well, if you consider gun makers, and cigarette makers and other such organizations, who produce harmful products, abused by others, its obvious that the law sees the user as being the responcibile party for whichever use the product is put to.
Of course, a virus maker who writes a virus which is infectious, and 'accedentally' leaves it where someone can see it to distribute it would be guilty of at least neglegence... so the producer wouldnt be totally off the hook.
Its like, if I make peanut butter and someone is allergic to peanuts, I shouldnt be held responcible if they eat some unless I mislabeled it and make it not taste like peanut butter. Now if someone hid some of it in the allergic person's food, I dont think that I should be responcible for it at all. Many of the hacking apps are demonstrations of exploits or are legitimate tools to test ones own network... therefor they have legitimate uses too, and are not made expressly to cause trouble:)
My girlfriend has been in Gautemala for the past two weeks doing aid work. In most small towns of guatemala, all that is available are community phones. Now, without an internet connection, I personally wouldnt get a lot of use out of my computer. A major driving force behind computer use is the ability to communicate with others. Without the ability to communicate with other people outside of their town (that they'd be able to do normally) i dont see the availability of computers as being a big help to them. Now, in cities where phones are available, and business is done, computers could help. But i think that until more sparsely populated areas are provided the appropriate facilities, computers there will be rather useless:)
well, redhat is trying to get in with corporate customers, enterprise stuff - stuff that has big load and needs crazy hardware. For most linux users this isnt going to be an issue.
The kernel is GPL isnt it? So if it's forked, the fork will be GPL, so integrating red hats changes into the standard linux kernel even if redhat does go off on their own tangent making a specialized linux for high end servers (similar to what FreeBSD variants do - see that article about GPL project forkin that was on here a while ago). So, redhat forking the kernel wouldnt necessarily be a bad thing - just a competitive thing as it would give redhat kernels a head up on linux kernels in enterprise situations. I'm just curious as to Redhats commitment to the community - ie if they want to help the linux kernel development along in the areas of high end hardware support, or do it on their own, and try to push redhat along.
They have a choice. Support redhat primarily with linux playing catch up in some things, or support linux primarily with Redhat being one of the dists which would benifit.
well, it would be cool if redhat could put these features togeather as modules. but i think that those features might be too basic for modules to be able to handle?
Most kernel development done outside of the kernel is available as kernel patches/modules. And most of the time, if the feature is really good, it will be incorporated into the kernel its self. I'm wondering if the changes redhat plans to make are going to be big enough that they're going to fork a kernel and actually make redhat more redhat and less linux. Or if they are planning to make kernel difs? or work with the kernel development team to bring these features to all linux?
I've read that Redhat is working on adding things like large disc support, a journaling file system, etc to a custom linux version (ie redhat) Are they forking the kernel here - leaving the normal kernel dev people to integrate what they do on their own, or are they working with the kernel development team to actually bring these features to the standard linux kernels?
so far, it seems that the RIAA is so short sighted, that its making them totally paranoid of any use of music without having each person who's going to be hearing it pay them.
For example... the idea that it is bad for a radio station (or webcaster) to play an entire album over the air is absurd. First, it's unlikely that many people are going to have the forsight to record a whole show, let alone have their finger on the trigger, so to speak. If they were that excited to get the album, they'd eventually go buy it when they get fed up with the low quality indicative of home made recordings. the biggest thing tho, is that most people buy CDs after hearing them or at least a big piece of them on the radio. If you are only allowed to play a few songs on the air, the listener isnt going to get the 'big picture' of the album and isnt going to know whether or not they want to buy it. I mean, I dont make a habbit of buying CDs for 1 song. Not for 20 bucks... and I KNOW that it doesnt cost the RIAA even close to that to print and market the CDs (per disc)
So, really, the RIAA should not have such a big nose in such things. It'd be better for them, and everyone for radio djs to play whatever they want, in whatever order, whenever. Most DJs on smaller stations, where its more common to play a whole album arent likely to care about this little clause in the law. Nor do I think that anyone will really care if they break it.
I think that the bandwidth, distribution of load, etc are really dependant on how big u plan this site to get and how fast. Also its going to depend on what kinda capital you have.
I've been looking to start a database driven site for a bit and am putting a lot of thought into the architecture of the database... like, how i should organize tables to give me the best speed for queries.
Another question that u might want to look at (and a question that im wondering about) is what kind of processor works best for what u want to do. I've heard risc based processors work badly for floating point... but what if yer doing a lot of integer operations? (i duno where this would come up...)
i believe that if copyright gets any more unfair, people will begin to pirate just to spite the copyright holders. Eventually, enough people will simply choose not to co-operate for the laws to be enforcable. I dont belive that the RIAA will even try to enforce the laws if they know that almost every consumer out there owns pirated material and is producing pirated material. I mean, isnt it illegal to tape a movie off the TV? everyone does it and no one gets hassled.
There are so many places that an operating system can win or lose... performance is just one of them. as well, there are reliability, cost, etc. if u need performance at high loads, then go buy some NT, but if you'd like to take fewer chances with reliability, go for linux. different OS's for different needs. im glad that there is some good competition goin on:)
Well, while they're making a new clipboard... hehe. 'they' being whomever of course;) they should make it so that u can do instead of only ctl c ctl v or whatever... it shoulb be ctl c and a number or something like that, so that u can store it in clipboard 1 or 2 or 3 or 4. and paste 3 then 1 or 2 hehe:)
Well, I'd have to say that I sort of agree with you. I would moderate you up, but I already posted in this thread and I cant moderate a thread that ive posted in. sorry:)
Windows 95 does have a very good, user friendly look and feel. Gnome, who's purpose it is to look good, is not as good as Windows 95's GUI. MS has put tonnes of work into their GUIs. I see most linux programs trying to copy the MS GUI concepts.
Where linux has not been concentrating so much on the GUI, it has concentrated quite intensely on the behind the scenes code. If you notice, most of the linux apps around are still in their 1 versions. That sorta means that they're still working on the inner workings... the GUI should generally come last anyways. So there is still some time for GUI stuff to be developed. Its going to be a while until linux develops a really mature gui system that is extensable (different rendering engines, themes, etc). But at least the work has started.
Lets not say that the project is done and good before it really is even done. Put some work into it and make it really robust.
Also, developing for one widget set is dumb... there should be some kind of abstration layer between GUI and internals.
I think that charging for support is quite fair as long as that technology thats given away includes full documentation. I mean, it'd be bad for a company to sell a product that does stuff, that wont work unless u call to learn how to use it.
it'll be neat to see what kinda observations are made with the new hubble in planning. it's supposed to be able to actually photograph the planets themselves.:)
but even if it were found that I contacted someone who bombed the white house and then they tried to pin a bombing in my town on me.. all that they'd have is circumstancial. which still leaves room for reasonable doubt. but... i duno. still kinda a pain to be hastled.:) I agree with the IETF that wire tapping should not be implemented. stupid cisco. we should all write letters to them.
even if they implement some wiretapping feature users can still choose to encrypt the data that is transmitted. I mean, arent they forgetting that? Anyone who is serious about their security - hense worth tapping - is going to encrypt their stuff. sure it could be cracked, but that takes a lota money and makes minor individual privacy issues go away cuz they're not guna spend 100 grand to crack some pirates email heh.
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Well, as far as being forced to release their source code goes... I think that it is more what we are looking for than anything as open source people. I mean, what is breakin them up going to do? what does that mean? can billy still own a big percentage of each of the resultant companies? if he can, then whats the point? He'll still try to make them follow his 'vision'. Besides, if they split the company into divisions like, OS products, productivity stuff, etc etc... then the productivity division is not going to start trying to make OS software, cuz thats not their neiche. its going to stay sorta the same.
I agree that MS would not like this and try to argue against it (and i agree that a lot of their security is thru obscurity) So, I duno if they'd ever let their code be released.
Just how far can the ruling go? I mean, they cant exactly rule something against the constitution can they?
What i meant tho.. was that the ruling should be to help consumers and users, not fulfil the revenge of disgruntled users/etc:)
Life speeds up the death of a planet, its a destructive force. Anything that life does that is not destructive is generally to help it's self. Thats the nature of life. To live. Technology I think is good for us as individuals, but not so much as often as a society, or species, because we're usually thinking of our selves as individuals, not as a species or just as life in general. I think that if emphasis was placed on life, not ourselves, we'd end up benifiting ourselves more than we would by thinking of ourselves as individuals. at least in the long term. individuality might be a big mistake of life. We as individuals are much less efficient than say are cells operating for the good of the whole - the body, which is much more resistant. How would your body fare if each cell is responcible for its self? we'd all die or explode or something, each cell deciding that it wants food more than the other and crouding towards our capilaries, smooshin them. Blood would have enough of it and quit. heh.
I think that it'd be really neat to see MS be forced to release their source. It'd take some control from MS and give it to users, which is really what should be done - and is the point of this trial, is it not? I think that source code release and license loosening would really be the best solution - better than breaking the company up even.
i wonder what the legal implications are of having your house burn down. would this kinda thing be covered by peoples insurance? if not, i wonder how receptive an insurance company would be to offering policies covering such things. heh. It'd suck if people start wiping the bios of my appliances... with 500 dollar deductables insurance would be useless to replace such things... that would be really annoying. you'd have to make self defending toasters that try to attack in retribution or something. hehe:) the next generation of security appliances:)
man, when JP was buggin #enforcers about analyzer (hacker in isreal), they were testing his box and he'd left it vulnerable to pretty much all of the DoS exploits known at the time. (of course, all of the windows ones at least:)
I wouldnt trust this guy to reccomend security practices to anyone.
Well, the movie industry deserves this and it should teach them a lesson.
Think about it as far as a movie renting thought goes... (i'll just talk about vhs, altho dvd should be similar)
A movie costs about 3 bux to rent and on a rought estimate it'll probably be rented at least 20 times in its lifetime. So that makes 60 dollars for the rental store. which means to turn a profit, a movie must cost them 50 bux or less to buy (it'd be more than it'd cost a normal person cuz of licensing). Where as it costs a normal consumer 20 dollars to buy the vhs. Lets say most of the people renting it are one time.. so that its actually 20 different people renting. If movie makers made VHS recordings cost only about 5 dollars i think most ppl would buy instead of rent. So what's 20 people times 5 dollars? 100 dollars where the movie company would have made 50 or 60 (whatever, less than 100)
So if movie companies would sell them cheap where they're sorta accessable and not overly priced, both movie company and consumer would win. They're stupid, hopefully they'll learn:)
Well, I've had a similar idea to this. Such a site could be used as well as a central repository not only to software components, but also to open sourced projects as a whole. Also, it could serve as a place for people to start when looking for information and for the people who are in charge of certain things. I've done a fair bit of thinking and have already started some preliminary work on such a project. I'd LOVE some help/to help someone else out who might be further along than I:) email me:) johnston@itactics.com and i'll get back to u ASAP
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hehe theres another precedent! UHF
well, if you consider gun makers, and cigarette makers and other such organizations, who produce harmful products, abused by others, its obvious that the law sees the user as being the responcibile party for whichever use the product is put to.
:)
Of course, a virus maker who writes a virus which is infectious, and 'accedentally' leaves it where someone can see it to distribute it would be guilty of at least neglegence... so the producer wouldnt be totally off the hook.
Its like, if I make peanut butter and someone is allergic to peanuts, I shouldnt be held responcible if they eat some unless I mislabeled it and make it not taste like peanut butter. Now if someone hid some of it in the allergic person's food, I dont think that I should be responcible for it at all. Many of the hacking apps are demonstrations of exploits or are legitimate tools to test ones own network... therefor they have legitimate uses too, and are not made expressly to cause trouble
My girlfriend has been in Gautemala for the past two weeks doing aid work. In most small towns of guatemala, all that is available are community phones. Now, without an internet connection, I personally wouldnt get a lot of use out of my computer. A major driving force behind computer use is the ability to communicate with others. Without the ability to communicate with other people outside of their town (that they'd be able to do normally) i dont see the availability of computers as being a big help to them. Now, in cities where phones are available, and business is done, computers could help. But i think that until more sparsely populated areas are provided the appropriate facilities, computers there will be rather useless :)
Thanks :) thats what i wanted to know.
Mat.
well, redhat is trying to get in with corporate customers, enterprise stuff - stuff that has big load and needs crazy hardware. For most linux users this isnt going to be an issue.
The kernel is GPL isnt it? So if it's forked, the fork will be GPL, so integrating red hats changes into the standard linux kernel even if redhat does go off on their own tangent making a specialized linux for high end servers (similar to what FreeBSD variants do - see that article about GPL project forkin that was on here a while ago). So, redhat forking the kernel wouldnt necessarily be a bad thing - just a competitive thing as it would give redhat kernels a head up on linux kernels in enterprise situations. I'm just curious as to Redhats commitment to the community - ie if they want to help the linux kernel development along in the areas of high end hardware support, or do it on their own, and try to push redhat along.
They have a choice. Support redhat primarily with linux playing catch up in some things, or support linux primarily with Redhat being one of the dists which would benifit.
well, it would be cool if redhat could put these features togeather as modules. but i think that those features might be too basic for modules to be able to handle?
Most kernel development done outside of the kernel is available as kernel patches/modules. And most of the time, if the feature is really good, it will be incorporated into the kernel its self. I'm wondering if the changes redhat plans to make are going to be big enough that they're going to fork a kernel and actually make redhat more redhat and less linux. Or if they are planning to make kernel difs? or work with the kernel development team to bring these features to all linux?
I've read that Redhat is working on adding things like large disc support, a journaling file system, etc to a custom linux version (ie redhat) Are they forking the kernel here - leaving the normal kernel dev people to integrate what they do on their own, or are they working with the kernel development team to actually bring these features to the standard linux kernels?
so far, it seems that the RIAA is so short sighted, that its making them totally paranoid of any use of music without having each person who's going to be hearing it pay them.
For example... the idea that it is bad for a radio station (or webcaster) to play an entire album over the air is absurd. First, it's unlikely that many people are going to have the forsight to record a whole show, let alone have their finger on the trigger, so to speak. If they were that excited to get the album, they'd eventually go buy it when they get fed up with the low quality indicative of home made recordings. the biggest thing tho, is that most people buy CDs after hearing them or at least a big piece of them on the radio. If you are only allowed to play a few songs on the air, the listener isnt going to get the 'big picture' of the album and isnt going to know whether or not they want to buy it. I mean, I dont make a habbit of buying CDs for 1 song. Not for 20 bucks... and I KNOW that it doesnt cost the RIAA even close to that to print and market the CDs (per disc)
So, really, the RIAA should not have such a big nose in such things. It'd be better for them, and everyone for radio djs to play whatever they want, in whatever order, whenever. Most DJs on smaller stations, where its more common to play a whole album arent likely to care about this little clause in the law. Nor do I think that anyone will really care if they break it.
I think that the bandwidth, distribution of load, etc are really dependant on how big u plan this site to get and how fast. Also its going to depend on what kinda capital you have.
I've been looking to start a database driven site for a bit and am putting a lot of thought into the architecture of the database... like, how i should organize tables to give me the best speed for queries.
Another question that u might want to look at (and a question that im wondering about) is what kind of processor works best for what u want to do. I've heard risc based processors work badly for floating point... but what if yer doing a lot of integer operations? (i duno where this would come up...)
i believe that if copyright gets any more unfair, people will begin to pirate just to spite the copyright holders. Eventually, enough people will simply choose not to co-operate for the laws to be enforcable. I dont belive that the RIAA will even try to enforce the laws if they know that almost every consumer out there owns pirated material and is producing pirated material. I mean, isnt it illegal to tape a movie off the TV? everyone does it and no one gets hassled.
There are so many places that an operating system can win or lose... performance is just one of them. as well, there are reliability, cost, etc. if u need performance at high loads, then go buy some NT, but if you'd like to take fewer chances with reliability, go for linux. different OS's for different needs. im glad that there is some good competition goin on :)
Well, while they're making a new clipboard... hehe. 'they' being whomever of course ;) they should make it so that u can do instead of only ctl c ctl v or whatever... it shoulb be ctl c and a number or something like that, so that u can store it in clipboard 1 or 2 or 3 or 4. and paste 3 then 1 or 2 hehe :)
:)
that'd be really really sweet.
Well, I'd have to say that I sort of agree with you. I would moderate you up, but I already posted in this thread and I cant moderate a thread that ive posted in. sorry :)
Windows 95 does have a very good, user friendly look and feel. Gnome, who's purpose it is to look good, is not as good as Windows 95's GUI. MS has put tonnes of work into their GUIs. I see most linux programs trying to copy the MS GUI concepts.
Where linux has not been concentrating so much on the GUI, it has concentrated quite intensely on the behind the scenes code. If you notice, most of the linux apps around are still in their 1 versions. That sorta means that they're still working on the inner workings... the GUI should generally come last anyways. So there is still some time for GUI stuff to be developed. Its going to be a while until linux develops a really mature gui system that is extensable (different rendering engines, themes, etc). But at least the work has started.
Lets not say that the project is done and good before it really is even done. Put some work into it and make it really robust.
Also, developing for one widget set is dumb... there should be some kind of abstration layer between GUI and internals.
I think that charging for support is quite fair as long as that technology thats given away includes full documentation. I mean, it'd be bad for a company to sell a product that does stuff, that wont work unless u call to learn how to use it.
it'll be neat to see what kinda observations are made with the new hubble in planning. it's supposed to be able to actually photograph the planets themselves. :)
hmm that is true. i hadnt thought of that.
:) I agree with the IETF that wire tapping should not be implemented. stupid cisco. we should all write letters to them.
but even if it were found that I contacted someone who bombed the white house and then they tried to pin a bombing in my town on me.. all that they'd have is circumstancial. which still leaves room for reasonable doubt. but... i duno. still kinda a pain to be hastled.
even if they implement some wiretapping feature users can still choose to encrypt the data that is transmitted. I mean, arent they forgetting that? Anyone who is serious about their security - hense worth tapping - is going to encrypt their stuff. sure it could be cracked, but that takes a lota money and makes minor individual privacy issues go away cuz they're not guna spend 100 grand to crack some pirates email heh.
Well, as far as being forced to release their source code goes... I think that it is more what we are looking for than anything as open source people. I mean, what is breakin them up going to do? what does that mean? can billy still own a big percentage of each of the resultant companies? if he can, then whats the point? He'll still try to make them follow his 'vision'. Besides, if they split the company into divisions like, OS products, productivity stuff, etc etc... then the productivity division is not going to start trying to make OS software, cuz thats not their neiche. its going to stay sorta the same.
:)
I agree that MS would not like this and try to argue against it (and i agree that a lot of their security is thru obscurity) So, I duno if they'd ever let their code be released.
Just how far can the ruling go? I mean, they cant exactly rule something against the constitution can they?
What i meant tho.. was that the ruling should be to help consumers and users, not fulfil the revenge of disgruntled users/etc
Life speeds up the death of a planet, its a destructive force. Anything that life does that is not destructive is generally to help it's self. Thats the nature of life. To live. Technology I think is good for us as individuals, but not so much as often as a society, or species, because we're usually thinking of our selves as individuals, not as a species or just as life in general. I think that if emphasis was placed on life, not ourselves, we'd end up benifiting ourselves more than we would by thinking of ourselves as individuals. at least in the long term. individuality might be a big mistake of life. We as individuals are much less efficient than say are cells operating for the good of the whole - the body, which is much more resistant. How would your body fare if each cell is responcible for its self? we'd all die or explode or something, each cell deciding that it wants food more than the other and crouding towards our capilaries, smooshin them. Blood would have enough of it and quit. heh.
I think that it'd be really neat to see MS be forced to release their source. It'd take some control from MS and give it to users, which is really what should be done - and is the point of this trial, is it not? I think that source code release and license loosening would really be the best solution - better than breaking the company up even.
http://www.pencomsi.com/industry.html
:) :)
this dynamicaly generates a report. its alright
first it'll ask u the geography, field, whatcha know, etc. I'm not sure how accurate it is tho
i wonder what the legal implications are of having your house burn down. would this kinda thing be covered by peoples insurance? if not, i wonder how receptive an insurance company would be to offering policies covering such things. heh. It'd suck if people start wiping the bios of my appliances... with 500 dollar deductables insurance would be useless to replace such things... that would be really annoying. you'd have to make self defending toasters that try to attack in retribution or something. hehe :) the next generation of security appliances :)
man, when JP was buggin #enforcers about analyzer (hacker in isreal), they were testing his box and he'd left it vulnerable to pretty much all of the DoS exploits known at the time. (of course, all of the windows ones at least :)
I wouldnt trust this guy to reccomend security practices to anyone.
Well, the movie industry deserves this and it should teach them a lesson.
:)
Think about it as far as a movie renting thought goes... (i'll just talk about vhs, altho dvd should be similar)
A movie costs about 3 bux to rent and on a rought estimate it'll probably be rented at least 20 times in its lifetime. So that makes 60 dollars for the rental store. which means to turn a profit, a movie must cost them 50 bux or less to buy (it'd be more than it'd cost a normal person cuz of licensing). Where as it costs a normal consumer 20 dollars to buy the vhs. Lets say most of the people renting it are one time.. so that its actually 20 different people renting. If movie makers made VHS recordings cost only about 5 dollars i think most ppl would buy instead of rent. So what's 20 people times 5 dollars? 100 dollars where the movie company would have made 50 or 60 (whatever, less than 100)
So if movie companies would sell them cheap where they're sorta accessable and not overly priced, both movie company and consumer would win. They're stupid, hopefully they'll learn
Well, I've had a similar idea to this. Such a site could be used as well as a central repository not only to software components, but also to open sourced projects as a whole. Also, it could serve as a place for people to start when looking for information and for the people who are in charge of certain things. I've done a fair bit of thinking and have already started some preliminary work on such a project. I'd LOVE some help/to help someone else out who might be further along than I :) email me :) johnston@itactics.com and i'll get back to u ASAP