Jim Crow came about because slavery was abolished. It took a civil war to make that happen.
Some people would feel that violence would be called for if the government legalized gay marriage, or abortion, or instituted public health care (the real stuff, not the Obama stuff). Where is this line?
The New Hampshire constitution is as good of a guide as any as to where the line should be drawn:
Whenever the ends of government are perverted, and public liberty manifestly endangered, and all other means of redress are ineffectual, the people may, and of right ought to reform the old, or establish a new government. The doctrine of nonresistance against arbitrary power, and oppression, is absurd, slavish, and destructive of the good and happiness of mankind.
I bolded the part that suggests where the line should be drawn, to me anyway. The ammo box is the LAST box that people should reach for. But if the other boxes (soap box, ballot box, jury box) fail, what choice is there?
And only when everything else fails, and you are left with no other options do you go and start shooting people.
Few people have suggested that shooting people is the starting point to righting the wrongs in our society.
The government has more force to throw at you than any dissenting group could hope to match. The government has pretty much a monopoly of force.
And the Redcoats were members of the most powerful army on the planet at the time. What's your point?
People will get hurt. Innocent people will get hurt. Your personal political ideology generally never trumps the lives of others.
It's a safe assumption that people are already being hurt if things ever get to the point that revolution is called for.
I personally dread the day when people take up guns against their elected government. First because the term "elected", by picking up guns your saying that you know better than the voters, which to me, is tyrannical.
You do realize that the voters will has already been subverted in the United States, right? Our elected officials choose their voters, not the other way around. There are also times when the will of the voters DESERVES to be overturned. Or do you think that Jim Crow was justifiable because it happened to command popular support?
A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his government. -edward abbey
I hope you appreciate the irony of choosing that as your signature line while condemning the notion of revolution against an oppressive government.
After $2,000 or so, the bank would catch her and let her go (not get their money back). No report to the police, nothing. Since her only job skill was bank teller, she would just get a job at a different bank...
I call bullshit. Even if they didn't report her crime to the police (which any bank I've ever worked with would have done but for the sake of the argument....) they still would have reported the loss to their insurance companies. Bank tellers have to be bonded and insurance companies keep records of losses. Your girl would not have been able to get bonded after pulling this stunt and would not have been able to obtain employment after pulling it.
It's the same for both. The only difference is that torque converters aren't as efficient as a clutch at moving power in the other direction, so automatics have less opportunity to impose fuel cutoff. They also aren't as good at engine braking but that's another discussion.
The politicians who raided the public treasury to bail these assholes out instead of letting them fail? The morons in the electorate that sent said politicians to Washington and elected one of them POTUS?
Anyone can achieve 98mpg given the right conditions (downhill in neutral)
Actually you'd be better to leave it in gear than to leave it in neutral. Modern engine control units will cut off the fuel supply when the engine speed is being maintained by outside factors and your foot is off the gas. If you shift into neutral you take away this option and force the ECU to supply enough gas to keep the engine running at idle.
The idea being that illegal immigrants can't get "papers" and will therefore be unable to work
Yeah, that'll work. Just the other day I stopped at the corner and picked up a guy named "Jose" to help me put up drywall, alas he didn't have a social security card and wasn't able to accept the greenbacks I was offering him. Guess I'll have to hire someone with papers next time.
And suddenly, many Americans are going to find themselves having to get lawyers and work out paperwork when their cards don't come up valid, or they lose them, etc.
Why would that bother anybody in Congress? Most of them are lawyers after all. You scratch my back and I'll scratch yours.....
Uhmm... Using a stolen SSN to get a job... Wouldn't that mean the social security benefits aquired over the years in that job would be credited to the original owner of that number?
And the income taxes that would be owed for said income....
This whole thing is pointless anyway. Does Congress really live in a fantasy land where illegal immigrants are hired to positions where they supply SSNs, drivers licenses, etc? In my experience the vast majority of businesses employing illegal labor do so by paying them in cash. "Come work with us for a day putting up drywall, there's a few sawbucks in it for you." No amount of biometrics will stop this.
Then you can't work. No work, no money. No money, you become disenfranchised
No, then you just start receiving Government handouts and they know you'll vote Democrat for the rest of your life.....
How's that hope and change working out for you anyway? It seems to me that the Democrats are just as effective as the Republicans at taking away our civil liberties.
I think the issue here is that the system is turning to swap.
Turn swapping off. If you have a reasonable amount of RAM there's no reason to leave it turned on. I turn it off anyway for security considerations -- I use Truecrypt -- but really there's no reason not to do so on any XP machine with 2 gigs of RAM or Vista/Win 7 machine with 4 gigs of RAM.
You are agreeing to give up your privacy. You are not losing - you surrendered.
Indeed. I like his whining about them not needing his SSN. Then why did you give it to them? Phone and cable service is regulated in most states. I've yet to read state regulations that allow them to deny you service you refuse to fork over the SSN. If they refuse to give you service without the SSN then contact your state regulators and open a case.
I did this here in New York with Verizon and the public service commission compelled them to turn on my service within two business days of my filing a complaint. All they can do is ask you for a deposit -- the law usually requires them to return it to you after a certain number of timely payments (usually a year's worth) have been made.
You are preaching to the choir my friend. I was using the first example of a law that deserved to be struck down that came to mind. Ten minutes was an obvious exaggeration but I doubt that it would have taken 2-3 years for 25 state legislatures to override the Federal AWB if they had held the power to do so.
I think it's a wonderful idea. I'd also like to see the 17th amendment repealed too.
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Jim Crow was repealed without a revolution.
Jim Crow came about because slavery was abolished. It took a civil war to make that happen.
Some people would feel that violence would be called for if the government legalized gay marriage, or abortion, or instituted public health care (the real stuff, not the Obama stuff). Where is this line?
The New Hampshire constitution is as good of a guide as any as to where the line should be drawn:
Whenever the ends of government are perverted, and public liberty manifestly endangered, and all other means of redress are ineffectual, the people may, and of right ought to reform the old, or establish a new government. The doctrine of nonresistance against arbitrary power, and oppression, is absurd, slavish, and destructive of the good and happiness of mankind.
I bolded the part that suggests where the line should be drawn, to me anyway. The ammo box is the LAST box that people should reach for. But if the other boxes (soap box, ballot box, jury box) fail, what choice is there?
And only when everything else fails, and you are left with no other options do you go and start shooting people.
Few people have suggested that shooting people is the starting point to righting the wrongs in our society.
Let's sell dimes for a nickel and make it up in volume......
The government has more force to throw at you than any dissenting group could hope to match. The government has pretty much a monopoly of force.
And the Redcoats were members of the most powerful army on the planet at the time. What's your point?
People will get hurt. Innocent people will get hurt. Your personal political ideology generally never trumps the lives of others.
It's a safe assumption that people are already being hurt if things ever get to the point that revolution is called for.
I personally dread the day when people take up guns against their elected government. First because the term "elected", by picking up guns your saying that you know better than the voters, which to me, is tyrannical.
You do realize that the voters will has already been subverted in the United States, right? Our elected officials choose their voters, not the other way around. There are also times when the will of the voters DESERVES to be overturned. Or do you think that Jim Crow was justifiable because it happened to command popular support?
A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his government. -edward abbey
I hope you appreciate the irony of choosing that as your signature line while condemning the notion of revolution against an oppressive government.
After $2,000 or so, the bank would catch her and let her go (not get their money back). No report to the police, nothing. Since her only job skill was bank teller, she would just get a job at a different bank...
I call bullshit. Even if they didn't report her crime to the police (which any bank I've ever worked with would have done but for the sake of the argument....) they still would have reported the loss to their insurance companies. Bank tellers have to be bonded and insurance companies keep records of losses. Your girl would not have been able to get bonded after pulling this stunt and would not have been able to obtain employment after pulling it.
They think it is a mark of how elite and amazing they are as a country that they get to pay for healthcare or something.
You think you don't pay for health care just because it's provided by the state? Can I have some of what you are smoking?
It's the same for both. The only difference is that torque converters aren't as efficient as a clutch at moving power in the other direction, so automatics have less opportunity to impose fuel cutoff. They also aren't as good at engine braking but that's another discussion.
Which ones are the bank robbers again?
The politicians who raided the public treasury to bail these assholes out instead of letting them fail? The morons in the electorate that sent said politicians to Washington and elected one of them POTUS?
Except one of the senators working on this bill is a republican.
Yeah, such staunch right-wingers as Charles Schemer.
Anyone can achieve 98mpg given the right conditions (downhill in neutral)
Actually you'd be better to leave it in gear than to leave it in neutral. Modern engine control units will cut off the fuel supply when the engine speed is being maintained by outside factors and your foot is off the gas. If you shift into neutral you take away this option and force the ECU to supply enough gas to keep the engine running at idle.
And how were you planning to vote, with no ID card?
Democrats have consistently opposed efforts to require voters to prove their identity before going to the polls. Where have you been?
The idea being that illegal immigrants can't get "papers" and will therefore be unable to work
Yeah, that'll work. Just the other day I stopped at the corner and picked up a guy named "Jose" to help me put up drywall, alas he didn't have a social security card and wasn't able to accept the greenbacks I was offering him. Guess I'll have to hire someone with papers next time.
And suddenly, many Americans are going to find themselves having to get lawyers and work out paperwork when their cards don't come up valid, or they lose them, etc.
Why would that bother anybody in Congress? Most of them are lawyers after all. You scratch my back and I'll scratch yours.....
Uhmm... Using a stolen SSN to get a job... Wouldn't that mean the social security benefits aquired over the years in that job would be credited to the original owner of that number?
And the income taxes that would be owed for said income....
This whole thing is pointless anyway. Does Congress really live in a fantasy land where illegal immigrants are hired to positions where they supply SSNs, drivers licenses, etc? In my experience the vast majority of businesses employing illegal labor do so by paying them in cash. "Come work with us for a day putting up drywall, there's a few sawbucks in it for you." No amount of biometrics will stop this.
Then you can't work. No work, no money. No money, you become disenfranchised
No, then you just start receiving Government handouts and they know you'll vote Democrat for the rest of your life.....
How's that hope and change working out for you anyway? It seems to me that the Democrats are just as effective as the Republicans at taking away our civil liberties.
But how is Energizer supposed to let you know of amazing offers on things to buy without installing software???
They could do that with software that doesn't LISTEN for INCOMING connections....
Why does a USB-powered charger need software at all?
The question is why does it need software that listens for commands from the mothership?
Throwing something into the sun would require a truly staggering amount of energy. It will never be a practical means of waste disposal.
Correct me if I'm wrong (and I probably am) but don't you GAIN speed as you fall into the sun's gravity well?
We should start sending all our garbage there.
I agree, but how will we convince all 535 members of Congress to get on the space ship?
Their behavior in regard to the App Store is totally unreasonable, and it is going to kill the App Store
What, you mean it'll die the same death that Verizon's walled garden approach has died? If you believe that I've got a bridge to sell you.....
You'd change your tune if your country was invaded by an outside power.
We still have a conscription army which hands out an assault rifle to every male citizen over the age of 20.
What's wrong with that?
If you edit HD Video or very large Photo arrays you bump up against 4gig without effort. I hit the 16 gig mark on a regular basis.
Then buy more RAM. Somehow I don't think you'll be editing HD video very successfully from the swap file.....
I think the issue here is that the system is turning to swap.
Turn swapping off. If you have a reasonable amount of RAM there's no reason to leave it turned on. I turn it off anyway for security considerations -- I use Truecrypt -- but really there's no reason not to do so on any XP machine with 2 gigs of RAM or Vista/Win 7 machine with 4 gigs of RAM.
Geeze, thats all confrontational. Nice plan if you like to fight. If you don't, then just tell them you're an illegal alien.
So you'd rather go with lying over confrontation? No wonder we can't make any progress in this country.
You are agreeing to give up your privacy. You are not losing - you surrendered.
Indeed. I like his whining about them not needing his SSN. Then why did you give it to them? Phone and cable service is regulated in most states. I've yet to read state regulations that allow them to deny you service you refuse to fork over the SSN. If they refuse to give you service without the SSN then contact your state regulators and open a case.
I did this here in New York with Verizon and the public service commission compelled them to turn on my service within two business days of my filing a complaint. All they can do is ask you for a deposit -- the law usually requires them to return it to you after a certain number of timely payments (usually a year's worth) have been made.
You are preaching to the choir my friend. I was using the first example of a law that deserved to be struck down that came to mind. Ten minutes was an obvious exaggeration but I doubt that it would have taken 2-3 years for 25 state legislatures to override the Federal AWB if they had held the power to do so.
I think it's a wonderful idea. I'd also like to see the 17th amendment repealed too.