So you think marijuana should be illegal for the same reasons I assume? Whatever the state deems in a persons best interest should be law, right?
Alcohol is legal, yet giving your underage kids a bottle of booze is going to land you in prison, because it has a good chance to land them in an emergency room or an early grave.
For that reason, people should be left to live their lives however they want.
Problem is, it's not their lives the anti-vaccers are endangering.
The tone of any government action should be one of preventing their un-vaccinated kids from infecting your children
My children aren't any more or less human than your children, or me and you for that matter. Your rights as a parent are derived from their rights as human beings and citizens combined with their need for guardianship, and thus can't trump those.
In other words, it's not about you or me or our rights, it's about the children and their rights.
Isn't the public immunized? What danger does a non vaccinated family pose?
Microbes evolve, just like all other living things. A larger non-vaccinated population means a larger microbe population, which gives them more chances to develop trough random mutation a trait that lets them slip past vaccination.
Basically, unvaccinated people are weak points in society's defences. If there's enough of them for a disease to keep circulating, it has effectively established a beachhead.
the prison camp will be paying big time for the DR bill at a cost that is even higher then the ER.
Drones are spit out from automated production lines from materials output by automated mines and hauled by automated trucks, and broken drones are carried by trash-picking drones to automated disposal facilities. Medicine is practiced by surgical machines and expert systems. Engineering is carried out by expert systems and development of better machines by genetic algorithms.
And then the courts will be tied up with cases as well. Don't for get you have the right to trail by jury and the right to wave a speedy trail.
I don't, however, have a right to income. I merely have a right to try to earn one. So if I can't compete on cost-effectiveness with ever-improving disposable machines, I obey whatever conditions the nobility sees fit, otherwise I don't eat. After all, every resource and every square inch of land I might use to feed myself belongs to someone and is guarded by security bots.
In a world where human labour is no longer needed, either everyone is entitled to a guaranteed standard of living as a handout, or most people are slaves.
It's always interesting seeing the Luddites using a technology that didn't exist 50 years ago to natter about how some new technology is going to destroy civilization.
The difference between Ludd's time and now is that back then the ruling class didn't have automated labour, so they couldn't simply kill off all the working poor. Now they can.
and 250B in lockup or 150B in UBI to cover the job losses.
"allow security companies to better monitor their sites"
Nobility lives in the lap of automated luxury and you and me live in an automated prison camp until they decide to terminate us. After all, we aren't humans, we are human resources, and those are no longer needed. Just look at how much resentment social security is currently getting.
I wonder if that's the Great Filter: not war but simply the logic of industrial capitalism taken to its conclusion.
No, it's how the world works. You cannot just consume and hope nobody cares you're not paying for a product such as music or movies.
There's a difference between watching a movie and running a movie theater which competes with the producers of the film. A rather important difference, one might say.
The US up until FDR qualifies, in my not so humble opinion.
Frontier-period US may or may not qualify as "succesful", but until we'll start colonizing space we won't have another Frontier. It did, however, have its local governments treat their subjects as literal slaves which only stopped when the federal government got big enough to force them to stop.
You are begging the question yourself... Are they "successful"?
For example, they can not defend themselves from Russia - not without NATO (American) help...
Finland, Sweden and Norway have a combined population of about 17 million citizens, while Russia has 140, or about 8 times as much. What odds should a country be able to fight off to be considered succesful in your book?
Also, the page you linked to talks about a decision to increase defence spending, so I dunno why you think it backs your argument.
... That's seriously the only reason I can think of why someone would think that putting technology into an oversight role over humanity is a good thing.
The obvious solution going by sci-fi is to have the Jedi Council rule.
But seriously, government jobs won't be replaced because they're not jobs but positions of power. And if they were replaced, what would it matter? Whatever your reasons for disliking "big government" might be, I very much doubt they'll be helped by having it staffed with literally soulless and brainless bureaucrats.
I'm honestly a bit confused how people don't see this. Did they not see T2 growing up? Did they not watch any dystopian 70's sci-fi? Have they never heard of The Twilight Zone and its continual reminders about how hubris catches up with people? What is it?
Maybe they just can tell the difference between fantasy and reality, and it's starting to sink in that making political decisions based on the former has undesirable consequences in the latter?
I realize that you are probably associated with these guys and want to hype it up, but I will tell you this: if they had such a method to do this they wouldn't tell everyone about it. They would be making trillions in gambling and the stock market and wouldn't be looking for VC funding.
If you make trillions in gambling, on stock market or anywhere else, you'll attract lots of unwanted attention and likely disappear. Anything that gives you that much advantage makes you a threat to the system itself, so anyone with a stake in it will want you gone. Seeking VC funding is a way of cashing out without getting killed.
Also, how do you propose utilizing a swarm-based anything without gathering a swarm?
Stop the hype.
They can't. People are going to flock to any even remotely plausible-sounding get-rich-quick scheme out of sheer desperation. One might wonder what it tells about the system that everyone's dearest dream is getting free from it, but that would make one a communist (which is bad), or at least that's what Americans have been indoctrinated to believe for the past century or so.
The problem will solve itself either through misery breaking the indoctrination, technological progress making capital as a productive asset irrelevant, or continued wealth concentration draining public's buying power to the point where it can't keep economy going anymore. The last one is currently happening, but I suppose it's still possible a random event might trigger one the first two before the point of no return is reached.
There is no such thing as digital, unless you are talking about quantum mechanics. All digital phones, even digital computers, are fundamentally analog systems. Digital means that you ignore all signal level below a threshold. Something like -55dB/decade.
That is untrue. The signal is digital; it's simply encoded in an analog medium.
If I call your mother fat, what is the actual message: the air pressure plotted against time, amplitude of air vibrations plotted against frequency domain, the idea that your matrilinear direct ancestor has excess adipose tissue, or that I hate you?
Every cell is full of proteins which control cell death, proliferation, stasis, and other critical functions.
Every cell also experiences several K of temperature variance every day as a natural part of human circadian rythm. Cells near the edge of the body, especially at extremities like ears, are of course subjects to far greater and more frequent variance.
Your cell phone simply doesn't have the power output to matter. It's a rounding error on natural causes.
But at an individual level, can prolonged exposure to microwave radiation cause cancers? Absolutely, though the chances are small.
Better declare warm baths and hot meals carcinogenic too, then. They both heat your tissues far more effectively than your phone can.
I know it's fashionable to be scared of everything, but this is ridiculous.
The only way to get the economy working again is put money into the hands of Joe Hobo and Jane Welfare Queen, since they'll spend it, which becomes credit on some factory's balance sheet
That's the hypothesis, right?
No, "you can't buy if you don't have money" is not a hypothesis. Nor is "you can't sell if no one can buy".
Based on that hypothesis, Bush, then Obama (and earlier Carter) gave money to normal Americans to stimulate the economy.
No, they didn't. They gave money to "job creators" who promptly hoarded it away because there's no point in investing if no one is buying due to lack of funds.
Unfortunately, in each of those cases, the money didn't have a strong stimulating effect on the economy.
It's "unfortunate" in the same sense that water flowing towards the sea is "unfortunate". It's just the way the dynamics of the system work. And to keep it working, you have to have some mechanism to redistribute money/water back to the economy/hydrosphere at large. It's that redistribution mechanism that is breaking, and causing the whole system to halt.
So it is likely the economy is more complicated than just "supply side stimulus" or "demand side stimulus;" and it probably involves many factors.
A heart attack likely has multiple contributing factors, but it's the fact that your heart is no longer pumping blood that requires immediate attention.
A solar-powered direct replacement for something like a Boeing 747 is impossible, period. Incremental technological development cannot get us from here to there.
A battery-powered direct replacement, however, is possible. It simply requires a battery chemistry that can match jet fuel for energy density. There's nothing impossible in that; your own cells accumulate electric charge as an intermediate step in the process of "burning" your food, and plant cells can run the process in reverse (photosynthesis).
Or if all else fails, just develop jet engines that run on biofuel and run the farming equipment on batteries.
There are a number of perfectly legal and non tax related reasons for hiding business activity from competitors or parasitic 'investors'.
And there are a number of perfectly legal and non murder related reasons why you might be sneaking behind someone with a knife and a Scream mask.
Prove on a case by case basis that these people were cheating on taxes before trying them in the court of public opinion.
Ah yes, the good old "delay until public's attention is diverted" -tactic. The court of public opinion isn't a criminal court. It's a civil one, and operates on preponderance of evidence.
An offshore tax haven doesn't mean the money stays in a hole in the ground.....as soon as money is invested, velocity is increased.
It's irrational to build a brewery if Joe Hobo doesn't have the money to buy the products. As I've said before: if people don't have income, you don't have customers. So the money stays hoarded safely away, and money velocity reflects this by falling.
The only way to get the economy working again is put money into the hands of Joe Hobo and Jane Welfare Queen, since they'll spend it, which becomes credit on some factory's balance sheet, which means Joe Employee gets paid and Joe Manager starts considering expanding production. On the other hand, making such an investment when Joe and Jane don't have money to buy your products means you're paying to have them take up shelf space somewhere, which in turn means you'll go bankrupt.
Basically, we can get an economic boom at the cost of watching even undeserving people get fat on table scraps, or we can continue resenting them for "handouts" and watch our world crumble. Prosperity or disaster for all. What automation really means is that the middle ground - prosperity for some and disaster for others - is going away for ever, and frankly, good riddance.
So be it, but if the business owners want anybody to be able to buy the things their fully automated businesses produce, we will need some other way for the rest of the population to earn a living.
Do they want that? If they don't need Joe Average to produce stuff or provide services for them, wouldn't a typical CEO be happy to have Joe starve to death or be gunned down by security drones?
We've created a system where the most ruthless rise to the top, and are now making ourselves redundant for that system - and thus their power. We've created the inhuman engine of destruction we've been fearing for decades, and indeed computers made it possible - but it's the hand of the worst of us which signs the death warrant of humanity.
Me, I'd already be happy if they sit on their ass in front of the TV stuffing their fat gut with more potatoe chips instead of ramming a knife into my belly for the 20 bucks in my wallet.
But that puts you in the minority. Most people would rather pay $30k a year to put them into Crime College. They don't deserve those potato chips according to some arbitrary criteria, after all.
In other words, trickle down is bullshit and thus any economic stimulus based on it can only succeed through accident. You need to get the money in the hands of your local hobo, because he'll carry it straight to the local liqueur store which can thus pay its employees and suppliers, not hoard it in offshore tax havens.
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Alcohol is legal, yet giving your underage kids a bottle of booze is going to land you in prison, because it has a good chance to land them in an emergency room or an early grave.
Problem is, it's not their lives the anti-vaccers are endangering.
My children aren't any more or less human than your children, or me and you for that matter. Your rights as a parent are derived from their rights as human beings and citizens combined with their need for guardianship, and thus can't trump those.
In other words, it's not about you or me or our rights, it's about the children and their rights.
Microbes evolve, just like all other living things. A larger non-vaccinated population means a larger microbe population, which gives them more chances to develop trough random mutation a trait that lets them slip past vaccination.
Basically, unvaccinated people are weak points in society's defences. If there's enough of them for a disease to keep circulating, it has effectively established a beachhead.
And if you're the one they need to be defended from?
"Just because you're a genius doesn't mean you're a smart guy."
More to the point, being intelligent and informed doesn't mean you can't also be delusional.
Drones are spit out from automated production lines from materials output by automated mines and hauled by automated trucks, and broken drones are carried by trash-picking drones to automated disposal facilities. Medicine is practiced by surgical machines and expert systems. Engineering is carried out by expert systems and development of better machines by genetic algorithms.
I don't, however, have a right to income. I merely have a right to try to earn one. So if I can't compete on cost-effectiveness with ever-improving disposable machines, I obey whatever conditions the nobility sees fit, otherwise I don't eat. After all, every resource and every square inch of land I might use to feed myself belongs to someone and is guarded by security bots.
In a world where human labour is no longer needed, either everyone is entitled to a guaranteed standard of living as a handout, or most people are slaves.
Do you know many parties who's sole agenda is that we shouldn't have to all hit ourselves on the groin with a baseball bat every morning?
The difference between Ludd's time and now is that back then the ruling class didn't have automated labour, so they couldn't simply kill off all the working poor. Now they can.
"allow security companies to better monitor their sites"
Nobility lives in the lap of automated luxury and you and me live in an automated prison camp until they decide to terminate us. After all, we aren't humans, we are human resources, and those are no longer needed. Just look at how much resentment social security is currently getting.
I wonder if that's the Great Filter: not war but simply the logic of industrial capitalism taken to its conclusion.
A company with a billion dollars of valuation and a product that's another company's repainted product is a scam, plain and simple. Good riddance.
There's a difference between watching a movie and running a movie theater which competes with the producers of the film. A rather important difference, one might say.
Frontier-period US may or may not qualify as "succesful", but until we'll start colonizing space we won't have another Frontier. It did, however, have its local governments treat their subjects as literal slaves which only stopped when the federal government got big enough to force them to stop.
Finland, Sweden and Norway have a combined population of about 17 million citizens, while Russia has 140, or about 8 times as much. What odds should a country be able to fight off to be considered succesful in your book?
Also, the page you linked to talks about a decision to increase defence spending, so I dunno why you think it backs your argument.
The obvious solution going by sci-fi is to have the Jedi Council rule.
But seriously, government jobs won't be replaced because they're not jobs but positions of power. And if they were replaced, what would it matter? Whatever your reasons for disliking "big government" might be, I very much doubt they'll be helped by having it staffed with literally soulless and brainless bureaucrats.
Maybe they just can tell the difference between fantasy and reality, and it's starting to sink in that making political decisions based on the former has undesirable consequences in the latter?
If you make trillions in gambling, on stock market or anywhere else, you'll attract lots of unwanted attention and likely disappear. Anything that gives you that much advantage makes you a threat to the system itself, so anyone with a stake in it will want you gone. Seeking VC funding is a way of cashing out without getting killed.
Also, how do you propose utilizing a swarm-based anything without gathering a swarm?
They can't. People are going to flock to any even remotely plausible-sounding get-rich-quick scheme out of sheer desperation. One might wonder what it tells about the system that everyone's dearest dream is getting free from it, but that would make one a communist (which is bad), or at least that's what Americans have been indoctrinated to believe for the past century or so.
The problem will solve itself either through misery breaking the indoctrination, technological progress making capital as a productive asset irrelevant, or continued wealth concentration draining public's buying power to the point where it can't keep economy going anymore. The last one is currently happening, but I suppose it's still possible a random event might trigger one the first two before the point of no return is reached.
That is untrue. The signal is digital; it's simply encoded in an analog medium.
If I call your mother fat, what is the actual message: the air pressure plotted against time, amplitude of air vibrations plotted against frequency domain, the idea that your matrilinear direct ancestor has excess adipose tissue, or that I hate you?
Every cell also experiences several K of temperature variance every day as a natural part of human circadian rythm. Cells near the edge of the body, especially at extremities like ears, are of course subjects to far greater and more frequent variance.
Your cell phone simply doesn't have the power output to matter. It's a rounding error on natural causes.
Better declare warm baths and hot meals carcinogenic too, then. They both heat your tissues far more effectively than your phone can.
I know it's fashionable to be scared of everything, but this is ridiculous.
A battery-powered direct replacement, however, is possible. It simply requires a battery chemistry that can match jet fuel for energy density. There's nothing impossible in that; your own cells accumulate electric charge as an intermediate step in the process of "burning" your food, and plant cells can run the process in reverse (photosynthesis).
Or if all else fails, just develop jet engines that run on biofuel and run the farming equipment on batteries.
And there are a number of perfectly legal and non murder related reasons why you might be sneaking behind someone with a knife and a Scream mask.
Ah yes, the good old "delay until public's attention is diverted" -tactic. The court of public opinion isn't a criminal court. It's a civil one, and operates on preponderance of evidence.
It's irrational to build a brewery if Joe Hobo doesn't have the money to buy the products. As I've said before: if people don't have income, you don't have customers. So the money stays hoarded safely away, and money velocity reflects this by falling.
The only way to get the economy working again is put money into the hands of Joe Hobo and Jane Welfare Queen, since they'll spend it, which becomes credit on some factory's balance sheet, which means Joe Employee gets paid and Joe Manager starts considering expanding production. On the other hand, making such an investment when Joe and Jane don't have money to buy your products means you're paying to have them take up shelf space somewhere, which in turn means you'll go bankrupt.
Basically, we can get an economic boom at the cost of watching even undeserving people get fat on table scraps, or we can continue resenting them for "handouts" and watch our world crumble. Prosperity or disaster for all. What automation really means is that the middle ground - prosperity for some and disaster for others - is going away for ever, and frankly, good riddance.
But I'm sure there would be a bad side, too.
Do they want that? If they don't need Joe Average to produce stuff or provide services for them, wouldn't a typical CEO be happy to have Joe starve to death or be gunned down by security drones?
We've created a system where the most ruthless rise to the top, and are now making ourselves redundant for that system - and thus their power. We've created the inhuman engine of destruction we've been fearing for decades, and indeed computers made it possible - but it's the hand of the worst of us which signs the death warrant of humanity.
But that puts you in the minority. Most people would rather pay $30k a year to put them into Crime College. They don't deserve those potato chips according to some arbitrary criteria, after all.
Judging by that specific example... yes.
Money velocity = "the number of times one unit of money is spent to buy goods and services per unit of time." If you increase the amount of units of money in existence, but the amount that gets spent to buy goods and services stays the same, then average money velocity falls.
In other words, trickle down is bullshit and thus any economic stimulus based on it can only succeed through accident. You need to get the money in the hands of your local hobo, because he'll carry it straight to the local liqueur store which can thus pay its employees and suppliers, not hoard it in offshore tax havens.