-O3 is a bad, bad idea regardless of what -fweb does.
It's actually a counter-optimisation, in that it results in slower loading times, as it bloats the hell out of your binaries, meaning you need to load more data into RAM. Naturally, it also results in your RAM being used up far faster than normal. On top of all that, -O3 compiles take much more time than non--O3 compiles. That last part isn't terribly bad tho--it would be worth it, if not for the fact that -O3 has no real benefits, yet it has a whole host of negative side-effects.
I know this from experience--I used to use -O3 all the time, until I found this out. Now, I use -Os instead, which is like -O2 except it doesn't add certain binary-bloating flags that are present in -O2.
Raise your hand if you've ever bought or rented DVD with 10+ minutes of unskippable trailers and/or ads at the beginning.
Yup. This is the sole reason I prefer VCDs nowadays. I can live with the lower quality of VCDs if it means that I can skip over whatever I don't like. In fact, as long as it's watchable, I can't really tell the difference in quality anyway.
And did you even notice what I said about Taiwan not having any copyright agreements with anyone?
You're the only one who reduced this down to anything, by posting about nothing else but this. I at least replied to some of your arguments, which is far more than you did, so get off your hypocritical high horse, you little shit.
You're just a horrible person.
P.S. China is too scared of a nuclear attack by the US to invade anyone...they don't want MAD. I may not want to live in the US, which is quickly turning into a fascist police state, but I'm willing to enjoy the benefits of the threat of MAD...
Are you kidding? Taiwan and US are very cozy, significant trading partners, and we supply much of Taiwan's arms (I guess you have been in a closet for the last quarter century).
Taiwan has also never signed a single international copyright treaty, including the Berne Convention.
I certianly do not want to be around when China comes to reclaim their 'rouge province'.
I certainly do not not want to be around when no one knows how to spell "rogue" anymore.
A Pentium D won't be much more expensive than a similarly-clocked Pentium 4 6xx. A single Xeon is far more expensive than either, and you'd have to buy two.
Then there are motherboards. 945-series motherboards probably won't be much more expensive than the current crop of 915-series motherboards (I'd guess that they'd be around the cost of 925X boards), but E75xx-series motherboards are far more expensive. Also, since those boards are geared for server usage, they usually won't have the features one would want in a desktop system.
AFAIK, the P4 doesn't support SMP, and there's no such thing as dual Socket-478 or dual LGA-775 boards. If you want a dual-processor system using ordinary desktop processors, you'd have to get a P3. Or you can just bite the dual-core bullet and get a PD instead...
Then again, if you're going to go dual-core, don't even bother with Intel's CPUs; AMD's Athlon 64 X2 will be out in a few months, and I fully expect it to utterly own the Pentium D.
Except for one thing...multitasking. I multitask a lot, so something like dual core will be a pretty big speed boost. Even gamers can take advantage of that--they can play a multiplayer game on one core, and run the server on the other core.
Also, as for non-multitasking, the *nix world will be getting a boost from this, as far as compiling is concerned. Make has supported multithreading for a while--just use MAKEOPTS="-jN+1" (replace N+1 with the number of cores you have, plus one). It's not just for SMP--it's equally useful for distcc. Imagine SMP + distcc... *drools*
At my last apartment, my roommates and I had both a DI-604 and a DI-524. They both worked perfectly for us (I only used the DI-604 myself, but the 524 worked fine for everyone else who used it).
At my current apartment, I also have a DI-604 (a different one--one of my roommates kept the routers when he moved), and it works perfectly.
My mom has a DI-524 at their house, and it works perfectly when I'm there. For the record, she used to have a Linksys that crashed every day. I finally got her to switch to D-Link by refusing to help her anymore until she got rid of the Linksys. Her boyfriend also has a DI-524 at his place, and it works perfectly.
That's the point--I don't like human interface guidelines. They stifle innovation, shove braindead designs down the user's throat, and they make things harder for the developers.
I don't want apps to conform to Ion. I don't apps to conform to anything--this goes double for apps like GIMP and Firefox that aren't technically GNOME apps. They don't even use libgnome, for Zod's sake. Why the hell should a non-GNOME app try to force GNOME's damn hig down my throat? They should either actually be desktop-neutral or stop claiming to be desktop-neutral. No more of this "we're not a GNOME app, but we're still forcing GNOME's hig down people's throats" bullshit. Either stop with the damn hig or just come out and announce that Firefox/GIMP/etc. are intended to be used only as part of the GNOME desktop.
One of the many reasons I like Ion is that it just does its own thing without regard to anyone's damned hig.
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As someone who is carfree by choice and who has issues with flying, I wish we had a high-speed train system like Japan's.
LISP is as Practical and Common as the Holy Roman Empire was Holy, Roman, and an Empire.
Mod this troll DOWN.
You stupid little piece of shit.
I'm still waiting for Howard the Duck 2!
-O3 is a bad, bad idea regardless of what -fweb does.
It's actually a counter-optimisation, in that it results in slower loading times, as it bloats the hell out of your binaries, meaning you need to load more data into RAM. Naturally, it also results in your RAM being used up far faster than normal. On top of all that, -O3 compiles take much more time than non--O3 compiles. That last part isn't terribly bad tho--it would be worth it, if not for the fact that -O3 has no real benefits, yet it has a whole host of negative side-effects.
I know this from experience--I used to use -O3 all the time, until I found this out. Now, I use -Os instead, which is like -O2 except it doesn't add certain binary-bloating flags that are present in -O2.
Zsh is the only file manager that works the way I want a file manager to work.
Raise your hand if you've ever bought or rented DVD with 10+ minutes of unskippable trailers and/or ads at the beginning.
Yup. This is the sole reason I prefer VCDs nowadays. I can live with the lower quality of VCDs if it means that I can skip over whatever I don't like. In fact, as long as it's watchable, I can't really tell the difference in quality anyway.
And did you even notice what I said about Taiwan not having any copyright agreements with anyone?
You're the only one who reduced this down to anything, by posting about nothing else but this. I at least replied to some of your arguments, which is far more than you did, so get off your hypocritical high horse, you little shit.
You're just a horrible person.
P.S. China is too scared of a nuclear attack by the US to invade anyone...they don't want MAD. I may not want to live in the US, which is quickly turning into a fascist police state, but I'm willing to enjoy the benefits of the threat of MAD...
Are you kidding? Taiwan and US are very cozy, significant trading partners, and we supply much of Taiwan's arms (I guess you have been in a closet for the last quarter century).
Taiwan has also never signed a single international copyright treaty, including the Berne Convention.
I certianly do not want to be around when China comes to reclaim their 'rouge province'.
I certainly do not not want to be around when no one knows how to spell "rogue" anymore.
Only two years left until I graduate college (hopefully), and then I can leave this country and never return.
Taiwan looks like an especially good place to live, considering its lack of diplomatic relations with the US.
My Toshiba laptop (Tecra M3) has a SATA drive, which is also made by Toshiba.
Why is Seagate joining in significant?
*sigh*
I really, really hate developers who shove things like this down users' throats.
Cost.
A Pentium D won't be much more expensive than a similarly-clocked Pentium 4 6xx. A single Xeon is far more expensive than either, and you'd have to buy two.
Then there are motherboards. 945-series motherboards probably won't be much more expensive than the current crop of 915-series motherboards (I'd guess that they'd be around the cost of 925X boards), but E75xx-series motherboards are far more expensive. Also, since those boards are geared for server usage, they usually won't have the features one would want in a desktop system.
AFAIK, the P4 doesn't support SMP, and there's no such thing as dual Socket-478 or dual LGA-775 boards. If you want a dual-processor system using ordinary desktop processors, you'd have to get a P3. Or you can just bite the dual-core bullet and get a PD instead...
Then again, if you're going to go dual-core, don't even bother with Intel's CPUs; AMD's Athlon 64 X2 will be out in a few months, and I fully expect it to utterly own the Pentium D.
Actually, as much as I hate Microsoft, I have to admit that they've done a good job with C# and the .NET platform in general.
It's the one thing they've really done right.
Agreed. I always considered Jefferson a highly overrated hyporcite due to his support for slavery, and I always looked up to Ben Franklin instead.
Except for one thing...multitasking. I multitask a lot, so something like dual core will be a pretty big speed boost. Even gamers can take advantage of that--they can play a multiplayer game on one core, and run the server on the other core.
Also, as for non-multitasking, the *nix world will be getting a boost from this, as far as compiling is concerned. Make has supported multithreading for a while--just use MAKEOPTS="-jN+1" (replace N+1 with the number of cores you have, plus one). It's not just for SMP--it's equally useful for distcc. Imagine SMP + distcc... *drools*
I tried to look through the article, but couldn't find it... does this mean that you will have 4 "virtual cores" on one single chip now?
Yes, but only for the Pentium Extreme Edition. The Pentium D, which should come out soon, won't have HyperThreading enabled.
I second that.
At my last apartment, my roommates and I had both a DI-604 and a DI-524. They both worked perfectly for us (I only used the DI-604 myself, but the 524 worked fine for everyone else who used it).
At my current apartment, I also have a DI-604 (a different one--one of my roommates kept the routers when he moved), and it works perfectly.
My mom has a DI-524 at their house, and it works perfectly when I'm there. For the record, she used to have a Linksys that crashed every day. I finally got her to switch to D-Link by refusing to help her anymore until she got rid of the Linksys. Her boyfriend also has a DI-524 at his place, and it works perfectly.
In short, D-Link == good.
Ah, Winsock hell.
It sure brings back memories...very bad ones, to be exact. I always called it Winsuck...
I'm also a Comcast customer, and I had the same problem, as did everyone else I know. It seems to be fixed now.
Why can't the community get togeather and create an open API like Microsofts Direct-X?
There already is one. It's called SDL (Simple Directmedia Layer).
...that make me glad I'm carfree by choice.
Dear Zod, it's one fucking day. If you don't like it, what the fuck is so hard about not reading Slashdot for one fucking day?
Just leave already, you're not welcome here.
Asshat.
Heh. Here's what she'd say to Bill Gates:
:)
"No, YOU like the cock."
or
"Ewwwwww"
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That's the point--I don't like human interface guidelines. They stifle innovation, shove braindead designs down the user's throat, and they make things harder for the developers.
I don't want apps to conform to Ion. I don't apps to conform to anything--this goes double for apps like GIMP and Firefox that aren't technically GNOME apps. They don't even use libgnome, for Zod's sake. Why the hell should a non-GNOME app try to force GNOME's damn hig down my throat? They should either actually be desktop-neutral or stop claiming to be desktop-neutral. No more of this "we're not a GNOME app, but we're still forcing GNOME's hig down people's throats" bullshit. Either stop with the damn hig or just come out and announce that Firefox/GIMP/etc. are intended to be used only as part of the GNOME desktop.
One of the many reasons I like Ion is that it just does its own thing without regard to anyone's damned hig.