I jumped into this conversation at the wrong time and I apologize. Honestly, and after having gotten some sleep, you are correct in everything you are saying, even you responses to my emotional outbursts I had while posting; however, it's quite another issue altogether to make claims as to some knowledge into human "nature".
I'm not so sure that it's in the natural order at all for humans to be organized into anything other than small bands, perhaps allied into loose tribes/confederacies.
Large "entities" such as "ours" are surely better organized as a "republic". A "democracy" of our size is sure to be mob rule.
I'm not advocating returning to pre-1791 at all. I'm not advocating status quo, or what you call the elitist northeast, or, how about other social cliches? Like dumbass Nascar beef jerk offs?
Ok, I'm not meaning to attack you, not now.
And I don't have the answers.
But I am steadfast against laissez-faire. I don't hold "capitalism" as being my religion. In smaller societies, organized into trading blocks, so long as the economic forces, whatever they be, develop into not only individual means to prosperity, but maintain social responsibility in the communities where they do business.
Profit cannot be the prime motive if we are to survive.
Profit is not some Holy Writ. Profit is an end to fruitful "labor" performed, not in some void, but in the context of a given society without which, it would not have been possible.
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It's good to see some people still with enough energy to think arguments out and to dissect other
people's arguments.
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My diatribes started one night, after one really bad day, and, having read someone's post connected to one of your threads.
We probably have opposing views on society but I'd like my last comment in this thread to be that I hope we're all a little more careful about assuming that human nature is "depraved". That is one big conclusion to draw in any context.
Turn off the tv. Really, I challenge you. Get a shortwave, check out democracynow.org, check out some other media... but, no, you got it all figureedout. no, I don't have it all figured out, just getting older and listening to shithead know it all punks. Ad hominenum?
"http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=103134&cid=87 89646"
Yeah, pay your taxes, compain that about 2% real goes to welfare while 53% goes to "our" adventures.
Dude, don't even bother responding, or do, who gives a fuck, YOU guys won! Ok? Happy!
And NO the media is NOT liberal. Yeah, Rupert Murdoch is a liberal. Give me a fucking break.
NPR is right-wing to me.
Dude, we live in a 2-party no real "fundamental" difference State! Yeah, Democracy! for the people! by the people! Yeah, FUCK you.
You undoubetdly will have some elequent or some snobby response which I'll never read because this is all fuckin bullshit like arguing with Fox News. Cancel this subscription.
Later,
Enjoy.
The same right that we as a socitey decide what we need in order to maintain a stabile society.
You don't lie the protection given to you? The education? The roads?
The privilege to form an S-Corp or an LLC, and not worry about personal liablility?
Separation of business and state?
You mean like the good 'ol days when some people could have slaves? Where's the line?
So, if you don't have the mind to invest in the stock market your fucked after working for 40 years?
So, ok, you don't invest in the social security, say, you invest in the stock market, then you will mandate that everyone depend on corporate greed as they become senile?
Simple, huh? How old are you?
Right, you got it all figured out. Pure and simple. Like genetic thoughts passed down from the left, from the right?
Right, Western Europe is so fucked up. Right, the Swiss and the Germans just gotta get a clue. I mean, look at my country, the USA, fuck, we gotta a really great example of stability.
Ok, before the 1930's, the elites had about 150 years of near laissez-faire.
Dude, the paradigm must change.
The fact is that the so-called god-given rights given to business are given by an organized society.
Hey, you want to do business in my home? In my community? Ok, great, all we ask is that you work with us...
don't like it? Ok, go to Communist China, go to India. Yeah, real wages slaves there! Ok, well, that is what business wants, right?
Take Care.
Enjoy the country built not only by dead soldiers but by dead union organizers, by dead people in this country who believed we can do better.
Don't like it? Go to China. Enjoy.
Marxism failed when Lenin died in 1924.
I "reacted" the way I did because of all the bullshit coming down from the media and people blindly driving around not questioning anything.
No, I think my "reaction" should be forgivable.
Excuse me for not taking any party line like Marx is great for like we're all just one big happy family.
Spit some term like 'you Marxist' out, or, anything that makes "Americans" sound like "god's" gift to the world and, well, sorry, but I will "react."
By the way, Marxism has not failed. Marxism is just a philosophy of economy.
What has failed is Stalinist Fascism, which, like Corporate Fascism/Socialism, will fail too, in the long run.
I don't want to assume you got it all figured out, so I'll chalk this up to misunderstanding.
I certainly don't hold any monopyly on anything, but please, if we resort to bringing up the cliche terms, Marxism, Liberal media (what the fuck is that, FOX???) Yeah, at 36, fuck it, I'll raise my opinion and get people to think.
So, sorry for the misunderstanding, sometimes we bocome braindead after doing sysadmin work all day and all night and get tired of the fucking brainwashed "meme's" and after paying a shit load of taxes which don't really go to welfare or education but really go toward more fucking bombs to get rid of Saddam (get a fucking life! it's elitist bullshit LIES! from an oil family)...
oh, yeah, i've paid into social security all my life. i do look forward to it. sure. why the fuck should i not after working all my fucking life?
Also, Social Security IS the result of revolutions. It was implemented in the 1930's.
Either that or we would have had one hell of a revolution.
So, again, if you got it all figureed out, don't bother because:
1. you got me labelled as a Marxist
2. you got me labelled as an asshole.
Yeah, you got it all figured out.
Have a great day/night whatever the fuck time your duty pager goes off while you try to keep your job and compete with slave/Marxist labor in India/China.
The truth is, all economies are MIXED.
I am not a marxist. I am not a capitalist. That is all bullshit categories designed to keep us all separated into our little jihads while a few
get drunk off of our ignorance.
Take care of yourself.
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No, sorry to bust your tv fed bubble, but unions and governments helped a great deal. The fact remains that these same hard-working individuals would have created another fucking huge revolution here if the unions and governments didn't get the wake up call to economically enfranchise more people into what we call a middle class.
Social security is evil to you to, right? Of course it probably is and so is medicare, universal education, etc etc. No, they are not perfect, but you cannot live in a "relavtively" stabile society without them.
By the way, have you ever actually studied Marx aside from 40 years of corporate media telling you it's like saying you believe in the devil?
And no, you can't pigeonhole me for a marxist for asking that simple fucking question you fucking brainwashed I'm tired of this cowboy shit when I pay high fucking taxes, because I do, country...I'm tired of it, the ignorance any "good ol' boys" like you.
NEG KARMA! Sure, bring it on!.
Also,
1. many universities and companies now dictate you can only stream with IE and Windows Media
2. VPN client...you can google for vpnclients and hope you can get a vpnclient to install. For the corp world to get linux, you MUST have a VPN client without googling all day.
3. Visio anyone.
Right now, I use Crossover, or, I used to use crossover. With crossover office, I got IE 5.5 and a jdk but could still not stream windows media:-)
Vpnclient I found off google. Works right now.
VISIO: no luck and I can't just plop down the bucks to get a virtual vmware windows.
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I jumped into this conversation at the wrong time and I apologize. Honestly, and after having gotten some sleep, you are correct in everything you are saying, even you responses to my emotional outbursts I had while posting; however, it's quite another issue altogether to make claims as to some knowledge into human "nature". I'm not so sure that it's in the natural order at all for humans to be organized into anything other than small bands, perhaps allied into loose tribes/confederacies. Large "entities" such as "ours" are surely better organized as a "republic". A "democracy" of our size is sure to be mob rule. I'm not advocating returning to pre-1791 at all. I'm not advocating status quo, or what you call the elitist northeast, or, how about other social cliches? Like dumbass Nascar beef jerk offs? Ok, I'm not meaning to attack you, not now. And I don't have the answers. But I am steadfast against laissez-faire. I don't hold "capitalism" as being my religion. In smaller societies, organized into trading blocks, so long as the economic forces, whatever they be, develop into not only individual means to prosperity, but maintain social responsibility in the communities where they do business. Profit cannot be the prime motive if we are to survive. Profit is not some Holy Writ. Profit is an end to fruitful "labor" performed, not in some void, but in the context of a given society without which, it would not have been possible. *** It's good to see some people still with enough energy to think arguments out and to dissect other people's arguments. *** My diatribes started one night, after one really bad day, and, having read someone's post connected to one of your threads. We probably have opposing views on society but I'd like my last comment in this thread to be that I hope we're all a little more careful about assuming that human nature is "depraved". That is one big conclusion to draw in any context.
Turn off the tv. Really, I challenge you. Get a shortwave, check out democracynow.org, check out some other media. .. but, no, you got it all figureedout. no, I don't have it all figured out, just getting older and listening to shithead know it all punks. Ad hominenum?
"http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=103134&cid=87 89646"
Yeah, pay your taxes, compain that about 2% real goes to welfare while 53% goes to "our" adventures.
Dude, don't even bother responding, or do, who gives a fuck, YOU guys won! Ok? Happy!
And NO the media is NOT liberal. Yeah, Rupert Murdoch is a liberal. Give me a fucking break.
NPR is right-wing to me.
Dude, we live in a 2-party no real "fundamental" difference State! Yeah, Democracy! for the people! by the people! Yeah, FUCK you.
You undoubetdly will have some elequent or some snobby response which I'll never read because this is all fuckin bullshit like arguing with Fox News. Cancel this subscription.
Later,
Enjoy.
The same right that we as a socitey decide what we need in order to maintain a stabile society. You don't lie the protection given to you? The education? The roads? The privilege to form an S-Corp or an LLC, and not worry about personal liablility?
Separation of business and state? You mean like the good 'ol days when some people could have slaves? Where's the line? So, if you don't have the mind to invest in the stock market your fucked after working for 40 years? So, ok, you don't invest in the social security, say, you invest in the stock market, then you will mandate that everyone depend on corporate greed as they become senile? Simple, huh? How old are you? Right, you got it all figured out. Pure and simple. Like genetic thoughts passed down from the left, from the right? Right, Western Europe is so fucked up. Right, the Swiss and the Germans just gotta get a clue. I mean, look at my country, the USA, fuck, we gotta a really great example of stability. Ok, before the 1930's, the elites had about 150 years of near laissez-faire. Dude, the paradigm must change. The fact is that the so-called god-given rights given to business are given by an organized society. Hey, you want to do business in my home? In my community? Ok, great, all we ask is that you work with us... don't like it? Ok, go to Communist China, go to India. Yeah, real wages slaves there! Ok, well, that is what business wants, right? Take Care. Enjoy the country built not only by dead soldiers but by dead union organizers, by dead people in this country who believed we can do better. Don't like it? Go to China. Enjoy.
Marxism failed when Lenin died in 1924. I "reacted" the way I did because of all the bullshit coming down from the media and people blindly driving around not questioning anything. No, I think my "reaction" should be forgivable. Excuse me for not taking any party line like Marx is great for like we're all just one big happy family. Spit some term like 'you Marxist' out, or, anything that makes "Americans" sound like "god's" gift to the world and, well, sorry, but I will "react." By the way, Marxism has not failed. Marxism is just a philosophy of economy. What has failed is Stalinist Fascism, which, like Corporate Fascism/Socialism, will fail too, in the long run. I don't want to assume you got it all figured out, so I'll chalk this up to misunderstanding. I certainly don't hold any monopyly on anything, but please, if we resort to bringing up the cliche terms, Marxism, Liberal media (what the fuck is that, FOX???) Yeah, at 36, fuck it, I'll raise my opinion and get people to think. So, sorry for the misunderstanding, sometimes we bocome braindead after doing sysadmin work all day and all night and get tired of the fucking brainwashed "meme's" and after paying a shit load of taxes which don't really go to welfare or education but really go toward more fucking bombs to get rid of Saddam (get a fucking life! it's elitist bullshit LIES! from an oil family)... oh, yeah, i've paid into social security all my life. i do look forward to it. sure. why the fuck should i not after working all my fucking life? Also, Social Security IS the result of revolutions. It was implemented in the 1930's. Either that or we would have had one hell of a revolution. So, again, if you got it all figureed out, don't bother because: 1. you got me labelled as a Marxist 2. you got me labelled as an asshole. Yeah, you got it all figured out. Have a great day/night whatever the fuck time your duty pager goes off while you try to keep your job and compete with slave/Marxist labor in India/China. The truth is, all economies are MIXED. I am not a marxist. I am not a capitalist. That is all bullshit categories designed to keep us all separated into our little jihads while a few get drunk off of our ignorance. Take care of yourself.
No, sorry to bust your tv fed bubble, but unions and governments helped a great deal. The fact remains that these same hard-working individuals would have created another fucking huge revolution here if the unions and governments didn't get the wake up call to economically enfranchise more people into what we call a middle class. Social security is evil to you to, right? Of course it probably is and so is medicare, universal education, etc etc. No, they are not perfect, but you cannot live in a "relavtively" stabile society without them. By the way, have you ever actually studied Marx aside from 40 years of corporate media telling you it's like saying you believe in the devil? And no, you can't pigeonhole me for a marxist for asking that simple fucking question you fucking brainwashed I'm tired of this cowboy shit when I pay high fucking taxes, because I do, country...I'm tired of it, the ignorance any "good ol' boys" like you. NEG KARMA! Sure, bring it on!.
Also, 1. many universities and companies now dictate you can only stream with IE and Windows Media 2. VPN client...you can google for vpnclients and hope you can get a vpnclient to install. For the corp world to get linux, you MUST have a VPN client without googling all day. 3. Visio anyone. Right now, I use Crossover, or, I used to use crossover. With crossover office, I got IE 5.5 and a jdk but could still not stream windows media :-)
Vpnclient I found off google. Works right now.
VISIO: no luck and I can't just plop down the bucks to get a virtual vmware windows.