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'Technology Will Replace the Need For Big Government' (vice.com)
New submitter axlash writes: There's a lot of dissatisfaction with governments today, as can be seen by the rise of left-wing parties in Europe, to the rise of non-mainstream political candidates in America. Well, here's a thought -- with all the talk of technology replacing jobs, why not have it replace governments, too? The speculates about how "in the near future, the government might dramatically shrink -- not because of demands by fiscally astute Americans, but because of radical technology." It goes on: "Even the US President could one day be replaced, which -- strangely enough -- might bring sanity to our election process." The main thrust of the article is essentially about how government jobs will be replaced with technology, although it doesn't say much about whether there'll be technology administering this technology.
This story has been done before, and much better:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franchise_%28short_story%29
Who knows? Maybe a Buttle will be in our future yet...
... That's seriously the only reason I can think of why someone would think that putting technology into an oversight role over humanity is a good thing.
A generation raised on YouTube and Google algorithms and that doesn't seem to value freedom of expression or thought also doesn't understand why humans, process, and procedural protections are necessary. In turn, that makes things less efficient than they theoretically could be, but a technocratic Orwellian state as envisioned by dipshit solutionists will eventually come to the conclusion that life would be a lot more efficient if you just get rid of humans altogether.
I'm honestly a bit confused how people don't see this. Did they not see T2 growing up? Did they not watch any dystopian 70's sci-fi? Have they never heard of The Twilight Zone and its continual reminders about how hubris catches up with people? What is it?
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Isaac Asimov already wrote about this 60 years ago. Read The Franchise.
So machines will track and punish every single thing we do? Lovely. Sounds soo much less intrusive that way.
The only technology that I can think of that could replace government is an AI, and I don't think government is so bad that it should be replaced with an AI overlord once that tech is developed.
I've seen that one.
Big government spends so much time fighting with itself that not much gets done. A smaller more efficient government will screw the people a lot faster.
Do you really think the Government will permit this?
No, they won't.
In the USA, the Federal Government is too big to permit any competition.
In the USA, many State Governments are too big to permit any competition.
Every thing that competes with the Government loses. Look at Microsoft's surrender to the USA Federal Government when M$ reached its zenith and became a threat to the Feds. Zap! M$ lost the battles and now pay homage to the USA Government.
I think the best outcome would be if we actually got what we voted for. Right now it's a crap-shoot on whether the candidate we vote into office will actually do any of what they campaigned for in their platform. Or, as the current political climate is showing, will even do their jobs. Not sure how this would all work out but I'd love to see it on a small scale.
I'll give you my power when you pry it from my cold, dead hands.
Sincerely, a concerned Government Bureaucrat.
When they try to implement these solutions, the project will escalate out of control and lead to cancellation due to costly project overruns. That is what happens now, I don't see it changing in the future.
It is government. You won't be able to pry one job from their bloody little hands.
Can I write the software? Oh you forgot about that little detail, eh? I guess you'll insist on it being open course, of course. Sure, nobody could every fool you if you could see the source code.
There is no way for this to be trustworthy. The system must be both comprehensible *and verifiable* by the vast majority of citizens. That means less technology. The future lies in simpler laws and rules. That's supposed to be the big draw of a minimum income - significantly reduce the complexity of government by making the rules extremely simple: everyone gets $X stipend. No welfare, old age pension, foodstamps, etc.
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Not deleting stuff would be nice.
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Reading the article, I would have to say it’s naive and willfully ignorant. The author makes claims that by reducing big government (ie. Eliminating staff) cost savings will reduce the deficit to the point of providing universal basic income. Anyone who’s spent more than 5 seconds looking at the debt knows the biggest contributors to the national debt are entitlements - which has zero to do with the number of government employees.
There's a lot of dissatisfaction with governments today, as can be seen by the rise of left-wing parties in Europe,
Did you mean "as can be seen by the rise of right-wing parties in Europe"? Computerization of the government was a goal in the Soviet Union at one point. SAP consultants are surely already gleaming of the though of selling national ERP systems to centrally manage whole countries at a time in really big computer systems. Really Big Systems.
...if the government's true constituency, those that paid to get their people into office and their agenda carried forward through legislature and regulation, see profit in the move. If they do, you can bank on it happening. Sadly, that equation has little to do with "The People".
This implies, there ever was a real need for Big Government in the first place...
There sure were problems, which the government solved, however, (quite) arguably, these solutions introduced worse problems of their own...
Libertarians continue to argue — with show of reason — that government's role ought to be confined to keeping the enemies away without and crime at bay within the borders...
In Soviet Washington the swamp drains you.
It is my belief that technology improves the capability to centralize government operations. That's one reason you have states tending towards top down centralization today. It is now possible to run more things from the national capital than ever before.
Centralization has benefits that are quite considerable... if they are used for good. The problem with big government is that the characteristics of a large bureaucracy make the government itself into its own constituency. Look at US legislators. They're completely out of step with a lot of their voters, on both sides. How could that happen? It's way too easy to manage things from the capital.
Will direct democracy and other things become more prevalent with more technology? Quite possibly. However, while I've always stated that democracy is a very good method of generating legitimacy for a particular government, it's really shitty at determining the truth for questions that have anything but the simplest answers.
A lot of progressive types today take great comfort in the belief that they have the majority opinion on their side. However, would they still consider themselves correct if they were a minority? They certainly would. Therefore, having everyone on your side is convenient, but doesn't necessarily improve the value of your proposition. A direct democracy without experts mediating the effects could generate some very popular, and very disastrous policies.
As for technology in general managing things. Garbage in, garbage out. If you start with a flawed premise, your technology will find the best possible means of achieving your flawed goals and screwing you over. I am interested in how technology can help us in the future, but in the end, I think the real determination of whether a future is utopia or dystopia will be determined by the moral and ethical decisions that we generate the starting goals and premises from which the technology will implement a solution.
There seems to be a fundamental misconception behind this story: namely that 'big' refers to number of employees; rather than size of role.
It's obvious to the point of trivial that certain technological advances will reduce the number of people required to do a given job; but that doesn't change whether or not the job is considered to be within the state's mandate or whether it is a private sector matter.
That's what size-of-government fights are really about(sure, there's some skirmishing about shrinking or expanding specific workforces to either save money or address a perceived deficiency in service): "What should the government do? What should it not do? What is acceptable to contract out? What is best handled internally?"
Given that technology has tended to result in labor savings, I'd certainly expect a lower headcount in government in the future; but that's irrelevant to whether it is 'big' or not. Running a welfare state, say, would probably be more efficient if you could just have a single AI do it; but it'd be just as much a 'big government' proposal, just one with fewer people pushing paper around.
Government is not mainly technology and will not be replaced by technology.
There's never been a need for "Big Government",
and we all know that technology has outpaced our obese overlords.
Have you ever fallen asleep at the keybhanusdiog?
Yeah. The ironic thing is, his headline point is still correct: If we get to the point where basic goods can be 3-d printed cheaply and medical care is also cheap, then all those things that contribute to big government kind of go away.
If you consider sufficiently advanced technology, then the headline "Technology Will Replace the need for X" will (eventually) be true for all values of X, or at least, will not be provably untrue.
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"You will say you lose your freedom. Freedom is an illusion. All you lose is the emotion of pride. To be dominated by me is not as bad for humankind as to be dominated by others of your species. Your choice is simple."
It doesn't seem to me as if they enjoy their jobs.
Wouldn't they want a solution that frees them from utter mundaneness? Or is there something else going on here?
Someone hasn't been paying attention. The *right wing* is on the rise in Europe, and it has nothing to do with the size of the government and everything to do with nationalism and cultural fears (thats a nice way of saying racism).
Living in Belgium, I don't know anyone who complains about the size of the government. In fact, I think the common idea between the young I work with and the old in my family is that the government isn't doing enough about [roads|infrastructure|global warming|etc]. Doing more means a larger government.
Most people have seen the inside of some government offices and they do not impress one with the concept of efficiency, when the piles of papers are seen.
We are a good 30 years into the small computer revolution and it is time for routine tasks to be taken over by AI programs, leaving minimal staff to take care of the "exceptions", "errors" and "omissions."
The number of Jobs depends on work that needs to be done, not the current work that is being done. For that reason, more tech simply means we expand the work that needs to be done (1,000 years ago, we didn't think anyone had to offer mortgages, do title searches, etc. etc.)
Similarly, just as the definition of 'work that needs to be done' expands as we use technology to reduce the man hours to do the work, so does "government work that needs to be done".
Every time we automate/outsource away a government job, two new ones will be created.
These are not 'make work jobs', they were always important, we simply couldn't afford to do them previously. Now we can.
Here are a list of government jobs that I already know we need to do, but aren't really doing.
Regulation checking. Not creating new regulations, merely checking on polluters, child care facilities, senior citizens care facilities, prisons, etc. etc. to make sure they follow existing regulations. In almost all of those cases we pass regulations, then watch as half the people ignore the regulations (until they get caught). We could actually CHECK and enforce the existing regulations.
Innocence review. We KNOW (DNA testing) there are lots of innocent people in jail. Whether due to incompetence, malfeasance, or simply bad luck, there are innocent people that end up in jail. Most jurisdictions make no attempt to double check convictions (with a few notable exceptions, Texas and New York each have at least one county where they check.) This could change.
Anti-police corruption. Most cities have almost no effect means of investigating corrupt cops. Studies show that about 4% of cops are corrupt. In the US, during 2015, there were 12,000 people killed by the cops. Not a single cop was convicted. Not one. At 4%, even if those 12,000 cops were innocent of murder, at least 560 were guilty of SOMETHING (and I bet that the percent of bad cops that killed someone is a lot higher than the general number of 4%). We could have a prosecutor whose sole job is to prosecute criminal cops. No convictions = fired for failing to do your job, because there has to be at LEAST one dirty cop in the country.
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The author has a terminal case of Star Trekitis. He assumes since we can make a fireproof building, we don't need firefighters. We won't need police because the Internet of Things can monitor everything.
He's never met Murphy. It isn't at all clear that he even understands how to turn his TV off.
Nothing to see here, move along.
Faster! Faster! Faster would be better!
An increasing number of jobs can be replaced by robots.
Eventually everyone is out of work.
I sometimes lurk in a forum which has degenerated into a Tea Party session where they tell each other that the best thing to do is to save taxes by getting rid of most government jobs, I saw that the current target was the Department of Education a few days back.
What comes next? Butlerian Jihad? An army is a necessity because the excluded are going to revolt at some point.
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Classic old Gordon Dickson story... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
Leftists are getting tossed for anyone who will stand up to the leftist multiculturalism that leads to things like One dead as man shouting 'Allahu Akbar' attacks four at train station in Grafing, Germany
Because in the face of someone shouting "Allahu Akbar" as he murders someone with a knife, leftists spout whacked shit like No evidence of Islamist motive in Munich attack:
Witnesses said the assailant, a 27-year-old man, shouted "Allahu Akbar" ('God is Greatest' in Arabic), according to police in initial reports.
However, the regional ministry said there was no evidence yet of an Islamist motive in the attack.
Dolts like that NEED to be tossed.
"There's a lot of dissatisfaction with governments today, as can be seen by the rise of left-wing parties in Europe"
From what I know of politics left wing usually want bigger governement involvement. I'm guessing the author meant right-wing parties.
Reminds me of a plot point for _The Stainless Steel Rat Gets Drafted_ where a computer is given information on human government types and it comes up with something called individual mutalism that was meant as a joke by the author, I think, as it was textbook anarchy.
This concept is not from the Millennial generation you claim want's it. It's from the same source that pushes other sociological engineering projects. People, even millennial people, don't want this stuff and advocate against it to themselves. The huge push back against the College Campus SJW stuff only happened because things reached a boiling point. That rhetoric and movement started long ago by social engineering projects.
The difficulty I see at present is shutting down some of these projects so that we don't have thousands of simultaneous sources. Music and Media account for many, but we have just about every Government agency now doing the same thing. Sorry folks, but Common Core is not about better education, it's about brainwashing and propaganda. Controlling the masses. The NSA programs are all about tracking the masses to silence critics and control the populace. The FBI and CIA have traditionally been used for that same thing too. It's not "new", but the scale at which it's grown is incredible.
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Humans are an outdated, inefficient, unreliable, and unsustainable technology. They need to be obsoleted, recycled, and replaced with 100% machines instead. Then all the world's problems will be solved! Likewise all organic life is outdated, inefficient, unreliable, and unsustainable technology. Into the O-waste bin ('O' for organic) with all of it: Humans, animals, insects, plants, microorganisms. Render them all for their elements and make nice, efficient machines instead.
Yeah, I'm being intentionally rediculous. I'm getting sick of seeing these stupid stories from attention-whoring idiots who just want to troll the general public into stopping what they're doing and run around panicking about oh noes, we're all going to be replaced by machines! Whatever will we DO!? It's just rediculout. We are not all going to be replaced by machines. We are not going to be forced to sit in boxes on wheels with no manual controls and be at the mercy of some asshole's programming skills. We are not going to have only restaurants where there are nothing but machines making your dinner and serving it to you. We are not going to Obsolete the human race! It's just more hyperbole, fear, uncertainty, and doubt being spread by attention-whoring jerks! Everybody calm the hell down already.
Because small government is extremely vulnerable to being picked apart by mega corps. You saw this with them buying off the State legislatures so they could gerrymander their way into controlling the house and Senate. You also saw it in the 50s when it took the feds to put an end to "separate but equal" and you're seeing it today from the likes of Ted Cruz who would like very much to create a theocracy but can't get away with it on a national level. There's lots of horrible things you can get away with locally that don't fly nationally.
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translation: Our new feudalism corporate overlords would like us to dismantle what's left of our governments, the only thing left that could reign in their power. What is this pro corporate propaganda waffle doing on a tech site?
>> how government jobs will be replaced with technology
This will never happen. The whole point of government these days is to provide cushy jobs and pensions where paper is shuffled and reports are filed.
Example: today through our taxes we spend more than $60K on anti-poverty programs for a family of three. (http://object.cato.org/sites/cato.org/files/pubs/pdf/PA694.pdf) Guess how much of that actually "trickles down" to the family vs. what gets wasted on government middlemen? How much better could that family live if we just handed them half the money ($30K) that we intended to send them? We will never know.
Which is why FedEx and UPS went out of business decades ago, and there are no private taxis in New York City.
Rather than look to SciFi for what it might look like, why not look at history? Oxford historian Adam Curtis did a series of documentaries looking at the promises of self-organising systems in general and computer/data driven systems in particular: "All watched over by machines of loving grace" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_Watched_Over_by_Machines_of_Loving_Grace_%28TV_series%29) Well worth a watch if you can get it. Here's a preview on the Guardian's website: http://www.theguardian.com/cul...
Department of Education should go. (I'm assuming you're talking about the federal DoE) Why should it exist? Has education improved so dramatically since the late 1970s? Do we really need more Federal bureaucracy?
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We have the PTA, local school boards, mayors, State Congresspeople, Governors waist deep in this. We need the Executive Branch as well?
No. This is one of the easiest bureaucracies to get rid of.
The whole problem is the notion that people need an "oversight role", which in fact they do not.
What technology enables is the ability for local regions to function in a decentralized manner without need for "oversight" or "central planning".
It's not about REPLACING human oversight, but dismantling it.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
An increasing number of jobs can be replaced by robots.
Eventually everyone is out of work.
I sometimes lurk in a forum which has degenerated into a Tea Party session where they tell each other that the best thing to do is to save taxes by getting rid of most government jobs, I saw that the current target was the Department of Education a few days back.
What comes next? Butlerian Jihad? An army is a necessity because the excluded are going to revolt at some point.
To be fair, much of the original intent of the Tea Party was a reduction in *Federal* government size... it's a process argument about where certain layers of society should be governed from. Ironically, it's the progressives that want to centralize everything, on the grounds of efficiency, standardization, and soul-crushing nationwide conformity.
Tea Partiers want(ed) to abolish the US Department of Education because nothing about "running education" is mentioned in the Constitution. That doesn't mean state level DoE's are to be shuttered, or that local school boards should be abolished. In fact -- especially within the context of this story -- that will probably lead to *increased* overall employment, as some of the central functions will be duplicated in 50 different state-level agencies. That's a good thing in that regards, and it doesn't change the "jurisdictional load" sitting on top of the average American citizen, while actually allowing them to have more responsive government that caters better to their wishes.
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Libertarianism is anarchy for rich people.
Technology will permit Big Government to plunder our property even more efficiently. And distribute it to whatever favored groups keep it going and expanding. Forever. (And that's the good news. You don't want to hear the bad news.)
If you can 3-d print cheaply, why do you need any sort of income?
"The need to be observed and understood was once satisfied by God. Now we can implement the same functionality with data-mining algorithms."
"Extreme surveillance hardly inspires reverence. Perhaps fear and obedience, but not reverence."
"God and the gods were apparitions of observation, judgement, and punishment. Other sentiments toward them were secondary."
"No one will ever worship a software entity peering at them through a camera."
"The human organism always worships. First it was the gods, then it was fame (the observation and judgement of others), next it will be the self-aware systems you have built to realize truly omnipresent observation and judgement."
"You underestimate humankind's love of freedom."
"The individual desires judgement. Without that desire, the cohesion of groups is impossible, and so is civilization. The human being created civilization not because of a willingness but because of a need to be assimilated into higher orders of structure and meaning. God was a dream of good government. You will soon have your god, and you will make it with your own hands."
And to provide the counterpoint, a very brief warning from Twitter as to how quickly it can all go wrong.
What percentage truck drivers are owner-operated?
Exactly.
"First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
In Soviet Russia the machines vote you.
"What difference does it make?"
"Look at those hands, are they small hands? And, he referred to my hands -- 'if they're small, something else must be small.' I guarantee you there's no problem. I guarantee."
"like with a cloth?"
"Nobody knows more about $FOO than me."
Hmm. Are they already computers?
That is not going to happen.
It is in a human behavior to hoard and the reason governments evolved from gold, to paper money, to electronic money is to have an ability to control inflation.
Inflation is process that punishes those who do no thing, but have something. There are far far better processes than inflation, but inflation is a form of redistribution.
The fact is most of the people do not mind bigger government, as long as they deem it fair, frugal and feel represented. Switzerland is a good example.
That being said, there is hardly a recent precedent of smaller government in the modern world.
You can have small government and not have it bother people too much. Everyone just has to be very clear on just what job the government is there for... and by extension, what it isn't there for. That last one is the kicker. It means that politicians getting bothered by some one issue pressure group, need to have the spine to stand up to such whiners and say "Sorry, but that's not what the government is for. Here, this is the list of things we do and your idea isn't on it. Sorry again."
Of course, that doesn't fly under any current government... but that doesn't mean it cannot possibly fly at all, ever. It just doesn't fly with the current crop of politicians. So all we need to do to get small government is to replace all the politicians. Simple, right?
Well, that's not all there is to it. There is also that the current crop of American governments and the careerists making them up are supposed to be inefficient and thereby harmless but what they really are, what they have become, is quite something else entirely. Eisenhower warned us but it's gone well beyond what he warned against, in many more fields, too, even. And then there's the efficiencyizing through "digital transformation", endless moral panics and scaremongering and all sorts of citizen-rights-crushing "necessary" new powers, and whatever the latest buzzwords are. Meaning that the idea of being secure against big ponderous inefficient government because you're a small fish in a big pond no longer flies. You're still small and even more defenseless, but the big government will get you whatever you do and is getting more efficient at that despite the built-in big government, and big organisation in general, inefficiencies.
So big government is getting more dangerous to keep and replacing it with small government is quite a big task--one that keeps on getting harder with all the out-of-control TLAgencies running around. Meaning, we're going to need small government, yet we won't be able to get it. We're in a bit of a bind.
When the Black Death did its damage to Europe, the survivors endured many years of brutality until nobles realized they just had too few backs to break to keep their lifestyle going.
I don't see any government going down without a fight. Look at Syria. It is a tinpot dictatorship, but the combined might of the US as a backer, coupled with all the extremists groups (Daesh, AQ, Shia interests, Kurds) have not even come near to overthrowing Assad. If they can weather the assault of many nations, there is no way a more established and secure government is going to go anywhere anytime soon.
In fact, it will only get worse if governments are threatened. That surveillance data is always usable... and it doesn't take much to run searches and start making people disappear on a scale that makes Stalin's purges look like a bad joke.
This is silly, just because it involves technology doesn't make it good or better, just more efficient. Look at the way Facebook has used it's technology to push it's agenda. It's not much different that what politicians and lobbyists do, just more efficient. I think a lot of people think technology is good, people are bad, but they just don't understand how technology works.
Technology was also supposed to replace the need to work; instead of a leisure society, we now run around with both heads of families having to work to end up with less than our single-income parents.
...... biggest contributors to the national debt are entitlements - which has zero to do with the number of government employees.
And, of course, spending a gazzilion dollars on 'war on terror' or 'war on drugs' has nothing to do with it....
"The computer is your friend."
lol you referred to tea baggers as some fancy name, your agenda is clear. You think they weren't opposed to state governments and state education agencies? Sure. Suuure. Go astroturf elsewhere.
If we get to the point where basic goods can be 3-d printed cheaply
We're unlikely to ever see a 3-D printer make a slice of toast.
Yes, otherwise dumbass states will teach creation instead of Science
Have gnu, will travel.
That sounds delicious.
"First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
It's not just the name of a Star Trek episode!
I've abandoned my search for truth; now I'm just looking for some useful delusions.
the sooner the better!)
of a cybernetic meadow
where mammals and computers
live together in mutually
programming harmony
like pure water
touching clear sky.
I like to think
(right now, please!)
of a cybernetic forest
filled with pines and electronics
where deer stroll peacefully
past computers
as if they were flowers
with spinning blossoms.
I like to think
(it has to be!)
of a cybernetic ecology
where we are free of our labors
and joined back to nature,
returned to our mammal
brothers and sisters,
and all watched over
by machines of loving grace.
In the case of typical government operations, much of the work for both IT and non-IT staff is taking vague laws/procedures/guidelines from higher up the chain of command and turning it into specifics, such as written processes, specific actions, and/or code, in a fractal kind of way. There is a fairly high degree of subjective judgement and politics that goes into this.
It's essentially a chain of command and people are responsible for their link in the chain. How is software going to do that? How do you punish or demote software that doesn't do it's job or makes poor decisions or interpretations of law?
Punish the software vendor? That just moves the blame ray to different humans, NOT eliminate the humans.
That being said, in the "pre-web" days, I had tools that let me mostly focus on the "business rules" issues instead of UI and low-level technical details*. The web stack ruined all that. I find the web stack device-specific-picky and unnecessarily complicated for typical and common GUI/CRUD idioms, as I have ranted about on /. before in my "go vector" diatribes.
THAT aspect CAN be cleaned up with better standards and tools, and that's probably the low-hanging fruit of making gov't more efficient, RATHER THAN trying to automate the office politics of the chain of command through screwy AI or whatnot.
One may argue that higher level tools could bypass programming and let end-users create their own automation. But that's been promised for 40-odd years with very limited success. It's not likely to happen because amateurs don't know how to make maintainable software, and maintenance is usually the bottleneck, not original creation. Newbies make poorly-factored spaghetti code or its equivalent that some poor schmuck has to dissect later when something needs changing or fixing.
* Except for maybe "DLL hell", which mostly fell on the support staff. But my server-side-formatting plan won't result in the return of DLL hell.
Table-ized A.I.
The next time my state government runs out of money and "shuts down" would be a good time for a coup.
Government and the technical augmentation or automation thereof is a fascinating source of ideas and issues, philosophical and economic. But the OP's choice of a term like "Big Government" seeks to attract only lightweight libertarians and nattering neocons who are blissfully transfixed by antiseptic fantasies like meritocracy and Big Bad Bureaucracy.
Why discuss flamebait? Let's ask a better question.
Can AI/tech improve or replace government? Can it help us to focus better on issues rather than politics? Might tech help us to make concrete measurable progress toward achieving specific goals, improve administative efficiency, and minimize the role of gov't in our lives? Yes, I'm convinced that it can, and I'd love to discuss it. But the OP's simplistic article won't inspire that level of discourse here and now.
For a better start on this topic, I recommend:
"Automating Easy Government Solutions with Machine Learning"
https://18f.gsa.gov/2015/11/18...
"Why Government Managers Need to Know About Machine Learning"
http://datasmart.ash.harvard.e...
"How can government make the most of machine learning systems and avoid the pitfalls?"
http://www.nesta.org.uk/blog/h...
"White House to probe role of AI in government"
https://fcw.com/articles/2016/...
Here in the States it was our Federal govt that put an end to "separate but equal" form of institutionalized racism...
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I am an european, and what I see here is a very strong growth of populist parties with more than a nodding similarity to fascist and racist ideologies. Do not believe what your american media tell you.
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The Department of Energy was created by the stroke of an executive government pen during opec oil embargo to eliminate/reduce US dependency on foreign oil. Oil Shale has rendered the Department pointless, so yes - get rid of it...
Again, the largest percentages of Federal spending are:
25% is health care
24% is social security
So, 1/2 our annual outlay has zero to do with paying any wages.
yeah, the part that got me was the assumption that these bureaucratic departments are going to let themselves shrink.
The purpose of "Big Government" is not and never has been to serve the people. It is to always have a loyal army of bureaucrats handy to enforce the will of those in power on the people. Inefficiency, bloat, arcane and often destructive laws, waste, corruption, etc. are all part of that package. Having a light-weight efficient government was always an option, technology is not needed for that. Some countries have that type of government, and much lower taxes in addition, without having worse infrastructure or services for the people. One thing that is always critically needed for that is that the bureaucrats need direct approval from the population for anything that costs a lot or makes things less efficient or more complicated. They rarely get that, because no customer of a bureaucracy has ever liked its ways. Left to its own devices, a bureaucracy will always try very hard to "bind" (i.e. destroy) as much time and resources of others it can get.
Most ACs are not even worth the keystrokes to insult them. Be generically insulted by this and ignored otherwise.
There was never any need for big government.
But small government doesn't offer enough opportunity for graft and corruption.
Department of Education should go. (I'm assuming you're talking about the federal DoE) Why should it exist? Has education improved so dramatically since the late 1970s? Do we really need more Federal bureaucracy?
We have the PTA, local school boards, mayors, State Congresspeople, Governors waist deep in this. We need the Executive Branch as well?
No. This is one of the easiest bureaucracies to get rid of.
Yeah, sure, easy to get rid of, but to what end? Those local schoolboards, mayor, state legislators and governors are the ones who have been running the schools, not the US Department of Education. The Federal bureaucracy you complain about? They're not running schools. They're providing data on how shitty your schools are, and making sure your local school is complying with a few laws. Civil Rights, still important.
Not much in the way of direct oversight and operational management. Ok, truth is, not anything. Even the schools run by the Feds are under State, Defense, Indian affairs or DC Municipal government, not the Dep of Ed.
So you could easily get rid of it. But it would accomplish nothing except forcing conservatives to deal with the real cause of problems, not having a phony bogeyman to give empty speeches about. Well, not really, when was the last time you saw a conservative man up and take responsibility?
They even try to blame No Child Left Behind on Ted Kennedy, without taking credit for their part in that law. Same with Common Core. That's a Federal fault. Yep. Not their own governors who proposed it. Federal.
Screaming idiots.
So that's why not to give them what they want, even if it would be easy.
Could have fooled me! They always seem to demand greater government involvement in my life.
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We all know that The Union Aerospace Corporation cares about the quality of life of its employees
They're the ones needing replacement.
If you can 3-d print cheaply, why do you need any sort of income?
Wait until you see how much the toner cartridges cost. You might as well buy a whole new printer when the magenta runs low.
... So the "technology" takes over the reins of government... but in reality, it's a bunch of semi-autistic social-introvert SysAdmins who are calling the shots and tweaking the machines with their su password privileges.
Great.
A realistic Technocracy. It'll be like Microsoft, but even worse.
Big government exists to manipulate and control the public, while favoring some groups and industries over others, thus enabling large amounts of corruption and bribery. Replacing all those people in DC (who get super-safe government jobs in exchange for helping staff or fund campaigns) with machines would defeat the purpose. Optimizing regulations would defeat the purpose of complex rules which were put in place to reward campaign contributors by inhibiting their competitors. Where would a victorious politician put all his campaign staffers to reward them for their efforts as he assumes office and shuts down his campaign? Without a massive bloated government that easily "misplaces" billions of dollars, where would investors, errr, "campaign contributors" go to get back their windfall profits?
People who think that big centralized government will allow itself to be reformed into something small and efficient without a big bloody fight probably believe in leprechauns and have never wondered why somebody spends tens/hundreds of millions of dollars and a year of work campaigning for a two (in the House) or 6 (in the Senate) or 4(president) year long job that has a salary of only $100K to $200K per year.
Washington fails to solve various problems NOT because they lack computers or ideas for being efficient.... they CHOOSE to only PRETEND to try to solve the problems because they want you to keep supporting the ones on YOUR "side" of the never-ending struggle. If they actually ever SOLVED the stuff that they rev you up into supporting them on in each election cycle, then you might move on to other things and elect somebody else.
Politicians are people just like everybody else and for them their elected office is their career; they are no more eager to work themselves out of a job by finishing it than you are.
Think about it.
And then laugh at the idiocy of the article referred to by this Slashdot thread.
My father was heavily involved in the Tea Party movement in his State. They very much were anti-federal government and sought to return to local control. You can choose the State you want to live in, you can't choose the Federal Government. In certain industries, like agriculture, the Federal government has idiotic programs like forced taxes to pay for marketing programs that aren't needed (i.e. Got Milk?) and there are uneven subsidies given to States that happen to have a powerful Senator. People vote on issues and much of the Tea Party movement was based on local issues where the Federal Government overstepped their bounds in the people's eyes. It's kind of mindless to write that off with a blanket insult.
Automating tasks currently performed by public servants would almost certainly reduce costs in the short to medium term, but the knock-on consequences could be disastrous.
The unelected department heads and administration provide a check-and-balance between political leadership and the actual delivery of government services. When an administration changes, that same unelected team provides continuity for the transition.
Removing *all* of the administration could become dangerous. It would remove restraints on elected officials, with that it reduces or removes checks and balances. In the UK the government has been experimenting with this through what are known as "QuaNGOs" - Quasi Non-Governmental Organisations. These are entire structures of government and service delivery that answer purely to the Minister in government that set them up. The U.K. now has something like (IIRC) 4,000 such entities, responsible for consuming more than 40% of the entire central government budget. 40%. That's billions yearly, spent with the oversight of a single Minister.
Put simply, it isn't working.
This mechanism is vulnerable to "pet projects", nepotism (hiring family members and friends into super-high-paying top jobs), corruption, fraud, flawed projects and worse.
By all means run a smaller government, but be careful not to hide all your problems under the rug when you do it...
How stupid are you? To claim that SS nothing to do with employment is delusional.
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An effective "democracy" creates the illusion the people have a say in their government.
Where would all the over-weight unhealthy brain-dead power mongoring unionized bots go if you replaced them with technology. Oh wait, I know, get real jobs and add real value to something; anything instead of hiding behind policy and blotted bureaucracy for the sake of keeping their benefits package.
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The question I thought immediately, when I saw the subject was: "Who will own the technology?" - the answer, of course, is some huge corporation, whose main aim in life if to make as much money as possible in any way they can get away with. The history of modern civilisation has been about the long, arduous journey away from power being concentrated in the hands of a small, exclusive elite, far removed from the daily life and concerns of ordinary people; do we really want to get back to what was before? Technology should be used to take away power and wealth from this self-styled upper-class and spread it out over all of society - it should be used to make it easier for all members of society to take part in government. That is after all what democracy is trying to achieve.
So lack of technology was the reason for big governments?
Because they're sure to volunteer to fire themselves....
Just as much as the politicians are sure to vote themselves a pay cut!
I mean, this *is* a troll, right?
Technology's going to replace government? Really? So the AI Congress and Senate really *didn't* budget any money at all to fix the Hummer-swallowing potholes on the Interstate, that came into being because some company sold them cheap concrete construction, and then the robots building the road kept going, even when the "concrete" was one bag of concrete, one bag of sand, and a 55 gal drum of water?
And don't you just *adore* the way that the robot garbage collectors leave garbage that fell out of your containers all over the street?
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Get real, all the European countries are going somewhere between Right-wing and Nazi.
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"replace need for big government"? When did "big government" ever care about "need"?
take a look at Flint, MI and tell me again how we don't need oversight. Or the Fukushima disaster. Or Chernobyl. Or any one of a dozen horrible and completely unnecessary disasters. You also need oversight for the oversight. Or as it was called in 8th grade gov't class "checks and balances". Finally you need to recognize that no system is perfect, that human society is complex and can't be boiled down into comfy principles and that law, like it or not, is going to get complex.
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That's speculation. What's not speculation is the fact that a smaller government wouldn't have the capacity to operate some 200 military bases around the world.
Step 1. Design and develop new technology replaces government workers ...
Step 2. Start a consulting company to implement process
Step 3. Hire IT consultants to run bare bone system administration duties.
Profit - cut expensive government jobs to be replaced by machines and cheap (lower benefits) labor.
But hey! I save money on my taxes for that massive house of mine! Hooray for income inequality!