First, I'm not suprised that the only people who seem to be flying off the handle and getting scared about their MAC addresses showing, are those who are not technically knowing. "It's just like that Microsoft DOC thing, show your MAC address! That was bad, so this must be, too!"
This reminds me of the logic in the Coffee RFC ( http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2324.txt ) : "HTCPCP is based on HTTP. This is because HTTP is everywhere. It could not be so pervasive without being good. Therefore, HTTP is good. "
Flawed logic.
On to the technical side:
Since 2^128 is a ludicrously large number, and since we can get by on 2^64 (another ludicrously large number) of IP addresses, they have simply stuck the MAC address in the remaining bits (my interpretation).
Why is this not a problem?
You can always find someone's MAC address if you use an ARP request across an IPv4 network.. Heck, it's how IP works! You need a static address (like the MAC addresses), and you need a logical address (like the IP addresses). There's even a higher abstraction, that of the domain name.
Why is this good?
By including the MAC addresses in the header, you can (hopefully) reduce a bit of router load, make transport of packets easier and more logical from the code side, reduce the incidences of packet spoofing (maybe). This is very different from a "machine fingure print" that is stuck in say an MS Word document. How so? There's no need for a document to have an ID that tracks back to the computer that made it, while there is a very logical reason for network cards to have MAC addresses. Have any of you read the IEEE specs for Ethernet packet transmissions? Yes, MAC addresses have been "visible" for a long time already. It's how network works.
Now, I don't think dialup people will be affected, as they are networked a different way (ie: not via MAC addresses). The same holds true for ATM and ISDN (which use different underlying network designs).
Conclusion:
This is as much a privacy concern, as your own licence plate number is. "Oh, no! They can track where I drive, where I shop, what movies I see, whose houses I visit!!"... Maybe, but you still have a licence plate on your car, and your network cards still have MAC addresses. If it bothers you so much, switch to ARCnet, or use dialup only.
Heh, this reminds me of Red Dwarf. Specifically, the episode where Cat was looking for this one recorded dream of his involving a group of women and a large tub of yogurt. Interesting concept:-) I know I'd love to record my own visual impulses.
This also reminds me of "Cold Lazerous" (I spelt that wrong, oh well). It played on CBC (for us Canucks), and was a Britsh production. In it, they took the frozen head of a man from the 20th century (this was sometime in the future), and watched portions of his life. It was very interesting, and dealt with things like the head (and mind) developing a form of self-awarness.
Of course, what we're all waiting for are the implants that let us see through clothing (infra-red retinas, here I come!)...
""You can disclaim whatever you want," says Emery Simon, counselor to the Business Software Alliance, which includes giants such as Microsoft and IMB."
Methinks they rushed this article a tad quick out the door, or a company named IMB as big as Microsoft or IBM exists -- and I've not heard of it! (shudder)
Gallileo (at least), as well as perhaps another of the probes listed, are not in interstellar space. IIRC, Gallileo was sent to Jupiter to study Jupiter, and has not left Jupiter because it's studying Jupiter. I must emphasize, that Jupiter is not in interstellar space. Jupiter is the 5th planet from the sun, just outside of the asteroid belt.
:-) (Keywords bolded for effect)
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If this was really the work of those crazy fundamentalists, they would've left daemon alone. Daemon is old testament for angel (anti-demon, because of the ae). The Unixen daemons are go betweens between "god" (kernel/System resources) and the user (the greater unwashed;-). I'm aethiest, and I picked this out (hehe).
How can those ZDNet people print such crap? Do they have no one that knows anything?
I'm not sure about the rest of you, but I'm never offline. My home is equiped with a nice CM, Linux firewall (that also hosts IMAP centralised mail, junkbuster/socks proxy, and a few websites), and LAN connected up. Add in X.10 stuff, and you have my happy dream home:-)
This reminds me of the (still active) Win32 -> OS/2 32. Since Win32 API was basically the OS/2 32 bit API (but more 16bit, since MS molested it for its Win16 upgrade woes). I'm sure something like iBCS would work with the OS/2 LX executable format (there was another one for 16-bit OS/2 Exes, I've forgotten it though).
But that was a few mins ago, ages in Internet time;-)
Anyways, it's just an entry form. They randomly select people who have entered to be allowed to participate in the whole "hack" contest. Winner gets SMP (^2) Linux machine (Leeenoooks, not Lynucks). Graphics heavy content on the page, and it renders improperly in Opera:-/
I'm really happy a closed source company like them would at least expose a part of their source to the "greater unwashed" in the hopes of getting some good programming ideas. I'm glad OpenSource is starting to sink in to the commercial sector, it validates some key points:-)
Andover.net expects several thousands of orders to flow in. Offers like, "buy 50 shares of stock, and we send Rob over to your house to tell you today's news" and "buy 100 shares, and we'll let you hit Jon Katz in the face with a cream pie" show that they expect this to be the hottest IPO since Red Hat IPOed in August.
You, too, can now own a piece of the dream!
(This is fake, please don't get the wrong impression;-)
Well, I'm saddened by the blatant troll postings by some of the BSD users. As always, it boils down to, "yay new release. Glad those Linux kiddies aren't awake to flame. They suck. Our daemon would kill that penguin. We rule. Slashdot is only Linux news."
And as always, they're wrong. I like Linux, and I'm curious to try a BSD. I've even contemplated merging some parts of OpenBSD and Slackware. Yet the moment I think that since the OS isn't so bad, the people behind aren't -- they prove me wrong.
"We all know the daemon would kill the penguin."
Sure, just keep flaming away there, buddy. I know you have a chip on your shoulder because the BSD daemon isn't being flashed around, and because there are not BSD word expoes going on. But is it so hard to just contribute something usefull to a discussion of the new release of FreeBSD?
I'm sorry if someone mentioned this earlier, but what about a place like mp3search.lycos.com? Do Lycos execs get hauled to court because they let a person search public FTP sites? What about normal search engines that happen to come upon an MP3 webpage with their automated spiders?
There's a very large amount of psuedo legal wrangling. Does a router that passes along MP3 data that is being copied illegal count as assisting, leading to arrest/prosecution of owner of said router/backbone? This'd certainly harken to the situation in Australia where people are being restricted in their personal freedom.
I'm amazed more people don't realise that freedom to choose == freedom to choose crime, and then try and make it harder to committ crime (by law), when no law will stop a person who wants to.
Here's a little rule of thumb that applies to the VX/TX/HX moboes, and might apply to the PII/Celeron/K6-3, etc.
The amount of ram cacheable is equal to one fourth of the available L2 cache. IE: I have 128mb of ram, which is cached perfectly on my 512k of L2 cache (512 / 4 = 128).
Like Van-ecking? (sp is wrong). These little toys let you "tune in" the image on a monitor, or similar CRT device, all with simple tweaking to match the intended target's Hsync/Vsync, etc (think modeline in XF86Config). It's entirely possible, and I wouldn't be suprised if the NSA had used a similar rig in a van to watch the computer screens of "possible suspects."
Anyways, I'm off to Faraday cage my room now:-) "How harden my eletronics? It's already called hardware!"
``We are still quite far away from a possible conclusion that humans can be overtaken by computers, mainly because computers can not criticize their own ideas,'' Mazursky said. ''However, our evidence suggests that computers can at least aid and support the creative process.''
I'm sure, with a few more focus groups, anything over the IQ of a use tea bag could be more creative than mere "humans." A person is smart, people are not. This is just another affirmation of that:-)
Go to babelfish and translate father from english to German
Digit^H^H^H^H^HCompa^H^H^H^H^HAltvista, Inc log man: "Captain, thousands of requests keep flooding in. All of them just translating one word: father." Altavista, Inc IS manager: "To what language? What is the translated word?" Altvista, Inc log man: "German, sir. The word is, 'Vater.'" Altavista, Inc IS manager: Dear lord. Hit the red button.
Deep beneath the company HQ, klaxons go off in a secret section of the building that does not appear on any blueprints. A lone man is sitting at a console looking at the word 'Vater.' A figure comes up behind him, and asks in a light finnish accent, "what is it?"
"Sir, it's a message from the rebel outpost/., it seems the evil empire has located our current location."
"Damn, and I'd just gotten used to this new building. Digital, Compaq, and now a separate entity for the search engine. How are we going to make this move this quickly without drawing attention?"
"I don't know, sir. Perhaps another Linux World Expo to cover the shift."
"That might just work. Stand by to release that episode 2 of Star Wars movie, just in case. Now get me Maddog, Alan, and that Robot."
As the young rebel turns to execute the orders, Linus mutters to himself, "at least Bill hasn't tried that 'Linus, I am your father' bit."
AFAIK, from reading www.kt.opensrc.org, there is already a patch for this.
" Andrea Arcangeli posted a patch and announced that he and Gerhard Wichert had co-developed the patch to allow nearly 4 gigs of memory on 32-bit systems. A big discussion followed."
You know what the imperial system reminds me of? The various hacks and kludges in the Linux Kernel used to deal with the CMD 640 chipset:-)
It's absolutely horrible. Here's a rundown of metric for you yanks;-) Celcius: 0 -> Water freezes (32 f) 100 -> Water boils (212 f) 21 -> Room temperature (70 f) 10 -> Cold enough you want thick clothing (50 f) 36 -> Human body temperature (96.8 f) 32 -> Saskatoon in Summer (90 f) (this is too hot to me:-) -40 -> Saskatoon in winter (bad days / -40 f) -20 -> Average winder (-4 f)
Of course, 100kph (the standard for highways in Canadia;-) is aprox 62 miles an hour (ack, evil). I'd hate to have to do trip calculations in miles. It'd be like doing time calculations, but worse;-)
Anyways, in Canada, we have a few people who know how to translate from Metric to people-who-live-in-the-US(weird-measurement) "standard," and one "inch" is 2.54 centimetres.
I really hope you people get with the 20th Century, and become metric. I don't know how you can live with 2.27 stone to one nibble, and 5.67 nibbles to one ounce (or ouch, as it's one of those really evil US measurements).
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First, I'm not suprised that the only people who seem to be flying off the handle and getting scared about their MAC addresses showing, are those who are not technically knowing. "It's just like that Microsoft DOC thing, show your MAC address! That was bad, so this must be, too!"
... Maybe, but you still have a licence plate on your car, and your network cards still have MAC addresses. If it bothers you so much, switch to ARCnet, or use dialup only.
This reminds me of the logic in the Coffee RFC ( http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2324.txt ) : "HTCPCP is based on HTTP. This is because HTTP is everywhere. It could not be so pervasive without being good. Therefore, HTTP is good. "
Flawed logic.
On to the technical side:
Since 2^128 is a ludicrously large number, and since we can get by on 2^64 (another ludicrously large number) of IP addresses, they have simply stuck the MAC address in the remaining bits (my interpretation).
Why is this not a problem?
You can always find someone's MAC address if you use an ARP request across an IPv4 network.. Heck, it's how IP works! You need a static address (like the MAC addresses), and you need a logical address (like the IP addresses). There's even a higher abstraction, that of the domain name.
Why is this good?
By including the MAC addresses in the header, you can (hopefully) reduce a bit of router load, make transport of packets easier and more logical from the code side, reduce the incidences of packet spoofing (maybe). This is very different from a "machine fingure print" that is stuck in say an MS Word document. How so? There's no need for a document to have an ID that tracks back to the computer that made it, while there is a very logical reason for network cards to have MAC addresses. Have any of you read the IEEE specs for Ethernet packet transmissions? Yes, MAC addresses have been "visible" for a long time already. It's how network works.
Now, I don't think dialup people will be affected, as they are networked a different way (ie: not via MAC addresses). The same holds true for ATM and ISDN (which use different underlying network designs).
Conclusion:
This is as much a privacy concern, as your own licence plate number is. "Oh, no! They can track where I drive, where I shop, what movies I see, whose houses I visit!!"
Heh, this reminds me of Red Dwarf. Specifically, the episode where Cat was looking for this one recorded dream of his involving a group of women and a large tub of yogurt. Interesting concept :-) I know I'd love to record my own visual impulses.
This also reminds me of "Cold Lazerous" (I spelt that wrong, oh well). It played on CBC (for us Canucks), and was a Britsh production. In it, they took the frozen head of a man from the 20th century (this was sometime in the future), and watched portions of his life. It was very interesting, and dealt with things like the head (and mind) developing a form of self-awarness.
Of course, what we're all waiting for are the implants that let us see through clothing (infra-red retinas, here I come!)...
"(A 64-bit chip processes data in 64 chunks at a time"
Award: most obviously wrong statement about technology in a technology publication.
Intel didn't do pgcc, some guy did.
http://www.goof.com/pcg/
His name is Marc, and I don't think he works at Intel.
""You can disclaim whatever you want," says Emery Simon, counselor to the Business Software Alliance, which includes giants such as Microsoft and IMB."
Methinks they rushed this article a tad quick out the door, or a company named IMB as big as Microsoft or IBM exists -- and I've not heard of it! (shudder)
Gallileo (at least), as well as perhaps another of the probes listed, are not in interstellar space. IIRC, Gallileo was sent to Jupiter to study Jupiter, and has not left Jupiter because it's studying Jupiter. I must emphasize, that Jupiter is not in interstellar space. Jupiter is the 5th planet from the sun, just outside of the asteroid belt.
:-) (Keywords bolded for effect)
If this was really the work of those crazy fundamentalists, they would've left daemon alone. Daemon is old testament for angel (anti-demon, because of the ae). The Unixen daemons are go betweens between "god" (kernel/System resources) and the user (the greater unwashed ;-). I'm aethiest, and I picked this out (hehe).
How can those ZDNet people print such crap? Do they have no one that knows anything?
I'm not sure about the rest of you, but I'm never offline. My home is equiped with a nice CM, Linux firewall (that also hosts IMAP centralised mail, junkbuster/socks proxy, and a few websites), and LAN connected up. Add in X.10 stuff, and you have my happy dream home :-)
Well, this explains the Nolton Nash reference :-) ;-)
Now, I doubt she's in Saskatchewan (know on wood).
But then, I'm willing to move
Disclaimer: This is harmless flirtation/hero worship.
This reminds me of the (still active) Win32 -> OS/2 32. Since Win32 API was basically the OS/2 32 bit API (but more 16bit, since MS molested it for its Win16 upgrade woes). I'm sure something like iBCS would work with the OS/2 LX executable format (there was another one for 16-bit OS/2 Exes, I've forgotten it though).
"OS/2 is not a viable business model" :-) "Linux is not a good car" :-P
OS/2 is not a business model!
It's a damned operating system!!!
But that was a few mins ago, ages in Internet time ;-)
:-/
Anyways, it's just an entry form. They randomly select people who have entered to be allowed to participate in the whole "hack" contest. Winner gets SMP (^2) Linux machine (Leeenoooks, not Lynucks). Graphics heavy content on the page, and it renders improperly in Opera
I'm really happy a closed source company like them would at least expose a part of their source to the "greater unwashed" in the hopes of getting some good programming ideas. I'm glad OpenSource is starting to sink in to the commercial sector, it validates some key points :-)
.... is Nitrozac the coolest thing since fraction T1s?
I swear, I felt *jealous* when it was Bill G under those leather shoes, and not myself.
:-) But then, I'm just your average closet geek who is hormonely gifted.. Besides, I doubt she lives in Canada (arg).
Yes, slashstock.org has opened to the public.
;-)
Andover.net expects several thousands of orders to flow in. Offers like, "buy 50 shares of stock, and we send Rob over to your house to tell you today's news" and "buy 100 shares, and we'll let you hit Jon Katz in the face with a cream pie" show that they expect this to be the hottest IPO since Red Hat IPOed in August.
You, too, can now own a piece of the dream!
(This is fake, please don't get the wrong impression
Well, I'm saddened by the blatant troll postings by some of the BSD users. As always, it boils down to, "yay new release. Glad those Linux kiddies aren't awake to flame. They suck. Our daemon would kill that penguin. We rule. Slashdot is only Linux news."
And as always, they're wrong. I like Linux, and I'm curious to try a BSD. I've even contemplated merging some parts of OpenBSD and Slackware. Yet the moment I think that since the OS isn't so bad, the people behind aren't -- they prove me wrong.
"We all know the daemon would kill the penguin."
Sure, just keep flaming away there, buddy. I know you have a chip on your shoulder because the BSD daemon isn't being flashed around, and because there are not BSD word expoes going on. But is it so hard to just contribute something usefull to a discussion of the new release of FreeBSD?
I guess so. And that's sad.
I'm sorry if someone mentioned this earlier, but what about a place like mp3search.lycos.com? Do Lycos execs get hauled to court because they let a person search public FTP sites? What about normal search engines that happen to come upon an MP3 webpage with their automated spiders?
There's a very large amount of psuedo legal wrangling. Does a router that passes along MP3 data that is being copied illegal count as assisting, leading to arrest/prosecution of owner of said router/backbone? This'd certainly harken to the situation in Australia where people are being restricted in their personal freedom.
I'm amazed more people don't realise that freedom to choose == freedom to choose crime, and then try and make it harder to committ crime (by law), when no law will stop a person who wants to.
Here's a little rule of thumb that applies to the VX/TX/HX moboes, and might apply to the PII/Celeron/K6-3, etc.
The amount of ram cacheable is equal to one fourth of the available L2 cache. IE: I have 128mb of ram, which is cached perfectly on my 512k of L2 cache (512 / 4 = 128).
:-)
"Did anyone try to access the web server and see what was open (if not exactly what happened)? "
;-)
Netcat+telnet experiments would be nice.
"What about the two "NetBus" ports? Is there a version of NetBus for WinCE (or whatever Dreamcast runs) that I don't know about?"
No, when Nmap says it's filtered, it means it's a connection denied thing (ie: no open port). 100061 on Win32
I'm wondering WTH is on port 179, and why there's a Netbios/WINS server port open on the damned thing.
Like Van-ecking? (sp is wrong). These little toys let you "tune in" the image on a monitor, or similar CRT device, all with simple tweaking to match the intended target's Hsync/Vsync, etc (think modeline in XF86Config). It's entirely possible, and I wouldn't be suprised if the NSA had used a similar rig in a van to watch the computer screens of "possible suspects."
:-)
Anyways, I'm off to Faraday cage my room now
"How harden my eletronics? It's already called hardware!"
``We are still quite far away from a possible conclusion that humans can be overtaken by computers, mainly because computers can not criticize their own ideas,'' Mazursky said. ''However, our evidence suggests that computers can at least aid and support the creative process.''
:-)
I'm sure, with a few more focus groups, anything over the IQ of a use tea bag could be more creative than mere "humans." A person is smart, people are not. This is just another affirmation of that
Go to babelfish and translate father from english to German
/., it seems the evil empire has located our current location."
Digit^H^H^H^H^HCompa^H^H^H^H^HAltvista, Inc log man: "Captain, thousands of requests keep flooding in. All of them just translating one word: father."
Altavista, Inc IS manager: "To what language? What is the translated word?"
Altvista, Inc log man: "German, sir. The word is, 'Vater.'"
Altavista, Inc IS manager: Dear lord. Hit the red button.
Deep beneath the company HQ, klaxons go off in a secret section of the building that does not appear on any blueprints. A lone man is sitting at a console looking at the word 'Vater.' A figure comes up behind him, and asks in a light finnish accent, "what is it?"
"Sir, it's a message from the rebel outpost
"Damn, and I'd just gotten used to this new building. Digital, Compaq, and now a separate entity for the search engine. How are we going to make this move this quickly without drawing attention?"
"I don't know, sir. Perhaps another Linux World Expo to cover the shift."
"That might just work. Stand by to release that episode 2 of Star Wars movie, just in case. Now get me Maddog, Alan, and that Robot."
As the young rebel turns to execute the orders, Linus mutters to himself, "at least Bill hasn't tried that 'Linus, I am your father' bit."
AFAIK, from reading www.kt.opensrc.org, there is already a patch for this.
" Andrea Arcangeli posted a patch and announced that he and Gerhard Wichert had co-developed the patch to allow nearly 4 gigs of memory on 32-bit systems. A big discussion followed."
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You know what the imperial system reminds me of? The various hacks and kludges in the Linux Kernel used to deal with the CMD 640 chipset :-)
;-) :-)
;-) is aprox 62 miles an hour (ack, evil). I'd hate to have to do trip calculations in miles. It'd be like doing time calculations, but worse ;-)
It's absolutely horrible.
Here's a rundown of metric for you yanks
Celcius:
0 -> Water freezes (32 f)
100 -> Water boils (212 f)
21 -> Room temperature (70 f)
10 -> Cold enough you want thick clothing (50 f)
36 -> Human body temperature (96.8 f)
32 -> Saskatoon in Summer (90 f) (this is too hot to me
-40 -> Saskatoon in winter (bad days / -40 f)
-20 -> Average winder (-4 f)
Of course, 100kph (the standard for highways in Canadia
What on earth is reading a comment reply?
Anyways, in Canada, we have a few people who know how to translate from Metric to people-who-live-in-the-US(weird-measurement) "standard," and one "inch" is 2.54 centimetres.
I really hope you people get with the 20th Century, and become metric. I don't know how you can live with 2.27 stone to one nibble, and 5.67 nibbles to one ounce (or ouch, as it's one of those really evil US measurements).
;-) (Tongue firmly in cheek here)