Wait a minute, I think we're missing the point.
Is siri useful in the real world, or just hype for kids who grew up with star trek?
Are people going to talk to their phone everywhere in 2 years?
i've been using ubuntu for 4 years now, at home and at work. I've also converted my wife. She said herself that switching from xp was easy, everything was in the right place, plus she only needs a browser and some sort of document editor like open office. I had been a desktop geek my whole pc life. I've openly drooled for a mac and installed all sorts of windows desktop shell or widget system out there before switching. I've always been open to this kind of stuff and i've tried all sorts of desktop paradigms. first time i heard about gnome 3, then unity i thought they were cool. I've waited for them. I've been avoiding unity for 2 ubuntu versions. I've just switched to 11.10 when that was out of beta and i'm using unity daily. It just sucks! Nothing from my initial review of it was wrong. Too big, too colourful, too optionless (plus this must be the only software for which you need another software package to configure the first. And it's not for unity per se, but for compiz.) I thought that by using it daily and based on my previous love for desktop experiments, my initial reacton will prove to be wrong. I thought i'll get over having to activate a window to minimize it or to not having an intuitive click mechanism to switch between windows of the same app or for opening a new instance of nautilus or terminal (and no, fileknew window doesn't count, that's for grandmothers)roducti. But there is small stupid stuff that i discover every day and that i find backwardds and counter productive.
I find this offending. This is the whole you're-holding-it-wrong thing again. Turns out unity is just perfect and i'm to blame. oh, and there's a reason i mentioned how easy it was to get my wife to switch back in the gnome 2 days. This week a coleague switched, at work. She hates unity too. She's also wrong, right?
I've found issues that were particular either to chrome on linux, or to firefox on windows xp or to safari on windows (don't shoot the messenger), whereas the rest of the combinations of browsers and OS's were fine.
So I don't he's smoking.
I have had a thought in the back of my head ever since I had started hearing about these prostetic arms.
How long before someone will use it as a third upper limb? The brain should(?) be able to integrate this after some training.
You could attach it above the waist or somehow above your shoulder.
Imagine typing with 2 hands and speaking on the phone or puring your self a glass of water:)
Yes, I'd try one:)
If I'm thinking of this, I can't be the only one. Should be easier to try than implanting a web cam in the back of your head.
Well, wouldn't that mean the bacteria would have to learn NOT to feed on sugars? How would it know when is it safe to consume it ?
Or it would have to learn to not feed on sugars as long as antibiotics are present.
I have a 16:9 screen and i still don't understand why do I have someone decide what's best for my desktop configuration (this is still linux, correct?).
Make the default position where it is now but give ME the OPTION to move it.
Also, again, I never had issues with vertical space (in the days where I craved for desktop space it was more for horizontal actually, due to Photoshop's old style panels), I have a mouse with an innovative UI function: the scroll wheel, that allows me to view content out of my vertical space without actually moving my hand anywhere on the screen.
The way I see it is that flash is valuable to Adobe because they have based all their product list ( did anyone browse Adobe's product list? I don't even understand what half f those do and I'm in IT/web) on flash output and on flash been ubiquitous.
So, to me, the only logical thing to do during the few years when flash will still dominate (old browsers, windows xp, online video, inertia, etc) is to add the ability for all of their product suite to output to html 5.
I see people here saying they don't really need Adobe's productivity suite because they can code html 5 by hand. The thing with javascript (and i love javascript) and canvas and all the new standardy stuff is that it's still a nightmare to code everything by hand and take care of all the different browser implementation for various canvas stuff or video support.
So what we need in order to build solid html5 stuff fast and using a nice workflow is a very nice IDE, some sorts of bastraction layers for video and graphics so I don't end up doing browser detection and other scripty stuff. And Adobe will occupy this market again if they are smart and just have their current tools export html5.
The fact that it crashes is not the end of the world. Ubuntu 11.04 is still in beta.
What I don't understand is why Unity has made so many bad UI decisions.
1. the icons are on the left, to conserve vertical space. Ok, but I'm NOT on a netbook. Why not give me the option to move it at the top or at the bottom ?
2. The icons are on the left. Whenever you use content on a screen (in mostt western countries) you start scanning the screen with your eyes from the left to the right. Why do I have to see some brightly colored icons everytime I move to the next line? This never happens if the bar is at the bottom. The eyes focus on the content not on some list of eye-candy icons. Again, why no move it to the RIGHT at least?
3. The window title/window controls fiasco. I don't see why should I perform a specific action to either see the whole title of the window,l the window control buttons or the usual application "File" menu. The desktop is not yet an iPhone. The desktop is still another paradigm. The application menu should be visible at all times! We're not all just using firefox all day long (see Eclipse for exmple.)
4. Blurred windows menus. Why do I have to first focus the window and then hover or something to get it's menu?
PS. Speaking of usability, why does slashdot redirect to it's main page after logging in ???
I still hope unity will change a lot in the next 1-2 years,, otherwise it's just crap they put out to spite gnome.
Does anyone else HATE how the HTTP Auth dialogue blocks your entire browser?
I thought they were working on this for FF4. Safari/Chrome already fixed this.
Firefox changed all other notifications, alerts, password saving dialogues etc to tab-blocking (or straight up non-blocking) UI elements, why not http auth too ???
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I've never used Dojo, so I can't argue regarding code/APIs, but when it comes to widgets and ready made bits that make an app what an app is to a user (a nice consistent interface that he or she uses to get things done) I haven't seen anything that compares to Ext. Dojo has too few widgets and lets admit it, they are ugly, jQueryUI doesn't look as consistent and again, only small cute stuff.
Aside Ext no one seems to have a vision in terms of what a complete UI needs.
Will the huge Minority-Report-touch-screen we'll all have in our homes be a result of this architecture you're describing or will it be a requirement for developing it?
Since you mentioned drag'n'drop I think it will be the second. So we'll wave our hands around to program... Enter the STS (Shoulder Tunnel Syndrome).
Ahhh, so you're the one my boss thinks of when he sais "Ah, that's clever, but what if the user has disabled javascript?". I guess you're friends with that guy who disables cookies and his buddy tin-foil-man.
Why the hell have browsers evolved if you still look in the source code to find content? Why don't you donwload html and use it like that? Best browser for you could be wget i guess.
4 blades?
Why are you leaving in the stone age? Why don't you use a knife instead?
We have upgraded to 6 (yes, SIX) blades like for... months!!!
Best sell your flintstone car and buy an SUV. They will be the next big thing.
The Zend Framework (PHP) has a Captcha component which supports what you mentioned, ASCII words, made of many smaller letters. And I'm sure they didn't invented it.
I can't even decide to whoch moron to reply out of the hundreds who don't seem to understand that the issue is not bandwidth or how much it takes to "buffer" or stream the stuff.
The issue is latency. I press a button, the signal has to travel to the servers, the software receives it, makes a change, generates the content, then the systems stream it back to me. How can you make that instantaneous? How can you sync that with the other players?
You cannot buffer anything here as its all dynamic, not predefined like with HD movies, where you don;t care if the frames you are watching left the servers one minute ago.
How come the users over at engadget got this faster than you?
Yes, and MS should stick to selling OS kernels, maybe ones that don't even boot, because there might be other companies or groups that produce software that boots kernels.
Actually they should sell ONE line of code, anything else is considered 'integrating' software.
Seriously now, does anyone forces you to buy and OS that is not that modular? How can anyone force MS to produce an OS in any other manner than they produce? The market should be enough to decide if thats what users want or not.
Why NOT integrate whatever they want, write it on the box and thats it.
This is just EU's bureaucracy machine mindless marching on.
I'm no fan of either but for that kind of music sampling is not ripping off or stealing.
Whoever liked a BB track only because it sampled Led Zep has a weird musical sense,but,hey, whatever gets you into good music is ok.
PS. I knew that was Kashmir in the background from the start, i never thought of it as a rip off,but as something between a cover and sampling. That's just hip-hop. For example i like 2Pac's Changes and whenever i hear the original piano song it uses in the background, i find it too simple and flat, kinda like 2Pac did it a favour.
F*ck, is it so hard to understand what this guy is saying?
Games are going the same path every product on the shelf is going. You can buy shampoo with pearl extract now, and furniture cleaning products with aloe vera. Wow, really? Like that really matters.
Its the same with games. I'm sure the next big thing will be that real time ray traceing I keep hearing about. It will be the same game, but with better graphics, reflections, whatever. Yes, i know, it would be a computational brakethrough. But MY time will be spent the same way, going down corridors shooting bad persons.
I'm not old, I'm not against consoles, I'm not agains PC's, but you people have to admit that we need a brakethrough in gameplay from time to time, LIKE the one FPS brought. Remeber how you felt when you FIRST played a fps. Now, how do we get to feeeling that again?
Exactly, I kinda hope he comes back explaining Zeppelin without the "Led" is another band, cos I kinda dug his post.
Especially the bit about QT's movies, and I'm not trying to flame.
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Wait a minute, I think we're missing the point. Is siri useful in the real world, or just hype for kids who grew up with star trek? Are people going to talk to their phone everywhere in 2 years?
i've been using ubuntu for 4 years now, at home and at work. I've also converted my wife. She said herself that switching from xp was easy, everything was in the right place, plus she only needs a browser and some sort of document editor like open office.
I had been a desktop geek my whole pc life. I've openly drooled for a mac and installed all sorts of windows desktop shell or widget system out there before switching. I've always been open to this kind of stuff and i've tried all sorts of desktop paradigms.
first time i heard about gnome 3, then unity i thought they were cool. I've waited for them.
I've been avoiding unity for 2 ubuntu versions. I've just switched to 11.10 when that was out of beta and i'm using unity daily.
It just sucks! Nothing from my initial review of it was wrong.
Too big, too colourful, too optionless (plus this must be the only software for which you need another software package to configure the first. And it's not for unity per se, but for compiz.)
I thought that by using it daily and based on my previous love for desktop experiments, my initial reacton will prove to be wrong. I thought i'll get over having to activate a window to minimize it or to not having an intuitive click mechanism to switch between windows of the same app or for opening a new instance of nautilus or terminal (and no, fileknew window doesn't count, that's for grandmothers)roducti.
But there is small stupid stuff that i discover every day and that i find backwardds and counter productive.
I find this offending. This is the whole you're-holding-it-wrong thing again. Turns out unity is just perfect and i'm to blame.
oh, and there's a reason i mentioned how easy it was to get my wife to switch back in the gnome 2 days. This week a coleague switched, at work. She hates unity too. She's also wrong, right?
I've found issues that were particular either to chrome on linux, or to firefox on windows xp or to safari on windows (don't shoot the messenger), whereas the rest of the combinations of browsers and OS's were fine. So I don't he's smoking.
How exactly is a name "in English"?
I have had a thought in the back of my head ever since I had started hearing about these prostetic arms. :) :)
How long before someone will use it as a third upper limb? The brain should(?) be able to integrate this after some training.
You could attach it above the waist or somehow above your shoulder.
Imagine typing with 2 hands and speaking on the phone or puring your self a glass of water
Yes, I'd try one
If I'm thinking of this, I can't be the only one. Should be easier to try than implanting a web cam in the back of your head.
Well, wouldn't that mean the bacteria would have to learn NOT to feed on sugars? How would it know when is it safe to consume it ? Or it would have to learn to not feed on sugars as long as antibiotics are present.
I have a 16:9 screen and i still don't understand why do I have someone decide what's best for my desktop configuration (this is still linux, correct?).
Make the default position where it is now but give ME the OPTION to move it.
Also, again, I never had issues with vertical space (in the days where I craved for desktop space it was more for horizontal actually, due to Photoshop's old style panels), I have a mouse with an innovative UI function: the scroll wheel, that allows me to view content out of my vertical space without actually moving my hand anywhere on the screen.
The way I see it is that flash is valuable to Adobe because they have based all their product list ( did anyone browse Adobe's product list? I don't even understand what half f those do and I'm in IT/web) on flash output and on flash been ubiquitous.
So, to me, the only logical thing to do during the few years when flash will still dominate (old browsers, windows xp, online video, inertia, etc) is to add the ability for all of their product suite to output to html 5.
I see people here saying they don't really need Adobe's productivity suite because they can code html 5 by hand. The thing with javascript (and i love javascript) and canvas and all the new standardy stuff is that it's still a nightmare to code everything by hand and take care of all the different browser implementation for various canvas stuff or video support.
So what we need in order to build solid html5 stuff fast and using a nice workflow is a very nice IDE, some sorts of bastraction layers for video and graphics so I don't end up doing browser detection and other scripty stuff. And Adobe will occupy this market again if they are smart and just have their current tools export html5.
The fact that it crashes is not the end of the world. Ubuntu 11.04 is still in beta.
What I don't understand is why Unity has made so many bad UI decisions.
1. the icons are on the left, to conserve vertical space. Ok, but I'm NOT on a netbook. Why not give me the option to move it at the top or at the bottom ?
2. The icons are on the left. Whenever you use content on a screen (in mostt western countries) you start scanning the screen with your eyes from the left to the right. Why do I have to see some brightly colored icons everytime I move to the next line? This never happens if the bar is at the bottom. The eyes focus on the content not on some list of eye-candy icons. Again, why no move it to the RIGHT at least?
3. The window title/window controls fiasco. I don't see why should I perform a specific action to either see the whole title of the window,l the window control buttons or the usual application "File" menu. The desktop is not yet an iPhone. The desktop is still another paradigm. The application menu should be visible at all times! We're not all just using firefox all day long (see Eclipse for exmple.)
4. Blurred windows menus. Why do I have to first focus the window and then hover or something to get it's menu?
PS. Speaking of usability, why does slashdot redirect to it's main page after logging in ??? I still hope unity will change a lot in the next 1-2 years,, otherwise it's just crap they put out to spite gnome.
Does anyone else HATE how the HTTP Auth dialogue blocks your entire browser? I thought they were working on this for FF4. Safari/Chrome already fixed this. Firefox changed all other notifications, alerts, password saving dialogues etc to tab-blocking (or straight up non-blocking) UI elements, why not http auth too ???
I've never used Dojo, so I can't argue regarding code/APIs, but when it comes to widgets and ready made bits that make an app what an app is to a user (a nice consistent interface that he or she uses to get things done) I haven't seen anything that compares to Ext. Dojo has too few widgets and lets admit it, they are ugly, jQueryUI doesn't look as consistent and again, only small cute stuff.
Aside Ext no one seems to have a vision in terms of what a complete UI needs.
Will the huge Minority-Report-touch-screen we'll all have in our homes be a result of this architecture you're describing or will it be a requirement for developing it?
Since you mentioned drag'n'drop I think it will be the second.
So we'll wave our hands around to program... Enter the STS (Shoulder Tunnel Syndrome).
haha, exactly. And if I HAD mod points, I would mod you up too :)
Obama emits black light.
Ahhh, so you're the one my boss thinks of when he sais "Ah, that's clever, but what if the user has disabled javascript?". I guess you're friends with that guy who disables cookies and his buddy tin-foil-man.
Why the hell have browsers evolved if you still look in the source code to find content? Why don't you donwload html and use it like that? Best browser for you could be wget i guess.
4 blades? Why are you leaving in the stone age? Why don't you use a knife instead? We have upgraded to 6 (yes, SIX) blades like for... months!!! Best sell your flintstone car and buy an SUV. They will be the next big thing.
Ok, that might be true, but ever clicked two or three youtube links? Now, that's annoying...
Slightly offtopic: why the hell does youtube autoplays the movies when you open up a page?
The Zend Framework (PHP) has a Captcha component which supports what you mentioned, ASCII words, made of many smaller letters. And I'm sure they didn't invented it.
I can't even decide to whoch moron to reply out of the hundreds who don't seem to understand that the issue is not bandwidth or how much it takes to "buffer" or stream the stuff.
The issue is latency. I press a button, the signal has to travel to the servers, the software receives it, makes a change, generates the content, then the systems stream it back to me. How can you make that instantaneous? How can you sync that with the other players?
You cannot buffer anything here as its all dynamic, not predefined like with HD movies, where you don;t care if the frames you are watching left the servers one minute ago.
How come the users over at engadget got this faster than you?
What? JavaScript is NOT java ? Next you'll tell me that there is no connection too!
Yes, and MS should stick to selling OS kernels, maybe ones that don't even boot, because there might be other companies or groups that produce software that boots kernels.
Actually they should sell ONE line of code, anything else is considered 'integrating' software.
Seriously now, does anyone forces you to buy and OS that is not that modular? How can anyone force MS to produce an OS in any other manner than they produce? The market should be enough to decide if thats what users want or not.
Why NOT integrate whatever they want, write it on the box and thats it.
This is just EU's bureaucracy machine mindless marching on.
I'm no fan of either but for that kind of music sampling is not ripping off or stealing.
Whoever liked a BB track only because it sampled Led Zep has a weird musical sense,but,hey, whatever gets you into good music is ok.
PS. I knew that was Kashmir in the background from the start, i never thought of it as a rip off,but as something between a cover and sampling. That's just hip-hop. For example i like 2Pac's Changes and whenever i hear the original piano song it uses in the background, i find it too simple and flat, kinda like 2Pac did it a favour.
F*ck, is it so hard to understand what this guy is saying?
Games are going the same path every product on the shelf is going. You can buy shampoo with pearl extract now, and furniture cleaning products with aloe vera. Wow, really? Like that really matters.
Its the same with games. I'm sure the next big thing will be that real time ray traceing I keep hearing about. It will be the same game, but with better graphics, reflections, whatever. Yes, i know, it would be a computational brakethrough.
But MY time will be spent the same way, going down corridors shooting bad persons.
I'm not old, I'm not against consoles, I'm not agains PC's, but you people have to admit that we need a brakethrough in gameplay from time to time, LIKE the one FPS brought. Remeber how you felt when you FIRST played a fps. Now, how do we get to feeeling that again?
Exactly, I kinda hope he comes back explaining Zeppelin without the "Led" is another band, cos I kinda dug his post.
Especially the bit about QT's movies, and I'm not trying to flame.