signal that caused the coredump into the filename
%t - insert UNIX time that the coredump occurred into filename
%h - insert hostname where the coredump happened into filename
%e - insert coredumping executable name into filename
You should ensure that the string does not exceed 64 bytes.
- Multithreaded processes can now dump core
How ready is it? Is there a site that breaks down which hardware drivers support/do not support the sleep states? I remember during the test releases it was documented that many drivers had not yet been updated to support the sleep states.
APM support has gotten me so far, but some things on this laptop would be more doable if I had acpi support, and I have another laptop which doesn't support apm at all.
XML is like violence. If it doesn't solve the problem, use more.
...anecdotal evidence. So do we have any real scientific stress tests of Linux's NTFS write capability? With all due respect, the parent post sounds like "I tried it once, and it worked! => Linux NTFS support is perfect"
So does it work:
a) Sometimes
b) All the time (we hope... maybe)
c) Good enough for common users
d) Production quality
On a wild guess, I don't think it'd d) just yet...
Kjella
Live today, because you never know what tomorrow brings
So MS at least for the techies doesn't do the insane numbering either. Sure they do it for consumers who only see the logo but consumers are idiots anyway.
Not defending MS but fair is fair. I think they may go to 6.* for Longhorn. Or "Windows 2011" for the people in the street.
MMO Quests are like orgasms:
You may solo them, I prefer them in a group.
Fedora Core 1 IS a real release. I haven't tried it myself, so I don't know if it's any good, but it IS a release.
Slow down, cowboy! It has been 4 hours since you last posted. You must wait another few hours.
Effing yesterday I was twiddling some config options in my kernel to see if I could get a cleaner boot-up on my laptop, so I popped over to ftp.us.kernel.org to see if there was something later than 2.6 test 11 out there. There wasn't, so I tweaked and compiled my test11 image with quite satisfactory results. Now I'm going to have to do it all again *sigh*...
I'm trying to teach myself to set people on fire with my mind... Is it hot in here?
It can also use 2.4.
http://www.linux.org.uk/~davej/docs/post-halloween -2.6.txt
Direct booting from floppy is no longer supported.
You should now use a boot loader program such as syslinux instead.
"make bzdisk" continues to work (now using syslinux).
Does this mean what I think it does? No more floppy boot disks? Or am I misreading?
reech bee-yond ur clip-0n
Was I the only one who initially thought this read "The biggest boner I got from 2.6 was..."?
Towards the Singularity.
Hey bud, bugger off we're trying to celebrate here. I've been burning cd's with 2.4 ever since I started with Linux, back on 2.4.18 (I think, heh not very long ago). And burning is built into Nautilus now, just like it is in Explorer. Funny, I don't have any use for it though.
Can anyone explain what the following means and how one might determine an optimal setting for a particular use?:
/proc/sys/vm/swappiness defines the kernel's preference for pagecache over
-
mapped memory. Setting it to 100 (percent) makes it treat both types of
memory equally. Setting it to zero makes the kernel very much prefer to
reclaim plain pagecache rather than mapped-into-pagetables memory.
Amazing magic tricks
You can still make boot disks, but it requires on of the boot loaders: grub,lilo, syslinux or another in order to boot. the code in question in the ernel to support direct booting from a floopy was apparently removed.
at last we have default alsa. ding dong the evil oss-free witch is dead!
so when's planet-ccrma going to update to 2.6?
music - http://www.subatomicglue.com
I've been running 2.6.0-test5 on my laptop and one of two dual-processor "cycle hogs", and it has been rock solid for the magnetohydrodynamic simulations and telescope data reduction I've been working on. Then again, number crunching doesn't really exercise the more esoteric stuff like ACPI support.
Linux 2.6.0 kernel, Now with more SCO IP!
- i hope the OSS driver now supports the Neomagic audio chipset properly... it's been a while since i had sound working in my 390X (i guess i could pop for the binary drivers)... - am looking forward to using the new kernel!
I thought direct booting was disabled long long ago, as it hasn't been used much in recent years. AFAIK, in the olden days you could just copy the kernel image to a floppy (using dd etc.) to make it bootable.
Escher was the first MC and Giger invented the HR department.
I use vanilla 2.4 on gentoo. My nvidia card works fine too, so I dunno what the parent was talking about. Anyway, what's the benefit of using their sources? I've always used vanilla sources, am I missing out on something?
Give me Classic Slashdot or give me death!
Wow, 2.6 has a card reader driver? Where's the source? I want to see how it handles Hollerith-to-ASCII conversion.
Yeah, it was put there intentionally by the illuminated conspirators.
Escher was the first MC and Giger invented the HR department.
I know you could do it with 2.4 bzImage kernels, as long as they were below a certain size limit. If they were too big, however (I don't recall the exact size limit), it just wouldn't work.
Sam: "That was needlessly cryptic."
Max: "I'd be peeing my pants if I wore any!"
What about USB CD Burners?
Like VeloCD from TDK (http://www.velocd.tdk.com/(
Follow the numbers at The Linux Counter!
Seems very nice on my old K6-2 450mhz
Hopefully it'll turn out to be stable.
Treehugger? Treehugger... Treehugger!
What does it stand for? Is it something to do with X's direct rendering drivers? Why would it be a character device?
--grendel drago
Laws do not persuade just because they threaten. --Seneca
I'm glad I took the advice of someone's sig and started reading with a +6 bonus to flamebait.
Well, if you refrain from doing anything useful, interesting or exciting with the new kernel, it'll be just as good as Trusted Computing. And cheaper!
--grendel drago
Laws do not persuade just because they threaten. --Seneca
I don't think the OSS layer changed much between 2.4 and 2.6
As Linux now uses Alsa, you could check here:
http://www.alsa-project.org/
Ernest J.W. ter Kuile
would that limit be : 1.4M ? ;^)
Ernest J.W. ter Kuile
Also, I hate how people say "oh, well, it was only a local exploit..." It shows they dont understand the methodology used by malicious hackers. You use one flaw to give you remote access, then leverage that remote access into exploiting the local access flaw.
How else do you think Debian was hacked with a mere local access exploit?
Manipulate the moderator system! Mod someone as "overrated" today.
2.6.0 includes a driver I wrote for an older Gravis gamepad system called the "Grip Multiport". It lets up to 4 people play multiplayer games using SNES-style gamepads.
The multiport used to cost > $100; now you can pick up a hub and 4 gamepads on ebay for under $10.
For more details, follow this link.
It damn certainly is real release, and better than any RHL before.
Of course stupid anti-rh trolls think all positive comments about something they want to hate (without ever even trying) is "astroturfing" or being fanboy.
Of course, nobody pays any attention to you morons any more, keep on trolling if it amuses you.
Single make thread = 12'51'' ... = 7'2"
make -j3
dual Athlon MP 2400 scsi/raid. Not stock - turned on all the drivers to support my system.
tcboo
The gentoo sources 'feel' faster. The gaming sources 'feel' faster than the gentoo sources, probably because of the kernel preempt patch, which is now part of 2.6 anyway, so there's no big deal anymore.
I'm yet to see what Gentoo are planning to hack into 2.6. :-)
Karma: It's all a bunch of tree-huggin' hippy crap!
This all works first time !. Even networking works and mkinitrd stuff. Cool. Certainly looking good for production use quite quickly.
That would be like putting a Farrari engine into a Chevy Cavalier. Might go like stink till you hit a corner!
OH THE SHAME I fell off the wagon and use sigs again!
It's not nearly as stable as RH9 is. For the life of me I couldn't get FC1 to work on a dual-Xeon with HT enabled. It would crash randomly between 2-48h after boot up with no hint, no oops, no panic, nothing. Just a hung machine. RH9 on that very same machine has been flawless.
I like the yum system though, and FC1 does work very well on single-CPU systems.
--I just compared the BT md5sum with one DL'ed from kernel.org:
/mnt/scsi2/torrent $ time md5sum linux-2.6.0.tar.bz25 6cc linux-2.6.0.tar.bz2
5 6cc linux-2.6.0.tar.bz2
BT:
c9e73737002521a347d2e6617beb
kernel.org:
~/dnld $ time md5sum linux-2.6.0.tar.bz2
c9e73737002521a347d2e6617beb
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== WolfriderV6 == I'm willing to admit that *I just might* be wrong... Are you??
It's not nearly as stable as RH9 is. For the life of me I couldn't get FC1 to work on a dual-Xeon with HT enabled. It would crash randomly between 2-48h after boot up with no hint, no oops, no panic, nothing. Just a hung machine. RH9 on that very same machine has been flawless.
I like the yum system though, and FC1 does work very well on single-CPU systems.
Yup. I haven't ran this on SMP machines so it might be you're right about those. Have you tried all the weird tricks, disabling ACPI and APIC, etc?
I've only had one crash on a single-CPU box during the time FC1 has been installed (from just about right after launch). And even that one might wery well have been from nvidia binary drivers.
Ah, but you're probably part of the conspiracy too! Now where did I put that tinfoil hat...
Basically summarizes to this: * matroxfb doesn't work * ide-scsi doesn't work * the mouse is weird but it can be fixed with a boot option but then the wheel doesn't work I bet there are even more issues so I guess I'll keep using 2.4.
--Ah, you can stop looking for it - I took it. Mwahahahaha!!
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== WolfriderV6 == I'm willing to admit that *I just might* be wrong... Are you??
I'm wondering when Cisco will release it's VPN-modules for the 2.6-Kernel. I Asked some while ago and they didn't seamed very interessted - but, i need it!
craesh
- thanks! it is comforting to know that one can turn to the ALSA folks for help (i've used ALSA on other laptops, such as the Sony C1XS) - appreciate your pointer
Wolfrider:
:)
... it's fun to go into a computer store and (with permission) reboot with one in a computer's drive.
By coincidence, I downloaded (the current) Mepis shortly before reading your comment here. Have not yet had a chance to burn / use it, but I'm hoping it's up to the hype
Live-CD distros are really quite amazing in what they include
timothy
jrnl: http://tinyurl.com/c2l8yr / foes: http://tinyurl.com/ckjno5
No, it was around 1.0 MB, actually. I don't recall the exact reasoning for that limit, but I know that I could fit GRUB and an over-1 MB kernel on a floppy, but couldn't boot from the same kernel dd'd onto a floppy, and that was the reason why.
Sam: "That was needlessly cryptic."
Max: "I'd be peeing my pants if I wore any!"
Real geeks have long since compiled -test11, and so need to download only a tiny diff to compile 2.6.0 ....
Those who can, do. Those who can't, consult.
I have tried all the weird tricks to no avail. Many have logged similar issues on bugzilla so I assume this is known (but not corrected yet AFAIK).