One patron asked Dave as he was walking by one day if he had anything to do with the computers. Dave said yes, and the user thanked him for stopping the pop-up ads.
Yeah whatever... most users of that knowledge level get upset if you move their shortcut from the top of the screen to the bottom... you're not honestly going to try and tell me that this guy didn't notice an entire OS being switched on him?
I'm all for linux and getting as many people on it as possible, but to suggest that users won't even notice is FUD of the highest order itself.
but considering most of the folk who work in standard (read non-graphic orientated) offices would need to be retrained (here's a single button mouse Mr. Technophobe president), as well as your hardware costs increases, administrative support difficulties (a lot more MS folk out there) I still fail to see how you have much of a point here.
Viruses are a bitch, but it would still cost a lot more to employ Macs in a regular office environment.
Last time I checked... everything to do with a mac was more expensive than windows (and yes that's TCO)
Argue linux is a better value than Windows and I'll agree with you, but mac most certainly is not, unless, like I said originally, your line of work gets a certain extra beneift from them.
Don't what business school you went to, but unless there's a demonstrable need for Mac in you line of work (ie you're an architect), no cfo worth his salt would pay double the price for what amounts to a fancy looking PC.
If we accept that public policy for a population of 284 million should not be directed at addressing a subset of 100,000, then my question would be:
How many people stand to benefit from more restrictive copyright laws, or if you will, how many people will be harmed if technology continues to develop new ways of changing content distribution models? Is it even 100,000?
You as an employee do not have the fiscal resources as a company does as the employer, so the negotiation is not an equal one.
If I was selling apples to you a $1000 a peice and you were starving, you do not have "the freedom" to go find apples somewhere else. (Well, you do, but we as a society aren't willing to accept that as reasonable.)
I thought this was established back in the 19th century... apparently, you Americans are still learning.
Alright, I can buy those arguments. Although I'm still not completely sold on any large performance boosts over a properly designed PHP/Perl etc. web application. I'll buy the richer widget set, but that could easily be achieved as well using flash (I know, i know, flash is for lusers), or the dreaded Java. (dreaded because it doesn't play as nice as it should with XP - well, vise versa, but the same result nonetheless)
We're starting to redesign an internal app here, for which we have a fair number of remote users. These users are quite frankly (who can blame them) sick of using a citrix based set up, so I thought if I could see some real advantages, this would be worth the investigation.
You've piqued my interest. I'll do some further research.
I understand the need (or desire) for a richer interface... but then you go and force me to install a mozilla based browser (so much for platform independence) if I don't regularly use one! (Hint, most people don't) What's the difference then? I could've installed a JVI, or any other type of client application for that matter.
In his case, it's probably not worth much because the app is internal, but what about the amazon example? Why not a PHP/Perl page? Why not flash even? Just so we can say we used XUL?
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An Athalon XP runs cooler than an Intel PIV...which is probably why we haven't heard much about evil CPU temps anymore...
The cost of a Windows environment has gone up because enterprises have to install security patches very rapidly
Am I the only one who's discovered that Automatic Updates are actually automatic?
Fear Uncertainty and Doubt.
lol... sure bud, you VNC into more than just "your other computer" and we'll talk once again.
One patron asked Dave as he was walking by one day if he had anything to do with the computers. Dave said yes, and the user thanked him for stopping the pop-up ads.
Yeah whatever... most users of that knowledge level get upset if you move their shortcut from the top of the screen to the bottom... you're not honestly going to try and tell me that this guy didn't notice an entire OS being switched on him?
I'm all for linux and getting as many people on it as possible, but to suggest that users won't even notice is FUD of the highest order itself.
Aren't they planning on "reading" your emails and then serving up targeted ads?
Not all that much different if you ask me.
but considering most of the folk who work in standard (read non-graphic orientated) offices would need to be retrained (here's a single button mouse Mr. Technophobe president), as well as your hardware costs increases, administrative support difficulties (a lot more MS folk out there) I still fail to see how you have much of a point here.
Viruses are a bitch, but it would still cost a lot more to employ Macs in a regular office environment.
Last time I checked... everything to do with a mac was more expensive than windows (and yes that's TCO)
Argue linux is a better value than Windows and I'll agree with you, but mac most certainly is not, unless, like I said originally, your line of work gets a certain extra beneift from them.
Don't what business school you went to, but unless there's a demonstrable need for Mac in you line of work (ie you're an architect), no cfo worth his salt would pay double the price for what amounts to a fancy looking PC.
You can get an older browser (NN4 for example) to display a CSS/XHTML document by completely ignoring the style. It'll crap out on an XML doc though.
Simply, the embracing of XML/XSLT is being head back by the need to support as many back-asswards or olded browsers as possible.
look here:
www.csszengarden.com
not so long ago I would have agreed with you... but not anymore:
CSS Zen Garden is a good start.
I wish I had mod points... lol.
If we accept that public policy for a population of 284 million should not be directed at addressing a subset of 100,000, then my question would be:
How many people stand to benefit from more restrictive copyright laws, or if you will, how many people will be harmed if technology continues to develop new ways of changing content distribution models? Is it even 100,000?
'nuff said.
But how does a footbal player turn soldier qualify as a hero, exacty?
I was a soldier, am I a hero? Are football players heroes?
What about Iraqi soldiers, are they heroes?
We Aready have those... they're called m-16's.
Contrary to popular belief, Kevlar vests do not completly negate the effects of a 5.56 round hitting the soldier.
They're designed to prevent injury from fragmentation, (explosions, etc) which accounts for most battlefield injures.
Although in some cases vests have saved soldiers from the effects of bullet wounds, that's not the intent.
It's too big, which is my point.
for every possible HDD innovation?
Really, until you get 100GB into something the size of a pinhead, don't waste my time.
the millions of lives lost to things such as radar, jet engines, jeeps, sonar, kevlar, etc...
Not all military stuff goes boom you know.
You as an employee do not have the fiscal resources as a company does as the employer, so the negotiation is not an equal one.
If I was selling apples to you a $1000 a peice and you were starving, you do not have "the freedom" to go find apples somewhere else. (Well, you do, but we as a society aren't willing to accept that as reasonable.)
I thought this was established back in the 19th century... apparently, you Americans are still learning.
Alright, I can buy those arguments. Although I'm still not completely sold on any large performance boosts over a properly designed PHP/Perl etc. web application. I'll buy the richer widget set, but that could easily be achieved as well using flash (I know, i know, flash is for lusers), or the dreaded Java. (dreaded because it doesn't play as nice as it should with XP - well, vise versa, but the same result nonetheless)
We're starting to redesign an internal app here, for which we have a fair number of remote users. These users are quite frankly (who can blame them) sick of using a citrix based set up, so I thought if I could see some real advantages, this would be worth the investigation.
You've piqued my interest. I'll do some further research.
Which makes it no different than Java, in that respect.
I'm playing the devil's advocate a bit here.
I understand the need (or desire) for a richer interface... but then you go and force me to install a mozilla based browser (so much for platform independence) if I don't regularly use one! (Hint, most people don't) What's the difference then? I could've installed a JVI, or any other type of client application for that matter.
In his case, it's probably not worth much because the app is internal, but what about the amazon example? Why not a PHP/Perl page? Why not flash even? Just so we can say we used XUL?
them's the ones... I haven't seen them in a long time... many variants out there though.