--Do you suggest that they pay big stars less money? Big directors? Big producers? Should they just make less profit? Should they require theaters to raise the price of popcorn?--
In order: Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. and for the love of all the Gods in existance NO! $4 for a $1.50 box of Sno-Caps is more than plenty thank you.
--I say they hire more lawyers, spend more on R&D, and keep changing DRM. That's the only way they can keep making the money they deserve. If all else fails, raise prices to make up for the loss of volume.--
"The money they deserve" ? Do you seriously think that making a movie is worth Millions? Billions? People who perform heart surgery don't get nearly that much and these people have made a living SAVING PEOPLE'S LIVES.
You'll forgive me as I sit here in my run-down house, working a job I hate for next to no money because it's the only one I can find and NOT shed a tear for these poor destitute movie makers.
It sounds to me like you're a bit ticked because people steal, except that it's not stealing in that the only thing you're being deprived of is the money you charge to view / experience whatever it is you sell. Here's a hint, in the hopes that I'm not being flamebait... Times have changed. Technology is different now. People are able to take data, *any* data, and copy it to another media. That's the way things are. Perhaps if the Big Record Companies stopped being so damned greedy people would wake up a little bit more and realize that not EVERYONE is attached to some multi-national corporation and they're actually hurting some of their neighbors. Sadly, until that happens, we're(*) going to get very little sympathy and are going to have to deal with things as they are...
(*)For the record, I mix / make my own music now, and my next cd is going to be up for grabs on the P2P networks, with donations appreciated. Why? It's not because I don't value my own work, I do. It's because I believe that people will pay for something they enjoy when they think it has some benefit to them. Paying $20.00 for a single song just doesn't cut it, especially seeing how most of the money never reaches the artist (think of the ARTISTS!!!) in the first place.
Company A engages in dishonest business practices and makes say... $2bil doing it. They get caught. They get fined say... $1.5mil. How is that a punishment? They *MADE* money doing that, why wouldn't they do it again?
--Sure there will always be the sleazy used car salesman types, but hopefully in a large organization these seedy folks can be identified and weeded out.--
I used to work for a call center that got paid 'per call'. For the record? The people who were pumping their call times by hanging up on people got *promoted* not fired. They were making the company more money. By the way, that's why your tech support sucks;-) Most companies outsource it and pay per call.
I have this sinking feeling that it's where we are headed though. As I have gone through my work life, the companies that I have worked for have steadily valued their employees less. People are replaceable, what with the unemployment so high right now, I know a lot of companies that don't mind 70-80% turnover. In fact, one company I worked for LOVED that. It meant they didn't have to give benefits like insurance and whatnot.
We're creating a class of working slaves, mark my words.
--They still aren't planing on fixing the software, just giving you access to more stuff to buy that covers it.--
Reminds me of a Daffy Duck / Porky Pig cartoon from days long past. Daffy was the manager of a hotel, Porky the visiting businessman. For those who don't remember, there was a mouse chewing on celery in the room, he calls down to get something to take care of it. Daffy brings a cat. then the cat annoys porky, calls down again and gets a dog... process goes all the way to an elephant, which is chased out by....a mouse.
The issue about free speech is that (in my opinion) it only REALLY counts when someone's view is unpopular. Yes, yelling fire in a crowded movie theater is illegal. Why? Because people can be trampled to death by the stampede. Somehow I don't think wearing a T-shirt that says "Give peace a chance" is likely to do the same thing.
"The trouble with fighting for human freedom is that one spends most of one's time defending scoundrels. For it is against scoundrels that oppressive laws are first aimed, and oppression must be stopped at the beginning if it is to be stopped at all."
--H. L. Mencken
"I have fought censorship all of my adult life. To me, the most precious of all rights in this marvelous country called the United States of America is the freedom to think, write and say whatever is on your mind... That freedom also extends to thoughts that are stupid, ignorant or incendiary. No one needs a First Amendment to write about how cute newborn babies are or to publish a recipe for stawberry shortcake. Nobody needs a First Amendment for innocuous or popular points of view. That's point one. Point two is that the majority-you and I-must always protect the right of a minority-even a minority of one-to express the most outrageous and offensive ideas. Only then is total freedom of expression guaranteed." Lyle Stuart
"The reason our "capitalism" has collapsed into cartels and monopolies is that we have seen a vast influx of socialism into our modern system."
So what you're saying is that because of an influx of collectively owned businesses we've created cartels and monopolies... which, by definition, aren't collectively owned?
socialism n.
1. Any of various theories or systems of social organization in which the means of producing and distributing goods is owned collectively or by a centralized government that often plans and controls the economy.
--It's not really any weirder than people named 'Chastity'.--
It is when you've spent the past 5 years or so having 9/11 shit rammed down your throat, and being told that "anyone could be a terrorist!". Propaganda and a new reason for discrimination.
--...and the worst offense I felt was when they confiscated my $0.99 cigarette lighter.---
That reminds me, the last time I flew was probably about 3 years ago or so. I flew out of Portland, OR into Detroit. I was a cigarette smoker at the time and had just recently bought one of those 10-packs of lighters because they were cheap. I also had one of those butane torch-type lighters on me, but... *It was completely empty and had been for over a year and a half*. Mind you I didn't expect them to actually take all but *2* of my lighters (The guy said that's the limit...maybe you can build a bomb with 3?) Plus, when the guy found my butane lighter, he looked like he'd hit the jackpot! I told him it was empty and he looked at me like "We'll just SEE about THAT!" He took his pen and jammed it into the filling nozzle of the lighter. Nothing came out... and he broke my lighter. He looked up at me and said "Nasty things, you could like...uh...melt wiring or something." and handed it back to me. I swear it was like watching Cleetus A. Lump take a stab at being a security guard. If it wasn't my shit I would have chuckled.
Sadly it was my lighter, and my money that went to pay that asshat. THAT is the real crime here....
If you grew up in the 70-80's they have this little program called "safe kids" or some such. You can get your child fingerprinted for FREE!!! That way, if some bad person steals them, we can find them! (Not sure exactly how that works if the kid is say... locked in a closet somewhere...but *shrugs* guess the Illusion of Security started long before 9/11.)
So, if you grew up then, or maybe before or since because I'm not sure if that still goes on, the G does have your fingerprints.
--Into archives that will never be used or looked at until hell freezes over--
You're new here aren't you?
Don't you know, we're looking for tewawists. That means we *have* to compile information on every man, woman, and child that even THINKS about coming into the US.
P.S.
Lots of good that will do when someone HERE bombs a gas station because he is sick of being fucked in the ass by the Oil Co.
--So security just has to make it difficult to get "serious" weapons on the plane...--
A boxcutter isn't that serious. A KNITTING NEEDLE (which you can't take on the plane anymore afaik) isn't really that serious. You don't need a gun or a bomb to hijack a plane.
As for the "people won't just sit by and let that happen again!" How about the fact that it's now ingrained into people's heads? Do you really think that the majority reaction to a hijack attempt is going to be to rush the hijackers? Um....no. It's going to be to do as you are told, in order that you *MIGHT* save your life.
Muggers being stopped by heroic actions certainly hasn't stopped muggings has it?Take some psychology sometime and realize that people are frightened animals, and they act as such.
--The laws were put into effect to keep those who would like to destroy our freedoms out.--
It's very hard to get at our 'freedoms' when they've put them in these nice shiny lead-lined combination-locked safes huh? I mean, sure... we can't use them, but at least the boogyme...err....terrorists can't get them. Sorry, I'd rather take my chances with the terrorists, at least I know they have a point to what they're doing.
Disclaimer because it's slashdot: No, I don't agree with the terrorists. I just think that having a point to what your doing instead of giving your friends jobs is a much more honorable thing to do. At least it means something to you.
--By the same logic, I blame the US for lax identity theft laws when I hear about ABC company divulging information about tens of thousands of their customers. A company will do what is profitable. It is their job. When governments let companies get away with murder, I place the blame on the gov't for not having a tight enough leash.--
Or, when companies manipulate the market to make $9+ billion in profit.
There are a large amount of 'consensual' crimes on the books. As far as I can tell, these involve acts which a certain segment of the population finds distasteful but in the end, harms nobody. Examples of this are things such as prostitution, drug use (using the drug in and of istelf only harms arguably yourself, ergo it's consentual), gambling, and the laws that forbid certain sexual acts.
Freedom, in my opinion, is at its core the ability to do whatever you wish with your person or property. This can be extended since we live in a society to also mean that you can do whatever you want with a consenting person's body or property (since they consented to whatever it was). To me, this idea seems pretty simple. However apparently somewhere long before I was born, the idea that certain actions were distasteful took hold. People started worrying that maybe, just maybe... someone might be visiting a prostitute, or drinking alcohol. Look back at the United States' history folks. There's a line of laws a mile long about what can and cannot be done, regardless of consent. In most places, prostitution is illegal. Not because it harms someone, but because people found the idea repulsive...especially when they thought that perhaps their spouce or significant other could be going to one. Speaking of significant others, can someone PLEASE tell me the harm in homosexuality? There are so many laws, for example... the recently amended Ohio State Constitution that basically screws everyone who's not straight out of ever being considered 'married' for the purposes of insurance, taxes and death benefits. Funny, last I checked marriage was between two people who loved each other.
--"Be it Resolved by the People of the State of Ohio:
That the Constitution of the State of Ohio be amended by adopting a section to be designated as Section 11 of Article XV thereof, to read as follows:
Article XV
Section 11. Only a union between one man and one woman may be a marriage valid in or recognized by this state and its political subdivisions. This state and its political subdivisions shall not create or recognize a legal status for relationships of unmarried individuals that intends to approximate the design, qualities, significance or effect of marriage." http://www.smartvoter.org/2004/11/02/oh/state/issu e/1/ --
How does this relate you may ask? You mentioned "I was doing something wrong (in this case adultery) and I got caught because of some entirely unrelated event." Adultry should not have ever become an issue for the government to step into. Yes, you could argue that the courts would need to sort out a divorce if one were to happen because of it, but adultery in and of itself isn't a 'crime'. Neither are prostitution or gambling. These are crimes simply because some people say they should be.
To further expand on this, consider the fact that reading 1984 isn't illegal right now, but if a law was passed banning it (for the sake of arguement.) then you have just become a criminal, just for reading a book. You can insert any 'bad' behaviour in this scenario... it all depends on who is determining what 'bad' means, and some of the people out there right now scare me a lot when it comes to what they think is good and bad.
I say we should leave the personal matters to people. Leave the actual CRIMINAL matters to the gov't or some other *elected* official.
For the record, an interesting book on the subject can be found here: http://www.mcmillian.com/ The book is called "Ain't Nobody's Business If You Do", look in the back for a chart (somewhat dated, I'll admit) that outlines sexual laws in the states. I'm amused that I've broken at least one quite a few times in Ohio (According to that chart oral sex is illegal here.)
"Once we all have ID cards, shame not to use them, right? Wasteful not to have you not required to carry them."
Clue... it comes in this form : xxx-xx-xxxx and you were given it at birth. The old cards said "Not to be used as a form of identification" Newer cards have that little tidbit removed. You should have been scared years ago;-)
I still think a "National ID Card" is redundant and stupid, and a waste of money.
--slightly less money, but generate more goodwill--
Most businesses that I've seen lately care a lot more about the former than the latter. In the day and age of 'easily replaceable' customers, most businesses that I've *worked* for don't give a shit about single customers, or even groups of them...it's only when something in the thousands of users/customers or more category comes up that they actually stand up and pull their heads out of their asses...otherwise it's just a cost of doing business. Why do you think AT&T can shit on their customers for years and still be one of the largest phone / internet service providers in the country? Give you a clue, it's not their prices, and it's sure as hell not their service.
P.S. I used to do tech support for AT&T Broadband. They outsource most of it, and the company I worked for (as most of them) got paid by the call. Ergo, they got paid more if they screwed things up than if they got it right the first time. You figure out what happened.
Otherwise I'm not bothered by ads in principle, they might even (gasp!) have information about something I want to buy.--
I can't even remember the last time I saw an ad online for something I actually wanted. Mostly it's those fucking annoying punch the monkey pos' or something equally inane. Lately though, I have seen a few ads for dating / meeting sites. Mostly featuring the complete antithesis of who is actually using them.
Slashdot Mirror
--Do you suggest that they pay big stars less money? Big directors? Big producers?
Should they just make less profit? Should they require theaters to raise the price of popcorn?--
In order: Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. and for the love of all the Gods in existance NO! $4 for a $1.50 box of Sno-Caps is more than plenty thank you.
--I say they hire more lawyers, spend more on R&D, and keep changing DRM. That's the only way they can keep making the money they deserve. If all else fails, raise prices to make up for the loss of volume.--
"The money they deserve" ? Do you seriously think that making a movie is worth Millions? Billions? People who perform heart surgery don't get nearly that much and these people have made a living SAVING PEOPLE'S LIVES.
You'll forgive me as I sit here in my run-down house, working a job I hate for next to no money because it's the only one I can find and NOT shed a tear for these poor destitute movie makers.
My 2 cents,
A.A
It sounds to me like you're a bit ticked because people steal, except that it's not stealing in that the only thing you're being deprived of is the money you charge to view / experience whatever it is you sell. Here's a hint, in the hopes that I'm not being flamebait...
Times have changed. Technology is different now. People are able to take data, *any* data, and copy it to another media. That's the way things are. Perhaps if the Big Record Companies stopped being so damned greedy people would wake up a little bit more and realize that not EVERYONE is attached to some multi-national corporation and they're actually hurting some of their neighbors. Sadly, until that happens, we're(*) going to get very little sympathy and are going to have to deal with things as they are...
(*)For the record, I mix / make my own music now, and my next cd is going to be up for grabs on the P2P networks, with donations appreciated. Why? It's not because I don't value my own work, I do. It's because I believe that people will pay for something they enjoy when they think it has some benefit to them. Paying $20.00 for a single song just doesn't cut it, especially seeing how most of the money never reaches the artist (think of the ARTISTS!!!) in the first place.
Here's something that always bothered me :
Company A engages in dishonest business practices and makes say... $2bil doing it. They get caught. They get fined say... $1.5mil. How is that a punishment? They *MADE* money doing that, why wouldn't they do it again?
A.A
--Sure there will always be the sleazy used car salesman types, but hopefully in a large organization these seedy folks can be identified and weeded out.--
;-) Most companies outsource it and pay per call.
I used to work for a call center that got paid 'per call'. For the record? The people who were pumping their call times by hanging up on people got *promoted* not fired. They were making the company more money. By the way, that's why your tech support sucks
A.A
*chuckles* I knew it was only a matter of time before M:tG was mentioned. Long live Baron Sengir :D
A.A
I have this sinking feeling that it's where we are headed though. As I have gone through my work life, the companies that I have worked for have steadily valued their employees less. People are replaceable, what with the unemployment so high right now, I know a lot of companies that don't mind 70-80% turnover. In fact, one company I worked for LOVED that. It meant they didn't have to give benefits like insurance and whatnot.
We're creating a class of working slaves, mark my words.
A.A
*grins* ty!
A.A
--They still aren't planing on fixing the software, just giving you access to more stuff to buy that covers it.--
Reminds me of a Daffy Duck / Porky Pig cartoon from days long past. Daffy was the manager of a hotel, Porky the visiting businessman. For those who don't remember, there was a mouse chewing on celery in the room, he calls down to get something to take care of it. Daffy brings a cat. then the cat annoys porky, calls down again and gets a dog... process goes all the way to an elephant, which is chased out by....a mouse.
A.A
Or stuff like:
c gi/48/17374s -protest-arrest-of-man-for-wearing-peace-Tshirt-at -Crossgates_03-05-2003.html
Wearing shirts that speak out against a popular (unpopular?) war : http://www.truthout.org/cgi-bin/artman/exec/view.
http://www.albany.edu/~mg2300/doc/news/TU_Marcher
The issue about free speech is that (in my opinion) it only REALLY counts when someone's view is unpopular. Yes, yelling fire in a crowded movie theater is illegal. Why? Because people can be trampled to death by the stampede. Somehow I don't think wearing a T-shirt that says "Give peace a chance" is likely to do the same thing.
"The trouble with fighting for human freedom is that one spends most of one's time defending scoundrels. For it is against scoundrels that oppressive laws are first aimed, and oppression must be stopped at the beginning if it is to be stopped at all."
--H. L. Mencken
"I have fought censorship all of my adult life. To me, the most precious of all rights in this marvelous country called the United States of America is the freedom to think, write and say whatever is on your mind... That freedom also extends to thoughts that are stupid, ignorant or incendiary. No one needs a First Amendment to write about how cute newborn babies are or to publish a recipe for stawberry shortcake. Nobody needs a First Amendment for innocuous or popular points of view. That's point one. Point two is that the majority-you and I-must always protect the right of a minority-even a minority of one-to express the most outrageous and offensive ideas. Only then is total freedom of expression guaranteed." Lyle Stuart
Just some food for thought.
My 2 cents...
-A.A
"The reason our "capitalism" has collapsed into cartels and monopolies is that we have seen a vast influx of socialism into our modern system."
So what you're saying is that because of an influx of collectively owned businesses we've created cartels and monopolies... which, by definition, aren't collectively owned?
socialism
n.
1. Any of various theories or systems of social organization in which the means of producing and distributing goods is owned collectively or by a centralized government that often plans and controls the economy.
'The reason our "capitalism" has collapsed into cartels and monopolies is that we have seen a vast influx of socialism into our modern system.'
You're kidding right?
Point Taken and fair enough ;-)
A.A
--It's not really any weirder than people named 'Chastity'.--
It is when you've spent the past 5 years or so having 9/11 shit rammed down your throat, and being told that "anyone could be a terrorist!". Propaganda and a new reason for discrimination.
Bah.
My 2 cents
A.A
--...and the worst offense I felt was when they confiscated my $0.99 cigarette lighter.---
That reminds me, the last time I flew was probably about 3 years ago or so. I flew out of Portland, OR into Detroit. I was a cigarette smoker at the time and had just recently bought one of those 10-packs of lighters because they were cheap. I also had one of those butane torch-type lighters on me, but... *It was completely empty and had been for over a year and a half*. Mind you I didn't expect them to actually take all but *2* of my lighters (The guy said that's the limit...maybe you can build a bomb with 3?) Plus, when the guy found my butane lighter, he looked like he'd hit the jackpot! I told him it was empty and he looked at me like "We'll just SEE about THAT!" He took his pen and jammed it into the filling nozzle of the lighter. Nothing came out... and he broke my lighter. He looked up at me and said "Nasty things, you could like...uh...melt wiring or something." and handed it back to me. I swear it was like watching Cleetus A. Lump take a stab at being a security guard. If it wasn't my shit I would have chuckled.
Sadly it was my lighter, and my money that went to pay that asshat. THAT is the real crime here....
My 2 Cents
A.A
If you grew up in the 70-80's they have this little program called "safe kids" or some such. You can get your child fingerprinted for FREE!!! That way, if some bad person steals them, we can find them! (Not sure exactly how that works if the kid is say... locked in a closet somewhere...but *shrugs* guess the Illusion of Security started long before 9/11.)
So, if you grew up then, or maybe before or since because I'm not sure if that still goes on, the G does have your fingerprints.
My 2 cents
A.A
--Into archives that will never be used or looked at until hell freezes over--
You're new here aren't you?
Don't you know, we're looking for tewawists. That means we *have* to compile information on every man, woman, and child that even THINKS about coming into the US.
P.S.
Lots of good that will do when someone HERE bombs a gas station because he is sick of being fucked in the ass by the Oil Co.
My 2 cents
A.A
--So security just has to make it difficult to get "serious" weapons on the plane...--
A boxcutter isn't that serious. A KNITTING NEEDLE (which you can't take on the plane anymore afaik) isn't really that serious. You don't need a gun or a bomb to hijack a plane.
As for the "people won't just sit by and let that happen again!" How about the fact that it's now ingrained into people's heads? Do you really think that the majority reaction to a hijack attempt is going to be to rush the hijackers? Um....no. It's going to be to do as you are told, in order that you *MIGHT* save your life.
Muggers being stopped by heroic actions certainly hasn't stopped muggings has it?Take some psychology sometime and realize that people are frightened animals, and they act as such.
My 2 cents.
A.A
--The laws were put into effect to keep those who would like to destroy our freedoms out.--
It's very hard to get at our 'freedoms' when they've put them in these nice shiny lead-lined combination-locked safes huh? I mean, sure... we can't use them, but at least the boogyme...err....terrorists can't get them. Sorry, I'd rather take my chances with the terrorists, at least I know they have a point to what they're doing.
Disclaimer because it's slashdot:
No, I don't agree with the terrorists. I just think that having a point to what your doing instead of giving your friends jobs is a much more honorable thing to do. At least it means something to you.
--By the same logic, I blame the US for lax identity theft laws when I hear about ABC company divulging information about tens of thousands of their customers. A company will do what is profitable. It is their job. When governments let companies get away with murder, I place the blame on the gov't for not having a tight enough leash.--
Or, when companies manipulate the market to make $9+ billion in profit.
Something to think about :
u e/1/ --
There are a large amount of 'consensual' crimes on the books. As far as I can tell, these involve acts which a certain segment of the population finds distasteful but in the end, harms nobody. Examples of this are things such as prostitution, drug use (using the drug in and of istelf only harms arguably yourself, ergo it's consentual), gambling, and the laws that forbid certain sexual acts.
Freedom, in my opinion, is at its core the ability to do whatever you wish with your person or property. This can be extended since we live in a society to also mean that you can do whatever you want with a consenting person's body or property (since they consented to whatever it was). To me, this idea seems pretty simple. However apparently somewhere long before I was born, the idea that certain actions were distasteful took hold. People started worrying that maybe, just maybe... someone might be visiting a prostitute, or drinking alcohol. Look back at the United States' history folks. There's a line of laws a mile long about what can and cannot be done, regardless of consent. In most places, prostitution is illegal. Not because it harms someone, but because people found the idea repulsive...especially when they thought that perhaps their spouce or significant other could be going to one. Speaking of significant others, can someone PLEASE tell me the harm in homosexuality? There are so many laws, for example... the recently amended Ohio State Constitution that basically screws everyone who's not straight out of ever being considered 'married' for the purposes of insurance, taxes and death benefits. Funny, last I checked marriage was between two people who loved each other.
--"Be it Resolved by the People of the State of Ohio:
That the Constitution of the State of Ohio be amended by adopting a section to be designated as Section 11 of Article XV thereof, to read as follows:
Article XV
Section 11. Only a union between one man and one woman may be a marriage valid in or recognized by this state and its political subdivisions. This state and its political subdivisions shall not create or recognize a legal status for relationships of unmarried individuals that intends to approximate the design, qualities, significance or effect of marriage." http://www.smartvoter.org/2004/11/02/oh/state/iss
How does this relate you may ask? You mentioned "I was doing something wrong (in this case adultery) and I got caught because of some entirely unrelated event." Adultry should not have ever become an issue for the government to step into. Yes, you could argue that the courts would need to sort out a divorce if one were to happen because of it, but adultery in and of itself isn't a 'crime'. Neither are prostitution or gambling. These are crimes simply because some people say they should be.
To further expand on this, consider the fact that reading 1984 isn't illegal right now, but if a law was passed banning it (for the sake of arguement.) then you have just become a criminal, just for reading a book. You can insert any 'bad' behaviour in this scenario... it all depends on who is determining what 'bad' means, and some of the people out there right now scare me a lot when it comes to what they think is good and bad.
I say we should leave the personal matters to people. Leave the actual CRIMINAL matters to the gov't or some other *elected* official.
For the record, an interesting book on the subject can be found here:
http://www.mcmillian.com/
The book is called "Ain't Nobody's Business If You Do", look in the back for a chart (somewhat dated, I'll admit) that outlines sexual laws in the states. I'm amused that I've broken at least one quite a few times in Ohio (According to that chart oral sex is illegal here.)
My 2 cents.
A.A
"Once we all have ID cards, shame not to use them, right? Wasteful not to have you not required to carry them."
;-)
Clue... it comes in this form : xxx-xx-xxxx and you were given it at birth. The old cards said "Not to be used as a form of identification" Newer cards have that little tidbit removed. You should have been scared years ago
I still think a "National ID Card" is redundant and stupid, and a waste of money.
My 2cents
A.A
Quite so...quite so
--slightly less money, but generate more goodwill--
Most businesses that I've seen lately care a lot more about the former than the latter. In the day and age of 'easily replaceable' customers, most businesses that I've *worked* for don't give a shit about single customers, or even groups of them...it's only when something in the thousands of users/customers or more category comes up that they actually stand up and pull their heads out of their asses...otherwise it's just a cost of doing business. Why do you think AT&T can shit on their customers for years and still be one of the largest phone / internet service providers in the country? Give you a clue, it's not their prices, and it's sure as hell not their service.
P.S.
I used to do tech support for AT&T Broadband. They outsource most of it, and the company I worked for (as most of them) got paid by the call. Ergo, they got paid more if they screwed things up than if they got it right the first time. You figure out what happened.
A.A
tyvm for the clarification!!! =)
Otherwise I'm not bothered by ads in principle, they might even (gasp!) have information about something I want to buy.--
I can't even remember the last time I saw an ad online for something I actually wanted. Mostly it's those fucking annoying punch the monkey pos' or something equally inane. Lately though, I have seen a few ads for dating / meeting sites. Mostly featuring the complete antithesis of who is actually using them.
*shrugs* YMMV
A.A