What is Java GUI????? Something like Linux GUI, or Windows GUI??!?!?
We all know that Swing is slow and does not comply to common HIG. But there is also swt, and anyone saying JAVA is slow, just shows he doesn't know what he is talking about.
But this undermines your freedom of doing whatever you like. If you install a shareware with spyware attached, and they inform you with the EULA, it is your own freedom to do so. In fact "You wanted the Software".
Do you _really_ know how much effort you have to take to keep an XP-Installation clean? That means that _only_ IT controlls the machine, and not claria, ms or doubleclick.
There is a bunch of crappy software you have to use. Anti-Virus, anti-spyware,personal-crap-firewall and so on.
Just _one_ of the recent Anti-Virus Kids _double_ your startup time and _double_ the workload on the machine. In fact it is _impossible_ to develop on such machines. Just when it gets to all the ports this auto-update crap needs to keep the clicky-fucky crap up to date it gets ridiculous!!!
The only way is to turn that fuck of completely. Switch to more reasonable Software and do what you are paid for.
point 1 is valid. but not to forget that we talk about software you eventually don't even need, but get anyway (like the rest of the crap in xp)
2. just a waste of hdd space. that's all. the user musn't muck up his system! how's that gonna fit to point 7??!?!
3.this is no firewall. it's a so called "personal-" or "desktop firewall". they provide no protection, they do nothing besides breaking new holes (see win32.witty etc...)
4. correct. 5. driver question 6. driver question 7. windows did not make it to real multiuser enviroments. a user, a pc. that's 99% the case. anyone here knows it better that windows could, but we all know that the apps won't.so....
in fact XP ist just a 2k with a lot of crap and shit and useless -and dangerous- stuff (like the desktop firewall).
there is in fact a reason why people ask why they should switch anyways. Additionally you have to mention that windows 2000 knows directX too.
In the last months i had several Situations where to decide which distri to take.
In a larger project i was at, we took sles8 and rhel. There had to be setup several small machines with "standard installation". Allthough we didn't need X or such, the machines where full with unneeded software. And the packages we really worked with had to be built by ourself anyway because the pre-packaged versions where fairly old.
So where is the clue now?
I get Distributions rather inflexible with no packet management at all (as mandrake or debian) and too old Software so i have to build and package it myself anyways.... If you start to build your own stuff, you fall out of the supporters update cycle anyhow, so what is the right descision here?
Next Project i had was getting smb-Servers to authenticate to an ADS Domain. I needed a very recent version of samba/winbind/kerberos so i took a sarge hoping it will be declared "stable" somehwen in the next few months.
I hope you get the problem;)
mercedes benz spokesman once said....
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we sell automobiles and emotions. A 1980 Honda civic will never get the status a mercedes benz (same age) has.
Allthough the rice cookies are reliable and cheap (in fact they are not cheap, compare a mercedes cdi engine with a rice cookie), there is a good reason there are still cars built for real men.
The point is that good rockets do not change that at all. And rice drivers allways fighting against this prejudice proves it right.
if you have software on youre machine you dont want, why do you install it anyway?
And if you have "no chance" in avoiding it, then think about why you get really silly now.
>Winamp - disable anon statistics at setup
and use max version 3.x
>Media Player Classic - best videoplayer out there OSS
wrong, mplayer is. plays more runs anywhere.
>Abiword - word processor OSS
Problems with Word files. Use openoffice.
>eMule - like kazaa only better
mldonkey, like emule, only better (and all networks btw)
>CoreFTP - better than filezilla
smartftp beats it.
>Ad Aware - spybot not needed really. AA catches just about everything now
if you need this, you should not talk about software,kid.
And if you think that was good soft you mentioned, you dont have a clue what you get in the linux world...;)
1. java is not slow, swing is. Poeple that dont know the difference should not make any IT decisions. Period. Swing is the reason why java gui apps run anywhere (no, this is not a myth). But you dont have to use it, there are alternatives. See "swt" and/or "gcj".
2. You dont need twice as much ram to boot java. the actual VMs share the loaded vm code for later on started java apps. Your.NET Runtime has to be started also.
3. Stop fucking using Excel and start openoffice.org!
sitting on the couch i can watch all apple.com movie trailers on my fingertips. Furthermore i have imdb lookup and access to a really big movie archive over ethernet. oh, i have linksbox to surf the net and read my emails, all from the couch. i can listen to internet radio, record it, can make screenshots in movies, make bookmarks and watch (of course) DD5.1 movies with spdif output on the xbox. this is the future boys. in fact its the past, but too few people know it;)
this puts me in position to sit on the couch and have _all_ "king of queens" and "married with children" episodes available on my fingertip. I can watch dvds, i can watch xvids with multiple audio streams i have spdif.... this is something you all (except the pvr people) will never get!! stay on the side and start whining now.
second device:
- nokia dbox2 with softcam and ethernet.
how do you watch 3000 crypted channels then? do you bey a pvr with cam modules for a 1000 bucks ?
i laugh about you (except pvr people), and i laugh about people buying this crap and start getting tears when they see my "installation".
oh and xbmc users do have this since years, you just talk about it today.
xorg_6.8_rc4 can be found there for 10.0 and cooker (use "probably_broken" dir). i think 6.8 final will get there soon.
this is running here fine.
Re:'Flaws' Not that big of a deal but
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first of all:
besides the whole zone-concept is a big laugh, and besides it is an even more big laugh (which is nearly impossible to achieve) to "expand" this paradigm to the filesystem (what in fact has not been done, but will not be communicated either), we get to a point we're talking.
So now that we pointed out that all this is absolute crap anyway, the article on heise shows up that the concept has no flaws, but in fact hard bugs.
if a programm uses this mechanism to determine the "safety" of a file, it could get wrong data. Period.
This has absolutely nothing to do with "will not be exploited from remote".
The IETF is already in a very weak state, over the past ten years its influence has declined from being the most influential Internet standards body to being a distant third.
And this is the reason you are passing _them_ the lever ?
Have the last 10 years not been a lesson to us all ?
And now you say "we're too weak, we have to do what they want"....
listen what i say : "f**** off".
Have a nice day.
and is the best media/dvd player you can get, and runs linux and and and.....
some people just don't get it;) let them be happy with their toys.
regards from germany
i second your opinion that this guys statement is of no relevant impact whatsoever for OSS. But i do not share the opinion the the coding guys are the only ones making the difference.
First do not forget Software is used by _many_ more people than it is written by. And second the Software with the most users is often the one with the most developers attached.
Think about it.
this discussion is getting soooo boring.
first of all. When talking about software installation in linux. I exclude all distributions that do not have a built-in default packaging system with huge online repositories.
reason is simple. Without this system you never get the job done. Wether you want to install "stable" software, or install new software, or want to install dev packages for compiling software, there is no way to get the job done without these systems.
So two distributions drop. Suse, fedora -> bye bye.
Even if they do have uprmi now. It doesn't mean someones gonna take care about the server side, which means fewer people will install it, which means fewer people take care on the server side.....this will never change if a distro does not make it mandatory.
and i can hear the people saying "but you may do this and that". i will tell you something. Visit your suse or fedora neighbour and look how he is handling his software. You can see his blinking eyes when ne suse boxes show up....
this is reality, not some sort of theory-discussion.
Now to the terribly broken packages in debian and co.
I had a problem last week. My Lotus notes didn't work because i was using a bleeding edge version of wine. so ?
I took the version from the stable repos and my problems where solved (mandrake here). I don't get the problem here. You say there are (in your opinion) terribly broken Packages which makes your point refusing _any_ packaging system ? ok, i had to look for "libwine" and "wine". And nobody's gonna tell you you need both if you don't know yourself. This is a flaw. Yes. But for gods sake, it's no reason to fall back into manually installation (as in suse). And in fact it is not that bad as you describe it. Most of the packages i came accross where packaged quite ok. And the two or three not so ok, does not make urpmi and/or apt way ahead of even windows software installation.
marco
automated package managers and installers need to have only repositories available with either stable and or bleeding edge softwar available. Fedora and Suse do _NOT_ have such systems. They just let you install the stuff over the internet which is on their install-cds anyways! This is first of all no help and second of all a pain in the ass.
So quit using fedora and/or suse and quit whining.
look here boy :
----snip----
[root@mstracktp init.d]# urpmi mythtv
ftp://plf.time4t.net/pub/plf/mandrake/10.0/i586/my thtv-0.14-5plf.i586.rpm
--snip--------
this is how software installation in modern distribution looks like ( that does _not_ include fedora and suse).
Oh, and up to date kernel binaries and sources are also as easy to install as it can be, with all modules pre compiled. You just have to use em.
what else do you want ? And if there is no driver, it's not linux fault.
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What is Java GUI????? Something like Linux GUI, or Windows GUI??!?!?
We all know that Swing is slow and does not comply to common HIG. But there is also swt, and anyone saying JAVA is slow, just shows he doesn't know what he is talking about.
maybe we should add that the decission for EM64T came directly after Microsoft communicated that furture versions of Windows will only run on AM64....
I don't want to doubt Dells power on Intel, but we have to consider this.
it may be offtopic, but in europe xbox1 gets modded a lot. And IMHO it's about 5% modding it for playing "pirated games".
Again: In general you mod xbox'es _not_ for playing pirated games.
You mod it for this:
http://www.xboxmediacenter.de/
and for this
http://www.xbox-emulation.co.uk/
But this undermines your freedom of doing whatever you like. If you install a shareware with spyware attached, and they inform you with the EULA, it is your own freedom to do so. In fact "You wanted the Software".
Do you really think because you're able to insert a cd, click "install" and "start" microsoft word makes your opinion of value to anybody?
If you wanna talk linux, talk linux.
We dont need MS Word Install-Professionals to tell us the better way, we're way ahead!
Think about it.
Do you _really_ know how much effort you have to take to keep an XP-Installation clean?
That means that _only_ IT controlls the machine, and not claria, ms or doubleclick.
There is a bunch of crappy software you have to use.
Anti-Virus, anti-spyware,personal-crap-firewall and so on.
Just _one_ of the recent Anti-Virus Kids _double_ your startup time and _double_ the workload on the machine. In fact it is _impossible_ to develop on such machines. Just when it gets to all the ports this auto-update crap needs to keep the clicky-fucky crap up to date it gets ridiculous!!!
The only way is to turn that fuck of completely. Switch to more reasonable Software and do what you are paid for.
There is no way with MS. Period.
point 1 is valid. but not to forget that we talk about software you eventually don't even need, but get anyway (like the rest of the crap in xp)
2. just a waste of hdd space. that's all. the user musn't muck up his system! how's that gonna fit to point 7??!?!
3.this is no firewall. it's a so called "personal-" or "desktop firewall". they provide no protection, they do nothing besides breaking new holes (see win32.witty etc...)
4. correct.
5. driver question
6. driver question
7. windows did not make it to real multiuser enviroments. a user, a pc. that's 99% the case.
anyone here knows it better that windows could, but we all know that the apps won't.so....
in fact XP ist just a 2k with a lot of crap and shit and useless -and dangerous- stuff (like the desktop firewall).
there is in fact a reason why people ask why they should switch anyways. Additionally you have to mention that windows 2000 knows directX too.
This is justr the peak of the iceberg!
BBS'es are nodes in a huge network. Most users accessed them by special client programms (crosspoint etc....).
regards
marco
Somehow i still don't get it.
;)
In the last months i had several Situations where to decide which distri to take.
In a larger project i was at, we took sles8 and rhel.
There had to be setup several small machines with "standard installation". Allthough we didn't need X or such, the machines where full with unneeded software. And the packages we really worked with had to be built by ourself anyway because the pre-packaged versions where fairly old.
So where is the clue now?
I get Distributions rather inflexible with no packet management at all (as mandrake or debian) and too old Software so i have to build and package it myself anyways....
If you start to build your own stuff, you fall out of the supporters update cycle anyhow, so what is the right descision here?
Next Project i had was getting smb-Servers to authenticate to an ADS Domain. I needed a very recent version of samba/winbind/kerberos so i took a sarge hoping it will be declared "stable" somehwen in the next few months.
I hope you get the problem
we sell automobiles and emotions. A 1980 Honda civic will never get the status a mercedes benz (same age) has.
Allthough the rice cookies are reliable and cheap (in fact they are not cheap, compare a mercedes cdi engine with a rice cookie), there is a good reason there are still cars built for real men.
The point is that good rockets do not change that at all. And rice drivers allways fighting against this prejudice proves it right.
regards from germany (aka 'das Automobilland')
marco
that this advantage is turned over, after you played the same tape 5 times in the 20-year-old cassette deck.
Oh, and what a funny fact: it behaves the same if you do it on a brand new one.
die analog recordings, die!
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if you have software on youre machine you dont want, why do you install it anyway? And if you have "no chance" in avoiding it, then think about why you get really silly now.
>Winamp - disable anon statistics at setup and use max version 3.x >Media Player Classic - best videoplayer out there OSS wrong, mplayer is. plays more runs anywhere. >Abiword - word processor OSS Problems with Word files. Use openoffice. >eMule - like kazaa only better mldonkey, like emule, only better (and all networks btw) >CoreFTP - better than filezilla smartftp beats it. >Ad Aware - spybot not needed really. AA catches just about everything now if you need this, you should not talk about software,kid. And if you think that was good soft you mentioned, you dont have a clue what you get in the linux world... ;)
1. java is not slow, swing is. Poeple that dont know the difference should not make any IT decisions. Period. Swing is the reason why java gui apps run anywhere (no, this is not a myth). But you dont have to use it, there are alternatives. See "swt" and/or "gcj".
.NET Runtime has to be started also.
2. You dont need twice as much ram to boot java. the actual VMs share the loaded vm code for later on started java apps. Your
3. Stop fucking using Excel and start openoffice.org!
merry christmas.
sitting on the couch i can watch all apple.com movie trailers on my fingertips. Furthermore i have imdb lookup and access to a really big movie archive over ethernet. oh, i have linksbox to surf the net and read my emails, all from the couch. i can listen to internet radio, record it, can make screenshots in movies, make bookmarks and watch (of course) DD5.1 movies with spdif output on the xbox. ;)
this is the future boys. in fact its the past, but too few people know it
okok, to get this straight.
:
:
i have two devices here
- xbox + 120gb hdd and xbmc
this puts me in position to sit on the couch and have _all_ "king of queens" and "married with children" episodes available on my fingertip.
I can watch dvds, i can watch xvids with multiple audio streams i have spdif....
this is something you all (except the pvr people) will never get!! stay on the side and start whining now.
second device
- nokia dbox2 with softcam and ethernet.
how do you watch 3000 crypted channels then?
do you bey a pvr with cam modules for a 1000 bucks ?
i laugh about you (except pvr people), and i laugh about people buying this crap and start getting tears when they see my "installation".
oh and xbmc users do have this since years, you just talk about it today.
http://ftp.sh.cvut.cz/MIRRORS/Mandrake/people/svet ljo/mandrake
xorg_6.8_rc4 can be found there for 10.0 and cooker (use "probably_broken" dir). i think 6.8 final will get there soon.
this is running here fine.
first of all :
besides the whole zone-concept is a big laugh, and besides it is an even more big laugh (which is nearly impossible to achieve) to "expand" this paradigm to the filesystem (what in fact has not been done, but will not be communicated either), we get to a point we're talking.
So now that we pointed out that all this is absolute crap anyway, the article on heise shows up that the concept has no flaws, but in fact hard bugs.
if a programm uses this mechanism to determine the "safety" of a file, it could get wrong data.
Period.
This has absolutely nothing to do with "will not be exploited from remote".
and is the best media/dvd player you can get, and runs linux and and and..... some people just don't get it ;) let them be happy with their toys.
regards from germany
i second your opinion that this guys statement is of no relevant impact whatsoever for OSS. But i do not share the opinion the the coding guys are the only ones making the difference. First do not forget Software is used by _many_ more people than it is written by. And second the Software with the most users is often the one with the most developers attached. Think about it.
no, he just asumes that good coders shit binary packages. and that bad linux terrorists invented the source files to irritate us all.
this discussion is getting soooo boring. first of all. When talking about software installation in linux. I exclude all distributions that do not have a built-in default packaging system with huge online repositories. reason is simple. Without this system you never get the job done. Wether you want to install "stable" software, or install new software, or want to install dev packages for compiling software, there is no way to get the job done without these systems. So two distributions drop. Suse, fedora -> bye bye. Even if they do have uprmi now. It doesn't mean someones gonna take care about the server side, which means fewer people will install it, which means fewer people take care on the server side.....this will never change if a distro does not make it mandatory. and i can hear the people saying "but you may do this and that". i will tell you something. Visit your suse or fedora neighbour and look how he is handling his software. You can see his blinking eyes when ne suse boxes show up.... this is reality, not some sort of theory-discussion. Now to the terribly broken packages in debian and co. I had a problem last week. My Lotus notes didn't work because i was using a bleeding edge version of wine. so ? I took the version from the stable repos and my problems where solved (mandrake here). I don't get the problem here. You say there are (in your opinion) terribly broken Packages which makes your point refusing _any_ packaging system ? ok, i had to look for "libwine" and "wine". And nobody's gonna tell you you need both if you don't know yourself. This is a flaw. Yes. But for gods sake, it's no reason to fall back into manually installation (as in suse). And in fact it is not that bad as you describe it. Most of the packages i came accross where packaged quite ok. And the two or three not so ok, does not make urpmi and/or apt way ahead of even windows software installation. marco
automated package managers and installers need to have only repositories available with either stable and or bleeding edge softwar available. Fedora and Suse do _NOT_ have such systems. They just let you install the stuff over the internet which is on their install-cds anyways! This is first of all no help and second of all a pain in the ass. So quit using fedora and/or suse and quit whining.
look here boy : ----snip---- [root@mstracktp init.d]# urpmi mythtv ftp://plf.time4t.net/pub/plf/mandrake/10.0/i586/my thtv-0.14-5plf.i586.rpm
--snip--------
this is how software installation in modern distribution looks like ( that does _not_ include fedora and suse).
Oh, and up to date kernel binaries and sources are also as easy to install as it can be, with all modules pre compiled. You just have to use em.
what else do you want ? And if there is no driver, it's not linux fault.