They only need one or two dogs to walk. Why would they need anything more, they have their basic needs covered. They can even be their own dogs or a family member's dog.
Natural market forces are removed in your scenario. A hobby, or anything can be a job now when you remove the requirements to make a living. You will end up with people doing something that takes 50 man hours to complete for $200 because they do not need to cover their basic living expenses any more. I see it all the time right now, idiots purchase crap from Ebay, polish it up, do a few fixes, and resell it in Ebay for 25% more. They tell me they are making a lot of money but the only way they can afford to do it is because they are not working and getting government assistance. One idiot told me I was stupid when I pointed out that he just paid $35 for something, spent 5 hours messing with it (cleaning it up and taking a better picture) and resold it for $45. I told him that is less than $2 an hour and he says how do you figure, it only took a couple minutes to post it. Those are the type of jobs you will be seeing. Having to make a living and at least break even is probably the strongest market force out there. It is largely gone if you pay people for doing nothing.
You'er so foolish it is almost cute if it wasn't so pathetic. Fast-food joints are nothing more than stepping stones to better jobs. This idea that it is a career is the problem. If you are anything other than a high school kid or student of some kind, stay at home parent, or a part timmer looking for extra cash and trying to make a living from work at a fast food joint, you are a sad excuse for a human who has made too many mistakes in life. The answer is not to give them more but to correct those mistakes so they can find real employment. Unfortunately that thinking is outdated now as we have ran jobs off so badly that people see them as the only viable choice for employment in some places.
Your answer of handing out money so when the employee who cannot even handle cooking the fries decides it is too hard that he can walk away is simply ridiculous. The answer needs to be the availability of quality jobs with a livable income. Not handouts that allow businesses to pay salaries that are even lower because your basic needs are already met.
It is a complete waste of productivity and a complete waste of resources. Your thinking is defective on this in so many ways.
Lol.. you are dreaming. The market can support a lot of failures when you don't have to worry about supporting yourself. Idle hobbies will become careers. The value of these businesses added to society will largely be nothing. Certainly not enough to replace the value siphoned off.
You find it unsettling that it's well known that fast food jobs pay poorly and are generally unpleasant? Why? Were you not aware of this?
I think you know the answer to that. I don't really have to repeat it now because it is all explained in the few sentences right after the ones you quoted.
Did I hit a nerve with you when I said that careers in being a whopper flopper was silly or something? Or did you think my concern was condescending? Why don't you go back to your safe space for a while longer.
Right from the summary:
And you think the answer is to pay the guy who makes the fries more money or give it directly to him so the corporations can pay less and less due to the corporate welfare?
Maybe I'm just to old to understand you kids. It's like you want to build a new road in a different location because there is a giant pothole in the existing one and you want to give the people who would have fixed the pothole a paycheck for not fixing it in the first place.
Of course you have time to make your own employment. You have that right now too. But does the world (country, society, so on) actually benefit from adding 3000 more dog walkers in NYC or window washers at the corner of every street? That is basically what you are going to get if everyone thinks it is better to start their own business that wouldn't otherwise be feasible without a huge grant from the government.
I am in agreement that the lack of employment opportunities out there needs to change. That problem is a lot more difficult though and will be made worse with a basic income guarantee. The money to give to others will have to come from somewhere and business seems to be the favorite whipping boy currently.
Which still doesn't make Bill Nye correct by any measure. Being confused or ignorant does not make someone a denier. Neither does not agreeing 100% with the so called solutions or thinking there are other ways of dealing with it including dealing with the so called catastrophes when they happen.
I find it quite unsettling that your go to is a fast food joint. When has our employment situation derailed so badly that a career flipping whoppers and wrapping a big mac is anything more than a stepping stone to more productive employment? Why are we thinking about giving people money they did not earn instead of fixing this situation so that meaningful job opportunities exist and we don't need this form of corporate welfare?
Yes, I said corporate welfare. All welfare for working people is a corporate welfare because it allows the corporations to pay less than a living wage and pocket the rest in profits.
You might see higher employment rates overseas where the cheap crap typically found available to people with little money is actually made.
Sure, Idleness gets old. But if there isn't opportunity for employment now, there will not be much more with a basic income system. In fact, it will likely be even less because the cost of doing business would have just increased making marginally profitable businesses close shop or move overseas where some economical factors like increased taxes aren't hampering their profitability.
You can listen to a lot of people claim there are tons of jobs available with no one to fill them or no one skilled to fill them. The reality is that they are either located on obscure places trying to escape taxes or government regulation costs or they do not want to pay enough to compensate for the hassles of working for them. In reality, it is generally a ploy to get H1B visas and or undocumented workers and has little to do with the availability of skilled workers.
That's neither here nor there though. This is because there are simply too many people not employed compared to the so called understaffed positions available. Giving people money will not magically make positions available. It could for some service oriented positions but the reality is that most of the low end products that lower income people purchase or made in foreign lands and shipped in so they will not even be spending their way to employment.
What needs to happen is that conditions need to be changed to make locating a business in the US outside of services attractive again. These conditions need to be favorable near or in larger cities too. They need to balance cost of doing business with the necessities of protecting the environment along with safety and make it so that relocating to rural West Virginia or Alabama or Texas isn't a massive cost savings affair.
You don't see a problem when the only advice that matters is the advice coming from those giving you money and helping you get into the positions of power that their advice would actually matter with?
The president is not normally saddled with the mundane workings of government. So it isn't about technology the government uses or employs. It is about laws like the EU data privacy and such that google and other companies are running into issues with.
Well, he also doesn't know what he is talking about either. John Kasich has publicly said that humans contribute to climate change but he doesn't agree with the approaches to it with the EPA. Hardly a denialist.
I think Bill Nye is desperate to grasp some sort of spot lite and knows global warming is a hot button issue that can get his the attention he desperately wants. It's sad really. Sort of like child actors who become irrelevant and fall into drug induced troubles with the law. I wonder how long until he follows this path.
I'm not so sue this is about experienced people as much as it is about laws being crafted or not made at all to benefit the companies. You have noticed that despite an outcry, no movement has been done on any data protection laws similar to what Europe has. You are the product they sell to others. Financial institutions and government agencies suffer data breeches by using faulty software products and no accountability is pointed towards the product that had the zero day hole in it which was billed as the best solution.
But it is no strange occurrence that tech sector leaders would have access to the government. They spent a lot of money on electing this government. Schmidt himself was an Obama supporter and has created a company (groundworks) specifically to help Hillary get elected. It's business as usual so the profits continue as usual.
To the creator there is no magic involved but to the simulation they have no way to know. All magic is btw, is slight of hand or unnatural powers (supernatural). So it would be indistinguishable to participants of a simulation if the programmer tweaked things. They would have no knowledge of the creator's world or the creator outside what was divulged by the tweaks or the creator itself.
All sex is a choice else rape wouldn't be illegal- it would be a fact of existence just as eating and using the restroom is.
As for the difference between queer and homosexual, there is no real difference unless someone has changed the definition to feel better about themselves but that is not my problem.
You could always start a large war or convince all the young people to have abortions because it is their health and choice or some other reason. You could also stop the negative connotations of homosexuality and convince half the population to become queer to save the world.
There are a lot of things you can do to alleviate your fears of overpopulation that doesn't involve using science and technology to deal with issues as the rise up.
It would become a reality for most of the middle class. They will finally live long enough to pay off their student loans. Who would have thought that underwater basket weaving would have such a tiny market.
Oh i tried to get the laws changed. I even tried to get the cab company to extend the hours to accommodate the closing of bars in the area. I lacked the influence, power, knowledge and abilities to do it. I was met with what appeared to be concern when talking with council members and the mayor but it never went beyond that. This was before the internet so i got an op-ed piece in the local paper. It was edited to avoid pissing specific people off but the general sense of published responses was that people drinking should take care of a ride home before going out and it was their own fault if they got a dui. Of course at this time, the legal limit was still high at.10 so you could drink more before being considered drunk driving legally.
There are considerably more options today to get the word out and muster support. I moved to another town and moved back over the years. I haven't really thought about it much after moving until I replied.
Because the profit (the income actually taxed) is generally either reinvested into the company or paid out to share holders who would end up paying taxes on it again. In other words , that $100 dividend check would have 10% or whatever before it is issued to you. You get $90 and in turn pay another 10% or whatever. So you get to keep $81 where if you were piad that $100 as part of your salary, you keep $90.
Now that is overly simplified but is the rationale because it is double taxed. Now you might think so what, rich people and multinationals and so on. But those are the people who avoid this with double dutch dogcrap sandwich schemes like Apple. The people who are hit by this are typically smaller (small business owners) within the country that employs primarily citizens. So that baker who started a sandwich shop is essentially paying 19% taxes on portions of his income instead of the 10% he otherwise would (given the rates mentioned for the sake of simplifying)
I couldn't tell you how many but years ago, I had the idea of running people to and from bars in the local area. Until recently the city had on cab company that shut down at 8 pm and wouldn't allow any other cab companies to operate within the city (the city owned the cab company and a private company ran it ).
Well it turns out that no matter what I attempted to call it, it was illegal. I even tried to pass it off as a site seeing tour but it still fell under the technical definition of a taxi service. I guess the DUI revenue was more important or something.
It took something like Uber to raise enough attention to the problem before pressure was enough to change this. Now you can jump through hoops and compete with the city taxi service. Uber is still technically illegal but practically impossible to do anything about.
They could sue but likely not for this. The employment structure for the company is changed so new drivers would likely not fall under the same conditions or circumstances as those who are settling. The cash existing covered drivers will get covers past grievances that should no longer exist.
Lol.. you can go around calling a screwdriver a confabulator if it makes more sense to you but the acceptable and proper name is still a screwdriver. All it does is make you appear like a moron who thinks they are smarter than they actually are. Not exactly top job candidate material.
Lets ignore your complete misunderstandings like there is no continent called America. They both have north or south within their official names and even geographically descripters use them or central in addition so that doesn't fit either. The fact is that there are well established names - words with actual meaning - that have been defined long before you have even been alive. When we communicate with people and make up terms in their stead, you again appear to be a moron who thinks they are smarter than they actually are. I certainly wouldn't hire anyone making up terms because it looks like they are incompetent and trying to bullshit their skills not to mention the possibility of costly screwups when they cannot be assed to use the correct terminology and acceptable names of tools, functions, processes and so on.
If you are unemployed and wondering why while blaming others, you should look inwards to yourself when using made up terms and gibberish just because you can rationalize it.
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They only need one or two dogs to walk. Why would they need anything more, they have their basic needs covered. They can even be their own dogs or a family member's dog.
Natural market forces are removed in your scenario. A hobby, or anything can be a job now when you remove the requirements to make a living. You will end up with people doing something that takes 50 man hours to complete for $200 because they do not need to cover their basic living expenses any more. I see it all the time right now, idiots purchase crap from Ebay, polish it up, do a few fixes, and resell it in Ebay for 25% more. They tell me they are making a lot of money but the only way they can afford to do it is because they are not working and getting government assistance. One idiot told me I was stupid when I pointed out that he just paid $35 for something, spent 5 hours messing with it (cleaning it up and taking a better picture) and resold it for $45. I told him that is less than $2 an hour and he says how do you figure, it only took a couple minutes to post it. Those are the type of jobs you will be seeing. Having to make a living and at least break even is probably the strongest market force out there. It is largely gone if you pay people for doing nothing.
If you have to ask you will never know. But your credit card will be charged regardless. Welcome to the new age of safe places.
You'er so foolish it is almost cute if it wasn't so pathetic. Fast-food joints are nothing more than stepping stones to better jobs. This idea that it is a career is the problem. If you are anything other than a high school kid or student of some kind, stay at home parent, or a part timmer looking for extra cash and trying to make a living from work at a fast food joint, you are a sad excuse for a human who has made too many mistakes in life. The answer is not to give them more but to correct those mistakes so they can find real employment. Unfortunately that thinking is outdated now as we have ran jobs off so badly that people see them as the only viable choice for employment in some places.
Your answer of handing out money so when the employee who cannot even handle cooking the fries decides it is too hard that he can walk away is simply ridiculous. The answer needs to be the availability of quality jobs with a livable income. Not handouts that allow businesses to pay salaries that are even lower because your basic needs are already met.
It is a complete waste of productivity and a complete waste of resources. Your thinking is defective on this in so many ways.
Lol.. you are dreaming. The market can support a lot of failures when you don't have to worry about supporting yourself. Idle hobbies will become careers. The value of these businesses added to society will largely be nothing. Certainly not enough to replace the value siphoned off.
I think you know the answer to that. I don't really have to repeat it now because it is all explained in the few sentences right after the ones you quoted.
Did I hit a nerve with you when I said that careers in being a whopper flopper was silly or something? Or did you think my concern was condescending? Why don't you go back to your safe space for a while longer.
And you think the answer is to pay the guy who makes the fries more money or give it directly to him so the corporations can pay less and less due to the corporate welfare?
Maybe I'm just to old to understand you kids. It's like you want to build a new road in a different location because there is a giant pothole in the existing one and you want to give the people who would have fixed the pothole a paycheck for not fixing it in the first place.
Of course you have time to make your own employment. You have that right now too. But does the world (country, society, so on) actually benefit from adding 3000 more dog walkers in NYC or window washers at the corner of every street? That is basically what you are going to get if everyone thinks it is better to start their own business that wouldn't otherwise be feasible without a huge grant from the government.
I am in agreement that the lack of employment opportunities out there needs to change. That problem is a lot more difficult though and will be made worse with a basic income guarantee. The money to give to others will have to come from somewhere and business seems to be the favorite whipping boy currently.
Which still doesn't make Bill Nye correct by any measure. Being confused or ignorant does not make someone a denier. Neither does not agreeing 100% with the so called solutions or thinking there are other ways of dealing with it including dealing with the so called catastrophes when they happen.
I find it quite unsettling that your go to is a fast food joint. When has our employment situation derailed so badly that a career flipping whoppers and wrapping a big mac is anything more than a stepping stone to more productive employment? Why are we thinking about giving people money they did not earn instead of fixing this situation so that meaningful job opportunities exist and we don't need this form of corporate welfare?
Yes, I said corporate welfare. All welfare for working people is a corporate welfare because it allows the corporations to pay less than a living wage and pocket the rest in profits.
You might see higher employment rates overseas where the cheap crap typically found available to people with little money is actually made.
Sure, Idleness gets old. But if there isn't opportunity for employment now, there will not be much more with a basic income system. In fact, it will likely be even less because the cost of doing business would have just increased making marginally profitable businesses close shop or move overseas where some economical factors like increased taxes aren't hampering their profitability.
You can listen to a lot of people claim there are tons of jobs available with no one to fill them or no one skilled to fill them. The reality is that they are either located on obscure places trying to escape taxes or government regulation costs or they do not want to pay enough to compensate for the hassles of working for them. In reality, it is generally a ploy to get H1B visas and or undocumented workers and has little to do with the availability of skilled workers.
That's neither here nor there though. This is because there are simply too many people not employed compared to the so called understaffed positions available. Giving people money will not magically make positions available. It could for some service oriented positions but the reality is that most of the low end products that lower income people purchase or made in foreign lands and shipped in so they will not even be spending their way to employment.
What needs to happen is that conditions need to be changed to make locating a business in the US outside of services attractive again. These conditions need to be favorable near or in larger cities too. They need to balance cost of doing business with the necessities of protecting the environment along with safety and make it so that relocating to rural West Virginia or Alabama or Texas isn't a massive cost savings affair.
You don't see a problem when the only advice that matters is the advice coming from those giving you money and helping you get into the positions of power that their advice would actually matter with?
The president is not normally saddled with the mundane workings of government. So it isn't about technology the government uses or employs. It is about laws like the EU data privacy and such that google and other companies are running into issues with.
Well, he also doesn't know what he is talking about either. John Kasich has publicly said that humans contribute to climate change but he doesn't agree with the approaches to it with the EPA. Hardly a denialist.
I think Bill Nye is desperate to grasp some sort of spot lite and knows global warming is a hot button issue that can get his the attention he desperately wants. It's sad really. Sort of like child actors who become irrelevant and fall into drug induced troubles with the law. I wonder how long until he follows this path.
I'm not so sue this is about experienced people as much as it is about laws being crafted or not made at all to benefit the companies. You have noticed that despite an outcry, no movement has been done on any data protection laws similar to what Europe has. You are the product they sell to others. Financial institutions and government agencies suffer data breeches by using faulty software products and no accountability is pointed towards the product that had the zero day hole in it which was billed as the best solution.
But it is no strange occurrence that tech sector leaders would have access to the government. They spent a lot of money on electing this government. Schmidt himself was an Obama supporter and has created a company (groundworks) specifically to help Hillary get elected. It's business as usual so the profits continue as usual.
To the creator there is no magic involved but to the simulation they have no way to know. All magic is btw, is slight of hand or unnatural powers (supernatural). So it would be indistinguishable to participants of a simulation if the programmer tweaked things. They would have no knowledge of the creator's world or the creator outside what was divulged by the tweaks or the creator itself.
All sex is a choice else rape wouldn't be illegal- it would be a fact of existence just as eating and using the restroom is.
As for the difference between queer and homosexual, there is no real difference unless someone has changed the definition to feel better about themselves but that is not my problem.
Doesn't QoS violate net neutrality? I mean it would be favoring one traffic of a service over another.
You could always start a large war or convince all the young people to have abortions because it is their health and choice or some other reason. You could also stop the negative connotations of homosexuality and convince half the population to become queer to save the world.
There are a lot of things you can do to alleviate your fears of overpopulation that doesn't involve using science and technology to deal with issues as the rise up.
It would become a reality for most of the middle class. They will finally live long enough to pay off their student loans. Who would have thought that underwater basket weaving would have such a tiny market.
Oh i tried to get the laws changed. I even tried to get the cab company to extend the hours to accommodate the closing of bars in the area. I lacked the influence, power, knowledge and abilities to do it. I was met with what appeared to be concern when talking with council members and the mayor but it never went beyond that. This was before the internet so i got an op-ed piece in the local paper. It was edited to avoid pissing specific people off but the general sense of published responses was that people drinking should take care of a ride home before going out and it was their own fault if they got a dui. Of course at this time, the legal limit was still high at .10 so you could drink more before being considered drunk driving legally.
There are considerably more options today to get the word out and muster support. I moved to another town and moved back over the years. I haven't really thought about it much after moving until I replied.
Please read the parent post then reread mine. I already addressed that.
You think? He is essentially opening the possibility of there being a creator who designed the universe to appear naturally occurring.
Because the profit (the income actually taxed) is generally either reinvested into the company or paid out to share holders who would end up paying taxes on it again. In other words , that $100 dividend check would have 10% or whatever before it is issued to you. You get $90 and in turn pay another 10% or whatever. So you get to keep $81 where if you were piad that $100 as part of your salary, you keep $90.
Now that is overly simplified but is the rationale because it is double taxed. Now you might think so what, rich people and multinationals and so on. But those are the people who avoid this with double dutch dogcrap sandwich schemes like Apple. The people who are hit by this are typically smaller (small business owners) within the country that employs primarily citizens. So that baker who started a sandwich shop is essentially paying 19% taxes on portions of his income instead of the 10% he otherwise would (given the rates mentioned for the sake of simplifying)
I don't think you know anything about either. Perhaps you could explain some. I could use a laugh.
I couldn't tell you how many but years ago, I had the idea of running people to and from bars in the local area. Until recently the city had on cab company that shut down at 8 pm and wouldn't allow any other cab companies to operate within the city (the city owned the cab company and a private company ran it ).
Well it turns out that no matter what I attempted to call it, it was illegal. I even tried to pass it off as a site seeing tour but it still fell under the technical definition of a taxi service. I guess the DUI revenue was more important or something.
It took something like Uber to raise enough attention to the problem before pressure was enough to change this. Now you can jump through hoops and compete with the city taxi service. Uber is still technically illegal but practically impossible to do anything about.
They could sue but likely not for this. The employment structure for the company is changed so new drivers would likely not fall under the same conditions or circumstances as those who are settling. The cash existing covered drivers will get covers past grievances that should no longer exist.
Lol.. you can go around calling a screwdriver a confabulator if it makes more sense to you but the acceptable and proper name is still a screwdriver. All it does is make you appear like a moron who thinks they are smarter than they actually are. Not exactly top job candidate material.
Lets ignore your complete misunderstandings like there is no continent called America. They both have north or south within their official names and even geographically descripters use them or central in addition so that doesn't fit either. The fact is that there are well established names - words with actual meaning - that have been defined long before you have even been alive. When we communicate with people and make up terms in their stead, you again appear to be a moron who thinks they are smarter than they actually are. I certainly wouldn't hire anyone making up terms because it looks like they are incompetent and trying to bullshit their skills not to mention the possibility of costly screwups when they cannot be assed to use the correct terminology and acceptable names of tools, functions, processes and so on.
If you are unemployed and wondering why while blaming others, you should look inwards to yourself when using made up terms and gibberish just because you can rationalize it.