Is it just me or is there no third page?
All I get for the third page is the the gamespy logo and a banner ad.
I can see it on the source though...how odd.
Here it is:
id Development and Consoles:
It was a natural progression at this point for Carmack to let the audience in on what direction id Software would be taking in the console market. "Our primary platform is still Windows 2000 right now, with simultaneous support for Mac and Linux," he began. "But with consoles, we are spending quite a bit of time looking at what we want to do there." Because the Xbox uses nVidia technology, he did say that it's likely to be a development direction id will take--the Xbox's technology specs are almost "spot on," he said, with what he's designing the new technology around, and so it's a natural direction for them to take.
He also discussed the consequences of developers working their titles around Xbox technology, and thus potentially favoring one hardware developer (nVidia) over another, therefore putting twice the amount of development time towards one manufacturer, possibly shortchanging those users without the same hardware. It's a tough issue, Carmack says.
While simultaneous development for the Xbox will be a trivial issue with id, the other console systems will be a different matter, simply because out of all the upcoming consoles, the Xbox happens to have system specs so close to what Carmack is currently developing for in the PC arena. The bottom line, Carmack explained, was that id remains a PC-focused developer--cutting back on the technology simply because one of the platforms they might be interested doesn't have the right feature set is not something that id is willing to do at the moment.
Windows, Macs, Linux, and id:
Porting games to different platforms has always been a contentious issue in game development, with some developers deciding not to support Mac or Linux ports of their games for varying reasons. Carmack diverted the discussion for a bit into the subject of id's support in making games for Windows, Mac, and Linux, saying that id is indeed happy to support the Mac OS/X, but that Linux is a bit more complicated.
"Quake III sales on Linux were disappointing, below what we were hoping to see on that," he said. "A lot of it probably has to do with the fact that the infrastructure is set up so that to play a 3D game is just really tough on Linux." At the game's release, it could only be played with one of two drivers: the 3dfx Voodoo drivers or the Matrox drivers. It's Carmack's hope that by the time id's next game is released, most Linux users will be running distributions of Linux that have proper 3D support.
If what you say is true, I don't think this will help at all sending customized skins around. They are, after all, just images that are mapped on to the surface of existing models. Customized models on the other hand...
Here's an amusing thing I wrote in JSP for my own amusement. You can post haikus, rate haikus, and comment on haikus. Enjoy but don't break it! Lloyd's Lounge: Haiku Lovers
IRT the performance test, remember Kiddies, the Blackdown JDK doesn't have the HotSpot Virtual Machine which dramatically increases preformance but only comes on Windows and Solaris. JDK 1.3 comes with it as standard. Basically the code is recompiled on the fly so the "hot" sections of the code (places that are continuously looped through) are optimized. I have used the Blackdown JDK and the performace really lags compared to the Windows version, even without using HotSpot. I would perfer to see this test with Sun's 1.3 JDK or 1.2.2 with HotSpot or IBM's 1.1.8.
I was looking for a life with hardwood floors but I couldn't afford the lease. Having a life with carpet is OK and it's much better then having no life at all...:P ---
I was looking at the images, especially this one and that's a network card the "Spud Boot v0.3" ROM is sitting on, right? Why is it sitting on the network card and not the mother board? I've never used boot roms but that doesn't seem right.
you guys rock! no I mean that. It's been said by a lot of other people but this shows how much you guys care about this community and we(I) really appreciate it. keep up the good work!
Very cool, very cool... The Blackdown 1.2 JDK runs JBuilder3.5 ass slow (not that I don't appreciate it guys... it's far better then most Mac support I've seen) It will be good to have something all super-quick like IBMs 1.1.8 JDK. Right on, you guys rock!
..Gates and company seem to be embarking on a journey that is eerily similar to the last of the 12 labors of Hercules: the capture of Kerberos, the three-headed hound who guarded the gates of Hades.
Kerberos? I thought the three-headed dog that guarded the gates of Hades was called "Cerebus"?
Oh yes, I used to play all the old versions all the time...brings me back. I was so obsessed I actually set up a BBS on my dad's PC just so I could install it and play around. Of course I messed around in my own pocket world for so long by myself it got boring when I owned such a huge section of space with many fighters and planets and noone to play against. I never did that well playing on-line...:) My dad didn't let me run the BBS because he didn't like the idea of random unknown people mucking about on his machine. I finally got back into it a bit when TW2002 was out. My friend in High School was running a BBS with it. Anyone from Colorado remember Loony's Bin? Anyways, I never got back into it as much as the old versions, but it did look very cool... I also used to play this other BBS game, but I can't remember the name. It was a fantasy game with all these stats that you played on a Cartesian plane..the center of the kingdom was at (0,0). It used ANSI but it wasn't truly a graphical game. I remember you could rescue virgins and the game would ask you if you would be honorable. If you said no you'd gain a lot of experience but also gain a point of sin! Does anyone know this game I'm talking about???
When I first saw that image on the article before I enlarged it I thought the car's headrest was the robot's "head"! It reminded me of the art in those old Basic Computer Games books, where the robots look vaguely and comically human. Gave me a warm fuzzy feeling inside.:)
The CAVE has been around for a long time...more then 5 years I think.
We have one at our lab, a 8' one with moveable walls, so you can get a nice 24' X 8' screen or an L shape or whatever you like. I stared working here last year and spent a good four months setting up the hardware and software when the CAVE walls and projectors were finally installed. It was a really fun time but also frustrating in parts. We've gotten VRCO's CAVE Library, WorldToolKit's IDO (Immersive Display Option), and VisualEyes from GM working on it.
Here's a stack of links I've aquried:
CAVERNUS - Check out applications to download. My personal favorite is Crayoland.:) There are also some early papers about the CAVE somewhere there
CAVE QUAKE II - Quake II in the CAVE? What's cooler then that? It's quite unnerving fighting a Tank that's literally taller then you.
Center for Parallel Computers - VR-Cube - The 6-walled CAVE in sweden. My office-mate saw this, said it was the most immersive experience he's ever done. Forgot where he was!
There is all the difference in the world between treating people equally and attempting to make them equal -- F.A. Hayek.
That is one of my favorite quotes. As much as I think that using Lego as a college is a neat idea (I was weened on Lego), you do have a point. I do imagine that the college is going to go about this in a very intellegent manner. They will not just go with someone who is good at bullding things with Lego, but as the article said, they are going to be looking at leadership skills, ability to work with others, etc. They should watch themselves though...something like this could get out of hand.
Development time is significantly faster. You try writing a quick networking implementation in C++. You will be busy debugging that part of the code while the Java programmer puts the finishing touches on his GUI. Granted, I would NOT want to write a speed intensive game (or app) like Quake3Arena or UT in Java. The biggest reason that Java applications are written is _platform_independence_! Try writing network middleware and web based e-commerence solutions with C++.
...even conservative estimates would suggest that for every asteroid on a dangerous Earth-Approaching orbit there are hundreds more which have yet to be discovered. There are over 300 known objects on Earth-crossing orbits, the majority of which are potentially capable of causing death and destruction on a scale unheard of in human history.
This is not a happy thought to have on a regular Tuesday. I wanted that movie Armegeddon dead and buried!!! Now that I hear how possible it is I shudder to think... ---
I went to a private religious-affiliated University (that should probably remain nameless) that had restricted visitation hours. You got caught, you got written up. If it happens many times, you get kicked out. They had also installed filters to the campus network. They were removed fairly quickly because they didn't work to well. People were getting locked out of espn.com or some other nonesense. A private University is well within their power and rights to do something like this...but I think they should really think it over before they do. College is supposed to prepare students for the future. By treating the students like children and making curfues and installing web filters, a university is doing more harm then good. If a student is treated like a child, they will act like a child. I *know* this is true. I went to school with people like this. It was more like high school then college. I've seen the same thing a hundred times with overbearing parents. My roommate is one big example, he is a child of very overbearing parents, not letting him make his own decisions. He eventually rebelled against his parents and now does whatever he damn well pleases (sometimes not to my aproval as his roommate).:) Anyone ever read a Clockwork Orange? That example may be a little extreme, but I think the principle holds up well. Enough ranting... ---
Homer: Ok brain, I don't like you and you don't like me, but lets get this over with so I can go back to killing you with beer! Homer's Brain: It's a deal!
I can't lie to you Marge...ok, bye!
I was impressed that you could write so legibly on your own butt!
There are just too many good Simpsons moments....collect em all!
Slashdot Mirror
Well it's working now, how odd.
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All I get for the third page is the the gamespy logo and a banner ad.
I can see it on the source though...how odd.
Here it is:
id Development and Consoles:
It was a natural progression at this point for Carmack to let the audience in on what direction id Software would be taking in the console market. "Our primary platform is still Windows 2000 right now, with simultaneous support for Mac and Linux," he began. "But with consoles, we are spending quite a bit of time looking at what we want to do there." Because the Xbox uses nVidia technology, he did say that it's likely to be a development direction id will take--the Xbox's technology specs are almost "spot on," he said, with what he's designing the new technology around, and so it's a natural direction for them to take.
He also discussed the consequences of developers working their titles around Xbox technology, and thus potentially favoring one hardware developer (nVidia) over another, therefore putting twice the amount of development time towards one manufacturer, possibly shortchanging those users without the same hardware. It's a tough issue, Carmack says.
While simultaneous development for the Xbox will be a trivial issue with id, the other console systems will be a different matter, simply because out of all the upcoming consoles, the Xbox happens to have system specs so close to what Carmack is currently developing for in the PC arena. The bottom line, Carmack explained, was that id remains a PC-focused developer--cutting back on the technology simply because one of the platforms they might be interested doesn't have the right feature set is not something that id is willing to do at the moment.
Windows, Macs, Linux, and id:
Porting games to different platforms has always been a contentious issue in game development, with some developers deciding not to support Mac or Linux ports of their games for varying reasons. Carmack diverted the discussion for a bit into the subject of id's support in making games for Windows, Mac, and Linux, saying that id is indeed happy to support the Mac OS/X, but that Linux is a bit more complicated.
"Quake III sales on Linux were disappointing, below what we were hoping to see on that," he said. "A lot of it probably has to do with the fact that the infrastructure is set up so that to play a 3D game is just really tough on Linux." At the game's release, it could only be played with one of two drivers: the 3dfx Voodoo drivers or the Matrox drivers. It's Carmack's hope that by the time id's next game is released, most Linux users will be running distributions of Linux that have proper 3D support.
The fourth page seems to work.
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jesus, you try to make people laugh and someone calls you a "dipshit"...
I ask you Slashdot, where's the love?????
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All this vaporware has really cleared up my sinuses!
:)
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If what you say is true, I don't think this will help at all sending customized skins around. They are, after all, just images that are mapped on to the surface of existing models.
Customized models on the other hand...
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They should all don Mexican Wrestling masks and broadcast the event live on Pay Per View.
;)
I'll post the AVI up on my web page later that day....
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I want to buy Cracker Insurance so I can get some cold cash when my roommate eats my Triscuits.
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Here's an amusing thing I wrote in JSP for my own amusement. You can post haikus, rate haikus, and comment on haikus.
Enjoy but don't break it!
Lloyd's Lounge: Haiku Lovers
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IRT the performance test, remember Kiddies, the Blackdown JDK doesn't have the HotSpot Virtual Machine which dramatically increases preformance but only comes on Windows and Solaris. JDK 1.3 comes with it as standard. Basically the code is recompiled on the fly so the "hot" sections of the code (places that are continuously looped through) are optimized.
I have used the Blackdown JDK and the performace really lags compared to the Windows version, even without using HotSpot.
I would perfer to see this test with Sun's 1.3 JDK or 1.2.2 with HotSpot or IBM's 1.1.8.
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I was looking for a life with hardwood floors but I couldn't afford the lease. Having a life with carpet is OK and it's much better then having no life at all... :P
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I was looking at the images, especially this one and that's a network card the "Spud Boot v0.3" ROM is sitting on, right?
Why is it sitting on the network card and not the mother board? I've never used boot roms but that doesn't seem right.
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you guys rock! no I mean that.
It's been said by a lot of other people but this shows how much you guys care about this community and we(I) really appreciate it.
keep up the good work!
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Very cool, very cool...
The Blackdown 1.2 JDK runs JBuilder3.5 ass slow (not that I don't appreciate it guys... it's far better then most Mac support I've seen)
It will be good to have something all super-quick like IBMs 1.1.8 JDK.
Right on, you guys rock!
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Kerberos? I thought the three-headed dog that guarded the gates of Hades was called "Cerebus"?
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Play PocketRogue really fast...
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Oh yes, I used to play all the old versions all the time...brings me back. :)
I was so obsessed I actually set up a BBS on my dad's PC just so I could install it and play around. Of course I messed around in my own pocket world for so long by myself it got boring when I owned such a huge section of space with many fighters and planets and noone to play against. I never did that well playing on-line...
My dad didn't let me run the BBS because he didn't like the idea of random unknown people mucking about on his machine.
I finally got back into it a bit when TW2002 was out. My friend in High School was running a BBS with it. Anyone from Colorado remember Loony's Bin? Anyways, I never got back into it as much as the old versions, but it did look very cool...
I also used to play this other BBS game, but I can't remember the name. It was a fantasy game with all these stats that you played on a Cartesian plane..the center of the kingdom was at (0,0). It used ANSI but it wasn't truly a graphical game. I remember you could rescue virgins and the game would ask you if you would be honorable. If you said no you'd gain a lot of experience but also gain a point of sin!
Does anyone know this game I'm talking about???
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When I first saw that image on the article before I enlarged it I thought the car's headrest was the robot's "head"! :)
It reminded me of the art in those old Basic Computer Games books, where the robots look vaguely and comically human.
Gave me a warm fuzzy feeling inside.
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Aren't they a couple of days early for April 1st?
:)
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We have one at our lab, a 8' one with moveable walls, so you can get a nice 24' X 8' screen or an L shape or whatever you like. I stared working here last year and spent a good four months setting up the hardware and software when the CAVE walls and projectors were finally installed. It was a really fun time but also frustrating in parts. We've gotten VRCO's CAVE Library, WorldToolKit's IDO (Immersive Display Option), and VisualEyes from GM working on it.
Here's a stack of links I've aquried:
CAVERNUS
- Check out applications to download. My personal favorite is Crayoland.
CAVE QUAKE II
- Quake II in the CAVE? What's cooler then that? It's quite unnerving fighting a Tank that's literally taller then you.
Teleimmersion at EVL
- Connecting CAVEs
Welcome to CAVERNsoft
- How to connect CAVEs
Center for Parallel Computers - VR-Cube
- The 6-walled CAVE in sweden. My office-mate saw this, said it was the most immersive experience he's ever done. Forgot where he was!
Ascension Techology Corporation
- These guys make the magnetic tracker we're using.
Welcome to Polhemus!
- another type of tracker
Pyramid Systems
- they'll build a CAVE for ya
AMPRO Corporation
- We use their projectors
CAVE Programming
- Some information on programming for the CAVE
CAVEdev::main
- Some other cool projects for the CAVE
enjoy!
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-- F.A. Hayek.
That is one of my favorite quotes. As much as I think that using Lego as a college is a neat idea (I was weened on Lego), you do have a point.
I do imagine that the college is going to go about this in a very intellegent manner. They will not just go with someone who is good at bullding things with Lego, but as the article said, they are going to be looking at leadership skills, ability to work with others, etc.
They should watch themselves though...something like this could get out of hand.
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Do not make blanket statements like that with out explaining your reasoning.
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Development time is significantly faster.
:)
You try writing a quick networking implementation in C++. You will be busy debugging that part of the code while the Java programmer puts the finishing touches on his GUI.
Granted, I would NOT want to write a speed intensive game (or app) like Quake3Arena or UT in Java.
The biggest reason that Java applications are written is _platform_independence_! Try writing network middleware and web based e-commerence solutions with C++.
Yes, C++ is NOT faster then Java.
SPEED ISN'T EVERYTHING!!!
Thank you and God bless...
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This is not a happy thought to have on a regular Tuesday.
I wanted that movie Armegeddon dead and buried!!! Now that I hear how possible it is I shudder to think...
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I went to a private religious-affiliated University (that should probably remain nameless) that had restricted visitation hours. You got caught, you got written up. If it happens many times, you get kicked out. :)
They had also installed filters to the campus network. They were removed fairly quickly because they didn't work to well. People were getting locked out of espn.com or some other nonesense.
A private University is well within their power and rights to do something like this...but I think they should really think it over before they do.
College is supposed to prepare students for the future. By treating the students like children and making curfues and installing web filters, a university is doing more harm then good. If a student is treated like a child, they will act like a child. I *know* this is true. I went to school with people like this. It was more like high school then college.
I've seen the same thing a hundred times with overbearing parents. My roommate is one big example, he is a child of very overbearing parents, not letting him make his own decisions. He eventually rebelled against his parents and now does whatever he damn well pleases (sometimes not to my aproval as his roommate).
Anyone ever read a Clockwork Orange? That example may be a little extreme, but I think the principle holds up well.
Enough ranting...
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mmmm....Soylent Green...
Hom-er? Who is this Hom-er? I am Guy Incognito!
It's raining men!
Homer: Ok brain, I don't like you and you don't like me, but lets get this over with so I can go back to killing you with beer!
Homer's Brain: It's a deal!
I can't lie to you Marge...ok, bye!
I was impressed that you could write so legibly on your own butt!
There are just too many good Simpsons moments....collect em all!
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