--...and that technology will eventually trickle down for others to use as well for non-military uses.
I know you're right, but as we get farther into technology, I have to keep wondering if we're going to be around for it to trickle down to. We're getting into things that I consider frightening at this point, bio-warfare for example. I have to think that if we spent more money on the positive things such as CURING diseases that perhaps we might be better off. Instead of people fearing the US, they'd look up to us as leaders in our own right. Then again I'm just a dirty hippie;-) A.A
However, big corporations are starting to use the laws *WE* have passed to give them an advantage. In fact, they IMHO hae started to abuse said laws. It took Black people how many years to get the same rights that corporations got in something like 5 years or so. I don't like the corps. either, and yeah...I do d/l music, mostly simply because I don't feel like paying 12.99 for a CD with ONE good song on it, what's the point? The only thing they care about is their profits. They don't care about you, me, or anyone else that gets in the way of the money. I have to wonder, just how far are people willing to go for someone who's express purpose is to relieve them of their hard earned money? I'm not willing to go very far at all. I'm one of those people who WOULD stop D/L'ing music when they stop bullshitting me about how much it costs them to produce yet another CD with Brittney singing the same shit over and over again. They get no quarter or sympathy from me, sorry.
But if you send the robot back in time, then Dib won't be your enemy. Then you won't send the robot back and he WILL be your enemy...then *pfffzzzzzzztBOOM*
--For those who want to "protect" themselves from actions by a fellow citizen by granting additional powers to the government: consider the worst that the citizen can do to you, then consider the worst the government can do to you with those additional powers.--
Someone once said...and I've quoted them before but it fits...
"Those who would give up liberty for security deserve neither" (I will admit that I believe that is the "short" version of that quote...someone may feel free to correct me.)
If you're interested in reading more about the government and such, as well as a few different viewpoints... try Peter McWilliams' website, particularly "Ain't Nobody's Business If You Do."
--You can't depend on the user of a behavior altering substance to wholly control his/her actions.--
Yet, alcohol is perfectly legal. They even serve it in bars, where people drive to. Read about the differences between being under the influence of alcohol and cannibis.
The drug laws are there not for the concern of people's health, it's a concern for money.
As for legislating morality, I think it should be kept basic. As long as it doesn't interefere with another unconsenting person or their property then it's fair game. Yes, there are people who are going to argue the minutae of that statement, and honestly, This author explains it very well and all his books are available online, check them out if you'd like.
From what I've seen, honesty goes only as far as you have no need for money and are doing whatever it is for fun. Once you're doing it as a 'job' or a 'service' or whatever, money seems to always take over and run the show. Yes, I realize that we need some money to survive, but I've found that especially in the US, money is the *reason* for living. You're judged by how much of that paper you possess or by what you, in general, possess.
As for the advertising, I don't personally mind it when it's *unobtrusive*. Seizure-inducing, music-playing, screen stealing pop-ups only made me want to choke the person whose product they were selling, hence my getting Firefox w/adaware. I don't block ALL the ads, just the aforementioned annoying ones.
People do need to realize that it does cost money to report news. --
Which, I'm told, is why they inturrupt the news approximately once every 4 minutes during a 30 minute broadcast to pay for it... with commercials. And banners on the websites, and click through commercials... sorry, I can't really feel sorry for a company (or group of companies) that charge several thousand, or in some cases several MILLION dollars for a few seconds of airtime.
--and if they discover that i like to stick large bits of metal through certain large parts of my body in my spare time, that they might like, lose some respect for me or something--
If anything, I think I would have had MORE respect for any of my teachers in school if I knew that they were more like the younger generation and not like my grandparents beating me over the head with the cudgel of knowledge.....but that's just me I suppose.
Hey, in that case, we'll just give everyone a machine gun nest in their front yard...and some automatics in the car as well. An armed populace isn't a dangerous populace right? Who cares that kill each other every day with them? I mean, yeah...it's sad that little billy shot himself in the head because he was screwing around with dad's gun that dad forgot to lock up....but hey, that's the way it's gotta be, we *have* to be paranoid about this!
(Yes, this was sarcasim. The Constitution of the US doesn't even allow for all these guns. It was supposed to be to ARM THE MILLITIA. Last I checked, **WE DIDN'T HAVE ONE**.)
-- IANAL but if the person hacked CANNOT defend themselves against it in the courts (particularly if nothing infringing was found) then to hack back to prevent yourself from being attacked is self defence, defence of property not person, but nontheless self defence. --
INANAL either, BUT... Self-defense of either person OR property only works when you don't harm the other person or (I *believe*) their property while defending your own. I seem to recall (and this was back in the '90s mind you.) reading in my Law and You class that there was a guy who kept getting his garage/toolshed broken into over and over and over again. He'd call the cops, they'd do nothing but file a report and *nothing* ever got accomplished except this guy having to replace his tools a couple of times a year. SO, he rigged a shotgun to the door. Last I heard he was still in jail for Manslaughter. Also, when I lived in Florida, I was informed by an officer that even if someone stood on your doorway with a gun, you COULD NOT shoot him...he wasn't IN YOUR HOUSE, which was the kicker...they *had* to be IN your house in order for you to defend yourself. So yeah, some of the laws and rules are a bit fucky.....
As for the spam sites slowing down....somehow, I can't bring myself to shed a single tear about it.
--the Government of the US of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion... --US Senate, June 1797--
Actually, it's: "The Government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian Religon." -George Washington --Treaty of Tripoli, 1796/nitpick and info
--but to actually remove it required multiple reboots into safe mode and manual deletion of registry keys, EXEs, and DLLs.--
Could you please direct me to some information about this? I'm a budding computer geek, I can get around the 'simple tools' (Ad-Aware, Spybot, etc.) but I'm mortified to go rooting around in the registry and mucking about with dll's, which is why my machine is *still* running slow despite having a clean bill of health from both the aforementioned programs.
-- I agree that a company hosting such a campaign might look poor in the eyes of jurors in court.--
Only a fool looks to the courts for justice. At least in the US, you *can* get away with murder with enough money. And fraud, and theft as well for that matter. (OJ Simpson and Enron in that order.) Money is what matters here, not honor, not doing what's 'right', and most CERTAINLY not "justice". Spammers will continue spamming as long as it makes them money, plain and simple. You can fine them, jail them, whatever, but as long as it makes God (read The Almighty Dollar.) then you can bet your ass they'll get out of jail and go right back to making money.
IMHO, the only way to get them to stop is to make it *not profitable*. The bad part, at least for me, is trying to figure out a way to do that. I had thought about simply going after people who hire the spammer in the first place...but then I read about "joe jobs" so that might not work. I thought about somehow charging them for spam....but that doesn't quite work either (opt-in lists for newsletters etc.) I'm somewhat clueless as to the Magic Bullet...I *DO* know that I'm sick as hell of getting all this 3n|@|2g3 ur p3|\|I$ garbage in my in box. Anything else out there that hasn't already been shot down?
...They did. I remember when they kept advertising cable by saying "Why would you want those crappy air tv stations? the recption is shoddy and THEY HAVE COMMERCIALS, WE DON'T." oh but I remember those days well. Then, when people all came over to cable, *poof* cable commmercials.
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-- ...and that technology will eventually trickle down for others to use as well for non-military uses.
;-)
I know you're right, but as we get farther into technology, I have to keep wondering if we're going to be around for it to trickle down to. We're getting into things that I consider frightening at this point, bio-warfare for example. I have to think that if we spent more money on the positive things such as CURING diseases that perhaps we might be better off. Instead of people fearing the US, they'd look up to us as leaders in our own right. Then again I'm just a dirty hippie
A.A
http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/ayahuasca/ayahuasc a.shtml Some information on what he's talking about, in case anyone was interested :D
A.A
However, big corporations are starting to use the laws *WE* have passed to give them an advantage. In fact, they IMHO hae started to abuse said laws. It took Black people how many years to get the same rights that corporations got in something like 5 years or so. I don't like the corps. either, and yeah...I do d/l music, mostly simply because I don't feel like paying 12.99 for a CD with ONE good song on it, what's the point? The only thing they care about is their profits. They don't care about you, me, or anyone else that gets in the way of the money. I have to wonder, just how far are people willing to go for someone who's express purpose is to relieve them of their hard earned money? I'm not willing to go very far at all. I'm one of those people who WOULD stop D/L'ing music when they stop bullshitting me about how much it costs them to produce yet another CD with Brittney singing the same shit over and over again. They get no quarter or sympathy from me, sorry.
:P
YMMV, this is all just opinion
A.A
1.) I don't want people coming into my house and stealing my property that I paid for, ergo theft is illegal.
2.) People keep using the laws to relieve me of my freedom through frivolous lawsuits, ergo those lawsuits are illegal.
3.) I don't want people putting me in jail because they don't agree with what I feel / think, ergo we have things like the 1st amendment.
Sir, may I inquire if you've thought about decaf?
:P )
(It was a joke....sheesh
A.A
Thanks for the info, I'd read it attributed to several people, Franklin the most often.
A.A
But if you send the robot back in time, then Dib won't be your enemy. Then you won't send the robot back and he WILL be your enemy...then *pfffzzzzzzztBOOM*
Sorry, fellow Zim fan here.
A.A
--For those who want to "protect" themselves from actions by a fellow citizen by granting additional powers to the government: consider the worst that the citizen can do to you, then consider the worst the government can do to you with those additional powers.--
Someone once said...and I've quoted them before but it fits...
"Those who would give up liberty for security deserve neither"
(I will admit that I believe that is the "short" version of that quote...someone may feel free to correct me.)
If you're interested in reading more about the government and such, as well as a few different viewpoints... try Peter McWilliams' website, particularly "Ain't Nobody's Business If You Do."
A.A
*thinks* Hadn't thought about that....good point. ;-)
A.A
My personal favorite would be Reefer Madness Check it out sometime, you'll be in hysterics.
A.A
Yet, alcohol is perfectly legal. They even serve it in bars, where people drive to. Read about the differences between being under the influence of alcohol and cannibis.
The drug laws are there not for the concern of people's health, it's a concern for money.
As for legislating morality, I think it should be kept basic. As long as it doesn't interefere with another unconsenting person or their property then it's fair game. Yes, there are people who are going to argue the minutae of that statement, and honestly, This author explains it very well and all his books are available online, check them out if you'd like.
A.A
...an ISP... blocking port 80. I would imagine that their users are fairly pissed at this. I know I would be.
--A.A.
From what I've seen, honesty goes only as far as you have no need for money and are doing whatever it is for fun. Once you're doing it as a 'job' or a 'service' or whatever, money seems to always take over and run the show. Yes, I realize that we need some money to survive, but I've found that especially in the US, money is the *reason* for living. You're judged by how much of that paper you possess or by what you, in general, possess.
As for the advertising, I don't personally mind it when it's *unobtrusive*. Seizure-inducing, music-playing, screen stealing pop-ups only made me want to choke the person whose product they were selling, hence my getting Firefox w/adaware. I don't block ALL the ads, just the aforementioned annoying ones.
People do need to realize that it does cost money to report news. --
Which, I'm told, is why they inturrupt the news approximately once every 4 minutes during a 30 minute broadcast to pay for it... with commercials. And banners on the websites, and click through commercials... sorry, I can't really feel sorry for a company (or group of companies) that charge several thousand, or in some cases several MILLION dollars for a few seconds of airtime.
A.A
--It's almost as if, at some point in their lives, people decided to stop thinking for themselves.--
I've noticed that it's about the same time as high school graduation....but that's just my viewpoint.
AA
I honestly wish I could find you, gut you, and then skullfuck you.
--and if they discover that i like to stick large bits of metal through certain large parts of my body in my spare time, that they might like, lose some respect for me or something--
If anything, I think I would have had MORE respect for any of my teachers in school if I knew that they were more like the younger generation and not like my grandparents beating me over the head with the cudgel of knowledge.....but that's just me I suppose.
A.A.
Hey, in that case, we'll just give everyone a machine gun nest in their front yard...and some automatics in the car as well. An armed populace isn't a dangerous populace right? Who cares that kill each other every day with them? I mean, yeah...it's sad that little billy shot himself in the head because he was screwing around with dad's gun that dad forgot to lock up....but hey, that's the way it's gotta be, we *have* to be paranoid about this!
(Yes, this was sarcasim. The Constitution of the US doesn't even allow for all these guns. It was supposed to be to ARM THE MILLITIA. Last I checked, **WE DIDN'T HAVE ONE**.)
A.A
-- IANAL but if the person hacked CANNOT defend themselves against it in the courts (particularly if nothing infringing was found) then to hack back to prevent yourself from being attacked is self defence, defence of property not person, but nontheless self defence. --
INANAL either, BUT...
Self-defense of either person OR property only works when you don't harm the other person or (I *believe*) their property while defending your own. I seem to recall (and this was back in the '90s mind you.) reading in my Law and You class that there was a guy who kept getting his garage/toolshed broken into over and over and over again. He'd call the cops, they'd do nothing but file a report and *nothing* ever got accomplished except this guy having to replace his tools a couple of times a year. SO, he rigged a shotgun to the door. Last I heard he was still in jail for Manslaughter. Also, when I lived in Florida, I was informed by an officer that even if someone stood on your doorway with a gun, you COULD NOT shoot him...he wasn't IN YOUR HOUSE, which was the kicker...they *had* to be IN your house in order for you to defend yourself. So yeah, some of the laws and rules are a bit fucky.....
As for the spam sites slowing down....somehow, I can't bring myself to shed a single tear about it.
A.A
--the Government of the US of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion... --US Senate, June 1797--
: /nitpick and info
Actually, it's
"The Government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian Religon."
-George Washington --Treaty of Tripoli, 1796
A.A
I agree...but mostly because I keep hearing it out of the mouth of our Lord and Saviour George W. *shudders*
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--but to actually remove it required multiple reboots into safe mode and manual deletion of registry keys, EXEs, and DLLs.--
Could you please direct me to some information about this? I'm a budding computer geek, I can get around the 'simple tools' (Ad-Aware, Spybot, etc.) but I'm mortified to go rooting around in the registry and mucking about with dll's, which is why my machine is *still* running slow despite having a clean bill of health from both the aforementioned programs.
Any info would be appreciated, thanks!
A.A
-- I agree that a company hosting such a campaign might look poor in the eyes of jurors in court.--
Only a fool looks to the courts for justice. At least in the US, you *can* get away with murder with enough money. And fraud, and theft as well for that matter. (OJ Simpson and Enron in that order.) Money is what matters here, not honor, not doing what's 'right', and most CERTAINLY not "justice". Spammers will continue spamming as long as it makes them money, plain and simple. You can fine them, jail them, whatever, but as long as it makes God (read The Almighty Dollar.) then you can bet your ass they'll get out of jail and go right back to making money.
IMHO, the only way to get them to stop is to make it *not profitable*. The bad part, at least for me, is trying to figure out a way to do that. I had thought about simply going after people who hire the spammer in the first place...but then I read about "joe jobs" so that might not work. I thought about somehow charging them for spam....but that doesn't quite work either (opt-in lists for newsletters etc.) I'm somewhat clueless as to the Magic Bullet...I *DO* know that I'm sick as hell of getting all this 3n|@|2g3 ur p3|\|I$ garbage in my in box. Anything else out there that hasn't already been shot down?
I sit corrected. Thanks for the info!
...They did. I remember when they kept advertising cable by saying "Why would you want those crappy air tv stations? the recption is shoddy and THEY HAVE COMMERCIALS, WE DON'T." oh but I remember those days well. Then, when people all came over to cable, *poof* cable commmercials.