Virtue is not about their loss, it is about your morals, honesty and intehrity.
I do not know you so it doesn't matter to me. But you essentially just said as long as you can justify it. It makes a moving target so to speak. It sends the message that i can trust you as long as i do not leave anything valuable or important out. I'm sure you have an expectation of higher regard then that.
However, i am not sure i can disagree with your actions given the circumstances. I will bet quite a few others would do the same. So i have to ask, suppose you purchased something locally snd the clerk gave you to much change, what would you do?
I don't think it was about being christian as much as it was annoying. While the guy who got physical was raised to belive in God, the extent of worship and practice was likely thanking god when he got lucky or something.
I mean the guy sat through it several times before getting physical and warned him to shut up about it. I hang out in some rough bars, even worked at some as a bouncer (although not this one). People get upset over the dumbest things when drinking sometimes. I remember breaking up a fight because someone played rap music on the juke box. I saw a fight over some girl saying she got beat by one of them 15 years prior to the fight. Another time there was an off duty cop who kept trying to buy drugs and several people knew he was a cop and beat his ass. That was interesting because i was a witness at the trial, the defense said they beat him up because he kept interupting him on a date asking for drugs not because he arrested him several years prior. The guy ended up with one year probation and two weeks jail suspended based on the probation.
Like in the example i gave, they don't realize how obnoxious they are. The point of my post was that people don't think they are doing anything wrong or offensive when they are.
Most people i knpw that live on a flood plain do so after the civil engineers and army core of engineers built the dams to control the flooding. For instance in my home town area, they built a series of five resiviors for flood control that allowed industrial lands near the river and old erie canal to be safe for residential use once the canal was closed. Over the years, two of those dams had been removed instead of replaced and urban sprawl has changed the amounts of watershed which has turned areas never considered a flood risk into a flood zone.
It really isn't a matter of someone saying this looks nice, now build a dam and protect me with public money. If that were the case, i would completely agree with you.
Here is why thr tea pot doesn't fit. Not only are you saying you hsvn't convinced me, but it isn't true and you are stupid too.
You see, the second two parts are affirmative asertions outside what you were asked to believe and require just as much weight as you place on the burden of proof yourself. Its like you saying you spilled wine on the carpet a couple of weeks ago and it didn't stain it. You have no way to prove it to me so i can either trust you or not. But when i say you had no wine and you didn't spill anything, i do need to validate that.
This is likely more true than not. Society and even familiy has historically sought to increase its safety in security as well as resources like food and of course labor by increasing its population. Homosexuality would deprive such benifits as so would masterbation that until recently was taboo too.
Whether this dislike of what would defeat population growth and hence the security of the unit is instinctual or learned might be a good question to explore. But it is something that doesn't need religion to flourish.
I don't doubt what he says because i think i know who he is in other posts. He likely walked into a prayer meeting held by some jocks before a football game and started refering to god as a sky fairy then attempted to explain the fiction of religion and how he was too smart to fall for it like those idiots.
You can see people like that all over/. And they pop up in odd places too. I remember some kid walking into a bar with a fsm shirt on and proudly explianing to anyone who asked how it was making fun of religion in school. He was asked to shut the hell up about it several times and said it was a free country. I think i heard one if the regulars say then i'm free to do this just before mopping the floor with him. The bouncer stood there and told him he was lucky he wasn't hurt more. Of course he called the cops from the parking lot and claimed he didn't do anything but the cop saw that he was trying to incite people. We told the cops the guy who hit him came in with him origionally and left right after kicking his ass. Nothing was done about it.
I cannot tell you why people are living in those places. I imagine there are lots of reasons ranging from economics to resorces to preference. I just know that we have the abilities to mitigate the risks should we want to.
Are you really that daft? Dams control the flooding. No one even hinted about causes. And yes, fire breaks contain fires long enough to get to them and keep them under control. Controlled burns is like having one large fire broken into segments and spread over a number of years. It is not dificult.
No, it absolutely does not make me feel good that you are stupid. In fact, it makes me sad for you. You asked what my point was and it was pretty obvious the first time.
But hey, i like the way you dealt or didn't deal with those inconvienient facts laid in front of you. I guess trying to name call instead of dealing with being wrong is just one of you coping mechanism so i won't get upset. I'm just more sad for you now though.
It certainly is up to you to prove something doesn't exist when you assert it doesn't exist. At the moment, you have no idea if there is a god, just whether or not there is enough evidence to convince you of one. But when you push ypur beliefs onto others, you are going beyond you being convinced or not and activly asserting something as fact which you simply have no evidence of.
Only if you insist they wouldn't deviate from their known path we see today. Creating an efficient hybred model while working the charging and range issues out might have been a possability.
Actually, quite a few gm employees and subsidiaries lost their pensions with the bailout.
And i have to wonder what the codt of thr bailout's total loss is compared to paying unemployment benefits. I saw estimates years ago but they used projected losses.
In more ways than we realize. The bailout of gm actually followed what Romney said, forced bankruptcy then a cash infusion apon restructuring. The bankruptcy negated a lot of pension liability but part of the cash infusion was paid by Canada's pension funds too. If we are taking a loss, i am almost certain they are too.
This also neglects all the pension funds that was looted when all of GM's stock and debt where invalidated as part of the bankruptcy. Detroit is even worse as municiple bonds has always been considered a safe bet as the governing authority can raise taxes to satisfy the debt but with its bankruptcy, it looks like it will be pennies on the dollar if anything is paid out. But detroit is another beast altogether.
You realise that it is unscientific to prove or disprove a god right? You simply cannot have a scientific concensus on the matter outside of a god isn't needed to explain the world. If it is more then that, it simply isn't scientific because you cannot test supernatural beings or events.
I didn't think the point was that obfuscated. Lets see how much i can dumb it down for you. I have no belief in the boogie monster. I use the notion of one to control the behavior of small children in an attemp to keep them safe at time they cannot be directly supervised.
But i find it strange that you fail in the examples you point to. For instance, smoking and cancer. Less than 10% of life long smokers will get cancer from smoking. Less than 30% of all cancer deaths are from smoking. One time won't get pregnan if it is the right time. Commonly called the rythm method, timing sexual encounters against the menstral cycle is one of the oldest and effectiver forms of birth control.
As for god making sure your business works, thats one of the dumbest thing i ever heard. Most all religions teach a principle that god helps those that help themselves. In other words, god will not make a business work, you have to do that. So it seems your rant is all about your ignorance.
Perhaps you should stay in school until your cognitive abilities fuully develope and you can work on you comprehension a bit.
Nowhere did i say there was a god or any gods, just that the blind faith in the lack of one was noteworthy. I do find it amusing that you had to interject your evangelistic atheism and rant about something never disclosed. Does it bother you that much that there could be a God? I mean because you have absolutely no proof there isn't one.
It proves nothing. Clean Water is purchased from the utilities- usually at the costs to operate them at the local levels of government, the military is paid by taxes the federal government assigns to fund it.
You are right that we are screwed if your education didn't impart that knowlege to you
I do not assert there is no boogie monster. In fact, i often assert there might be one in order to make my children to scared to wonder around unsupervised at night. But it is a reality that things go bump in the night and it isn't always safe for small children to go wandering around in the dark. So while i have no proof of the non existance or not, the only faith i put into it is that my kids will tend to stay close and safe when we sleep and they wake up gor whatever reason.
Only liberal fools think the government is capable of being economical and efficient. Most others understand it it wastefull and irrational most of the time.
I really don't think military spending is comparable to the economics of water supplies unless you think diverting miltary spending to water resources has some sort of merrit. I do not. You can argue the merits of either all day long but when one depends on destroying the other, the argument is lost.
Lol.. that is a bit humorous but likely true to some degree. Even if it isn't something that killed off the dinos, there could be life in it that has evolved completely in isolation to the rest of the world and that could create issues on a similar scale if it isn't purified safely.
But hey, at least we have a weapon in reserve should the dinos become a problem again.
Wrong. Even hunter gatherers would pillage an area then move on. The american indian done this so well, their socity lived in housing that could easily be picked up and moved. Man has always fought for resources to plunder and rarely has been at peace unless the resorces where plentiful enough for all to share.
Sustainability has a different definition today then in past times. It used to be regarded in the context of effort, now it is soley within the confines of fixed resources.
Actually, it is current technology and it is more expensive which is why cheaper solutions are prefered. It seems that if anyone has blind faith it would be the tree huggers who think using the most expensive ways won't have negetive effects on the majority of populations. Of couse that is a stretch because most tree huggers simply don't care if their positions keeps people in poverty or deal hardships to anyone. Some would be just as happy if it contributed to the deaths of people because they think the world is over populated and man should make changes to accomodate that excess population because their utopian enviroment is more important.
Its sad but true. We have floods killing people because dams used to controlling floods have been removed, we have wildfires killing people because timbering forests are out of the question, fire breaks had to be abandoned, and controlled burnings are restricted in order to preserve what they want to be the natural state.
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Virtue is not about their loss, it is about your morals, honesty and intehrity.
I do not know you so it doesn't matter to me. But you essentially just said as long as you can justify it. It makes a moving target so to speak. It sends the message that i can trust you as long as i do not leave anything valuable or important out. I'm sure you have an expectation of higher regard then that.
However, i am not sure i can disagree with your actions given the circumstances. I will bet quite a few others would do the same. So i have to ask, suppose you purchased something locally snd the clerk gave you to much change, what would you do?
I don't think it was about being christian as much as it was annoying. While the guy who got physical was raised to belive in God, the extent of worship and practice was likely thanking god when he got lucky or something.
I mean the guy sat through it several times before getting physical and warned him to shut up about it. I hang out in some rough bars, even worked at some as a bouncer (although not this one). People get upset over the dumbest things when drinking sometimes. I remember breaking up a fight because someone played rap music on the juke box. I saw a fight over some girl saying she got beat by one of them 15 years prior to the fight. Another time there was an off duty cop who kept trying to buy drugs and several people knew he was a cop and beat his ass. That was interesting because i was a witness at the trial, the defense said they beat him up because he kept interupting him on a date asking for drugs not because he arrested him several years prior. The guy ended up with one year probation and two weeks jail suspended based on the probation.
Like in the example i gave, they don't realize how obnoxious they are. The point of my post was that people don't think they are doing anything wrong or offensive when they are.
Most people i knpw that live on a flood plain do so after the civil engineers and army core of engineers built the dams to control the flooding. For instance in my home town area, they built a series of five resiviors for flood control that allowed industrial lands near the river and old erie canal to be safe for residential use once the canal was closed. Over the years, two of those dams had been removed instead of replaced and urban sprawl has changed the amounts of watershed which has turned areas never considered a flood risk into a flood zone.
It really isn't a matter of someone saying this looks nice, now build a dam and protect me with public money. If that were the case, i would completely agree with you.
Here is why thr tea pot doesn't fit. Not only are you saying you hsvn't convinced me, but it isn't true and you are stupid too.
You see, the second two parts are affirmative asertions outside what you were asked to believe and require just as much weight as you place on the burden of proof yourself. Its like you saying you spilled wine on the carpet a couple of weeks ago and it didn't stain it. You have no way to prove it to me so i can either trust you or not. But when i say you had no wine and you didn't spill anything, i do need to validate that.
This is likely more true than not. Society and even familiy has historically sought to increase its safety in security as well as resources like food and of course labor by increasing its population. Homosexuality would deprive such benifits as so would masterbation that until recently was taboo too.
Whether this dislike of what would defeat population growth and hence the security of the unit is instinctual or learned might be a good question to explore. But it is something that doesn't need religion to flourish.
I don't doubt what he says because i think i know who he is in other posts. He likely walked into a prayer meeting held by some jocks before a football game and started refering to god as a sky fairy then attempted to explain the fiction of religion and how he was too smart to fall for it like those idiots.
You can see people like that all over /. And they pop up in odd places too. I remember some kid walking into a bar with a fsm shirt on and proudly explianing to anyone who asked how it was making fun of religion in school. He was asked to shut the hell up about it several times and said it was a free country. I think i heard one if the regulars say then i'm free to do this just before mopping the floor with him. The bouncer stood there and told him he was lucky he wasn't hurt more. Of course he called the cops from the parking lot and claimed he didn't do anything but the cop saw that he was trying to incite people. We told the cops the guy who hit him came in with him origionally and left right after kicking his ass. Nothing was done about it.
I cannot tell you why people are living in those places. I imagine there are lots of reasons ranging from economics to resorces to preference. I just know that we have the abilities to mitigate the risks should we want to.
Are you really that daft? Dams control the flooding. No one even hinted about causes. And yes, fire breaks contain fires long enough to get to them and keep them under control. Controlled burns is like having one large fire broken into segments and spread over a number of years. It is not dificult.
No, it absolutely does not make me feel good that you are stupid. In fact, it makes me sad for you. You asked what my point was and it was pretty obvious the first time.
But hey, i like the way you dealt or didn't deal with those inconvienient facts laid in front of you. I guess trying to name call instead of dealing with being wrong is just one of you coping mechanism so i won't get upset. I'm just more sad for you now though.
It certainly is up to you to prove something doesn't exist when you assert it doesn't exist. At the moment, you have no idea if there is a god, just whether or not there is enough evidence to convince you of one. But when you push ypur beliefs onto others, you are going beyond you being convinced or not and activly asserting something as fact which you simply have no evidence of.
Only if you insist they wouldn't deviate from their known path we see today. Creating an efficient hybred model while working the charging and range issues out might have been a possability.
Actually, quite a few gm employees and subsidiaries lost their pensions with the bailout.
And i have to wonder what the codt of thr bailout's total loss is compared to paying unemployment benefits. I saw estimates years ago but they used projected losses.
In more ways than we realize. The bailout of gm actually followed what Romney said, forced bankruptcy then a cash infusion apon restructuring. The bankruptcy negated a lot of pension liability but part of the cash infusion was paid by Canada's pension funds too. If we are taking a loss, i am almost certain they are too.
This also neglects all the pension funds that was looted when all of GM's stock and debt where invalidated as part of the bankruptcy. Detroit is even worse as municiple bonds has always been considered a safe bet as the governing authority can raise taxes to satisfy the debt but with its bankruptcy, it looks like it will be pennies on the dollar if anything is paid out. But detroit is another beast altogether.
You realise that it is unscientific to prove or disprove a god right? You simply cannot have a scientific concensus on the matter outside of a god isn't needed to explain the world. If it is more then that, it simply isn't scientific because you cannot test supernatural beings or events.
I didn't think the point was that obfuscated. Lets see how much i can dumb it down for you. I have no belief in the boogie monster. I use the notion of one to control the behavior of small children in an attemp to keep them safe at time they cannot be directly supervised.
But i find it strange that you fail in the examples you point to. For instance, smoking and cancer. Less than 10% of life long smokers will get cancer from smoking. Less than 30% of all cancer deaths are from smoking. One time won't get pregnan if it is the right time. Commonly called the rythm method, timing sexual encounters against the menstral cycle is one of the oldest and effectiver forms of birth control.
As for god making sure your business works, thats one of the dumbest thing i ever heard. Most all religions teach a principle that god helps those that help themselves. In other words, god will not make a business work, you have to do that. So it seems your rant is all about your ignorance.
Perhaps you should stay in school until your cognitive abilities fuully develope and you can work on you comprehension a bit.
Nowhere did i say there was a god or any gods, just that the blind faith in the lack of one was noteworthy. I do find it amusing that you had to interject your evangelistic atheism and rant about something never disclosed. Does it bother you that much that there could be a God? I mean because you have absolutely no proof there isn't one.
It proves nothing. Clean Water is purchased from the utilities- usually at the costs to operate them at the local levels of government, the military is paid by taxes the federal government assigns to fund it.
You are right that we are screwed if your education didn't impart that knowlege to you
I do not assert there is no boogie monster. In fact, i often assert there might be one in order to make my children to scared to wonder around unsupervised at night. But it is a reality that things go bump in the night and it isn't always safe for small children to go wandering around in the dark. So while i have no proof of the non existance or not, the only faith i put into it is that my kids will tend to stay close and safe when we sleep and they wake up gor whatever reason.
I don't think he asked for evidence of non-existance but that humans created gods to explain what they cannot control.
However, it is noteworthy about how much blind faith you seem to have in asserting there is no god
Only liberal fools think the government is capable of being economical and efficient. Most others understand it it wastefull and irrational most of the time.
I really don't think military spending is comparable to the economics of water supplies unless you think diverting miltary spending to water resources has some sort of merrit. I do not. You can argue the merits of either all day long but when one depends on destroying the other, the argument is lost.
Lol.. that is a bit humorous but likely true to some degree. Even if it isn't something that killed off the dinos, there could be life in it that has evolved completely in isolation to the rest of the world and that could create issues on a similar scale if it isn't purified safely.
But hey, at least we have a weapon in reserve should the dinos become a problem again.
Wrong. Even hunter gatherers would pillage an area then move on. The american indian done this so well, their socity lived in housing that could easily be picked up and moved. Man has always fought for resources to plunder and rarely has been at peace unless the resorces where plentiful enough for all to share.
Sustainability has a different definition today then in past times. It used to be regarded in the context of effort, now it is soley within the confines of fixed resources.
What rockets in use can be filled up at the local shell station?
I think we use a little different type of energy then rockets. And once in space-beyond our atmosphere, solar becomes much more productive.
Actually, it is current technology and it is more expensive which is why cheaper solutions are prefered. It seems that if anyone has blind faith it would be the tree huggers who think using the most expensive ways won't have negetive effects on the majority of populations. Of couse that is a stretch because most tree huggers simply don't care if their positions keeps people in poverty or deal hardships to anyone. Some would be just as happy if it contributed to the deaths of people because they think the world is over populated and man should make changes to accomodate that excess population because their utopian enviroment is more important.
Its sad but true. We have floods killing people because dams used to controlling floods have been removed, we have wildfires killing people because timbering forests are out of the question, fire breaks had to be abandoned, and controlled burnings are restricted in order to preserve what they want to be the natural state.