I don't want us to roll over; I want Game Park to be bothered until they release the source. If they had no intentions of releasing anything, then sure, sue them until they do or stop distributing. But they are releasing source. Orginally we had no source, now we have most of it. Do you think it would have been better if, instead of giving them a chance to release it, the FSF would have just shut them down? Who would that have helped? Tivo and Linksys orginally didn't release their code either, but they eventually did and it helped out the community a lot. Would it have been better to just take them off the market instead?
Since Apple's implementation is the least obtrusive and most user friendly, does it make since to protest? Why not go after more draconian DRM?
Because they believe that all DRM is bad. Maybe it doesn't seem so bad now, but once people are used to the "friendly" DRM, then the less and less friendly DRM will be more palatable, and pretty soon everything you do on a computer is controled by the "content providers", kinda like in this scenerio. I'm not sure if it'll get that bad, but a little DRM can go a long way.
As per the GPL their sole remedy in this circumstance is to stop distributing the software in question. Anyone who does so today, including anyone who sells a used GP2x, is guilty of copyright infringement. It's their own fault for outsourcing it to someone who didn't follow the GPL, and their primary responsibility at this time should be to fix the problem.
Of course, that hard-lined "remedy" wouldn't help anyone. It would mean that there's no chance in hell that we'd ever get the rest of the source code, fucking over the people who purchased it, the people who've been trying to develop for it, and the rest of the open source community who could have benefited from the rest of the source being added to the pool. They're trying. They've released most of the source, and if we're not hard-assed bitches about it and force them to shut everything down, then we'll get the rest of it. I really really want the source released, and I don't want that fucked up because some people are impatient.
Do the GPX2 people have thier hands on all the code that they paid for?
I think it's mostly a problem where they liscensed code from proprietary people (like for the SD card drivers) and released that code isn't in their liscense, but they may not have all the code as well. It's a total mess. The FSF needs to send a Korean-speaking dude (or chica) over their to beat up their developers and get this whole mess straightened out (this would be a specific to what I meant by "help and support").
As for whether or not you should get one, I have one, and it's not that great. I'm not hackery enough to get it to do cool shit, source code or no, and the hackers, without the source code, haven't been able to do a lot of cool shit with it yet. I'm hoping though once enough source code is out there that people will do some really sweet shit to it (it has so much potential) and then it'll be like the best little gadget ever.
You want me to dumpster this, invest in a new box -- and why?
I believe the gp actually said you should install Linux on it, not dumpster it.
He recommends Debian, but if you don't know a Linux guru, I recommend Xubuntu. You can try out the live cd and see if you like it without hurting Windows.
Maybe they'd get more support if articles like this posted a little more information. I DON'T KNOW WHAT GP2X IS!
My friend calls it a "Linux Gameboy". It's a handhead game device that takes SD cards and play homebrew games and roms. It also plays movies and shows pictures, and whatever else people can make it do.
They outsourced the Linux development to another company, and then that idiot company did stupid things like mix in proprietary SD card drivers right in. So now they're stuck between the proprietary people saying they can't release it, and the free software people saying they have to, and they're trying to figure out how to seperate the two and make us all happy.
It sucks. And I don't know if they'll ever be able to make anyone happy. But they're trying, and what they need is our help and support, not our bitching. Bitching won't help them figure out what the fuck they're doing. Bitching will make them hate the Linux community and do whatever they can to get away from us. But if they get enough help and support from us, then it'll be easier for them to get out the source, they'll be more likely to want to get out the source, we'll get it faster, and in the future they'll be more likely to put out (compliant) GPLed products in the future.
I don't want us to be doormats and let them get away with whatever, but I don't want us to be viewed as psycho attack dogs that everyone stays away from. Let's save the meanness and the bitching for those that don't try, and help those that do try.
I dunno, it's what people said when they found out IE7 wouldn't support 98.
I guess it's a little mean to the 98 people, but I think it's reasonable. It's hard to support a lot of platforms, and with Vista coming out that would have been 4+ Windows platforms to support without dropping 9x. Also, since it's open-source, there's plenty of opportunity for people to make a fork designed just for Win9x if there's enough interest. 9x people should really upgrade though. Win2k, FYI, is one of the easiest Windows to pirate. There's a hack that someone found to make the CD not even ask you for a key to install. I'm sure most of the ISOs at http://www.isohunt.com/ have it, if anyone needs it. Or here's another place to get your upgrade.
They are still not complying with the GPL. The modified source to MPlayer is still missing. Their last kernel release was missing i2c modules. Source releases have been repeatedly late and incomplete.
I am getting incredibly frustrated with GamePark and their repeated GPL non-compliance.
They're trying. They made a stupid move by outsourcing the Linux development to an idiot company that doesn't understand GPL, but they're trying to make up for that by releasing source code when they can. We should be happy when they release source code, because that's what we want, instead of bitch and bitch until they give up, port BSD to the damned thing and then never give us any source code again. Stay patient. They're trying.
The dumb thing about it is that it's directed at gamers (according to the first link in the summary). Don't gamers already know about the ESRB? And even if there's some that don't, wouldn't they just play the games before their kids to know if it was ok, and if they don't have kids does it really matter if they learn about the ESRB? It's non-gaming parents who don't realize there's games more violent than Tetris that need to be educated, not gamers. Although, appearently this campaign is pushing the "OK to Play" campaign out of the game magazines and into mainstream magazines, which is just great. The other day I was looking at a women's fitness magazine, and there was a full page ad for the DS! Anything to kill the stereotype of us gamers as anti-social freaks hiding in our parents' basements is excellent.
Yes they are alive, as any scientist will happily confirm
Sure, but so are eggs and sperm.
Whether they have free will is more difficult (old philosophical question), but if they don't then so you and me don't either.
Uh, sure. But if they do then I guess sperm and eggs do too. Sure, sperm and eggs don't have a brain, which one logically thinks of as a prereq to free will, but neither do embryos. Sure, sperm and eggs don't have all the cromosomes that people normally do, but there's lots of people with cromosonal deficiencies and we don't kill them. And sperm and eggs are human, I mean, they're not chickens or plants. If they make a human then they have to be human (or God). So does that mean that men who masterbate are murders? That every month I have a period I've just lost a baby? No. It's human tissue dying, but it wasn't a *person*.
May be invisibly small, may be week, but nobody kills it the embryo will grow,
be called a baby when left the womb, and he or she may even change the world one day.
If we're talking cloned embryos, or embryos gotten from other ways for stem cell research (fertility clinic leftovers, sperm & egg donation) then we're not talking about embryos that will grow if left alone, they don't have wombs and will die if left alone. You could argue about the ethics of them being created in the first place, but then they still wouldn't grow up and change the world.
Posit that to any woman who has miscarried, and see for yourself the veracity of that nice little theory. Posit that to the woman (have you every known any?) who has held in her hand the miscarried fetus, watching him die and sobbing intensely.
Have YOU ever known a woman who had a miscarriage? First of all, the fetus/embryo is dead before the miscarriage, so no one's watched a miscarried fetus die. Second, if it's large enough to bury, then it was a stillbirth, not a miscarriage. Miscarriages, for the most part, wind up in the toilet.
How many friends friends have you had that have miscarried after a few weeks? As they cried over the loss of their babies, did you reassure them that they had only lost some "tissue," no different from, as you say, as "liver"?
I miscarried at 6 weeks. The tissue and blood that came out of me was not a baby. I did not cry.
Women who cry over a miscarriage a few weeks in would cry just as much if they had gotten their periods a few weeks prior. That is to say, they are crying because they wanted to be pregnant now, and they're not. What comes out looks nothing like a baby, and could never be confused for one.
Fedora Core is Red Hat's bleeding-edge, community distro. It's not meant for the people who want stability, it's not meant for important servers, it's for people who want new stuff free and in a Red Hat flavor. Red Hat is also only one distribution of Linux out of hundreds. Each distro has it's own documentation, so don't judge all of Linux by one distro's documentation.
In the analogy given, this would be like bombing Hiroshima every few years, each time saying afterward, "Well, you know, it's a shame that this happened, but we can at least use this for some good and not let these people die in vain."
No, it's more like Hiroshima's being nuked constantly, and then some tiny villiage gets bombed once. Then the make love not war types get all in a snit over the tiny villiage, ignoring the people dying in Hiroshima or even coming up with convoluted arguments to continue bombing in Hiroshima.
yeah thats nice and all, but, when will researchers do something usefull... like clone lindsay lohan for me a couple times:P
Unfortunately, cloning Lindsay Lohan for you a couple of times would just leave you with a couple of babies named Lindsay.
Unless science found a way to rapidly age them, but then you'd have a couple of adult women who aren't toilet trained and cry all the time. Now there's a fantasy!
So at what point does an embryo become human? Where is the line drawn?... It has the same DNA etc as us and will grow into a human baby. Why should it's rights be put below the rights of anyone else?
A *possible* human or *potential* human has less rights than an actual person, and when an actual person's rights come in conflict with a *maybe* person's rights, then we have to go with the actual person.
How long are you going to wait until you declare the absence of the two criteria permanent ? An embryo only needs a small number of months in the right environment to begin developing memories.
Thing is, that environment is a *person*. If there's a person willing to carry that embryo for those months, that's great, but what if there isn't? We can't use someone's body against their will (how would you feel if you were *forced* to donate bone marrow, or a kidney, or whatever) so in that case there just isn't an evironment for the embryo to live in long enough to develop memories.
My post has plenty of relevance to yours, at least as much as much as yours does to the topic since the topic isn't about children. It's about embryos, which are thrown away in bulk every day. You don't like it that embryos are trash? Then protest against fertility treatments. What, you don't want to? Embryos can be killed to help the people you want helped but not the people I want helped?
And even if you think cloning humans is morally acceptable, the practice of killing the "superflous" embryos (note the language! Imagine you are suddenly considered "superfluous") that are created in the process by dumping them in the bin can be equated to murder (read: intentional killing of a human being).
Then shut down all the fertility clinics, because they do this more than any science lab.
But pro-lifers won't do that, because they're dumb and just say things like "but fertility clinics create life!" ignoring the fact that they create too much and wind up throwing away more embryos than are aborted.
I don't know, would you go murder a homeless child, butcher it, remove it's heart, and take it to this man for a transplant?
When scientists get stem cells, they don't get them from children. They don't even get them from cute little fetuses that some mean woman is aborting. They get them from microscopic embryos that would be *thrown away* otherwise.
See, fertility clinics produce way more embryos than they need, and that's where science gets it's stem cells. And all the embryos that aren't selected, or prevented because of stupid laws against stem cell research? They get trashed. So I don't think you can bitch about stem cell research, because scientists are taking things that would otherwise be trash and are trying to save lives with them instead. You don't like embryos labeled as trash? Then go stop fetility treatments. They kill many more embryos than abortion does, yet how come I never see pro-lifers protesting in front of fertility clinics?
They don't get stem cells from abortions. Or, at least not many. The vaste majority of stem cells come from fertility treatments. Doctors create dozens of embryos for infertile couples who only want one or two children. Yet, even the majority of extra embryos aren't used for science. Mostly, they're thrown away. Why? Because people think it's better to leave "their children" in storage until everyone forgets about them then donate them to science so they can help people.
No one's ever going to make a career out of getting abortions for science. However, if you really believe life begins at conception, then you should be fighting against fertility treatments.
My post was pointing out how there was nothing wrong with the choices women made in the '50s and the home-based mentality they enjoyed.
The problem was they DIDN'T CHOOSE IT. After WWII, women were literally fired from their jobs to make room for the men coming home from war. The few that tried to stay in the workforce were faced with BLATANT discrimination. Single mothers who were passed on for promotions and raises were told "He needs it more because he has a family". Newspapers divided up the job listings by "male" and "female" and guess which section they put the good jobs in? Remember the slogan "Equal Pay for Equal Work? You ever wonder why that came around? It came because companies actually had different pay scales for men and women. My grandma didn't try to kill herself because she wanted to "ruffle feathers"; she tried because there wasn't a place in the world for her.
I want there to be a place in the world for every woman (and man). That's what I'm arguing, and that's what your ignoring while bitching that some other feminists (who I also disagree with) make stay-at-home moms feel bad. Have I bitched at you that some other men in favor of traditional roles think it should be ok to beat women? No, because you haven't argued that. So why do you insist on arguing points that I don't believe in and didn't bring up?
I've also got to mention that I am not a Republican and I am not from the south (I'm from PA). I don't even go to church. I'd be willing to bet that you had me stereotyped as a Baptist southern boy.
I never assumed anything about you. I take everything you've said independantly of anything else I might have heard from anyone else, and all I ask is that you do that for me. I have nothing against religious people (of any religion) or southerners or Republicans. Some members of my family are southern Republicans and I love them very much, and I teach Sunday School so I obviously have nothing against churchgoers. I would never confuse you for my family members or the other people in my church.
Feminism has a lot of problems and is the reason for many of the problems women face today.
Nothing is perfect, but I believe feminism has fixed a lot of problems for women. Many people don't realize what gains feminism has given the women, even the housewives. As I said before, the work housewives did wasn't considered important, or even actually work. Read some articles and books that talk about women and housewives written before the '60s. I bet you can't find one not written by a feminist that gives the housewife role anywhere near the respect that you do, though today you can find many people who share your opinion that being a housewife is a very important calling. Feminism has made social changes that help all women, from being able to vote and have credit cards to making rape cases realisticly prosecutable. Feminism let women into college, whether they want the education to be a doctor or whether they want it so they can teach their children biology. Feminism has done a lot for women, and I personally am glad that I was born after feminism had done a lot work. Women who want to be housewives can do so today, but women who don't couldn't yesterday.
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I don't want us to roll over; I want Game Park to be bothered until they release the source. If they had no intentions of releasing anything, then sure, sue them until they do or stop distributing. But they are releasing source. Orginally we had no source, now we have most of it. Do you think it would have been better if, instead of giving them a chance to release it, the FSF would have just shut them down? Who would that have helped? Tivo and Linksys orginally didn't release their code either, but they eventually did and it helped out the community a lot. Would it have been better to just take them off the market instead?
Do the GPX2 people have thier hands on all the code that they paid for?
I think it's mostly a problem where they liscensed code from proprietary people (like for the SD card drivers) and released that code isn't in their liscense, but they may not have all the code as well. It's a total mess. The FSF needs to send a Korean-speaking dude (or chica) over their to beat up their developers and get this whole mess straightened out (this would be a specific to what I meant by "help and support").
As for whether or not you should get one, I have one, and it's not that great. I'm not hackery enough to get it to do cool shit, source code or no, and the hackers, without the source code, haven't been able to do a lot of cool shit with it yet. I'm hoping though once enough source code is out there that people will do some really sweet shit to it (it has so much potential) and then it'll be like the best little gadget ever.
I fourth this. (I just want to see how long we can make this chain)
You want me to dumpster this, invest in a new box -- and why?
I believe the gp actually said you should install Linux on it, not dumpster it.
He recommends Debian, but if you don't know a Linux guru, I recommend Xubuntu. You can try out the live cd and see if you like it without hurting Windows.
Maybe they'd get more support if articles like this posted a little more information. I DON'T KNOW WHAT GP2X IS!
My friend calls it a "Linux Gameboy". It's a handhead game device that takes SD cards and play homebrew games and roms. It also plays movies and shows pictures, and whatever else people can make it do.
Links: http://www.gp2x.com/ http://wiki.gp2x.org/
They outsourced the Linux development to another company, and then that idiot company did stupid things like mix in proprietary SD card drivers right in. So now they're stuck between the proprietary people saying they can't release it, and the free software people saying they have to, and they're trying to figure out how to seperate the two and make us all happy.
It sucks. And I don't know if they'll ever be able to make anyone happy. But they're trying, and what they need is our help and support, not our bitching. Bitching won't help them figure out what the fuck they're doing. Bitching will make them hate the Linux community and do whatever they can to get away from us. But if they get enough help and support from us, then it'll be easier for them to get out the source, they'll be more likely to want to get out the source, we'll get it faster, and in the future they'll be more likely to put out (compliant) GPLed products in the future.
I don't want us to be doormats and let them get away with whatever, but I don't want us to be viewed as psycho attack dogs that everyone stays away from. Let's save the meanness and the bitching for those that don't try, and help those that do try.
I dunno, it's what people said when they found out IE7 wouldn't support 98.
I guess it's a little mean to the 98 people, but I think it's reasonable. It's hard to support a lot of platforms, and with Vista coming out that would have been 4+ Windows platforms to support without dropping 9x. Also, since it's open-source, there's plenty of opportunity for people to make a fork designed just for Win9x if there's enough interest. 9x people should really upgrade though. Win2k, FYI, is one of the easiest Windows to pirate. There's a hack that someone found to make the CD not even ask you for a key to install. I'm sure most of the ISOs at http://www.isohunt.com/ have it, if anyone needs it. Or here's another place to get your upgrade.
They are still not complying with the GPL. The modified source to MPlayer is still missing. Their last kernel release was missing i2c modules. Source releases have been repeatedly late and incomplete. I am getting incredibly frustrated with GamePark and their repeated GPL non-compliance.
They're trying. They made a stupid move by outsourcing the Linux development to an idiot company that doesn't understand GPL, but they're trying to make up for that by releasing source code when they can. We should be happy when they release source code, because that's what we want, instead of bitch and bitch until they give up, port BSD to the damned thing and then never give us any source code again. Stay patient. They're trying.
The dumb thing about it is that it's directed at gamers (according to the first link in the summary). Don't gamers already know about the ESRB? And even if there's some that don't, wouldn't they just play the games before their kids to know if it was ok, and if they don't have kids does it really matter if they learn about the ESRB? It's non-gaming parents who don't realize there's games more violent than Tetris that need to be educated, not gamers. Although, appearently this campaign is pushing the "OK to Play" campaign out of the game magazines and into mainstream magazines, which is just great. The other day I was looking at a women's fitness magazine, and there was a full page ad for the DS! Anything to kill the stereotype of us gamers as anti-social freaks hiding in our parents' basements is excellent.
Yes they are alive, as any scientist will happily confirm
Sure, but so are eggs and sperm.
Whether they have free will is more difficult (old philosophical question), but if they don't then so you and me don't either.
Uh, sure. But if they do then I guess sperm and eggs do too. Sure, sperm and eggs don't have a brain, which one logically thinks of as a prereq to free will, but neither do embryos. Sure, sperm and eggs don't have all the cromosomes that people normally do, but there's lots of people with cromosonal deficiencies and we don't kill them. And sperm and eggs are human, I mean, they're not chickens or plants. If they make a human then they have to be human (or God). So does that mean that men who masterbate are murders? That every month I have a period I've just lost a baby? No. It's human tissue dying, but it wasn't a *person*.
May be invisibly small, may be week, but nobody kills it the embryo will grow, be called a baby when left the womb, and he or she may even change the world one day.
If we're talking cloned embryos, or embryos gotten from other ways for stem cell research (fertility clinic leftovers, sperm & egg donation) then we're not talking about embryos that will grow if left alone, they don't have wombs and will die if left alone. You could argue about the ethics of them being created in the first place, but then they still wouldn't grow up and change the world.
Posit that to any woman who has miscarried, and see for yourself the veracity of that nice little theory. Posit that to the woman (have you every known any?) who has held in her hand the miscarried fetus, watching him die and sobbing intensely.
Have YOU ever known a woman who had a miscarriage? First of all, the fetus/embryo is dead before the miscarriage, so no one's watched a miscarried fetus die. Second, if it's large enough to bury, then it was a stillbirth, not a miscarriage. Miscarriages, for the most part, wind up in the toilet.
How many friends friends have you had that have miscarried after a few weeks? As they cried over the loss of their babies, did you reassure them that they had only lost some "tissue," no different from, as you say, as "liver"?
I miscarried at 6 weeks. The tissue and blood that came out of me was not a baby. I did not cry.
Women who cry over a miscarriage a few weeks in would cry just as much if they had gotten their periods a few weeks prior. That is to say, they are crying because they wanted to be pregnant now, and they're not. What comes out looks nothing like a baby, and could never be confused for one.
Fedora Core is Red Hat's bleeding-edge, community distro. It's not meant for the people who want stability, it's not meant for important servers, it's for people who want new stuff free and in a Red Hat flavor. Red Hat is also only one distribution of Linux out of hundreds. Each distro has it's own documentation, so don't judge all of Linux by one distro's documentation.
In the analogy given, this would be like bombing Hiroshima every few years, each time saying afterward, "Well, you know, it's a shame that this happened, but we can at least use this for some good and not let these people die in vain."
No, it's more like Hiroshima's being nuked constantly, and then some tiny villiage gets bombed once. Then the make love not war types get all in a snit over the tiny villiage, ignoring the people dying in Hiroshima or even coming up with convoluted arguments to continue bombing in Hiroshima.
yeah thats nice and all, but, when will researchers do something usefull... like clone lindsay lohan for me a couple times :P
Unfortunately, cloning Lindsay Lohan for you a couple of times would just leave you with a couple of babies named Lindsay.
Unless science found a way to rapidly age them, but then you'd have a couple of adult women who aren't toilet trained and cry all the time. Now there's a fantasy!
So at what point does an embryo become human? Where is the line drawn? ... It has the same DNA etc as us and will grow into a human baby. Why should it's rights be put below the rights of anyone else?
A *possible* human or *potential* human has less rights than an actual person, and when an actual person's rights come in conflict with a *maybe* person's rights, then we have to go with the actual person.
How long are you going to wait until you declare the absence of the two criteria permanent ? An embryo only needs a small number of months in the right environment to begin developing memories.
Thing is, that environment is a *person*. If there's a person willing to carry that embryo for those months, that's great, but what if there isn't? We can't use someone's body against their will (how would you feel if you were *forced* to donate bone marrow, or a kidney, or whatever) so in that case there just isn't an evironment for the embryo to live in long enough to develop memories.
My post has plenty of relevance to yours, at least as much as much as yours does to the topic since the topic isn't about children. It's about embryos, which are thrown away in bulk every day. You don't like it that embryos are trash? Then protest against fertility treatments. What, you don't want to? Embryos can be killed to help the people you want helped but not the people I want helped?
And even if you think cloning humans is morally acceptable, the practice of killing the "superflous" embryos (note the language! Imagine you are suddenly considered "superfluous") that are created in the process by dumping them in the bin can be equated to murder (read: intentional killing of a human being).
Then shut down all the fertility clinics, because they do this more than any science lab.
But pro-lifers won't do that, because they're dumb and just say things like "but fertility clinics create life!" ignoring the fact that they create too much and wind up throwing away more embryos than are aborted.
I don't know, would you go murder a homeless child, butcher it, remove it's heart, and take it to this man for a transplant?
When scientists get stem cells, they don't get them from children. They don't even get them from cute little fetuses that some mean woman is aborting. They get them from microscopic embryos that would be *thrown away* otherwise.
See, fertility clinics produce way more embryos than they need, and that's where science gets it's stem cells. And all the embryos that aren't selected, or prevented because of stupid laws against stem cell research? They get trashed. So I don't think you can bitch about stem cell research, because scientists are taking things that would otherwise be trash and are trying to save lives with them instead. You don't like embryos labeled as trash? Then go stop fetility treatments. They kill many more embryos than abortion does, yet how come I never see pro-lifers protesting in front of fertility clinics?
They don't get stem cells from abortions. Or, at least not many. The vaste majority of stem cells come from fertility treatments. Doctors create dozens of embryos for infertile couples who only want one or two children. Yet, even the majority of extra embryos aren't used for science. Mostly, they're thrown away. Why? Because people think it's better to leave "their children" in storage until everyone forgets about them then donate them to science so they can help people.
No one's ever going to make a career out of getting abortions for science. However, if you really believe life begins at conception, then you should be fighting against fertility treatments.
Thanks, it has been fun.
My post was pointing out how there was nothing wrong with the choices women made in the '50s and the home-based mentality they enjoyed.
The problem was they DIDN'T CHOOSE IT. After WWII, women were literally fired from their jobs to make room for the men coming home from war. The few that tried to stay in the workforce were faced with BLATANT discrimination. Single mothers who were passed on for promotions and raises were told "He needs it more because he has a family". Newspapers divided up the job listings by "male" and "female" and guess which section they put the good jobs in? Remember the slogan "Equal Pay for Equal Work? You ever wonder why that came around? It came because companies actually had different pay scales for men and women. My grandma didn't try to kill herself because she wanted to "ruffle feathers"; she tried because there wasn't a place in the world for her.
I want there to be a place in the world for every woman (and man). That's what I'm arguing, and that's what your ignoring while bitching that some other feminists (who I also disagree with) make stay-at-home moms feel bad. Have I bitched at you that some other men in favor of traditional roles think it should be ok to beat women? No, because you haven't argued that. So why do you insist on arguing points that I don't believe in and didn't bring up?
I've also got to mention that I am not a Republican and I am not from the south (I'm from PA). I don't even go to church. I'd be willing to bet that you had me stereotyped as a Baptist southern boy.
I never assumed anything about you. I take everything you've said independantly of anything else I might have heard from anyone else, and all I ask is that you do that for me. I have nothing against religious people (of any religion) or southerners or Republicans. Some members of my family are southern Republicans and I love them very much, and I teach Sunday School so I obviously have nothing against churchgoers. I would never confuse you for my family members or the other people in my church.
Feminism has a lot of problems and is the reason for many of the problems women face today.
Nothing is perfect, but I believe feminism has fixed a lot of problems for women. Many people don't realize what gains feminism has given the women, even the housewives. As I said before, the work housewives did wasn't considered important, or even actually work. Read some articles and books that talk about women and housewives written before the '60s. I bet you can't find one not written by a feminist that gives the housewife role anywhere near the respect that you do, though today you can find many people who share your opinion that being a housewife is a very important calling. Feminism has made social changes that help all women, from being able to vote and have credit cards to making rape cases realisticly prosecutable. Feminism let women into college, whether they want the education to be a doctor or whether they want it so they can teach their children biology. Feminism has done a lot for women, and I personally am glad that I was born after feminism had done a lot work. Women who want to be housewives can do so today, but women who don't couldn't yesterday.