Ease up, I think that pretty much every political force is in favor of the US getting off its fat ass and competing hard to be number 1 in the world. There's nothing wrong with that. Put the paranoia back in the box.
The 'unpleasant' aspect is visible on hand in the FRG today. Normally, the Bundesbank would be cutting interest rates in order to stave off a nasty recession. The ECB has to balance German need for more currency with faster growing periphery states where inflation is a higher problem. Unpleasant, indeed!
No thanks, I'd rather take the elevator instead. Cost to build $20B. Cost to fund (with 100% contingency) $40B total. You get a nice, smooth trip to orbit suitable for even medically challenged individuals. The estimated cost to launch 1kg would be $100-$200 instead of $40,000 via shuttle.
The US has become so dominant because a third of the world was under the sway of a dead end ideology (communism) and most of the rest of the world decided that they were willing to settle for their current level of achievement. The US never slowed down on its quest to improve after the wakeup call in the 70s and it's built up a fairly good lead. It has a natural growth rate of about 3% of GDP every year, sometimes slower, sometimes faster. That's what we're comfortable with and anybody in the world can catch up and surpass the US. All they have to do is have a sustainable natural growth rate of 4% or higher and the societal structure that will support it.
I'd actually agree that the UK in NAFTA instead of the EU isn't going to happen but you have the sovereignty issues backwards. NAFTA rules are *much* easier on sovereignty than EU rules. We don't care whether you use pounds or kilograms and whether you keep traditional english hedgerows.
Becoming a state might be an option but it's unlikely in the extreme both because you wouldn't want it and neither would we. The US is not in an expansive mood and hasn't been for quite a long time. We've gotten picky about who can become a state.
On the biggest environmental question of the day (global warming), space data is just ignored. The space data on global temperature is widely ignored since [dramatic drumroll please] it indicates no global warming is occuring. The much higher source of error ground stations are depended on instead because they give comforting numbers for the apocalyptic predictors of doom (what a great name for a band).
It may be confusing for you to call Russia's space agency Russian but you clearly haven't quite wrapped your brain around the reality of the USSR. The ESA's launch site is a french colony (french guyana) and the Russian's launch site is a former Russian colony, Kazakhstan. Russia, for the geographically challenged is both a european and asian entitiy that is the US' closest neighbor after Canada and Mexico who actually share a land border.
Beyond that, you might want to wrap your head around the fact that the EU does not consist of all of Europe and will not likely do so for quite some time. The ESA is a grandiose title that may someday be true but is by no means true today and will not be true this decade at least.
You're also SOL if a plane is crashed into the Eiffel Tower, Big Ben, or whatever your local landmark is. Nukes are useless for states fighting terrorists.
The EU figure is around 1% of GDP by comparison. Neither figure is adequate for wartime. I believe that the day we got hit at Pearl Harbor we were at 3% of GDP.
The EU considers it can get by with 1/3 of minimum peacetime military because it has a security subsidy from the US worth about 2% of their GDP and they get it by being nice and fuzzy and rolling over every time the US needs to do something military in the world. I wonder how long that 2% subsidy is going to last if they continue to pretend full independence like a spoiled brat teenager who wants to stay at home with his parents but without any of their rules?
It would be a useful exercise for EU voters to ask their local legislator what would have to give if their nation's defense budget had to be tripled. The social services carnage would be awesomely horrific I think but you all should check, just to get the real information from your local experts.
Oooh, oooh, that means E. Europe gets even *more* cheap bases beyond the relocated FRG ones.
Hey, mutual delight! I think we have a winner here.
For the US basing out of Kogalniceanu in Constanta means short flight times to the Mid East and the Caucuses. It also would lead to stabilization of a regionally key seam country between the functioning core and the non-integrating gap countries. It works in multiple ways.
In reality the UK bases will stay because the UK is a true ally and not paying lip service as a few other EU powers are.
The EU *is* about everybody getting along as long as the Poles, Romanians, Bulgarians, etc. sit down and shut up when their betters speak, it works just fine and dandy.
Jacques Chirac did more in 30 seconds to expose EU hypocricy than the entire anti-EU movement did in years. An admirable achievement, even more so as it was completely unintentional.
Yes because the MS music store is.... not there. In fact, if you want to use a similar music store on Windows, I hear the iTunes store will be coming to your platform, sometime next year.
I can just imagine Steve Ballmer trying to negotiate content deals with hundreds, eventually thousands of world-wide record labels, each with a monopoly of their own, each able to sidestep his technology, and each with a lot of experience in bruising negotiations over IP rights. Now *those* are meetings I'd like to see.
And yes, I *am* feeding the troll. This particular one is just so funny. B-)
Yes, but is anybody *doing* it? And if they're not, why aren't we seeing the FSF throw a fit just like every other GPL violation they know about?
From the observed fact that people aren't publishing links to their code you can either conclude that nobody is using embedded linux or you're missing something in your interpretation of the GPL.
What I was getting at was different. If you include a custom tuned embedded linux (for example to provide your name brand car mapping service) this interpretation would mean you would have to release the source code of the sealed unit that nobody's ever going to take apart and hack. This is going to be viewed with suspicion in the manufacturing world. I would suspect that if they got the 'full Stallman' on this, they'd either swap to a FreeBSD or go proprietary. In other words, it's a burden even if (as you say correctly) you don't have to distribute your own code. All you need to do is modify the embedded Linux itself. What's the point of having an open source OS if you're not going to muck around with it?
In fact, they purposefully do *not* want you thinking about anything except the car, appliance, etc. as a whole and certainly not something as ancillary as the embedded software used to power the thing. Even if it's just custom compiled kernel code in their embedded linux, it takes away from their sales presentation focus and that is a *bad* thing. Appliance people argue over the inclusion of $0.005 parts, the margins are so thin and the numbers are so large. You're going to saddle them with a $0.20 CD/ROM/sleeve extra cost per unit so they can use 'free software'?
No, this would be a burden on embedded Linux and I am guessing that in the real world, it doesn't work out that way because I've never been notified about access to embedded linux source code in any appliance or cell phone that I've ever gotten.
The great spanish inquisition, a huge stain on the catholic church killed under 1000. If you're just guessing that the religious toll *must* be greater, guess again. The subject is serious enough that it deserves a true count. The total communist toll in one century is 100 million. That's a hell of a number over a very short period of time.
On the side, you're using deists in a non-standard way. What exactly do you mean by it?
By this argument does Ford Motor company have to give you source code for their embedded computers running Linux? If so, that's really going to kick embedded Linux in the teeth if your appliance and motor vehicle vendors also have to become software distributors.
no, no, that means that when we sell guidance systems to Israel with requirements that they get our approval before selling them on, the Israelis are bound to give the source code to the PRC when they next do an illegal technology transfer otherwise next time they're not only going to have to face congressional scrutiny but the wrath of Richard Stallman.
God, I'm looking forward to a ME where Israel isn't the most open and democratic society so they'll get off their US subsidized, pampered butts and fix what ails them.
I believe that there are two factors that differentiate both a space elevator and space resource extraction from your typical IPO. First of all there is the romantic factor. Every SF convention the world over would pass the jar on this one if they could contribute extremely small amounts without losing most of it to processing costs. There are a lot of individuals that confronted with a nice story would drop a few bucks in the jars even though they view themselves as practical men who would anser Heinlein who? if you asked. The 2nd reason is that we've got a serious problem on this planet with security. A nice fellow out at the naval war college has an interesting theory to serve as underlying strategy for the tactical Bush 'go after the terrorists' plan.
There's really only one problem with his core/gap analysis, integrating so many countries into the global system will unleash an incredible bidding war for resources and there simply isn't enough energy available to satisfy everybody. But if they're not satisfied enough with the system they produce the next wave of security crises.
So how do you get 20 terawatts of electricity every year and other resources to match? It's either space or you end up living the Club of Rome's dark fantasies of resource shortages or you give up on ever having a secure US of A and don't shrink/eliminate the Gap.
Do I require a rate of return to avoid global chaos and a horrible world for my children? It would be nice to have a dollars and cents figure eventually but I'll take the soft benefits of no rioting in my town and electricity 24/7 for my descendents if that's all that's on offer.
Human beings of all ideologies can be rotten, brutal, evil and malicious. The relevant comparison in regimes is total deaths and percentage of your own population's death in my opinion. From memory, both figures are held by communism with the Soviets taking the total #s crown at 67 million and Cambodia taking the percentage crown at 1/3 of their own people in a few short years.
I understood what he was saying but it makes it no better to argue that naziism was out of the christian tradition. There is a difference in kind between the nazi belief system and the christian belief system. I know that the Church intensively studies the German experience in the 30s to this day. Part of the results of that was a severe tightening of just war theory that we all saw on full display over the Iraq war where bishops played back seat driver to national leadership to an unprecedented extent very much because the German bishops of the time did not play back seat driver enough.
As for the dichotomy between religious and moral, I would suggest that religious leaders are subject matter experts in morals and comprise a large majority of the people on the planet who professionally think about moral matters. The original post on this topic was about taking religious people out of moral supervisory roles regarding scientific experimentation. I don't deny that you *can* have non-religious moral standards, I do think that taking out the majority of professional moralists on the planet will inevitably reduce moral supervision of scientific experimentation which I hope you agree would be a bad thing.
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I thought they figured out how to degrade signal for only the war zone.
Ease up, I think that pretty much every political force is in favor of the US getting off its fat ass and competing hard to be number 1 in the world. There's nothing wrong with that. Put the paranoia back in the box.
The 'unpleasant' aspect is visible on hand in the FRG today. Normally, the Bundesbank would be cutting interest rates in order to stave off a nasty recession. The ECB has to balance German need for more currency with faster growing periphery states where inflation is a higher problem. Unpleasant, indeed!
No thanks, I'd rather take the elevator instead. Cost to build $20B. Cost to fund (with 100% contingency) $40B total. You get a nice, smooth trip to orbit suitable for even medically challenged individuals. The estimated cost to launch 1kg would be $100-$200 instead of $40,000 via shuttle.
My guess is that american faith in russian safety systems took a big hit with Chernobyl.
What's really funny is that this can be a barb pointed in either direction.
The US has become so dominant because a third of the world was under the sway of a dead end ideology (communism) and most of the rest of the world decided that they were willing to settle for their current level of achievement. The US never slowed down on its quest to improve after the wakeup call in the 70s and it's built up a fairly good lead. It has a natural growth rate of about 3% of GDP every year, sometimes slower, sometimes faster. That's what we're comfortable with and anybody in the world can catch up and surpass the US. All they have to do is have a sustainable natural growth rate of 4% or higher and the societal structure that will support it.
So far, no takers.
I'd actually agree that the UK in NAFTA instead of the EU isn't going to happen but you have the sovereignty issues backwards. NAFTA rules are *much* easier on sovereignty than EU rules. We don't care whether you use pounds or kilograms and whether you keep traditional english hedgerows.
Becoming a state might be an option but it's unlikely in the extreme both because you wouldn't want it and neither would we. The US is not in an expansive mood and hasn't been for quite a long time. We've gotten picky about who can become a state.
On the biggest environmental question of the day (global warming), space data is just ignored. The space data on global temperature is widely ignored since [dramatic drumroll please] it indicates no global warming is occuring. The much higher source of error ground stations are depended on instead because they give comforting numbers for the apocalyptic predictors of doom (what a great name for a band).
It may be confusing for you to call Russia's space agency Russian but you clearly haven't quite wrapped your brain around the reality of the USSR. The ESA's launch site is a french colony (french guyana) and the Russian's launch site is a former Russian colony, Kazakhstan. Russia, for the geographically challenged is both a european and asian entitiy that is the US' closest neighbor after Canada and Mexico who actually share a land border.
Beyond that, you might want to wrap your head around the fact that the EU does not consist of all of Europe and will not likely do so for quite some time. The ESA is a grandiose title that may someday be true but is by no means true today and will not be true this decade at least.
You're also SOL if a plane is crashed into the Eiffel Tower, Big Ben, or whatever your local landmark is. Nukes are useless for states fighting terrorists.
The EU figure is around 1% of GDP by comparison. Neither figure is adequate for wartime. I believe that the day we got hit at Pearl Harbor we were at 3% of GDP.
The EU considers it can get by with 1/3 of minimum peacetime military because it has a security subsidy from the US worth about 2% of their GDP and they get it by being nice and fuzzy and rolling over every time the US needs to do something military in the world. I wonder how long that 2% subsidy is going to last if they continue to pretend full independence like a spoiled brat teenager who wants to stay at home with his parents but without any of their rules?
It would be a useful exercise for EU voters to ask their local legislator what would have to give if their nation's defense budget had to be tripled. The social services carnage would be awesomely horrific I think but you all should check, just to get the real information from your local experts.
Oooh, oooh, that means E. Europe gets even *more* cheap bases beyond the relocated FRG ones.
Hey, mutual delight! I think we have a winner here.
For the US basing out of Kogalniceanu in Constanta means short flight times to the Mid East and the Caucuses. It also would lead to stabilization of a regionally key seam country between the functioning core and the non-integrating gap countries. It works in multiple ways.
In reality the UK bases will stay because the UK is a true ally and not paying lip service as a few other EU powers are.
The EU *is* about everybody getting along as long as the Poles, Romanians, Bulgarians, etc. sit down and shut up when their betters speak, it works just fine and dandy.
Jacques Chirac did more in 30 seconds to expose EU hypocricy than the entire anti-EU movement did in years. An admirable achievement, even more so as it was completely unintentional.
Yes because the MS music store is.... not there. In fact, if you want to use a similar music store on Windows, I hear the iTunes store will be coming to your platform, sometime next year.
I can just imagine Steve Ballmer trying to negotiate content deals with hundreds, eventually thousands of world-wide record labels, each with a monopoly of their own, each able to sidestep his technology, and each with a lot of experience in bruising negotiations over IP rights. Now *those* are meetings I'd like to see.
And yes, I *am* feeding the troll. This particular one is just so funny. B-)
Yes, but is anybody *doing* it? And if they're not, why aren't we seeing the FSF throw a fit just like every other GPL violation they know about?
From the observed fact that people aren't publishing links to their code you can either conclude that nobody is using embedded linux or you're missing something in your interpretation of the GPL.
What I was getting at was different. If you include a custom tuned embedded linux (for example to provide your name brand car mapping service) this interpretation would mean you would have to release the source code of the sealed unit that nobody's ever going to take apart and hack. This is going to be viewed with suspicion in the manufacturing world. I would suspect that if they got the 'full Stallman' on this, they'd either swap to a FreeBSD or go proprietary. In other words, it's a burden even if (as you say correctly) you don't have to distribute your own code. All you need to do is modify the embedded Linux itself. What's the point of having an open source OS if you're not going to muck around with it?
In fact, they purposefully do *not* want you thinking about anything except the car, appliance, etc. as a whole and certainly not something as ancillary as the embedded software used to power the thing. Even if it's just custom compiled kernel code in their embedded linux, it takes away from their sales presentation focus and that is a *bad* thing. Appliance people argue over the inclusion of $0.005 parts, the margins are so thin and the numbers are so large. You're going to saddle them with a $0.20 CD/ROM/sleeve extra cost per unit so they can use 'free software'?
No, this would be a burden on embedded Linux and I am guessing that in the real world, it doesn't work out that way because I've never been notified about access to embedded linux source code in any appliance or cell phone that I've ever gotten.
The great spanish inquisition, a huge stain on the catholic church killed under 1000. If you're just guessing that the religious toll *must* be greater, guess again. The subject is serious enough that it deserves a true count. The total communist toll in one century is 100 million. That's a hell of a number over a very short period of time.
On the side, you're using deists in a non-standard way. What exactly do you mean by it?
By this argument does Ford Motor company have to give you source code for their embedded computers running Linux? If so, that's really going to kick embedded Linux in the teeth if your appliance and motor vehicle vendors also have to become software distributors.
no, no, that means that when we sell guidance systems to Israel with requirements that they get our approval before selling them on, the Israelis are bound to give the source code to the PRC when they next do an illegal technology transfer otherwise next time they're not only going to have to face congressional scrutiny but the wrath of Richard Stallman.
God, I'm looking forward to a ME where Israel isn't the most open and democratic society so they'll get off their US subsidized, pampered butts and fix what ails them.
I believe that there are two factors that differentiate both a space elevator and space resource extraction from your typical IPO. First of all there is the romantic factor. Every SF convention the world over would pass the jar on this one if they could contribute extremely small amounts without losing most of it to processing costs. There are a lot of individuals that confronted with a nice story would drop a few bucks in the jars even though they view themselves as practical men who would anser Heinlein who? if you asked. The 2nd reason is that we've got a serious problem on this planet with security. A nice fellow out at the naval war college has an interesting theory to serve as underlying strategy for the tactical Bush 'go after the terrorists' plan.
There's really only one problem with his core/gap analysis, integrating so many countries into the global system will unleash an incredible bidding war for resources and there simply isn't enough energy available to satisfy everybody. But if they're not satisfied enough with the system they produce the next wave of security crises.
So how do you get 20 terawatts of electricity every year and other resources to match? It's either space or you end up living the Club of Rome's dark fantasies of resource shortages or you give up on ever having a secure US of A and don't shrink/eliminate the Gap.
Do I require a rate of return to avoid global chaos and a horrible world for my children? It would be nice to have a dollars and cents figure eventually but I'll take the soft benefits of no rioting in my town and electricity 24/7 for my descendents if that's all that's on offer.
Human beings of all ideologies can be rotten, brutal, evil and malicious. The relevant comparison in regimes is total deaths and percentage of your own population's death in my opinion. From memory, both figures are held by communism with the Soviets taking the total #s crown at 67 million and Cambodia taking the percentage crown at 1/3 of their own people in a few short years.
By what metric were you judging the deists?
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I understood what he was saying but it makes it no better to argue that naziism was out of the christian tradition. There is a difference in kind between the nazi belief system and the christian belief system. I know that the Church intensively studies the German experience in the 30s to this day. Part of the results of that was a severe tightening of just war theory that we all saw on full display over the Iraq war where bishops played back seat driver to national leadership to an unprecedented extent very much because the German bishops of the time did not play back seat driver enough.
As for the dichotomy between religious and moral, I would suggest that religious leaders are subject matter experts in morals and comprise a large majority of the people on the planet who professionally think about moral matters. The original post on this topic was about taking religious people out of moral supervisory roles regarding scientific experimentation. I don't deny that you *can* have non-religious moral standards, I do think that taking out the majority of professional moralists on the planet will inevitably reduce moral supervision of scientific experimentation which I hope you agree would be a bad thing.