Why was this marked as troll? I found it funny, i can find no other way to answer or read the post this replied to other than to make fun of the cretin that wrote it.
Maybe my use of endorsed was unfortunate. They are not part of the mozilla foundation, people just developed stuff using their code base, and sometimes some of the developers from Mozilla joined in in their spare time.
But you are missing the point, Firefox no matter how bloated one might find it today because of some of the later features like the new address bar or whatever, is still just a browser, you can't say they're going back to the old Mozilla. You still have at least 2 diff apps to install now, and a bunch of extensions for firefox to complete the old platform.
Why do i have to admit this 'you can't prove a negative'?
It seems more common sense to me that whoever states that god exists should also prove it, so that i don;t get into the position where I have to prove that it doesnt so that he can snapback and say 'you can't prove a negative, gotcha!'.
Makes no sense to me. Until someone proves that god exists I don't KNOW of any.
Now, really, someone, please tell me, and I swear it's not a rethorical question, do i really have to consider that santa exists so that i can be scientific about the spirit of xmas? Tell me.
Yes, but how many of these are endorsed by the Mozilla Foundation? I think this is the issue, how THEY handle this, not what others build on top of their platform, right?
To be honest I never understood why its more 'scientific' to say that the existence of fairies is an unknown matter.
From what I have learned about this universe, and considering that the source of my knowledge has helped us achieve real measurable progress both in quality of life and knowledge about the universe, I too doubt the existence of gods.
Their very nature forbid their existence in this universe. If gods really existed and they really created this universe then they are outside it now, in some sort of very different reality that is neither provable or disprovable and, more important, unreachable. Ever. So that makes them as useful as something that does not exist can be.
It might seem i'm contradicting my self, but i'm not cos even if they were true, in the only that i see posible, they are not gods, but just conscious beeings like us. I see no reasons for prayers, afterlife, churches, souls, etc.
Do you remeber what Mozilla is/was?
Download it and see.
The idea was to obtain good brand recognition for the products of the mozilla foundation, which couldn;t be obtained with a bulk of a software that was a browser, email client, email composer, irc client, etc, all in one.
And it kinda worked. They created a separated product for each of the main 2 functions: browsing and emailing, with different names, but related, different logos, but related.
And their market shared increased.
I agree it can be argued that certain newly added features could have been kept as extensions or at least options that you can disable, but IF firefox is bloated now its no way the same kid of bloat mozilla is.
Yes, the role of science is not to prove or disprove god, or to tell people whether they should believe in one. Science tried to explain what the universe is, how did it came by, how does it work and so on. And until now, god isn't needed in any theory and more, the way god has been presented by the self appointed god-experts, in the last 2000 (or more) years, cannot exist. Hence, why it sometimes tells people through voices like Dawkins' that you shouldn't believe in god. Just like a dentist tells you you shouldn't eat too many sweets.
Now, i think the televised appearance you mention is the same i know from youtube. If it is, then he is the one that first asked by a woman what happens if he is wrong and god exists. Hence the dispute.
Sorry to butt in, but let's say a female did lose the ability to consider a bigger tail as an advantage, ok?
So what?
IF, and i stress IF, the offspring carries the mutation (cos it doesn't have to) it still needs to be a female for the mutation to be useful in this context, i mean for the mutation to determine choosing mates with not so big tails.
And even if it does, maybe she runs into a very persuasive male with a big tail, so her mutation is usefull.
And as someone above said, no offense, but i fail to see your point. What are you bothered by? A term darwin coined? An exaplanation he gave? Thing is even you agreen evolution really works as described, so what if an aspect wasn't explained quite as you expect it?
No theory is un-improvable.
Care to elaborate your humble opinion?
Ever read any of his books? Please explain how he is nut job and how he is straying beyoind science into belief.
Enlighten us please.
Quote: due to the stronger democratic traditions in the U.S
Trying hard not to burst laughing. Since when is letting religion bare the same importance in education (while still beeing an unproven story) democracy?
Wasn't US the only country that started a communist hunt during the 50's, as bad as the russians had for anti-communists?
Was there another country that burned Beatles records in public because Lennon said they were more popular than Jesus?
Maybe it seems unrelated, but its not. It goes to show that the US are deeply traditionalist and conservatory country, no matter how much freedom f speech you seem to have.
I have a similar story, after gicing linux a few tries in the past years (red hat, slackware, gentoo) i finally switched over completly. Forst at work, and then at home. Even convinced the family.
Thing is, i never used Outlook anyway, whenever i was forced to use a non-web email app, i used Thunderbird. Maybe i'm not the financial executive type, to need all those calendard, todo's and other features.
And i can tell you that the only thing that i miss on linux is Photoshop. For that i have vmware, where i have XP installed.
Office is totally replaceable, from my standpoint, but i admit that i only used words from time to time, i suck at excel too.
So, to be short, there are users who can switch over completely, unless they need some special niche software.
Sorry, but why is writting down password secure?
Maybe i don;t get this point.
Thing is I never understood why amdins preffer those random generated passwords, like df@w7#5tyyyj
Those will be writtend down. In notebooks or files on the computer, in unprotected folders.
I've seen people emailing themselves some new password. Thats very secure too, when you use some obscure email provider (for various reasons).
I use sentences as passwords, with or without spaces between words. You can't forget those, human minds are wired to remember patterns, groups of words. And the posibilities are huge, making it very hard to crack unless you use stuff like 'Luke, i'm your father' or 'There is no spoon'.
What i was trying to sum up and did't do a very good job, maybe, was that the fact that those people gave up on finding a solution to a false problem (shit piling up to the 3rd floor) doesn't mean that the problem was false. Actually it could be called falsely-false or something:)
The idea is that the same context that made then gather for 3 days created a need an oportunity for a more modern transportation device. Not the shit itself, but the willing of OTHER people to find another angle to tackle transportation.
And the fact that the first group of people gave up finding a solution is of no argument. The problem didn't get solved out of nowhere, just like global warming, if truely caused by us, won't get solved by itslef. It got solved by the second group of people.
And this example the original post gave is just accidentalyy related to the polution/cars issue i guess. Its not only cars that create global warming anyway. Cars could be the easiest sub-problem to solve i guess. But what about heavy industries? Where will all the electricity come from for all the stuff that is going electric (read "GREEN") now?
I have to agree. At first i agreed to the original idea, that the horse manure conference was silly.
But then i remebered that the London Subway was created just because of THAT. Crowded hundred-of-years-old streets that just couldn;t take any more pedestrian and 'automated' traffic. And guess just what the automated traffic solution was back then. Horse carriages. For people, merchandise, post, everything.
Ok, the people that attended the horse manure conference did't just go back to their homes and invented the automobile and just because it's silly that they envisioned 1950's New York covered in horse shit doesn't mean their calculations were wrong.
People bought cheap T-models not only because of the hype and the novelty of it all, but because they proved very reliable and easy to use. And they didn't shit on the street or in your paddock.
And gasoline was the most cheapest and available propulsion. I've always wondered where would we have been without oil (i don't know, different biological processed, different geologica structure, no huge-animals-evolution-step), people would have taken the steps we are taking now towards electrical cars, but 100 years earlier.
The first london underground trains had steam engines. The second batch were already electric, very revolutionary at the moment.
So yes, as silly as those men were, the fact that other people produced solutions for the same problem they gathered there for means it was a time for solutions, and not for hidding their heads in the sand.
Ironically enough, their solution is our problem now. We're now covered in car-shit.
Dude, its add-on! What do you mean default to off???
Don;t install it, or if you install it why make it set default locations? Other than to seem you're traveling at the speed of light...
I finished implementing COBOL in Tamarin around february, you're so last year.
I'm looking for a fast desk-top scanner that accepts batches of 100 punch cards so that I can implement that in browsers. That would e way cooler that Quake. I will do basic math !!!
Exactly. I mean the first paragraph about countries owing it to the USA raised an eyebrow, but when he got to the stuff about the third world, the right to use the earth and termites i took a quick look to see if anyone else modded it funny. Sadly, no.But then again when it comes to religion everyone prefers to take it seriously, god (pun intended) forbid to make fun of someone religious beliefs...
Actually php4 code runs perfectly on php5, maybe some stuff throws warnings at worst. So how is that not-backwards-compatible? I never imagined that meand that i'm supposed to be able to run python 3 or php5 code on python 2 or php4, right?
I never saw it like that, on the contrary, people were never satisfied with the level of "cleaning" that php5 brought. Stuff like register_globals can still be set to on, a lot of function names are still not in tune with the rest of the language and so on.
PHP6 will bring some of that, but again issues are left unsolved. I would have preferred some badly named functions to throw off notices at least instructing you to use the new prettier function and discontinue the old one in php6. or give up stuff like register globals from php5.
I know function names is not the key factor in a language or that register globals is not the only php issue, but to conclude, 1, php did the exact opposite and 2, i'd have chosen then what python does now. Would have helped mature and grow the language sooner of its script kiddie market.
Yeah. I had SETI years ago, then forgot about it. Years later, i mean last year, i installed Rosetta.
I'm all for finding aliens, i really am, but new drugs for incurable illnesses seem more important in the short run. And we're all here, on Earth,for the short run. In the long run, we all die:)
Yes, and you'll take a pic of the tip of the Empire State Building or the grass, instead of your chosen subject.
No one sais a quadro/tetrapod can't be set to align with the horizontal, but why work more and adjust for every milimetrical movement of the camera?
Ok, where?
Where the US are NOT fighting wars 10.000 miles away from home to power up all the 12V Super Charged Double Turbo 800 Hp bright orange ugly reconditioned cars or the all migthy SUV's (yes, it sounds too simple, I know, actually its all about "geostrategical and tactical development") but call it "defending our country"?
I can't find the place.
Or maybe somewhere where irony doesnt have to be explained in so many words...
Why irony? Because i find it ironic to see someone explainig how US is spending so little on defense. I know, it's because they want to make the world a better place. Them and Michael Jackson.
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Why was this marked as troll? I found it funny, i can find no other way to answer or read the post this replied to other than to make fun of the cretin that wrote it.
Maybe my use of endorsed was unfortunate. They are not part of the mozilla foundation, people just developed stuff using their code base, and sometimes some of the developers from Mozilla joined in in their spare time.
But you are missing the point, Firefox no matter how bloated one might find it today because of some of the later features like the new address bar or whatever, is still just a browser, you can't say they're going back to the old Mozilla. You still have at least 2 diff apps to install now, and a bunch of extensions for firefox to complete the old platform.
Why do i have to admit this 'you can't prove a negative'?
It seems more common sense to me that whoever states that god exists should also prove it, so that i don;t get into the position where I have to prove that it doesnt so that he can snapback and say 'you can't prove a negative, gotcha!'.
Makes no sense to me. Until someone proves that god exists I don't KNOW of any.
Now, really, someone, please tell me, and I swear it's not a rethorical question, do i really have to consider that santa exists so that i can be scientific about the spirit of xmas? Tell me.
Yes, but how many of these are endorsed by the Mozilla Foundation? I think this is the issue, how THEY handle this, not what others build on top of their platform, right?
To be honest I never understood why its more 'scientific' to say that the existence of fairies is an unknown matter.
From what I have learned about this universe, and considering that the source of my knowledge has helped us achieve real measurable progress both in quality of life and knowledge about the universe, I too doubt the existence of gods.
Their very nature forbid their existence in this universe. If gods really existed and they really created this universe then they are outside it now, in some sort of very different reality that is neither provable or disprovable and, more important, unreachable. Ever. So that makes them as useful as something that does not exist can be.
It might seem i'm contradicting my self, but i'm not cos even if they were true, in the only that i see posible, they are not gods, but just conscious beeings like us. I see no reasons for prayers, afterlife, churches, souls, etc.
Do you remeber what Mozilla is/was?
Download it and see.
The idea was to obtain good brand recognition for the products of the mozilla foundation, which couldn;t be obtained with a bulk of a software that was a browser, email client, email composer, irc client, etc, all in one.
And it kinda worked. They created a separated product for each of the main 2 functions: browsing and emailing, with different names, but related, different logos, but related.
And their market shared increased.
I agree it can be argued that certain newly added features could have been kept as extensions or at least options that you can disable, but IF firefox is bloated now its no way the same kid of bloat mozilla is.
Yes, the role of science is not to prove or disprove god, or to tell people whether they should believe in one. Science tried to explain what the universe is, how did it came by, how does it work and so on. And until now, god isn't needed in any theory and more, the way god has been presented by the self appointed god-experts, in the last 2000 (or more) years, cannot exist. Hence, why it sometimes tells people through voices like Dawkins' that you shouldn't believe in god. Just like a dentist tells you you shouldn't eat too many sweets.
Now, i think the televised appearance you mention is the same i know from youtube. If it is, then he is the one that first asked by a woman what happens if he is wrong and god exists. Hence the dispute.
Sorry to butt in, but let's say a female did lose the ability to consider a bigger tail as an advantage, ok? So what? IF, and i stress IF, the offspring carries the mutation (cos it doesn't have to) it still needs to be a female for the mutation to be useful in this context, i mean for the mutation to determine choosing mates with not so big tails. And even if it does, maybe she runs into a very persuasive male with a big tail, so her mutation is usefull.
And as someone above said, no offense, but i fail to see your point. What are you bothered by? A term darwin coined? An exaplanation he gave? Thing is even you agreen evolution really works as described, so what if an aspect wasn't explained quite as you expect it?
No theory is un-improvable.
Care to elaborate your humble opinion?
Ever read any of his books? Please explain how he is nut job and how he is straying beyoind science into belief.
Enlighten us please.
Quote: due to the stronger democratic traditions in the U.S Trying hard not to burst laughing. Since when is letting religion bare the same importance in education (while still beeing an unproven story) democracy? Wasn't US the only country that started a communist hunt during the 50's, as bad as the russians had for anti-communists? Was there another country that burned Beatles records in public because Lennon said they were more popular than Jesus?
Maybe it seems unrelated, but its not. It goes to show that the US are deeply traditionalist and conservatory country, no matter how much freedom f speech you seem to have.
I have a similar story, after gicing linux a few tries in the past years (red hat, slackware, gentoo) i finally switched over completly. Forst at work, and then at home. Even convinced the family.
Thing is, i never used Outlook anyway, whenever i was forced to use a non-web email app, i used Thunderbird. Maybe i'm not the financial executive type, to need all those calendard, todo's and other features.
And i can tell you that the only thing that i miss on linux is Photoshop. For that i have vmware, where i have XP installed. Office is totally replaceable, from my standpoint, but i admit that i only used words from time to time, i suck at excel too.
So, to be short, there are users who can switch over completely, unless they need some special niche software.
Sorry, but why is writting down password secure? Maybe i don;t get this point. Thing is I never understood why amdins preffer those random generated passwords, like df@w7#5tyyyj
Those will be writtend down. In notebooks or files on the computer, in unprotected folders. I've seen people emailing themselves some new password. Thats very secure too, when you use some obscure email provider (for various reasons).
I use sentences as passwords, with or without spaces between words. You can't forget those, human minds are wired to remember patterns, groups of words. And the posibilities are huge, making it very hard to crack unless you use stuff like 'Luke, i'm your father' or 'There is no spoon'.
What i was trying to sum up and did't do a very good job, maybe, was that the fact that those people gave up on finding a solution to a false problem (shit piling up to the 3rd floor) doesn't mean that the problem was false. Actually it could be called falsely-false or something :)
The idea is that the same context that made then gather for 3 days created a need an oportunity for a more modern transportation device. Not the shit itself, but the willing of OTHER people to find another angle to tackle transportation.
And the fact that the first group of people gave up finding a solution is of no argument. The problem didn't get solved out of nowhere, just like global warming, if truely caused by us, won't get solved by itslef. It got solved by the second group of people.
And this example the original post gave is just accidentalyy related to the polution/cars issue i guess. Its not only cars that create global warming anyway. Cars could be the easiest sub-problem to solve i guess. But what about heavy industries? Where will all the electricity come from for all the stuff that is going electric (read "GREEN") now?
I have to agree. At first i agreed to the original idea, that the horse manure conference was silly.
But then i remebered that the London Subway was created just because of THAT. Crowded hundred-of-years-old streets that just couldn;t take any more pedestrian and 'automated' traffic. And guess just what the automated traffic solution was back then. Horse carriages. For people, merchandise, post, everything.
Ok, the people that attended the horse manure conference did't just go back to their homes and invented the automobile and just because it's silly that they envisioned 1950's New York covered in horse shit doesn't mean their calculations were wrong.
People bought cheap T-models not only because of the hype and the novelty of it all, but because they proved very reliable and easy to use. And they didn't shit on the street or in your paddock.
And gasoline was the most cheapest and available propulsion. I've always wondered where would we have been without oil (i don't know, different biological processed, different geologica structure, no huge-animals-evolution-step), people would have taken the steps we are taking now towards electrical cars, but 100 years earlier.
The first london underground trains had steam engines. The second batch were already electric, very revolutionary at the moment.
So yes, as silly as those men were, the fact that other people produced solutions for the same problem they gathered there for means it was a time for solutions, and not for hidding their heads in the sand.
Ironically enough, their solution is our problem now. We're now covered in car-shit.
Ah, fellatio!
I see. So you never please your lady, do you?
Dude, its add-on! What do you mean default to off???
Don;t install it, or if you install it why make it set default locations?
Other than to seem you're traveling at the speed of light...
I finished implementing COBOL in Tamarin around february, you're so last year.
I'm looking for a fast desk-top scanner that accepts batches of 100 punch cards so that I can implement that in browsers. That would e way cooler that Quake. I will do basic math !!!
Do you accept coupons for this crash course in C? :)
Also, is paypal ok?
Exactly. I mean the first paragraph about countries owing it to the USA raised an eyebrow, but when he got to the stuff about the third world, the right to use the earth and termites i took a quick look to see if anyone else modded it funny. Sadly, no.But then again when it comes to religion everyone prefers to take it seriously, god (pun intended) forbid to make fun of someone religious beliefs...
Hmm, no.
Actually php4 code runs perfectly on php5, maybe some stuff throws warnings at worst. So how is that not-backwards-compatible? I never imagined that meand that i'm supposed to be able to run python 3 or php5 code on python 2 or php4, right?
I never saw it like that, on the contrary, people were never satisfied with the level of "cleaning" that php5 brought. Stuff like register_globals can still be set to on, a lot of function names are still not in tune with the rest of the language and so on.
PHP6 will bring some of that, but again issues are left unsolved. I would have preferred some badly named functions to throw off notices at least instructing you to use the new prettier function and discontinue the old one in php6. or give up stuff like register globals from php5.
I know function names is not the key factor in a language or that register globals is not the only php issue, but to conclude, 1, php did the exact opposite and 2, i'd have chosen then what python does now. Would have helped mature and grow the language sooner of its script kiddie market.
Yeah. I had SETI years ago, then forgot about it. Years later, i mean last year, i installed Rosetta. I'm all for finding aliens, i really am, but new drugs for incurable illnesses seem more important in the short run. And we're all here, on Earth,for the short run. In the long run, we all die :)
Must have been, Philip K. Dick, that wrote the original story, died in 82.
What? Heinsenberg stole Schrodinger's cat?
Damn physicists...
Yes, and you'll take a pic of the tip of the Empire State Building or the grass, instead of your chosen subject.
No one sais a quadro/tetrapod can't be set to align with the horizontal, but why work more and adjust for every milimetrical movement of the camera?
Ok, where? Where the US are NOT fighting wars 10.000 miles away from home to power up all the 12V Super Charged Double Turbo 800 Hp bright orange ugly reconditioned cars or the all migthy SUV's (yes, it sounds too simple, I know, actually its all about "geostrategical and tactical development") but call it "defending our country"? I can't find the place. Or maybe somewhere where irony doesnt have to be explained in so many words... Why irony? Because i find it ironic to see someone explainig how US is spending so little on defense. I know, it's because they want to make the world a better place. Them and Michael Jackson.