I hope that you can survive this mess. When and if you do, it would be instructive for others if you could share you experience. Many many people are going to be going through these pains in the future and there seems to be a great deal of incorrect information floating around.
I was surprized to see plan9 on the chart. Although I don't know all that much about it, I was under the impression that plan9 wasn't considered a unix variant. The only unix-ish part I remember was that it expounded on the "everything as a file" metaphor.
Anybody want to spout about it?
p.s. Yes, I realize that I could go read it and figure it out for myself. piss off. I'd be posting comment #328453 and nobody would see it.
Lots of developers create websites under the assumption that higher performance can be achieved by adding more machines behind a load balancing mechanism. After all, hardware is cheap compared to the cost of creating a website. Under this assumption, the scalability of a webserver does not matter nearly as much. Given this assumption, do you still feel that there are still benefits to having kernel-space http functionaty? Even compared to the risks of extraneous kernel code?
There have been many suggestions for pre-emptive content searches, but what about browser and content history? Something akin to an automagically accumulating everything.com. For example, use semi-structured data parsing techniques (based on content, tags, etc...) to loosely organize the information on the web sites that you visit. Later on, you will be able to search, browse and correlate all this information that have "seen", but not retained.
To me, this would solve several very practical problems: Where did I see X the other day? Isn't X like some Y that I heard about?
In essence, an automated bookmarking utility based on content rather than location.
How would you know that he doesn't know that C++ sucks anything. On your resume, you don't even list any knowledge of the programming that he has done, just a list of things that aren't on his resume that you claim he doesn't know about.
Just because you think he has recompiled a kernel and is not a developer, doesn't mean that the is not a developer.
I don't have any references handy, but I've read reports from several studies indicating that most serious software bugs are due to mistakes with manual memory allocation (seg-faults, buffer overruns, etc...). I'm not saying that pointers aren't easy, BUT they are also easy to screw up. Languages that make memory allocation automatic tend to be much more stable and easy to use. As far as rapid development, they are also generally the fastest (Smalltalk, TCL/TK, etc...).
I just moved from 4.5 to 4.7 a week ago and noticed a profound performance increase in the linux version. It springs to the screen immediately without a pause.
Oh, I'm sorry, I forgot this was slashdot and that everything sucks.
(ammendment)
I moved from 4.5 to 4.7 and noticed a profound lunk of crap had been moved into the software. There was no performance increase. Boy, this would all be better if it was open source. I would fix bugs all the time!
Mozilla source? No, I keep meaning to look at it...
CmdrTaco, Hemos? Can you implement an auto-reply?
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In the interest of efficiency, can you add some functionality that automatically responds rudely to Jon Katz articles? The amount of time some readers spend spewing the same flame over and over again is just plain inefficient!
For example:
Jon Katz: "This is my opinion and some readers may find it interesting. BTW, I'm not the devil."
Troll#1: "only linux matters, screw this guy" Troll#2: "dude, he is wrong and i am right" Troll#3: "first post!" Troll#4: "Dude, slashdot has gotten SO boring since I started reading it" Troll#5: "I never submit any news, THATS why it sucks so bad. But now that it sucks so bad I won't ever submit any news cause that would just make it good... oh... I see... No, no, I don't understand. For a minute I though that Jon Katz wasn't the devil. He's trying to trick us!" Troll#6: "first post!"
Ditto. Good luck to all of you, my own strides away from blind evangelism over the last few months have been... painful:-)
One potential path is that linux will become a standard for servers, embedded devices and desktops. It might not be a "use linux or don't" attitude, but a "how can we use linux to do this". So linux might not be "killed", but just become less advertised.
The reason for this will be based on a balance between quality and availability. Why reinvent the wheel? One nice feature of this is that it makes sense to both big and small developers.
Or maybe linux will revert back to being a craftsman's/hobbyist's tool...
What really upsets me are these Revenge of the Nerds success stories. Who cares if they are smart? I think that thinks aren't worth doing unless they take a little bit of sweat and cruelty.
Christ, it saddens me to hear someone who probably considers themselves a "jock" or at least a bully say shit like "Well, I was going to de-pants him, but his belt was fastened too tight...". Do people realize that they are effectively calling themselves wimps and geeks by saying shit like this?
Oh well, not everyone can beat up geeks and get all the girls like me:-)
It certainly wasn't a single poster, but the combined efforts from the "I hate Jon Katz" union have made me sick to my stomache. Its almost like being a comp sci student again. Every person needs to be the smartest in the room and the proof isn't in the pudding, its in their attacks upon their classmates.
I also noticed that the negative posters beat everyone else to the finish line. Did any of you stop and contemplate the responses? Maybe I'm wrong, but I bet you all breezed through them, eyes open ONLY for inconsistency, and posted as quickly and as rudly as possible.
It fits in with the evolving trend of the non-AC's being more rude (except for the random off-topic spam) than AC's. Almost like trying to make a name for yourself?
I think that "may" be the keyword here. Many intelligent people believe that OO concepts can help build systems (OS or otherwise) that are easier to maintainable and scale.
I think that justifies the use of "may".
"This is one of the most incredibly content-free, flame-inviting statements I've seen in the main body of an article on/. for a long time."
Thank goodness you stepped up the plate, Ghost Rider!
Yes! Yes! Yes! I am a TFC addict. In fact, it is the ONLY reason I have NT on my machine. If I could play TFC on linux and get source safe working under wine at my job, I would be windows free.
My "new game" votes go for halo, oni and Team Fortress 2.
Thats funny, I used solaris every day and write apps for big Solaris boxes that DON'T (as in "have never") gone down, even under very heavy load for days on end.
Don't get me wrong, I LOVE linux and use it every single day, but all the talk of linux being MORE stable and MORE scalable than Solaris is NOT well founded.
Someday (probably very very soon!) linux might exceed Solaris as a server platform, but for now it does not.
Winning, what? Everybody Vs. Linux? What?
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I'm a little worn of the "out to win" mindset that the linux community has grown (especially lately). Lets look to the long term. Not everybody everywhere is going to use linux and that is a good thing. We like variety, right? Linux has begun to occupy a very unique position in the computer world. It is being used because its widely available, easy modified, and useful for MANY different tasks. Plus, there is a sea of software for it. Personally, I hoping that linux becomes a standard, much in the same way that programming langauge and hardware standards came about. You don't have to look too close to see it happening: IBM, HP, etc... Solaris isn't going to "take over" linux. Linux is *fun* and *practical* and *easy* in ways that Solaris isn't. Of course sun doesn't like that. Jini and Java are supposed to take over the embedded market, right? Well embedded device companies are flocking to linux because its well suited for that. Personally, I'm hoping that the linux+java+jini relationship grows tight in the embedded market so sun won't see linux as a competitor, but as a VERY good tool that is good for everybody. Then maybe we'll get some free drugs and porn....
I'm in the same boat. Haven't had time to explore it, but odbc access might be your best bet. If oracle has odbc clients for linux, I have vague memories of a couple up and coming odbc systems for linux. If you could get that working, I think its possible hook up star office to the driver and use their spreadsheet stuff.
Sorry I don't know more. Someday I'll have time to play with linux for fun again, dammit!!
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sorry, I don't have any answers...
;-)
I hope that you can survive this mess. When and if you do, it would be instructive for others if you could share you experience. Many many people are going to be going through these pains in the future and there seems to be a great deal of incorrect information floating around.
Don't forget
Exactly. That's why the mistake was that he thought "Mach" instead of "VMS".
I was surprized to see plan9 on the chart. Although I don't know all that much about it, I was under the impression that plan9 wasn't considered a unix variant. The only unix-ish part I remember was that it expounded on the "everything as a file" metaphor.
Anybody want to spout about it?
p.s. Yes, I realize that I could go read it and figure it out for myself. piss off. I'd be posting comment #328453 and nobody would see it.
Lots of developers create websites under the assumption that higher performance can be achieved by adding more machines behind a load balancing mechanism. After all, hardware is cheap compared to the cost of creating a website. Under this assumption, the scalability of a webserver does not matter nearly as much. Given this assumption, do you still feel that there are still benefits to having kernel-space http functionaty? Even compared to the risks of extraneous kernel code?
Good point!
Its funny, sourceforge became wildly successfull (IMHO) in about two weeks. After the third week, slashdot'ers were already bitching about it...
really? how so? just curious...
There have been many suggestions for pre-emptive content searches, but what about browser and content history? Something akin to an automagically accumulating everything.com.
For example, use semi-structured data parsing techniques (based on content, tags, etc...) to loosely organize the information on the web sites that you visit. Later on, you will be able to search, browse and correlate all this information that have "seen", but not retained.
To me, this would solve several very practical problems: Where did I see X the other day? Isn't X like some Y that I heard about?
In essence, an automated bookmarking utility based on content rather than location.
How would you know that he doesn't know that C++ sucks anything. On your resume, you don't even list any knowledge of the programming that he has done, just a list of things that aren't on his resume that you claim he doesn't know about.
Just because you think he has recompiled a kernel and is not a developer, doesn't mean that the is not a developer.
schniznit!
I don't have any references handy, but I've read reports from several studies indicating that most serious software bugs are due to mistakes with manual memory allocation (seg-faults, buffer overruns, etc...). I'm not saying that pointers aren't easy, BUT they are also easy to screw up. Languages that make memory allocation automatic tend to be much more stable and easy to use. As far as rapid development, they are also generally the fastest (Smalltalk, TCL/TK, etc...).
Thats my two cents in the nickel jar...
maybe he is looking for more info so he can file a better bug report...
some people are assholes
I just moved from 4.5 to 4.7 a week ago and noticed a profound performance increase in the linux version. It springs to the screen immediately without a pause.
Oh, I'm sorry, I forgot this was slashdot and that everything sucks.
(ammendment)
I moved from 4.5 to 4.7 and noticed a profound lunk of crap had been moved into the software. There was no performance increase. Boy, this would all be better if it was open source. I would fix bugs all the time!
Mozilla source? No, I keep meaning to look at it...
In the interest of efficiency, can you add some functionality that automatically responds rudely to Jon Katz articles? The amount of time some readers spend spewing the same flame over and over again is just plain inefficient!
For example:
Jon Katz: "This is my opinion and some readers may find it interesting. BTW, I'm not the devil."
Troll#1: "only linux matters, screw this guy"
Troll#2: "dude, he is wrong and i am right"
Troll#3: "first post!"
Troll#4: "Dude, slashdot has gotten SO boring since I started reading it"
Troll#5: "I never submit any news, THATS why it sucks so bad. But now that it sucks so bad I won't ever submit any news cause that would just make it good... oh... I see... No, no, I don't understand. For a minute I though that Jon Katz wasn't the devil. He's trying to trick us!"
Troll#6: "first post!"
Ditto. Good luck to all of you, my own strides away from blind evangelism over the last few months have been... painful :-)
One potential path is that linux will become a standard for servers, embedded devices and desktops. It might not be a "use linux or don't" attitude, but a "how can we use linux to do this". So linux might not be "killed", but just become less advertised.
The reason for this will be based on a balance between quality and availability. Why reinvent the wheel? One nice feature of this is that it makes sense to both big and small developers.
Or maybe linux will revert back to being a craftsman's/hobbyist's tool...
I will be happy either way...
What really upsets me are these Revenge of the Nerds success stories. Who cares if they are smart? I think that thinks aren't worth doing unless they take a little bit of sweat and cruelty.
:-)
Christ, it saddens me to hear someone who probably considers themselves a "jock" or at least a bully say shit like "Well, I was going to de-pants him, but his belt was fastened too tight...". Do people realize that they are effectively calling themselves wimps and geeks by saying shit like this?
Oh well, not everyone can beat up geeks and get all the girls like me
It certainly wasn't a single poster, but the combined efforts from the "I hate Jon Katz" union have made me sick to my stomache. Its almost like being a comp sci student again. Every person needs to be the smartest in the room and the proof isn't in the pudding, its in their attacks upon their classmates.
I also noticed that the negative posters beat everyone else to the finish line. Did any of you stop and contemplate the responses? Maybe I'm wrong, but I bet you all breezed through them, eyes open ONLY for inconsistency, and posted as quickly and as rudly as possible.
It fits in with the evolving trend of the non-AC's being more rude (except for the random off-topic spam) than AC's. Almost like trying to make a name for yourself?
And look at me flaming right back...
-crb
Doh! slashdot seems broken... or I'm broken... yes, its me.
I hearby plead for moderation.
I swear this is my first time and I'll never do it again
I think that "may" be the keyword here. Many intelligent people believe that OO concepts can help build systems (OS or otherwise) that are easier to maintainable and scale.
/. for a long time."
I think that justifies the use of "may".
"This is one of the most incredibly content-free, flame-inviting statements I've seen in the main body of an article on
Thank goodness you stepped up the plate, Ghost Rider!
I don't think he was flaming. Isn't the concept of an OO-OS about ten (or more) years old?
Actually, your post sounded more like flame than his did. Then again, maybe I misinterpreted BOTH of you!
Yes! Yes! Yes! I am a TFC addict. In fact, it is the ONLY reason I have NT on my machine. If I could play TFC on linux and get source safe working under wine at my job, I would be windows free.
My "new game" votes go for halo, oni and Team Fortress 2.
I haven't been using this app recently (due to a firewall, ouch!), but I remember it being a wonderful application to use, as well as customize.
I'll try to refrain from putting up a whiny post, but I'm not that enthused by the selections.
"And, by the way, this isn't a contest, remember?"
Thank you for saying it first....
Thats funny, I used solaris every day and write apps for big Solaris boxes that DON'T (as in "have never") gone down, even under very heavy load for days on end.
Don't get me wrong, I LOVE linux and use it every single day, but all the talk of linux being MORE stable and MORE scalable than Solaris is NOT well founded.
Someday (probably very very soon!) linux might exceed Solaris as a server platform, but for now it does not.
I'm a little worn of the "out to win" mindset that the linux community has grown (especially lately). Lets look to the long term. Not everybody everywhere is going to use linux and that is a good thing. We like variety, right? Linux has begun to occupy a very unique position in the computer world. It is being used because its widely available, easy modified, and useful for MANY different tasks. Plus, there is a sea of software for it. Personally, I hoping that linux becomes a standard, much in the same way that programming langauge and hardware standards came about. You don't have to look too close to see it happening: IBM, HP, etc... Solaris isn't going to "take over" linux. Linux is *fun* and *practical* and *easy* in ways that Solaris isn't. Of course sun doesn't like that. Jini and Java are supposed to take over the embedded market, right? Well embedded device companies are flocking to linux because its well suited for that. Personally, I'm hoping that the linux+java+jini relationship grows tight in the embedded market so sun won't see linux as a competitor, but as a VERY good tool that is good for everybody. Then maybe we'll get some free drugs and porn....
I'm in the same boat. Haven't had time to explore it, but odbc access might be your best bet. If oracle has odbc clients for linux, I have vague memories of a couple up and coming odbc systems for linux. If you could get that working, I think its possible hook up star office to the driver and use their spreadsheet stuff.
Sorry I don't know more. Someday I'll have time to play with linux for fun again, dammit!!