Why do you honour them as heroes then? Because they all sat there and their plane crashed against WTC killing thousands?
At least your government should stop with the hypocrisy off calling those passengers "heroes"... this is just media bullshit made to inspire some crappy patriotic feeling and use it to shut anyone that was against the subsequent invasions that USA did on behalf of those "heroes".
Maybe you should shut your fucking mouth and stop nitpicking the manner in which we choose to honor the victims of that horrible day?
Call me when a Bat'Leth is 12 times more likely to accidentally kill the owner or a member of the owner's family than to serve it's intended purpose; then we'll talk.
Call me when the gun control lobby can use statistics without distorting them to further their own agenda; then we'll talk
Weapon control in general public is one argument I'm not really sure I'm on the right side of, but I'm fairly certain whether your'e talking a knife, blunt object, mace, taser, pistol, whatever, in a confined space like a plane is going to end pretty poorly.
Intent, number of hits, etc, all become irrelevant
I've never heard number of hits really mattering much unless your reason for shooting someone was questionable to begin with. If it was questionable then why the hell did you shoot them? If it wasn't questionable (i.e: your life was in danger) then the law generally doesn't care about how many times you shoot them. I'd shoot them as many times as it took to end the threat to my life or the lives of my family.
Personally though I keep a handgun nearby too (a SIG P6 9mm)
9mm? Why don't you just throw it at them and save yourself the trouble?;)
I keep a Remington 870 loaded with 00 in my bedroom
This in of itself is an interesting story. However, the paramedics examined both the shot trooper and the man from the car, and found the former to be dead and the latter still alive. After some discussion with the second trooper, they took the dead trooper to the hospital in their ambulance, returning to pick up the wounded man over an hour later, by which time he had died.
We had some case law in Oregon that put a few people in prison for not trying to retreat first while accosted in public
In NYS it's dependent upon the situation. Generally if you can retreat and don't you are going to have a much harder time making a case of self-defense. That said, I wouldn't turn my back on someone with a gun -- in that scenario you could make the argument that turning away would place you in even greater danger. There also generally has to be a disparity of force before you can shoot someone. This is one of the reasons why a woman will have an easier time getting away with shooting an unarmed assailant than a man will -- the man is presumed (right or wrongly) to be able to defend himself without resorting to deadly force.
but anyone in my home gets no benefit of the doubt, if they came in while I was home it's just too dangerous to assume that they aren't completely deranged or desperate enough to do almost anything
Well, what if it's just some drunk dumbass who lives down the street and thinks it's his house? That's one of the "scenarios" we had to go over in our pistol licensing class. I would be inclined to try and hold such a person at bay until the police arrived -- provided my family was behind me and not in danger. In the home invasion scenario (door kicked down, people storm in before you realize what's going on) I'm going to shoot first and ask questions later.
If you threaten my life, I have a right to make you stop. If you end up dead, well, that's too bad. At least that's the law in Texas.
That's generally the law everywhere although the specifics may vary. Here in New York the case law says that when out in public we have to make a reasonable effort to retreat first. In our homes we don't have to retreat although it's well advised -- personally I wouldn't shoot somebody over property (it's insured) if my life isn't in danger.
If I feel like my life is in danger though all bets are off -- I'll be shooting to kill and will continue shooting until the threat has been negated. If he manages to survive then I'll tell the 911 dispatcher to send an ambulance along with the cops.
No, it will land him in a county jail. If it were a repeat or significant enough offense, he would likely end up in a state prison
Umm, I dunno how they do it in Colorado, but here in New York armed robbery is a pretty serious offense and you are all but assured of receiving a sentence >1 year. Sentence >1 year generally equals a stay in state pound me in the ass prison, not a stay in clean up the roadside county jail......
Well it's not very professional although it does seem kind of stupid to edit it after the article has been published. People have already seen it after all.
A half hour later, police received a call from a 7-Eleven at 2407 N Union Blvd, where a male matching the previous description entered the store with a sword. He also demanded money from the store clerk. The clerk did not give him any money and the suspect transported himself out of the store on foot.
The writer almost sounds disappointed that the suspect didn't beam himself out of the store;)
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Nightmare at 20,000 Miles Per Hour?
At least they know they can slow down 19,950 MPH before they have to worry about the ISS blowing up ;)
Jeff Cooper came up with a similiar system.
We don't have the technology to track his outbound transporter trail.
Don't worry, I'm sure some young high schooler is on the case and will figure out the problem before the Feds do ;)
I keep wondering what getting on an airplane would be like if they had caught someone with a bomb up their ass instead of their shoe.
Don't give the TSA or the terrorists any ideas ;)
Why do you honour them as heroes then? Because they all sat there and their plane crashed against WTC killing thousands? ... this is just media bullshit made to inspire some crappy patriotic feeling and use it to shut anyone that was against the subsequent invasions that USA did on behalf of those "heroes".
At least your government should stop with the hypocrisy off calling those passengers "heroes"
Maybe you should shut your fucking mouth and stop nitpicking the manner in which we choose to honor the victims of that horrible day?
Ok, so I'm bad at sarcasm.
Oh no, your sarcasm was absolutely brilliant. I wish I had some mod points for you :)
Call me when a Bat'Leth is 12 times more likely to accidentally kill the owner or a member of the owner's family than to serve it's intended purpose; then we'll talk.
Call me when the gun control lobby can use statistics without distorting them to further their own agenda; then we'll talk
I'm certainly going to change my evil liberal response to gun control and start following the constitution
Fixed that for you ;)
Weapon control in general public is one argument I'm not really sure I'm on the right side of, but I'm fairly certain whether your'e talking a knife, blunt object, mace, taser, pistol, whatever, in a confined space like a plane is going to end pretty poorly.
More poorly than 9/11?
... how do you disarm people who are trained to kill with bare hands?
With a gun and about 15 feet of distance ;) Duh :P
The fucker would probably sue you and win.
Only in America..... of course only in America are we actually allowed to defend ourselves so I suppose it's not all bad.
Intent, number of hits, etc, all become irrelevant
I've never heard number of hits really mattering much unless your reason for shooting someone was questionable to begin with. If it was questionable then why the hell did you shoot them? If it wasn't questionable (i.e: your life was in danger) then the law generally doesn't care about how many times you shoot them. I'd shoot them as many times as it took to end the threat to my life or the lives of my family.
Personally though I keep a handgun nearby too (a SIG P6 9mm)
9mm? Why don't you just throw it at them and save yourself the trouble? ;)
I keep a Remington 870 loaded with 00 in my bedroom
That's more like it ;)
This in of itself is an interesting story. However, the paramedics examined both the shot trooper and the man from the car, and found the former to be dead and the latter still alive. After some discussion with the second trooper, they took the dead trooper to the hospital in their ambulance, returning to pick up the wounded man over an hour later, by which time he had died.
Serves the SOB right, IMHO.
We had some case law in Oregon that put a few people in prison for not trying to retreat first while accosted in public
In NYS it's dependent upon the situation. Generally if you can retreat and don't you are going to have a much harder time making a case of self-defense. That said, I wouldn't turn my back on someone with a gun -- in that scenario you could make the argument that turning away would place you in even greater danger. There also generally has to be a disparity of force before you can shoot someone. This is one of the reasons why a woman will have an easier time getting away with shooting an unarmed assailant than a man will -- the man is presumed (right or wrongly) to be able to defend himself without resorting to deadly force.
but anyone in my home gets no benefit of the doubt, if they came in while I was home it's just too dangerous to assume that they aren't completely deranged or desperate enough to do almost anything
Well, what if it's just some drunk dumbass who lives down the street and thinks it's his house? That's one of the "scenarios" we had to go over in our pistol licensing class. I would be inclined to try and hold such a person at bay until the police arrived -- provided my family was behind me and not in danger. In the home invasion scenario (door kicked down, people storm in before you realize what's going on) I'm going to shoot first and ask questions later.
If you threaten my life, I have a right to make you stop. If you end up dead, well, that's too bad. At least that's the law in Texas.
That's generally the law everywhere although the specifics may vary. Here in New York the case law says that when out in public we have to make a reasonable effort to retreat first. In our homes we don't have to retreat although it's well advised -- personally I wouldn't shoot somebody over property (it's insured) if my life isn't in danger.
If I feel like my life is in danger though all bets are off -- I'll be shooting to kill and will continue shooting until the threat has been negated. If he manages to survive then I'll tell the 911 dispatcher to send an ambulance along with the cops.
Careful where you swing that thing.
I hope you are talking about Bat'Leths and not the recent footage that interrupted the Super Bowl ;)
I'm glad you linked to Michael Dorn because nobody on /. would have known who he was if you hadn't ;)
But I fear this infighting may unravel the whole sweet deal.
How many times do I gotta say it? When guys are on the mattresses they aren't out there earning.....
No, it will land him in a county jail. If it were a repeat or significant enough offense, he would likely end up in a state prison
Umm, I dunno how they do it in Colorado, but here in New York armed robbery is a pretty serious offense and you are all but assured of receiving a sentence >1 year. Sentence >1 year generally equals a stay in state pound me in the ass prison, not a stay in clean up the roadside county jail......
Not wanting the general public carrying weapons on a plane is neither paranoid nor moronic.
Yeah, much better to disarm the general public and announce this fact to those that seek to do harm. What could possibly go wrong?
Well it's not very professional although it does seem kind of stupid to edit it after the article has been published. People have already seen it after all.
Yeah, it's just a shame neither of the clerks were in red shirts!
If they had been the headline would be: Man Commits Murder With Klingon Bat'Leth
that the second one had the nuts to tell this honourless p'tak to go screw a goat
Maybe he had a phaser? Phaser > Bat'Leth
Wooosh!
Not as ridiculous as this part of the story:
A half hour later, police received a call from a 7-Eleven at 2407 N Union Blvd, where a male matching the previous description entered the store with a sword. He also demanded money from the store clerk. The clerk did not give him any money and the suspect transported himself out of the store on foot.
The writer almost sounds disappointed that the suspect didn't beam himself out of the store ;)