if this is true will it be the first time a MAJOR vendor has moved from a prorietary development model to an OSS one using one of it's major products? I dont recall any previously proprietary company comming out with software that is this central to their existance that is OSS.
if it is, it will be neat to see how it effects their performance in the marketplace - how people react to the company, etc. neat:)
It's too bad that it's only 'gifted' students who are exposed to this sort of environment. I didn't get great marks because school was totally uninteresting - a course like this would have interested me... I really wish that normal students would get a chance at this sort of learning.
I've been using deb almost 2 years now. I swear by it. The package system is pretty nice.
At first I started with the stable dist, but soon learned that the unstable was almost just as stable and much more bleeding edge.
Tho sometimes I have problems in the unstable dist when some package manager introduces an unresolvable dependancy problem - ie depending on a package that doesnt exist. But I just wait until they fix it, update my package list and then im good.:) So, I suggest going right to the unstable dist and dont even bother worrying about a next release, etc. Releases arent terribly more stable, plus it means that u dont have the opportunity to select from more cutting edge - new - versions of programs in the unstable package tree if yer based in the stable package tree - which doesnt update often. Stable is for mission critical, not home use:)
Many people suggest that Debian needs to make stable releases more often. Others say that its good the way that it is. A point is made often that fearful, unknowning users often would opt for stable over unstable distributions. That's a good point. I think that what Debian needs to do is introduce an intermediary distribution between stable and unstable. What we need is to rename stable to "mission critical" and unstable to "bleeding edge" or "developing" and have something in the middle, like "mainstream" or something like that.
Lets break the analogy down... OSS vs Car Manufacturing OSS code = blueprints for a car OSS bin = manufactured car
if you compile a program and distribute it, i say, you should be responcible for it, if you distribute the source code and someone else compiles it, they should be responcible.
Altho, car manufacturing plants arent usually redily available to the general public to 'compile' car designs, so, this analogy might not even hold up here.
ultimatly, i think that voice recognition will become commonplace, but that there will always be a place for a good hand written letter. but will anyone be able to tell the difference? Theres a big difference between dictated tone (ie what you say) and what you want to be written. A letter usually sounds different when you read it than when you are spoken to by that person. not only will voice recognition software need to become more accurate... but it'll also need to have some kind of filter to 'formalize' dictations. I think:)
Why not just do this at home? A neat logging utility would be a web browser that maintains a connection to a logging server and wont browse without that connection. The browser writes to the logging server a record for each URL looked at including the username of the person looking. The browser could even be configured to automatically upload to the logging server every image downloaded to the web browser (since most stuff that parents seem to be concerned about is graphical). stuff like that.:) I would rather know what my kid is looking at and have the opportunity to explain the content to them than be forced into blocking more than i want to, since i dont really want to block anything.
"That point is that the internet was not designed to be censored/filtered and therefor is extremely difficult to implement."
That should say: That point is that the internet was not designed to be censored/filtered and therefor it is extremely difficult to implement censorship on a large scale.
A particular point is always raised when talking about the widespread use of censor software - especially in situations like Australia's national censor plan. That point is that the internet was not designed to be censored/filtered and therefor is extremely difficult to implement. Users could use foreign proxies, etc to avoid the local censor (depending on the censor mechanism). Do you feel that law makers and pro censor people grasp this? How much success do they expect these laws to have?
I think that this is going to force the search engines on focusing on sites rather than pages.
as a site can be described by keywords even if their subsequent pages are database driven. i like searching by site usually anyways - provided that the site has a nice search engine:)
or else we might have some genocidal aliens commin into our solar system. i duno how those cute little microbes would handle being so close to a new sun;)
i think what i mean more, is that we need to express our opinions in places which will be recognised. Organizations make this easy. And an organization doesnt necessarily have to come out on top... if its purpose is just to make some idea heard and nothing else, then whats wrong with that? Oh well:) I just think that some organizations tend to voice a similar oppinion to mine. Usually:)
dont be discriminatory. Anyone who tried first post should be moderated down. I think that its sorta wrong to allow eleetism. i mean, its good to be funny. but i mean, it is off topic and flame bait. hehe and yes, it is funny:)
The problem with the GPL and a lot of different open source licenses and not open source licenses is this... they're too complicated, and restrictive... the opposite of what 'free' and 'open' mean.
The optimal OSS license would be this: One may do whatever they wish with this source code and may take credit of only those changes which they make, if any. The source code of the original unmodified software must remain available and the modifications must acknowledge their being based on the original software, however, the changes made to it may be put under any license which the developer wishes.
whatcha think?
personally, when i write software, i say in my license... this software is now YOURs, it is your property, you may do what you wish with it - change it, copy it, sell it.
theres a company in kitchener/waterloo ontario that is called Cummings Cockburn. I'm not sure exactly what they do. but i thought that they were worth mentioning:)
You're suggesting that we give up on the offending system. Which is sort of the right idea. But we live inside of this system and its very hard to get out of it. The changes that need to be made, need to be made by govenerments, and the UN, etc... and they've been trying... but they're trying to fix things that arent wrong.
It turns out that the people who make the most noise are generally the people that are disgruntled with the current system... These people have made the polititions think that free speech and free thought are not what we want. Polititians must think by now that we want to be babysat - we dont want to think. We want things organized, we want parents again! And corporations are happy to fill the role. Now, they've gotten the wrong idea. We want freedom to think - we want democracy back! Its of course then our responcibility to make some noise. Changing DNS systems is a nice idea but infeasable to imlement very well. I think what we need is more of an online unity. More of an online union of sorts. of course, without union dues:) Its people who run the internet and run the world. Very few people are actually giving the orders - are actually thinking for themselves, for whats good. We need social disobedience on a large scale to let the people who implement decisions know what we want. Show them what is wrong. It worked for millions of poor indian people against the brittish... and its the same idea... the numerous poor against the few rich. We can do it.
What do we want to do? I think that we need public protest, stuff that gets on the news. People have been talking about the WTO issue online forever, but now people know more about it now that its on the news. Public protests need to be organized. Massive letter writing campaigns. Elect people who arent so dumb! hehe:) Join the Electronic Frontiers Organizations! We need an organized voice of truth, not of anger or frustration:)
Well, what he needs now is a custom sculpted case. heheh. I made a hermaphrodite case/coffee table out of paper mache and wood. ehhe the power button is mounted in the end of the penis and the nipples are my LEDs.:) its helluh. the power supply and hard drive are hanging by wires and the CDROM and floppy disk are sitting atop of the table:)
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I dont believe that one analogy is going to adiquitly explain this situation. There are far too many reasons for wanting to track the identities of web surfers for one analogy to apply.
Law enforcement wants to track users on the net so that users breaking laws can be prosecuted offline. An analogy for this would simply be the requirement of ID to buy guns. Police want to know who has a gun and who owns which gun.
Advertisers want to know who goes where so that they can market more accuratly. An anlogy is not exactly needed for this because its such a simple idea.
Other net users want to know who the other people are so that the people can have some level of trust in the other person. Its a simple issue of accountability.
There are many different reasons why people would want licenses for web surfing.... I think that licenses for the purpose of filtering content is dumb however. It is an old and dumb idea that kids shouldnt be exposed to sex - especially sex that is with love. Other material is simply a reality of life - racism, etc... but a parent should be able to explain this material - it is the parents job to raise and to guide a child, it is not the job of the government - especially if the parent wants that control.
Telepathy on tv and in books and such is often portraited as a power exploited for gain - monetary, power, etc... but the most profound, would be the ability to understand the perspective and feelings of others.
Imagine being able to 'see' or rather feel the structure of another persons mind... hear the way that they think, the way that they feel - the ability to offer that person the same of you. This way, people would know eachothers fear, loves, memories and pains and know that what those other people do is because of things and feeings not so different from their own. I think that there would no longer be war, there would no longer be hate, and there would be far more love or at least understanding.
If there is one thing that I would want for the future for our civilization it is some kind of telepathy - not because it can be exploited, but because it can connect people at the most fundamental level and no one would really need to exploit another.
well, he is right... corel does seem to be clueless. its like a kid being told by their parent to give something back to their sibling, but the kid only gives back part of it - like the remote control minus the batteries. hehe:)
Hopefully this'll be the proverbial spanking that they need:)
And why in the hell would they possibly say 18 only download? is it maybe because a minor can not enter into a legally binding contract or something?
Netscape 4.x works for an hour at least on my box normally... and most of the time only crashes when i close one of the windows.
I'd like to see at least 3 or 4 hours uptime before a crash - even in an alpha. For me, stability is a pretty big thing. I think that 2 hours should be minimum for an alpha. 2 for an alpha, 10 for a beta, and at least 24 for a release. That makes sense to me. The final release should be able to take the longest period of use that any geek can throw at it, which is probably about 24 hours. hehe. Personally, I'd like to see it as stable as the kernel with an uptime of 400 days... but am I being fair?
Another feature that'd be neat to see from a netscape kinda product is fault tollerance. IE will display even garbled HTML fairly right... whereas netscape will half the time decide not to display it at all (esp with frames) I know its nice to have the browser tell u where u screwed up, so maybe it should be a fault tollerance level switch or something? Some kinda syntax checker dialog? That'd be good for developers and for users. A user doesnt want to care if someone didnt type his html right, so fault tollerance would be good for them:)
well... this was a long time ago... he no longer has the source, nor the time to rewrite it. I suggest someone takes the idea and uses it for something:)
what kinda uses are you thinking of for such a thing? remember that ICMP packets wont necessarily be returned so this would be sort of an unreliable file system, maybe best used if you expect another computer to want some files, so u can start pinging their puter with pings of the data and they can start collecting it when they want it? i duno:)
A friend of mine made a file system out of ICMP packets - put data in ping packets and bounced it out, using lag as a storage medium. hehe. was neat. he could store a few k out there.
hehe i meant to say potentially dangerous.:) tho even at a gun range and stuff there are still gun injuries... remember that kid who was shot by a stray bullet at a gun range? or the fact that bullets can apparently backfire? They're a lot safer than cigarettes, of course.
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if this is true will it be the first time a MAJOR vendor has moved from a prorietary development model to an OSS one using one of it's major products? I dont recall any previously proprietary company comming out with software that is this central to their existance that is OSS.
:)
if it is, it will be neat to see how it effects their performance in the marketplace - how people react to the company, etc. neat
It's too bad that it's only 'gifted' students who are exposed to this sort of environment. I didn't get great marks because school was totally uninteresting - a course like this would have interested me... I really wish that normal students would get a chance at this sort of learning.
I've been using deb almost 2 years now. I swear by it. The package system is pretty nice.
:) So, I suggest going right to the unstable dist and dont even bother worrying about a next release, etc. Releases arent terribly more stable, plus it means that u dont have the opportunity to select from more cutting edge - new - versions of programs in the unstable package tree if yer based in the stable package tree - which doesnt update often. Stable is for mission critical, not home use :)
At first I started with the stable dist, but soon learned that the unstable was almost just as stable and much more bleeding edge.
Tho sometimes I have problems in the unstable dist when some package manager introduces an unresolvable dependancy problem - ie depending on a package that doesnt exist. But I just wait until they fix it, update my package list and then im good.
Many people suggest that Debian needs to make stable releases more often. Others say that its good the way that it is. A point is made often that fearful, unknowning users often would opt for stable over unstable distributions. That's a good point. I think that what Debian needs to do is introduce an intermediary distribution between stable and unstable. What we need is to rename stable to "mission critical" and unstable to "bleeding edge" or "developing" and have something in the middle, like "mainstream" or something like that.
if you compile a program and distribute it, i say, you should be responcible for it, if you distribute the source code and someone else compiles it, they should be responcible.
Altho, car manufacturing plants arent usually redily available to the general public to 'compile' car designs, so, this analogy might not even hold up here.
ultimatly, i think that voice recognition will become commonplace, but that there will always be a place for a good hand written letter. but will anyone be able to tell the difference? Theres a big difference between dictated tone (ie what you say) and what you want to be written. A letter usually sounds different when you read it than when you are spoken to by that person. not only will voice recognition software need to become more accurate... but it'll also need to have some kind of filter to 'formalize' dictations. I think :)
Why not just do this at home? A neat logging utility would be a web browser that maintains a connection to a logging server and wont browse without that connection. The browser writes to the logging server a record for each URL looked at including the username of the person looking. The browser could even be configured to automatically upload to the logging server every image downloaded to the web browser (since most stuff that parents seem to be concerned about is graphical). stuff like that. :) I would rather know what my kid is looking at and have the opportunity to explain the content to them than be forced into blocking more than i want to, since i dont really want to block anything.
That should say:
That point is that the internet was not designed to be censored/filtered and therefor it is extremely difficult to implement censorship on a large scale.
A particular point is always raised when talking about the widespread use of censor software - especially in situations like Australia's national censor plan. That point is that the internet was not designed to be censored/filtered and therefor is extremely difficult to implement. Users could use foreign proxies, etc to avoid the local censor (depending on the censor mechanism). Do you feel that law makers and pro censor people grasp this? How much success do they expect these laws to have?
I think that this is going to force the search engines on focusing on sites rather than pages.
:)
as a site can be described by keywords even if their subsequent pages are database driven. i like searching by site usually anyways - provided that the site has a nice search engine
or else we might have some genocidal aliens commin into our solar system. i duno how those cute little microbes would handle being so close to a new sun ;)
thats a good point.
:) I just think that some organizations tend to voice a similar oppinion to mine. Usually :)
i think what i mean more, is that we need to express our opinions in places which will be recognised. Organizations make this easy. And an organization doesnt necessarily have to come out on top... if its purpose is just to make some idea heard and nothing else, then whats wrong with that? Oh well
dont be discriminatory. Anyone who tried first post should be moderated down. I think that its sorta wrong to allow eleetism. i mean, its good to be funny. but i mean, it is off topic and flame bait. hehe and yes, it is funny :)
The problem with the GPL and a lot of different open source licenses and not open source licenses is this... they're too complicated, and restrictive... the opposite of what 'free' and 'open' mean.
The optimal OSS license would be this:
One may do whatever they wish with this source code and may take credit of only those changes which they make, if any. The source code of the original unmodified software must remain available and the modifications must acknowledge their being based on the original software, however, the changes made to it may be put under any license which the developer wishes.
whatcha think?
personally, when i write software, i say in my license... this software is now YOURs, it is your property, you may do what you wish with it - change it, copy it, sell it.
theres a company in kitchener/waterloo ontario that is called Cummings Cockburn. I'm not sure exactly what they do. but i thought that they were worth mentioning :)
You're suggesting that we give up on the offending system. Which is sort of the right idea. But we live inside of this system and its very hard to get out of it. The changes that need to be made, need to be made by govenerments, and the UN, etc... and they've been trying... but they're trying to fix things that arent wrong.
:) Its people who run the internet and run the world. Very few people are actually giving the orders - are actually thinking for themselves, for whats good. We need social disobedience on a large scale to let the people who implement decisions know what we want. Show them what is wrong. It worked for millions of poor indian people against the brittish... and its the same idea... the numerous poor against the few rich. We can do it.
:) Join the Electronic Frontiers Organizations! We need an organized voice of truth, not of anger or frustration :)
It turns out that the people who make the most noise are generally the people that are disgruntled with the current system... These people have made the polititions think that free speech and free thought are not what we want. Polititians must think by now that we want to be babysat - we dont want to think. We want things organized, we want parents again! And corporations are happy to fill the role. Now, they've gotten the wrong idea. We want freedom to think - we want democracy back! Its of course then our responcibility to make some noise. Changing DNS systems is a nice idea but infeasable to imlement very well. I think what we need is more of an online unity. More of an online union of sorts. of course, without union dues
What do we want to do? I think that we need public protest, stuff that gets on the news. People have been talking about the WTO issue online forever, but now people know more about it now that its on the news. Public protests need to be organized. Massive letter writing campaigns. Elect people who arent so dumb! hehe
i'll take some :) and i think i'll make a web page of odd computer cases. hehe :) maybe i'll submit the link to slashdot hehe :)
Well, what he needs now is a custom sculpted case. heheh. I made a hermaphrodite case/coffee table out of paper mache and wood. ehhe the power button is mounted in the end of the penis and the nipples are my LEDs. :) its helluh. the power supply and hard drive are hanging by wires and the CDROM and floppy disk are sitting atop of the table :)
I dont believe that one analogy is going to adiquitly explain this situation. There are far too many reasons for wanting to track the identities of web surfers for one analogy to apply.
Law enforcement wants to track users on the net so that users breaking laws can be prosecuted offline. An analogy for this would simply be the requirement of ID to buy guns. Police want to know who has a gun and who owns which gun.
Advertisers want to know who goes where so that they can market more accuratly. An anlogy is not exactly needed for this because its such a simple idea.
Other net users want to know who the other people are so that the people can have some level of trust in the other person. Its a simple issue of accountability.
There are many different reasons why people would want licenses for web surfing.... I think that licenses for the purpose of filtering content is dumb however. It is an old and dumb idea that kids shouldnt be exposed to sex - especially sex that is with love. Other material is simply a reality of life - racism, etc... but a parent should be able to explain this material - it is the parents job to raise and to guide a child, it is not the job of the government - especially if the parent wants that control.
Telepathy on tv and in books and such is often portraited as a power exploited for gain - monetary, power, etc... but the most profound, would be the ability to understand the perspective and feelings of others.
Imagine being able to 'see' or rather feel the structure of another persons mind... hear the way that they think, the way that they feel - the ability to offer that person the same of you. This way, people would know eachothers fear, loves, memories and pains and know that what those other people do is because of things and feeings not so different from their own. I think that there would no longer be war, there would no longer be hate, and there would be far more love or at least understanding.
If there is one thing that I would want for the future for our civilization it is some kind of telepathy - not because it can be exploited, but because it can connect people at the most fundamental level and no one would really need to exploit another.
well, he is right... corel does seem to be clueless. its like a kid being told by their parent to give something back to their sibling, but the kid only gives back part of it - like the remote control minus the batteries. hehe :)
:)
Hopefully this'll be the proverbial spanking that they need
And why in the hell would they possibly say 18 only download? is it maybe because a minor can not enter into a legally binding contract or something?
personally, i think that 1 hour is not enough.
:)
Netscape 4.x works for an hour at least on my box normally... and most of the time only crashes when i close one of the windows.
I'd like to see at least 3 or 4 hours uptime before a crash - even in an alpha. For me, stability is a pretty big thing. I think that 2 hours should be minimum for an alpha. 2 for an alpha, 10 for a beta, and at least 24 for a release. That makes sense to me. The final release should be able to take the longest period of use that any geek can throw at it, which is probably about 24 hours. hehe. Personally, I'd like to see it as stable as the kernel with an uptime of 400 days... but am I being fair?
Another feature that'd be neat to see from a netscape kinda product is fault tollerance. IE will display even garbled HTML fairly right... whereas netscape will half the time decide not to display it at all (esp with frames) I know its nice to have the browser tell u where u screwed up, so maybe it should be a fault tollerance level switch or something? Some kinda syntax checker dialog? That'd be good for developers and for users. A user doesnt want to care if someone didnt type his html right, so fault tollerance would be good for them
well... this was a long time ago... he no longer has the source, nor the time to rewrite it. I suggest someone takes the idea and uses it for something :)
:)
what kinda uses are you thinking of for such a thing? remember that ICMP packets wont necessarily be returned so this would be sort of an unreliable file system, maybe best used if you expect another computer to want some files, so u can start pinging their puter with pings of the data and they can start collecting it when they want it? i duno
A friend of mine made a file system out of ICMP packets - put data in ping packets and bounced it out, using lag as a storage medium. hehe. was neat. he could store a few k out there.
hehe i meant to say potentially dangerous. :)
tho even at a gun range and stuff there are still gun injuries... remember that kid who was shot by a stray bullet at a gun range? or the fact that bullets can apparently backfire? They're a lot safer than cigarettes, of course.