Christians vs Athiests. Gays vs Straights. Winners vs Losers.
So can't you see what the agenda is? While everyone is busy fighting each other the country, media, congress is slowly being hiijacked. Obviously it works.
Genetics do decide if you are good or bad, but they do not decide they how. The people who work at companies like Phillip Morris or Enron are bad people yet successful and then you have drug dealers in the slums who go to jail who are bad.
Bad is bad, and this country has more bad people in it than good. If most people are bad why decide to only focus on the bad when they are poor?
Yes theres terrorists, yes theres drugdealers and thieves robbing people, theres also thieves who will rob you intellectually and who will scam you out of money yet somehow you don't see them on tv.
If this is a war of good vs evil, why only focus on the poor who are evil? Does having money suddenly make you good?
You mentioned choices So you believe gay's choose to be gay? Do you believe people choose to be born in a slum vs a mansion?
People are given a hand and everyone has a different card. This means it takes more work for someone born in a slum to be successful than it takes someone born in a mansion. Most people who are successful were born into it and very few people in the USA actually immigrated here and in the same lifetime become rich or even middle class.
The other problem would be the fact that discrimination continues to exist even today, and that until the 1960's people of color were not even allowed to sit in the same room with white people.
Most of these people of course who survived the segregation period went on to have children and these children most likely were taught to distrust the government and that America is not going to tolerate them.
So you do have a point, I think you are on the mark with your hypothesis. The solution would be to just wait for about 20-40 years. It's going to take longer than one generation.
During slavery blacks were not allowed to get married. The biggest slaves were paired by force with each other. So you say the problem is cultural? Who's fault is that?
"There are many other minorities in this country that dont seem to have these kinds of problems...or at least not ones like these that tend to grind generation after generation into a dead end life that just propogates itself... "
Slavery for hundreds of years will destroy any culture.
You are right we are not all created equal, but what does this have to do with minorities? Every race has talented people so you make a point about nothing perhaps in an attempt to shift the topic onto other issues.
Do I sense subtle spin here? Do you work for FoxNews?
Look at this checklist to understand how a republicans mind works.
The following checklist summarizes all if not most of the psychological or psychiatric defects or deformities that psychologists and criminologists thought, at one time, were indicative of psychopathy. These indicators were often the basis for insanity pleas, mitigating circumstances, or just understanding criminals in the early 20th century. Today, much of it is used by the law as aggravating circumstances. Please note that this list contains many items which are presently regarded as myths or falsehoods about criminals.
Freudian slips of the tongue (indicative of mental conflict) Guilt feelings (covered up, but wants to be punished for something) Uses defense mechanism of projection (blaming others for own faults) Uses defense mechanism of displacement (ditching, self-handicapping, settling for 2nd best, being own worst enemy, but feels entitled to something or being 1st) Oral fixation (smokes or always has to have something in mouth) Oedipus complex (or other love/hate relationship with parents) Comes from dysfunctional family or broken home (absent or abusive father) Impervious to fear, anxiety, depression, or remorse (unremorseful) Superficially charming, a real cool cat (manipulative and conning) Inability to love or express emotions deeply, can't respond to kindness (cold) Pathological lying (for no reason at all, can't help self) No self-insight (doesn't reflect much upon own personality makeup) No self-humor (can't stand to be the butt of jokes or can't laugh at self) A fairly high IQ (good grades in school or disparity in achievement) Uses neologisms (makes up strange new words, abbreviations, or sayings) Fascination with fire (or death, or purified ways to destroy something) Cruelty to animals (or doesn't like animals) Lack of probity, courtesy, or doesn't tolerate society's "niceties" or obligations Moody, obsessive-compulsive, suffers from one or more phobias Does not tend to learn from mistakes unless immediate punishment given Lack of formal-operational thinking (tends to think in concrete, black-or-white terms) Identity conflict (often with delayed adolescence, hasn't grown up in certain ways) Preconventional morality (thinks things are wrong only because it might lead to punishment or it's not in his/her best interests right now, failure to understand disparities between own behavior and socially acceptable behavior, often in trouble with law) http://faculty.ncwc.edu/toconnor/301/psycpath.ht m
Republicans believe everyone is seperate and they are ego centric. Democrats view everyone as connected and so they want to help others.
"Completely lacking in conscience and feelings for others, they selfishly take what they want and do as they please, violating social norms and expectations without the slightest sense of guilt or regret."
Psychopaths are takers and thats the opposite of givers the liberals.
Nothing is wrong with being lazy as long as its efficient. If you'll get paid either way why ever work harder than you need to? Work just hard enough to make the money you need to spend time with the people who truely matter and pay your bills.
You gain nothing by working harder, the company just exploits you and makes you work even harder. You won't get an increase of pay and even if you do you have to weight the time and freedom loss against that increase of pay, most of the time they arent big enough increases.
I'm guessing that you are a bitter Republican who most likely does not like this software because the liberals are using it?
Technology is good because it increases Democracy, if you are conservative you can still use this.
"I will finish with one last question. Should it really cost 10 million dollars to run a "sucessful" senate campaign? Should it cost 200 million dollars to run for president? And how does that limit who can run? Only the wealthy? Only the well connected? What about Joe Sixpack who has some good ideas about making life better for the avarage american? Can he possibly run and compete?"
Hilary Clinton or Barack Obama could run, but they have no chance of winning. It's about winning isnt it?
When will all kids by default be forced to take this pill so they can do their homework? How long before this pill is forced on you by your employers?
I don't like the idea but the idea is useful, I just don't think working "harder" matters very much though.
For some people working harder would get them into an elite school, but working harder only leads to working harder, you get a more difficult job, you get longer hours, and you get more responsibilities, wheres the reward?
Isnt it logical to ask this question? its not that people are lazy, people just don't like to work when they can play.
Maybe you are friends with Miguel and you feel insulted. I think we have a right to be critical of a person who puts themselves on the front page of Slashdot.
Duh? How did you expect people to respond? Bow before him and worship his magnificence.
Okay, I'll go build his shrine and then we can all buy his microsoft/mono yinyang necklaces. Er wait you already have that stuff?
The best you can do is make fun of my name? Maybe that's why I picked out such a name. Maybe I want fools like you who can't win a debate to pick on my name so others can see you give up in public.
It's ok, just admit you don't have an arguement and let it go.
Maybe he isnt working for them and just wants to. Think about what it would do for a persons resume to have Microsoft on it.
He is a smart guy so its not beyond his reasoning to see he has potential to cash out and get rich or stay true to his roots and have our respect. Why shouldnt he get rich?
The fork only just happened recently. Miguel did try to pump mono into Gnome and I'm sure he will release a ruined Microsofty version of Gnome at some point.
The man is founder of Gnome and his claim to fame was dissing KDE for not having the right ideals. Now its time to diss Miguel for doing something which is even more threatening than using the QT license.
We don't need Mono, and even if we did need something like Mono why do we care if its perfectly compatible with Microsofts version? Should we be aiming for compatibility or something thats a generation ahead of what Microsoft is doing?
Compatibility is BS, if you have better software it beats compatibility 90% of the time. I'd prefer better software.
We need both types of people in the movement, but we do not need the leaders of the movement to be confused about what side they are on. Richard Stallman already provides the idealist leadership, but come on can you say Miguel even knows what side hes on? If Microsoft hired him he'd be working there. I don't really like the idea of the Linux movement being bought out by Microsoft.
For all we know he could own Microsoft stock. This guy could have friends who work there, or people who pay him to help Microsoft and Open Source remain somewhat compatible so that when the time is right Microsoft can decide to release Microsoft Linux and Miguel can then be hired in a high position.
His Microsoft fetish is very suspicious I agree especially considering how much money Microsoft has t o influence open source leaders such as him.
This is why I believe the leadership should be completely decentralized and we should never idolize people like him. He should not be treated any different than any other good coder. Keith Packard is just as smart or maybe smarter, theres people all over the world who do what Miguel does and who produce better code and yet Miguel gets credit for producing stuff nobody cares about like Mono, or producing stuff and not using it or finishing it.
Why should this guy get an article about how great he is pasted right on the front page of Slashdot?
He's a good programmer, a smart guy, but so are a lot of us and we arent getting front page coverage. Gnome people treat this stuff like its a religion and Miguel with his bogus mono and other projects I disagree with is their christ in the same way that stallman is the GNU christ.
He planned this all along! He knew he could get 20 million dollars by just using the name Lindows. He knew Microsoft would sue and lose and that he could get some payoff settlement.
The guy is a damn genius, he started the company with 10 million dollars and now he just got 20 million dollars back.
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It's all about making everyone fight each other.
Christians vs Athiests.
Gays vs Straights.
Winners vs Losers.
So can't you see what the agenda is? While everyone is busy fighting each other the country, media, congress is slowly being hiijacked. Obviously it works.
Genetics do decide if you are good or bad, but they do not decide they how. The people who work at companies like Phillip Morris or Enron are bad people yet successful and then you have drug dealers in the slums who go to jail who are bad.
Bad is bad, and this country has more bad people in it than good. If most people are bad why decide to only focus on the bad when they are poor?
Yes theres terrorists, yes theres drugdealers and thieves robbing people, theres also thieves who will rob you intellectually and who will scam you out of money yet somehow you don't see them on tv.
If this is a war of good vs evil, why only focus on the poor who are evil? Does having money suddenly make you good?
You mentioned choices
So you believe gay's choose to be gay? Do you believe people choose to be born in a slum vs a mansion?
People are given a hand and everyone has a different card. This means it takes more work for someone born in a slum to be successful than it takes someone born in a mansion. Most people who are successful were born into it and very few people in the USA actually immigrated here and in the same lifetime become rich or even middle class.
The other problem would be the fact that discrimination continues to exist even today, and that until the 1960's people of color were not even allowed to sit in the same room with white people.
Most of these people of course who survived the segregation period went on to have children and these children most likely were taught to distrust the government and that America is not going to tolerate them.
So you do have a point, I think you are on the mark with your hypothesis. The solution would be to just wait for about 20-40 years. It's going to take longer than one generation.
During slavery blacks were not allowed to get married. The biggest slaves were paired by force with each other. So you say the problem is cultural? Who's fault is that?
"There are many other minorities in this country that dont seem to have these kinds of problems...or at least not ones like these that tend to grind generation after generation into a dead end life that just propogates itself...
"
Slavery for hundreds of years will destroy any culture.
You are right we are not all created equal, but what does this have to do with minorities? Every race has talented people so you make a point about nothing perhaps in an attempt to shift the topic onto other issues.
Do I sense subtle spin here? Do you work for FoxNews?
Look at this checklist to understand how a republicans mind works.
t m
The following checklist summarizes all if not most of the psychological or psychiatric defects or deformities that psychologists and criminologists thought, at one time, were indicative of psychopathy. These indicators were often the basis for insanity pleas, mitigating circumstances, or just understanding criminals in the early 20th century. Today, much of it is used by the law as aggravating circumstances. Please note that this list contains many items which are presently regarded as myths or falsehoods about criminals.
Freudian slips of the tongue (indicative of mental conflict)
Guilt feelings (covered up, but wants to be punished for something)
Uses defense mechanism of projection (blaming others for own faults)
Uses defense mechanism of displacement (ditching, self-handicapping, settling for 2nd best, being own worst enemy, but feels entitled to something or being 1st)
Oral fixation (smokes or always has to have something in mouth)
Oedipus complex (or other love/hate relationship with parents)
Comes from dysfunctional family or broken home (absent or abusive father)
Impervious to fear, anxiety, depression, or remorse (unremorseful) Superficially charming, a real cool cat (manipulative and conning)
Inability to love or express emotions deeply, can't respond to kindness (cold)
Pathological lying (for no reason at all, can't help self)
No self-insight (doesn't reflect much upon own personality makeup)
No self-humor (can't stand to be the butt of jokes or can't laugh at self)
A fairly high IQ (good grades in school or disparity in achievement) Uses neologisms (makes up strange new words, abbreviations, or sayings)
Fascination with fire (or death, or purified ways to destroy something)
Cruelty to animals (or doesn't like animals)
Lack of probity, courtesy, or doesn't tolerate society's "niceties" or obligations
Moody, obsessive-compulsive, suffers from one or more phobias
Does not tend to learn from mistakes unless immediate punishment given
Lack of formal-operational thinking (tends to think in concrete, black-or-white terms)
Identity conflict (often with delayed adolescence, hasn't grown up in certain ways)
Preconventional morality (thinks things are wrong only because it might lead to punishment or it's not in his/her best interests right now, failure to understand disparities between own behavior and socially acceptable behavior, often in trouble with law)
http://faculty.ncwc.edu/toconnor/301/psycpath.h
Republicans believe everyone is seperate and they are ego centric. Democrats view everyone as connected and so they want to help others.
Psychopaths don't feel fear and they don't feel remorse.
There is evidence which suggests a psychopaths brain is different from a normal brain.
http://www.epub.org.br/cm/n07/doencas/
"Completely lacking in conscience and feelings for others, they selfishly take what they want and do as they please, violating social norms and expectations without the slightest sense of guilt or regret."
Psychopaths are takers and thats the opposite of givers the liberals.
Nothing is wrong with being lazy as long as its efficient. If you'll get paid either way why ever work harder than you need to? Work just hard enough to make the money you need to spend time with the people who truely matter and pay your bills.
You gain nothing by working harder, the company just exploits you and makes you work even harder. You won't get an increase of pay and even if you do you have to weight the time and freedom loss against that increase of pay, most of the time they arent big enough increases.
$1 profit margins are great, if you sell 50-60 million DVD players.
PS2 did not have profit margins and its now making Sony some money.
I'm guessing that you are a bitter Republican who most likely does not like this software because the liberals are using it?
Technology is good because it increases Democracy, if you are conservative you can still use this.
"I will finish with one last question. Should it really cost 10 million dollars to run a "sucessful" senate campaign? Should it cost 200 million dollars to run for president? And how does that limit who can run? Only the wealthy? Only the well connected? What about Joe Sixpack who has some good ideas about making life better for the avarage american? Can he possibly run and compete?"
Hilary Clinton or Barack Obama could run, but they have no chance of winning. It's about winning isnt it?
I wanted first post! I want first post! Give it to me or else!
What about better designed websites?
I suppose if you have no family and friends, your job would be everything. Most of us work so we can spend time with our family and friends.
When will all kids by default be forced to take this pill so they can do their homework? How long before this pill is forced on you by your employers? I don't like the idea but the idea is useful, I just don't think working "harder" matters very much though. For some people working harder would get them into an elite school, but working harder only leads to working harder, you get a more difficult job, you get longer hours, and you get more responsibilities, wheres the reward? Isnt it logical to ask this question? its not that people are lazy, people just don't like to work when they can play.
Maybe you are friends with Miguel and you feel insulted. I think we have a right to be critical of a person who puts themselves on the front page of Slashdot.
Duh? How did you expect people to respond? Bow before him and worship his magnificence.
Okay, I'll go build his shrine and then we can all buy his microsoft/mono yinyang necklaces. Er wait you already have that stuff?
I choose the name Adolph Hitler simply to destroy this ridiculous law and to hide behind this ridiculous law to anyone who believes in it.
So please call me a Nazi so I can invoke the awesome power of Godwins Law.
The best you can do is make fun of my name? Maybe that's why I picked out such a name. Maybe I want fools like you who can't win a debate to pick on my name so others can see you give up in public.
It's ok, just admit you don't have an arguement and let it go.
Maybe he isnt working for them and just wants to. Think about what it would do for a persons resume to have Microsoft on it.
He is a smart guy so its not beyond his reasoning to see he has potential to cash out and get rich or stay true to his roots and have our respect. Why shouldnt he get rich?
The fork only just happened recently. Miguel did try to pump mono into Gnome and I'm sure he will release a ruined Microsofty version of Gnome at some point.
The man is founder of Gnome and his claim to fame was dissing KDE for not having the right ideals. Now its time to diss Miguel for doing something which is even more threatening than using the QT license.
We don't need Mono, and even if we did need something like Mono why do we care if its perfectly compatible with Microsofts version? Should we be aiming for compatibility or something thats a generation ahead of what Microsoft is doing?
Compatibility is BS, if you have better software it beats compatibility 90% of the time. I'd prefer better software.
We need both types of people in the movement, but we do not need the leaders of the movement to be confused about what side they are on. Richard Stallman already provides the idealist leadership, but come on can you say Miguel even knows what side hes on? If Microsoft hired him he'd be working there. I don't really like the idea of the Linux movement being bought out by Microsoft.
For all we know he could own Microsoft stock. This guy could have friends who work there, or people who pay him to help Microsoft and Open Source remain somewhat compatible so that when the time is right Microsoft can decide to release Microsoft Linux and Miguel can then be hired in a high position.
Who cares what OS this man uses?
What use is this superficial knowledge? Read his code and learn, then replace him and make something better than Mono.
Otherwise its pointless to study him. Miguel is just a programmer.
His Microsoft fetish is very suspicious I agree especially considering how much money Microsoft has t o influence open source leaders such as him.
This is why I believe the leadership should be completely decentralized and we should never idolize people like him. He should not be treated any different than any other good coder. Keith Packard is just as smart or maybe smarter, theres people all over the world who do what Miguel does and who produce better code and yet Miguel gets credit for producing stuff nobody cares about like Mono, or producing stuff and not using it or finishing it.
Why should this guy get an article about how great he is pasted right on the front page of Slashdot?
He's a good programmer, a smart guy, but so are a lot of us and we arent getting front page coverage. Gnome people treat this stuff like its a religion and Miguel with his bogus mono and other projects I disagree with is their christ in the same way that stallman is the GNU christ.
He planned this all along! He knew he could get 20 million dollars by just using the name Lindows. He knew Microsoft would sue and lose and that he could get some payoff settlement.
The guy is a damn genius, he started the company with 10 million dollars and now he just got 20 million dollars back.