Do we really expect business to suddenly save the internet? Codered vigilante is a java based server that listens on 80 then sends back a message to CR infected computers telling them to get a patch.
Well put, with no working theory of consciousness and the ubiqitious over-rated Turing test this whole project sounds more like creating an electronic con man than an intelligent machine.
If you break up the turing test it really just wants to take advantage of our linguistic-psychological habits, idioms, and expectations to fool a human into thinking something false. Neat trick if you can pull it off, imagine higher quality AOLiza comedy but it simply isn't intelligent in any sense of the word.
An intelligent machine wouldn't need to be programmed to fool humans. Its simulation of intelligence/consciousness would be obvious and an after-effect of being intelligent. Definately a cart before the horse problem.
First off, the GUI doesn't make one computer illiterate it actually lets more people use computers. It raises literacy. Maybe not to the level you like, but that's your opinion. The millions who use PCs and have no understanding of their innards are about as much as a problem as the millions of people who can't rebuild the engine in their car or replace a C-V joint.
Secondly, they're still using windows at home which is good because when they move on to college and then some job, chances are if they aren't CS majors they'll be using windows.
The problem, if there really is one, is that no one is programming typical home machines and there's an assumption that you have to know C++ and some Unix to get a handle on it. If you're using windows, use Visual Basic.
I'd much rather see a school teach VB or VBScript in a Windows environment to automate tasks and actually program the thing instead of being limited to whatever software you can buy.
I don't have a problem with the linux + windows solution this school is using, but this elitist attitude of dropping the GUI is just short-sighted and stupid. With linux advocates like these its no wonder it has such a teeny tiny market share in the workstation market.
I wasn't asked to vote for this, the only democratic element in the US is elections. Then you have your oligarchy-element (congress) and your monarch-element (president).
Fortunately, this isn't a goverment design problem as much as it is a soft-money, "government is the shadow cast by big business" type problem - which is true of all governments. We simply don't have enough protections or an acknowledged voice that let us seperate business from government.
You're right, the majority does rule but only in elections, err in theory. Almost forgot about Mr. Bush and company.
My homepage is a link to an ad blocking hosts file. There's no obligation for anyone to view ads on websites. I and a whole lot of others essentially turn them off by default and if you really want to support a site, remove the adserver address that site uses.
You know the old economic vote.
I won't get into how sites dependant on only ad revenue are doomed anyways. But look at fark.com, they cant get any ads so they just asked for money. Next thing you know theres more than a few grand to buy the new server they wanted. I'm not jumping on the "micropayment is the future" non-sense but when used correctly a donation or pay-for service blows banner ads away. Especially the pop under/top variety.
Obviously, the more the government wants to crack down on "hackers" the more protections people who spot security holes and such need. This reminds me of First Aid protection people get, in an emergency you can apply first aid and you cannot be sued for screwing it up.
It would be nice if someone wrote up a bill giving those who report flaws the same protections.
Hey, your writing doesn't suck. I'd rather have a plain-ish, appeal to everyone type review than the flaimbait Katz writes or the unforgivable academic speak that Jamie is so fond of. Can we say English major?
Why aren't we watching their TV shows? There's something to be said about the degradation of the signal after a certain point, especially omnidirectional broadcasts. Background radiation and interference would make NTSC decoding impossible after a certain point.
Personally, I think most security problems are a factor of how little documentation you get/read with new PCs. I'm not quick to bash admins (some are ignorant and lazy but that includes every category of people) as this worm is more @home based than.com based.
Home users get a PC with the promise of easy to use blah blah and a handful of killer apps. It doesn't matter much if its Redhat or MS, if you don't understand the security aspects of being on-line you shouldn't be running a server.
This worm is pretty benign, no deleted system files or content just a big fat backdoor. Its all over the media but I'm really curious if the average @home user got any real message out of this. Maybe they just know to download the patch because its on Cnet and run IIS with one security patch. Ideally, the message should be to get ALL the patches if you're planning on running IIS and subscribe to MS's security list. From what I've read in the media, its probably the former.
There isn't just one Hollywood when making movies, its a beast with many heads. Legal is doing its best to protect the nice DVD niche they've created and the filmmakers themselves will get away with whatever they want be it IRIX, Linux, hand-drawn, etc.
I'd rather see a hypocritical industry without an anti-linux (or anti-anything for that matter) party-line to follow. These are two completely seperate issues, if you don't want to support MPAA then don't spend cash on their movies, what tools they end up using is really of no consequence if you're already boycotting them.
Those are your major hurdles if you want to Cat-5 it all the way down the line. The Wireless stuff, at least the high quality stuff you'd need for an alternanet isn't as cheap as wiring the apartment.
If you're more comfortable signing on to any half-assed theory instead of taking an agnostic approach that's your prerogative. Don't expect to be convincing to anyone but yourself and other "true believers."
Just because it denounces one of the Slashdot "Great Satans" (Intel)
Slashdotters love Intel, not so long ago these boards were full of, "look at my cheap overclocked dual-celeron system!"
The Ghz myth (im updating it a little here) is true and Apple makes a point. I would think average consumers would be more comfortable with an Apple link than say Joe Blow's home made linux based benchmark tool. I'd rather refer non-techies to an Apple page than to something a bit more technical, especially if they're considering buying an Apple.
There a nice fake webserver you can run on unix or windows platforms that launches a warning html page on the attacker's machine. Why let the "authorities" run the net, especially when the code red attackers are asking you for default.ida - whatever you make that to be.
We called them the Luddites - they smashed looms with an anti-technological passion first expressed among the Satanic Mills of 19th Century Lancashire.
Its a commonly known fact that luddites were more against working conditions in cramped spaces costing about 2 fingers per hour than the technology itself. The term was later picked up and changed into Neo-Luddite which is more or less what you're describing.
I don't think a Trotsky-esque world will emerge after Nike unleashes underwear that makes farts smell like roses.
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IIS doesn't even run on 9x, ME, or other spawn of 3.x
Actually you can run a mini version of IIS that could be suspectible to code red on a 95 or 98 machine. The personal webserver from MS is advertised as only working on NT but it'll run on 95 or 98. I haven't tested it 95 though.
I've gotten default.ida hits from PSW so I know its suspectible to at least one kind of code red.
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, all UNIX users on these cable modems suffer because Microsoft did not make a secure web server.
So do NT and 95/98 customers. You know you can run Apache on those platforms don't you?
While I think your over the top soma metaphor is somewhat representative of reality, I certainly don't see "web content" as the great creative force geeks and designers think it is. TV ratings haven't dropped because of the net its just adapted to more profitable shows like Survivor.
Not to mention the web has created almost as many Web/IM "chair potatoes" as TV has done.
It is up to the infected party to take the medicine, and it would be unethical to sieze the unwitting victim and force the medicine into their bodies.
A couple points:
1. The infected party doesn't know they're infected. Kind kills the analogy.
2. Lots are cable modem users whose TOS does not let them run servers to begin with.
3. They're causing a communal problem - excessive network lag. Why let the authority figures make all the decisions when you can just use the exploit to net send them a message telling them their infected.
If more people became part of the problem, we'd have a more informed group of users and tighter security.
This is still in the realm of science fiction. Literally, there are many machines that are smarter than humans, oh like the humble calculator. Can you do math that quickly?
The converse is can the calculator understand algebra or calculus? Nope. Do we currently have machines that aren't as smart as humans but can understand/simulated human mentation? Nope. (I certainly don't think Cyc the database qualifies or that Darwinian algorithms have intelligence) Can 'very briefly' equal never. Yep.
I don't know when or why the a certain part of the geek contingent can't tell the difference between fiction and reality anymore but this transhumanist/Kurzweil/extropian stuff wont work until we have a working model of consciousness that can be verified experimentally.
Vinge and his ilk are this generation's Tim Leary, lots of optimism and futurism but feet planted strictly in the sky.
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Do we really expect business to suddenly save the internet? Codered vigilante is a java based server that listens on 80 then sends back a message to CR infected computers telling them to get a patch.
Well put, with no working theory of consciousness and the ubiqitious over-rated Turing test this whole project sounds more like creating an electronic con man than an intelligent machine.
If you break up the turing test it really just wants to take advantage of our linguistic-psychological habits, idioms, and expectations to fool a human into thinking something false. Neat trick if you can pull it off, imagine higher quality AOLiza comedy but it simply isn't intelligent in any sense of the word.
An intelligent machine wouldn't need to be programmed to fool humans. Its simulation of intelligence/consciousness would be obvious and an after-effect of being intelligent. Definately a cart before the horse problem.
First off, the GUI doesn't make one computer illiterate it actually lets more people use computers. It raises literacy. Maybe not to the level you like, but that's your opinion. The millions who use PCs and have no understanding of their innards are about as much as a problem as the millions of people who can't rebuild the engine in their car or replace a C-V joint.
Secondly, they're still using windows at home which is good because when they move on to college and then some job, chances are if they aren't CS majors they'll be using windows.
The problem, if there really is one, is that no one is programming typical home machines and there's an assumption that you have to know C++ and some Unix to get a handle on it. If you're using windows, use Visual Basic.
I'd much rather see a school teach VB or VBScript in a Windows environment to automate tasks and actually program the thing instead of being limited to whatever software you can buy.
I don't have a problem with the linux + windows solution this school is using, but this elitist attitude of dropping the GUI is just short-sighted and stupid. With linux advocates like these its no wonder it has such a teeny tiny market share in the workstation market.
I wasn't asked to vote for this, the only democratic element in the US is elections. Then you have your oligarchy-element (congress) and your monarch-element (president).
Fortunately, this isn't a goverment design problem as much as it is a soft-money, "government is the shadow cast by big business" type problem - which is true of all governments. We simply don't have enough protections or an acknowledged voice that let us seperate business from government.
You're right, the majority does rule but only in elections, err in theory. Almost forgot about Mr. Bush and company.
My homepage is a link to an ad blocking hosts file. There's no obligation for anyone to view ads on websites. I and a whole lot of others essentially turn them off by default and if you really want to support a site, remove the adserver address that site uses.
You know the old economic vote.
I won't get into how sites dependant on only ad revenue are doomed anyways. But look at fark.com, they cant get any ads so they just asked for money. Next thing you know theres more than a few grand to buy the new server they wanted. I'm not jumping on the "micropayment is the future" non-sense but when used correctly a donation or pay-for service blows banner ads away. Especially the pop under/top variety.
Obviously, the more the government wants to crack down on "hackers" the more protections people who spot security holes and such need. This reminds me of First Aid protection people get, in an emergency you can apply first aid and you cannot be sued for screwing it up.
It would be nice if someone wrote up a bill giving those who report flaws the same protections.
I should fire up Netscape 6 and we'll have a perfect match!
Hey, your writing doesn't suck. I'd rather have a plain-ish, appeal to everyone type review than the flaimbait Katz writes or the unforgivable academic speak that Jamie is so fond of. Can we say English major?
First hack: php spellcheck
All around hack: Jon Katz
Why aren't we watching their TV shows? There's something to be said about the degradation of the signal after a certain point, especially omnidirectional broadcasts. Background radiation and interference would make NTSC decoding impossible after a certain point.
Personally, I think most security problems are a factor of how little documentation you get/read with new PCs. I'm not quick to bash admins (some are ignorant and lazy but that includes every category of people) as this worm is more @home based than .com based.
Home users get a PC with the promise of easy to use blah blah and a handful of killer apps. It doesn't matter much if its Redhat or MS, if you don't understand the security aspects of being on-line you shouldn't be running a server.
This worm is pretty benign, no deleted system files or content just a big fat backdoor. Its all over the media but I'm really curious if the average @home user got any real message out of this. Maybe they just know to download the patch because its on Cnet and run IIS with one security patch. Ideally, the message should be to get ALL the patches if you're planning on running IIS and subscribe to MS's security list. From what I've read in the media, its probably the former.
There isn't just one Hollywood when making movies, its a beast with many heads. Legal is doing its best to protect the nice DVD niche they've created and the filmmakers themselves will get away with whatever they want be it IRIX, Linux, hand-drawn, etc.
I'd rather see a hypocritical industry without an anti-linux (or anti-anything for that matter) party-line to follow. These are two completely seperate issues, if you don't want to support MPAA then don't spend cash on their movies, what tools they end up using is really of no consequence if you're already boycotting them.
Those are your major hurdles if you want to Cat-5 it all the way down the line. The Wireless stuff, at least the high quality stuff you'd need for an alternanet isn't as cheap as wiring the apartment.
If you're more comfortable signing on to any half-assed theory instead of taking an agnostic approach that's your prerogative. Don't expect to be convincing to anyone but yourself and other "true believers."
Just because it denounces one of the Slashdot "Great Satans" (Intel)
Slashdotters love Intel, not so long ago these boards were full of, "look at my cheap overclocked dual-celeron system!"
The Ghz myth (im updating it a little here) is true and Apple makes a point. I would think average consumers would be more comfortable with an Apple link than say Joe Blow's home made linux based benchmark tool. I'd rather refer non-techies to an Apple page than to something a bit more technical, especially if they're considering buying an Apple.
Become a red code vigilante!
There a nice fake webserver you can run on unix or windows platforms that launches a warning html page on the attacker's machine. Why let the "authorities" run the net, especially when the code red attackers are asking you for default.ida - whatever you make that to be.
Link:
http://www.dynwebdev.com/codered/
We called them the Luddites - they smashed looms with an anti-technological passion first expressed among the Satanic Mills of 19th Century Lancashire.
Its a commonly known fact that luddites were more against working conditions in cramped spaces costing about 2 fingers per hour than the technology itself. The term was later picked up and changed into Neo-Luddite which is more or less what you're describing.
I don't think a Trotsky-esque world will emerge after Nike unleashes underwear that makes farts smell like roses.
IIS doesn't even run on 9x, ME, or other spawn of 3.x
Actually you can run a mini version of IIS that could be suspectible to code red on a 95 or 98 machine. The personal webserver from MS is advertised as only working on NT but it'll run on 95 or 98. I haven't tested it 95 though.
I've gotten default.ida hits from PSW so I know its suspectible to at least one kind of code red.
, all UNIX users on these cable modems suffer because Microsoft did not make a secure web server.
So do NT and 95/98 customers. You know you can run Apache on those platforms don't you?
While I think your over the top soma metaphor is somewhat representative of reality, I certainly don't see "web content" as the great creative force geeks and designers think it is. TV ratings haven't dropped because of the net its just adapted to more profitable shows like Survivor.
Not to mention the web has created almost as many Web/IM "chair potatoes" as TV has done.
It is up to the infected party to take the medicine, and it would be unethical to sieze the unwitting victim and force the medicine into their bodies.
A couple points:
1. The infected party doesn't know they're infected. Kind kills the analogy.
2. Lots are cable modem users whose TOS does not let them run servers to begin with.
3. They're causing a communal problem - excessive network lag. Why let the authority figures make all the decisions when you can just use the exploit to net send them a message telling them their infected.
If more people became part of the problem, we'd have a more informed group of users and tighter security.
Well you are breaking policy, if they didn't want your money you'd probably be kicked off by now. O
I like it because it fully admits its nothing more than a B-movie. Granted a B-movie on an A-movie budget.
This is still in the realm of science fiction. Literally, there are many machines that are smarter than humans, oh like the humble calculator. Can you do math that quickly?
The converse is can the calculator understand algebra or calculus? Nope. Do we currently have machines that aren't as smart as humans but can understand/simulated human mentation? Nope. (I certainly don't think Cyc the database qualifies or that Darwinian algorithms have intelligence) Can 'very briefly' equal never. Yep.
I don't know when or why the a certain part of the geek contingent can't tell the difference between fiction and reality anymore but this transhumanist/Kurzweil/extropian stuff wont work until we have a working model of consciousness that can be verified experimentally.
Vinge and his ilk are this generation's Tim Leary, lots of optimism and futurism but feet planted strictly in the sky.
Now that would be a go-cart worthy of a GLH designation. GOES LIKE HELL!
More like GBH - Grievous Bodily Harm