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Useful Apps for First-Time Windows Users?

pauljoyce asks: "I'm a Mac fan who is intrigued by the possibilities of Apple's Boot Camp software. Now that I have a chance to painlessly dip into the Windows world, what I'd like to ask you is, what Windows software amazes you? I want to build a list of unique, elegant, can't-do-without apps, so all us new Boot-Camp babies can finally experience some of the great innovation happening over on the Windows platform. I roughed in a quick blogpage to collect the info, and to house any useful discussions. It'll probably deteriorate into a flame war at some point, but hopefully I can get a few contributions to each category before then. Would those interested please chime in with their list of favorites?"

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  1. flame war? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Asking slashdot for must have windows apps? Nah...

    1. Re:flame war? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      sounds to me like a veiled MS advertisement. "Now that you can boot windows, look at all the innovation you're missing out on the mac side!". The keyword leading me to this being innovation ;)

    2. Re:flame war? by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Must be hurting for a flame war... Nevertheless, everyone one knows that the must have Windows software is 1) firewall, 2) antivirus, 3) anti-spyware, and 4) minesweeper.

    3. Re:flame war? by accelleron · · Score: 1, Insightful

      First-time Windows users?
      Isn't that an oxymoron?

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    4. Re:flame war? by arose · · Score: 1

      A long time ago these boxes had some life in them (show old apple logo), it has been fading (fading to new apple logo). For years these boring white boxes (cut to new macs) have been runing a little colorless operating system (zoom in to screen with stripes and brushed metal). Boot (screen fades to Vista loading screen with giant Windows logo) some color into it (Vista loads with a colorful wallpaper)! Windows on a Macintosh, just imagine the possibilities...

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    5. Re:flame war? by hackwrench · · Score: 2, Informative

      Dictionary:
      http://wordweb.info/

      Search to replace Windows crippled search, though Desktop search may be better:
      http://www.mythicsoft.com/agentransack/

      New to me, but have been wanting since before XP:
      http://schinagl.priv.at/nt/hardlinkshellext/hardli nkshellext.html Video editing:
      http://www.virtualdub.org/
      Notepad replacement:
      http://notepad-plus.sourceforge.net/

      And of course Firefox and OpenOffice, but those are available for other systems, oh and VideoLan Client (VLC)
      For programming: (also available for Linux)
      http://www.freebasic.net/

      You also may want to check out my learning japanese apps post:
      http://ask.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=182351&cid =15073257

    6. Re:flame war? by Kickboy12 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Not really. Perhaps you were thinking of the term "Microsoft Works".

    7. Re:flame war? by aichpvee · · Score: 0

      I always like a good malware removal suite.

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    8. Re:flame war? by ozmanjusri · · Score: 5, Funny
      Must be hurting for a flame war.

      That's not how you start a flame war.

      The only must have Windows software is fdisk.
      Now THAT'S how you start a flame war...
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    9. Re:flame war? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ah, but you forget the trusted combo of del and format!

      "I shall now commense to delve my considerable script fu powers upon this unsuspecting installation of xp. It'll never know what hit it."

    10. Re:flame war? by PAjamian · · Score: 1

      You forgot knoppix ... for disaster recovery.

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    11. Re:flame war? by osmin626 · · Score: 1

      ...everyone one knows that the must have Windows software is 1) firewall, 2) antivirus, 3) anti-spyware, and 4) minesweeper.

      You forgot 5) solitaire...

    12. Re:flame war? by The+Snowman · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I think the key here is that he is looking for innovative software that runs on Windows. Not necessarily Microsoft software. For example, Firefox and Thunderbird work in Windows just fine, although I don't consider either one particularly innovative. There are thousands upon thousands of programs that run in Windows. A very small portion of these are written by Microsoft. He is looking for the rest.

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    13. Re:flame war? by tsa · · Score: 1

      That's not funny. That's true!

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    14. Re:flame war? by Duds · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Exactly, they knew full well it was going to turn into

      Modded 5 : funny.

      So even if they wanted serious answers it was naive to think they'd get them.

      That said, AVG for antivirus, run firefox so you don't need anything for spyware.

      get Desktop Earth for your background because it looks really cool.

      Get power menu to help control always on top windows etc

      Get Snagt for screenshots.

      Get newsleecher for news

      Get SmartFTP for FTP

      Get Winamp for media (or VLC if you must)

      Don't get itunes. The PC version is hideous compared to the mac one and in this scenario you already have OS-X.

      And remember that a surprising number of the apps you use on OS-X, and possibly Linux, have ports. Open Office, Putty, VLC, Firefox etc.

    15. Re:flame war? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Freecell!! Only idiots play solitaire!

    16. Re:flame war? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      yeah disaster recovery...

      dd of=/dev/hda | sed -r 's/NTFS/EXT2/g' | dd if=/dev/hda
      that should fix most windows problems....

    17. Re:flame war? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      crap, swap the of and if!!
      when is slashdot going to introduce EDIT?!

    18. Re:flame war? by Tappy · · Score: 1

      Could this be a first! A microsoft piece of sofware rated in the top 4 most important things for windoze users on Slashdot?

    19. Re:flame war? by cp.tar · · Score: 1

      Fdisk is enough.

      Format cannot create any format save FAT and NTFS, so it is irrelevant. Partitions deleted by fdisk need no separate delete command, so delete is also irrelevant.

      By the way, has Microsoft fixed their dreadful fdisk? The last time I used their fdisk instead of the one from a Linux install CD, it still checked the whole drive every single time you did anything - so certain operations checked the disk about three times in total.

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    20. Re:flame war? by alexhs · · Score: 3, Funny

      First-time Windows users?
      Isn't that an oxymoron?


      Some Slashdotters have no window in their basement :)

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    21. Re:flame war? by Vicsun · · Score: 1

      On a more serious note, I can think of two "must have" (for me) applicatoins that Windows has but lack on OSX. Firstly uTorrent. There's no equivalent on OSX and every single other torrent client is miles behind uTorrent.
      Secondly, Foobar2000 - an extremely customizable database-driven music player with an insanely small memory footprint. It puts iTunes to shame. Take a look at this thread at the hydrogen audio forums to get an idea of just how customizable this program is. And remember, that's just the UI you're seeing, there's tons more that can be tweaked behind the scenes. Whenever I need to use iTunes, I feel like I have my hands tied behind my back.
      Did I mention Foobar has a terribly small memory footprint too?

    22. Re:flame war? by jdcook · · Score: 1

      What about edlin?

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    23. Re:flame war? by moro_666 · · Score: 1, Informative

      now when i boot to windows ...

      install 3 different versions of anti spyware things , a virus scanner,
      disable everything that makes windows comfortable.

      i guess my first app would be old-timer total commander, then cygwin ;)

      but just for the start, the updates of the windows will make you restart the machine at least 5-7 times before the machine gets all it done :D

      and they're telling me that installing linux is time consuming and difficult, pffffft

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    24. Re:flame war? by Cal+Paterson · · Score: 1

      uTorrent is inferior to rTorrent, IMO. rtorrent generally beats uTorrent on performance (try using some of the performance improvements documented on the performance tuning page. It's also open, free, and runs on unix. I haven't personally seen a client that I like more.

    25. Re:flame war? by rizole · · Score: 1

      You were close there, just loose the oxy prefix and you've hit the nail on the head.

    26. Re:flame war? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      either.

      only idiots run windows.

    27. Re:flame war? by tomcres · · Score: 3, Funny
      fdisk? Wow, that is soooo Windows 98... :)

      These days, you have to right-click on My Computer, select Manage, then use the Microsoft Management Console to select Storage Management, then manage your partitions there. Windows XP.. it's all about the eXPerience!

    28. Re:flame war? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      not sure about the "oxy" part.

    29. Re:flame war? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're better off using Symantec's Gdisk program (you get it with ghost, or "other" places for download).
      Faster, more efficient and has such features as data erase where you can write over the disk using random combinations of 0's and 1's or patterns, several times.

    30. Re:flame war? by theonetruekeebler · · Score: 5, Funny
      No, this is:
      The only must have Windows software is fdisk.

      So you can get rid of Linux?

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    31. Re:flame war? by BishonenAngstMagnet · · Score: 1

      Get SmartFTP for FTP You sir, are wrong. Please check out FileZilla. I've used both, and since using FileZilla, I've never wanted another FTP client.

    32. Re:flame war? by kubevubin · · Score: 1

      It's likely someone's way of trying to point out how much more difficult Windows is to set up when compared to Linux or Mac OS. I wouldn't be surprised. Although that's probably the point to this being on Slashdot, especially, I submitted a list, anyway. Why? Because once my computer is populated with the apps that I suggested, it's good to go. I reformat my computer at least once every two months, so it isn't that bad.

    33. Re:flame war? by CastrTroy · · Score: 1

      What fun is a card game that you win every time you play? That's why I like solitaire. It's actually somewhat of an accomplishment to win.

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    34. Re:flame war? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A toss up between fdisk and format c:

      although, often "debug.exe" is quite useful. I know when I first
      started on Winder's, I had to use it all the time to get apps
      that required those stupid dongles to run without them. They
      were really inconvenient.

    35. Re:flame war? by CastrTroy · · Score: 1

      I find the best torrent client is bittorrent-curses. Runs with minimal resources, and has lots of options for tuning your upload speed, ports, and other options. I don't really see the need for a flashy GUI. I'm sure someone will point out how nice bittorrent-headless is, but I like having some display of what's going on. I've tried other clients, and I don't find them any more useful.

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    36. Re:flame war? by totoanihilation · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Hey
      I don't mean to start a flame war here, but none of these apps are worth dual-booting for. They're mostly apps to "fix" windows, and small utilities. There are awesome equivalents for OSX. So what's the point?

    37. Re:flame war? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      FireFTP for friefox would be better than SamrtFTP. ... because it'd be the same for every OS.

    38. Re:flame war? by Ravenscall · · Score: 1

      I'm allergic to the sun you insensitive clod!

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    39. Re:flame war? by Pulse_Instance · · Score: 1

      An edit could be implemented but they probably won't allow Anonymous Coward to edit anyways so your still screwed if they allow edit.

    40. Re:flame war? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Get Miranda for IM (free + open source + customisable as hell), like a more experimental version of Adium that's less stable but can do more.

      Get MediaPlayerClassic + RealPlayer Alternative + QuickTime Alternative + Combined Community Codec Pack for a fast and minimal setup that plays most video formats with excellent softsub support that you won't see in OSX.

      WinAMP is pretty good but if you find it lacking and want to do more or you want to really customise it, try foobar2k. Steep learning curve but very rewarding and does many things iTunes can't.

      Get uTorrent for fast and powerful bittorrent client with DHT, header-encryption, file-selection, etc. Again, nothing you can find for OSX.

      Get xplorer2 lite for a tabbed double-pane file browser. Soft of like Path Finder but with two panes and much faster.

      Lastly, if you have cygwin installed for the command line and you want something prettier and more customisable than xrvt, try console - you can use it with cmd.exe, bash, zsh, etc.

    41. Re:flame war? by jt007 · · Score: 1

      Although it is claimed that every game of Freecell can be won, try going File > Select Game and entering -1 as your game. Beat that if you can!

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    42. Re:flame war? by swv3752 · · Score: 1

      Where's the purple color scheme? The only useful innovative apps for Windows are games. Why else would you want to dual boot a mac into a lesser OS like Windows? Otherwise you would put a good OS like Linux.

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    43. Re:flame war? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      XP = eXtra Painful

      Can't use xp to remove an partion with XP on it. SOrry get your floppy...

    44. Re:flame war? by cp.tar · · Score: 1

      That still doesn't answer my question: Is Microsoft's fdisk still as crappy as before?

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    45. Re:flame war? by imsabbel · · Score: 1

      thats YOUR _OPPINION_.
      I went from filezilla to smartFTP and never went back.
      So obviously you are wrong, right?

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    46. Re:flame war? by Echnin · · Score: 1
      Media Player Classic is absolutely a must. VLC on OS X plays *most* video codecs and displays *most* softsubs, but there are certain times it just *doesn't* work. For codecs and subs I'm actually running ffdshow, so any player will do, but one great feature of MPC to me is that it has a quick option to scale video for 16:9 screens that are running 4:3 resolutions, such as WS SDTVs, and when toggled this also applies to the full-screen video overlay. Now I'm really straying off topic, but does anyone know if ffdshow has a similar function to scale to non-square-pixel-displays?

      As for music players, I'd wager the dual-booter would prefer staying in OS X for this function. On the subject, though, I agree iTunes isn't perfect, but the music sharing feature is a great plus; I use it to access my Windows box' music from my music-less iBook (30 GB HDD). I really can't think of any great apps to dual-boot into Windows for other than the media players and games. It's true that uTorrent is great, but Azureus has almost as many features, admittedly with worse performance. File-selection in particular is one feature they share which I can't do without. A more interesting Ask Slashdot would be for Windows users switching to Mac; I'd have plenty of recommendations (Adium, Colloquy, MS' RDC, Omnioutliner, probably more if I got thinking).

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    47. Re:flame war? by NickFitz · · Score: 1

      When they get rid of Preview?

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    48. Re:flame war? by griffjon · · Score: 1

      Winamp for mp3s, VLC for videos I'd say. I never liked winamp's video player, and VLC is just, well, VLC.

      I also recommend:

      *Cygwin (no, seriously, for sshd into windows if nothing else!!)
      *trillian for chat (or GAIM)
      *WinPT (do handle GPG without command lining it, which is fine for OSes with good CLI, but WinXP is not one of those)
      *7-zip - handles most compression formats
      *RegScrubXP - keep your registry a bit cleaner

      Also, and I don't know about y'all guys, but I just 3 the Comet Cursor, and Bonzai Buddy, and this Gator thing that helps me keep track of important private information!!!! OMG I love the pretty shiney!! more plzzzzz~11!!!eleven!!

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    49. Re:flame war? by Sylver+Dragon · · Score: 1

      AVG for antivirus - Definite Must!
      run firefox so you don't need anything for spyware - WTF, over? While IE is *a* source for spyware, I've cleaned enough systems of spyware, which ran FireFox to know that this is bullshit. FireFox will still download WeatherBug, and you can still install it, and it will still fuck your system with spyware. I love FF for tabs and the AdBlock extension, but let's not say it will fix spyware when it won't.
      Desktop Earth for your background because it looks really cool - XPlanet beats Deasktop Earth, hand down. Though, this will probably change over time.
      The rest is a pretty good list though.

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    50. Re:flame war? by Imsdal · · Score: 1
      Although it is claimed that every game of Freecell can be won, try going File > Select Game and entering -1 as your game. Beat that if you can!

      It isn't claimed. In fact, one of the original game #s, 11,982, isn't solvable either.

      That said, the help file still says "It is believed (although not proven) that every game is winnable", but that is both untrue and technically different from statting that it is claimed.

    51. Re:flame war? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey
      I don't mean to start a flame war here, but none of these apps are worth dual-booting for. They're mostly apps to "fix" windows, and small utilities. There are awesome equivalents for OSX. So what's the point?


      Since the topic is "Useful Apps for First-Time Windows Users", is it safe to assume that you recommend "lilo"?

    52. Re:flame war? by Phred+T.+Magnificent · · Score: 1

      I don't mean to start a flame war here, but none of these apps are worth dual-booting for. They're mostly apps to "fix" windows, and small utilities. There are awesome equivalents for OSX. So what's the point?

      Actually, that is the point. Unless you're looking for PC games or specific, niche applications, or you need to do multi-platform testing, there really isn't any good reason to dual-boot. Your Mac can do everything else very well on its own.

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    53. Re:flame war? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      No, this is:
      The only must have Windows software is fdisk.

      So you can get rid of Linux?


      Try it ;)
    54. Re:flame war? by peacefinder · · Score: 2, Funny

      Come on, mods. That there is a post worthy of +5 Flamebait. Make it happen for the man.

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    55. Re:flame war? by timster · · Score: 1

      "fdisk" has been deprecated. Now you use Disk Administrator, which is better than fdisk was.

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    56. Re:flame war? by jafac · · Score: 2, Informative

      What about Cygwin? Don't forget Cygwin! Windows is unbearable without Cygwin!

      (screw that SFU garbage - if you even moderately secure your system, their service just hangs on startup without even the courtesy of an error message).

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    57. Re:flame war? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ROTFLMAO! unless you have an old copy of hsect nearby...

    58. Re:flame war? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      See, this is exactly why it's so hard for me to switch to OSX -- there's nothing specifically for OSX that drives me to switch. I tried...I really really tried to use and understand OSX but in the end, it doesn't appeal to me, nor do I feel it's "better" than WinXP. I think Apple has awesome (though slightly overpriced) hardware. But those people proclaiming how OSX is so much better than WinXP....well, I don't see it.

    59. Re:flame war? by Tarkadot · · Score: 1

      Sure it's winnable
      CTRL+SHIFT+F10 is your friend :)

    60. Re:flame war? by cyber0ne · · Score: 1

      run firefox so you don't need anything for spyware

      This is just like those Dell commercials which say "and upgrade to our anti-virus package, all you need to protect you from viruses and spyware." I'm sorry, but it's statements like that which only serve to further the problem of malicious software on the internet. Security is a process, not a product. Stop telling people that "if you run this software, you'll be absolutely protected" because some people actually listen to garbage like that.

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    61. Re:flame war? by Zen · · Score: 1

      It hasn't gone away from the standpoint that I believe he is talking about. When you build a new windows computer, you either have to boot off a windows cd and use their builtin fdisk utility (which doesn't give you many options about what file system you want to create), or you still have to use the dos based app from a windows 98 bootdisk. This is still the most common form of drive partitioning that I use (and most of my friends as well). Create a boot and an extended partition in there, and there's no need to ever go into Disk Administrator once you boot into Windows unless you add an extra harddrive that wasn't there originally. So yes, fdisk is still broken, it still scans the entire drive, etc. But I actually like that it scans it, at least once. I prefer to know if I have any bad sectors before I build an OS on a box than just to have it crash later on. It does seem to take forever though.

    62. Re:flame war? by XO · · Score: 1

      seriously? utorrent is the only torrent client i've seen that got me more than about 20k/sec.. i routinely peg 600k+/sec with utorrent. :D

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    63. Re:flame war? by joeyblades · · Score: 1

      > Don't get itunes. The PC version is hideous compared to the mac one

      Huh? They are virtually identical.
      I've tried dozens of audio players for Windows and they all bog down when the CPU is cranking away (by "bog down" I mean they stop playing for various intervals), but iTunes tends to bog down less than the other ones I've tried.

    64. Re:flame war? by jez9999 · · Score: 1

      And...

      FileZilla.

      Amazingly well-written OSS app that supports secure FTP via SSH2, which is actually pretty rare yet very useful. Go grab it.

      (yes, I know it works on other platforms, but it works very nicely on Windows)

    65. Re:flame war? by hawk · · Score: 1

      Why, for the same reason they put VW engines into corvetetes, of course . . . :)

      hawk

    66. Re:flame war? by WeblionX · · Score: 1

      Why just loosen the prefix? Might as well take it off all together.

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    67. Re:flame war? by Em+Adespoton · · Score: 1

      Hmm... hadn't heard of this... from the dependencies list, it appears like it should compile fine on OS X... anyone tried it?

    68. Re:flame war? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      On the subject of spyware etc... anyone know a reliable (and free) reg cleaner?? Thanks

    69. Re:flame war? by scumdamn · · Score: 1
      I totally don't care about the conversation going on.

      But your sig is freakin' excellent. Thanks.

    70. Re:flame war? by Chuq · · Score: 1

      Well I went from WS_FTP to CuteFTP to SmartFTP to FlashFXP to several in between very quickly.. and have now settled on FileZilla - its excellent.

      So I guess democratically, you're wrong!

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    71. Re:flame war? by poolmeister · · Score: 2, Informative

      Windows bashing aside a sec (not that use it myself or anything, god forbid!) there is a bunch of freeware/OSS links over at nethomehelp.co.uk for Windows n00bs.

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    72. Re:flame war? by cp.tar · · Score: 1

      Oh, I don't mind it scanning the drive once. I do mind it scanning the drive thrice for a single operation... it suggests sloppy programming - in the sense "we're not sure we can make a program that'll create a partition properly, so we'll have it scan everything every single time the user presses a key."

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    73. Re:flame war? by Grant29 · · Score: 1

      Cywin might not be good for a first time windows user, but I agree with you it's a must have app. I install it on every PC I use right away. I constantly use ls, grep, split, wget, etc... It makes it easier for me when going back and forth from windows to linux.
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    74. Re:flame war? by psic · · Score: 1

      Must have windows software? The only software that is 'must-have' when working on a computer with windows installed is Damn Small Linux. Ok, Kanotix also works well :)

  2. What software amazes me? by AKAImBatman · · Score: 3, Funny

    Now that I have a chance to painlessly dip into the Windows world, what I'd like to ask you is, what Windows software amazes you?

    Java. Because it means that I can move the hell off of Windows and use a Mac instead.

    Whoops. Did I just say that out loud? :-P

    1. Re:What software amazes me? by Rei · · Score: 1

      On the same line of thought, I was thinking loadlin. ;)

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    2. Re:What software amazes me? by catwh0re · · Score: 5, Insightful
      I'm finding this a remarkable piece of poorly thought out PR.

      Let's take a realistic point of view. We have a computer user who seems to be well experienced. They even have a nicely designed blog online where you can write in your favourite Windows-only applications. Yet they claim that they have never been a windows user before (Making me wonder where they have been for the past 10+ years where windows has been the ubiquitous consumer & business software platform.)

      Now let us pretend for a moment that this actually is some computer user who has already mastered implementing RSS+Atom into their blog, yet simultaneously never even noticed that Windows has existed alongside the Mac OS, nor ever even dabbled in it until the release of boot camp last week(I can hardly imagine them rushing out to a store and purchasing a copy of MS Windows for their not-even year old Intel Mac) So why would they be interested in beta software like MS Max? (Which is really only ever going to be as good as last years version of Apple's iLife?) And why is it that their top 10 Mac apps seem to resemble the top rated list from macupdate.com.

      Now lets come back to the real world: If you haven't dabbled in windows ever then you're either a recent jail escapee or very good at digging one's own head deeply into sand. This story doesn't add up, and is coinciding with a new wave of windows advertising. Which is fairly interesting as it's before a major release is due. I think our friends in Redmond are just trying to peddle off some Windows sales. Now excuse me I have to drink coffee with a pretty lady from getty-images.

    3. Re:What software amazes me? by Trejkaz · · Score: 1

      Yet they claim that they have never been a windows user before (Making me wonder where they have been for the past 10+ years where windows has been the ubiquitous consumer & business software platform.)

      Maybe they have been developing for Linux? I know plenty of people who only experienced Windows relatively recently. UNIXes, after all, are heavily taught in universities.

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    4. Re:What software amazes me? by AKAImBatman · · Score: 1

      Why would you want to install the worst text editor known to mankind on your... err...

      Oh wait. You said loadlin. My bad. :-P

    5. Re:What software amazes me? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yep, and even if it's not MS trying to advertise on Slashdot, then it's even worse - another damn Slashdot story that promotes some guy's blog.

      If you want interesting conversations like this, there's only 30k blogs on the web to choose from... And oh BTW, Google is probably a more useful tool than a blog (or Slashdot for that matter) is at finding good software for any OS.

      Lame "article."

    6. Re:What software amazes me? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Compilers & backends that can use them:

      Delphi 7.x
      Microsoft Visual Studio 2005
      SQL Server 2005
      Internet Information Server 6.x

      Why? To make a living from it! Why not, right??

      * That toolset above, on Microsoft Windows Server 2003???

      All a body needs to create software... of really ANY kind!

      So, why run what others wrote ONLY, when you can write stuff for yourself, OR for others to pay you for (such as companies that need software who are willing to pay you for such work)?

      * :)

      After all - imo @ least, get PAID for doing what you love & understand, & once you understand that toolset & OS it runs on (preferred being Windows Server 2003), heck: You've got all of that licked!

      APK

      P.S.=> Making yourself able to earn a buck for building lego constructs (albeit complex ones @ times - & yes, it is ALMOST like that today with object oriented tools & classes) is big fun (in a "nerdy/geeky way"), & definitely a daily challenge (especially with larger/longer projects, but, those DO come with the holy-terror: deadlines) & a general rush once you see them go into production handling data that can touch on millions of dollars & all sorts of information...

      I can tell anyone reading this, it's pretty satisfying - like being a digital carpenter more-or-less, building electric furniture on order, or custom made for yourself!

      Especially when you get to see your systems run bulletproof & bugfree & truly be the "elegantly designed" ones folks here mentioned IN WINDOWS no less (yes, Linux-Penguins, it IS doable on ANY software platform - Windows included, always has been & it's WHY Windows is ontop - Ms & Borland for example, give you excellent toolkits for it).

      Tools you build on those foundations above work for thin & thick client, multi-tier, & web + locally run applications as well (from driver & kernel level apps, to services, to smallish utilities all the way up to the huge distributed systems levels)...

      Apps you design & build, on any of those levels can even improve (when you have time to do so, & you usually DO think of things like that over time as well, trick is fitting in the time to implement it once you start taking on others projects that is)...

      After all, if you wrote it? You have the source, Luke (lol)...

      Especially since you built them yourself & they do what they have to, hopefully making you money in the process?? Well, You have nearly FULL control (with Delphi, even with the source to the compilers' code even) & can even mod/improve what you initially built, time consuming, but worth it, especially if you get paid for it imo!

      It can even be fun & somewhat interesting imo...

      I have been @ it for 15 years almost as a pro, you learn more, everday (I still do) & that to me, although a hassle @ times, is still FUN in a strange kind of way - you have to be somewhat of a curiousity seeker & scientist of sorts @ heart though, imo, to enjoy it as a trade.

      Anyhow/anyways - Life's what you make it, & if you do it RIGHT with computers (assuming you choose it as a career endeavor), you make money @ it & I personally recommend programming + the tools I use above & tend to prefer for their power & flexibility on Win32 & .NET platforms...

      It just takes time to learn/master it to that level where you get paid well for it is all imo, & usually starting pay for IS/IT/MIS coders is pretty good, it has the MOST possibility in it since no 2 companies IS/IT/MIS systems & data are EVER the same structure - surface area in this end of the field?

      Huge... probably limitless really.

      That said, so, you really might as well make it doing it with tools that are really flexible & powerful, using multiple API's (Win32/.NET) & RAD tools, they are good stuff, & that is the toolset I recommend & use (with other things like Access (e

    7. Re:What software amazes me? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...Lots of Rambling... And Rambling... And Rambling... And Some More Rambling... Don't Forget a Side of Rambling... All Leading Up to the Conclusion...

      You can do the same thing in Java, but on a Mac or Linux box! w00t!

    8. Re:What software amazes me? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Can you build drivers in java?

      APK

    9. Re:What software amazes me? by lmlloyd · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I have worked with a LOT of designers, artists, video professionals, and even web developers who have REFUSED to ever work on anything but a Mac, and have never used Windows for more than a few minutes. It always amazes me, but I have found myself in situations more times that I can count, where as the one guy in the studio who has ever touched a PC, I have to explain all sorts of simple things, because they don't know the first thing about Windows.

    10. Re:What software amazes me? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fuck the drivers. Build your goddamned operating system in it!

    11. Re:What software amazes me? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Java is too slow for OS today imo...

      Its performance being interpreted is why...

      Same with .NET though (but, there is always Win32 for performance, it may not be 'managed' but it is proven AND does do drivers as well as high performance OS).... you may wish to look up SINGULARITY by Microsoft though, an OS built in pure managed code afaik nearly totally if not all done so!

      Still, are drivers doable in java?

      APK

      P.S.=> And, as far as Linux, Delphi/Kylix have that down with Win32 (since you brought up being multiplatform, & well written C/C++ is also)...

      The ONLY compiled code that performs well on all levels/mainstream OS that is truly a single fairly easily ported source (barring things like diff.'s in IP realted calls & driveletters vs. devicemounts) that's easily ported AND outperforms java (as well as being able to write many more types of code with it) is RealBasic afaik!

      Plus, & it's faster (although doubtful it's as fast as Delphi &/or C-C++) & more flexible overall than Java... no questions asked.

      Delphi, C/C++, & Assembler most certainly are (more capable & faster performers), little doubt of that...

      There's times java is useful, but performance isn't one of them for all types of apps, which is why the languages I mention are superior to it overall, they are more flexible & produce faster performing code... apk

    12. Re:What software amazes me? by Ashinberry · · Score: 1

      No, but amazingly enough you can write C in OS X or Linux.

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    13. Re:What software amazes me? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't forget C++, or Assembly... :)

      APK

      P.S.=> I would not want to attempt ports of things with only "partially" done macros or headers though using C++ with diff. compilers for MacOS X, Linux, OR Win32 based OS though.

      (Sometimes you have to do your own writes of those things, because for instance MSVC written code doesn't target ALL OS, but others compilers do, but what if their base lib referral API headers aren't complete for all 3 of the major PC-class type systems aren't fully done? You are either stuck writing that level of code yourself, or finding completed ports hoping they are solid between ALL of those OS types)...

      Hence, lol, nor would I want to do driver programming BETWEEN OS types either!

      Hence, why I stick to user-mode coding & info. systems! It makes me a living on them... talking to them ALL if need be... how?

      (WELL, if I need to talk to all of those OS, I would do that via a browser instead & this is where .NET is the MOST useful to me in combination with javascript - the web's a USEFUL medium in this manner, allowing for 'cross-platform coding' in a very real way: It allows for server-side served applications that ANY OS can see (barring the use of ActiveX controls, but many browsers have wrappers for that as well from what I've seen on the wire as well if need be))...

      The toolset combination above that I put out does ALL of that... thus, for programmers, it leaves you literally nearly without limits & unfettered by mere OS diff. constraints for programs of nearly ANY kind, if not any kind (with some work sometimes for ALL types of programs possible concerned, but doable)... apk

    14. Re:What software amazes me? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Java is too slow for OS today imo... Its performance being interpreted is why... you may wish to look up SINGULARITY by Microsoft

      Good God. You're an idiot and a Microsoft fanboi. Is there anything worse?

      Still, are drivers doable in java?

      Lemme see. If you write an operating system in Java, it just might come with device drivers. Maybe? You think? But you go right on thinking that device drivers can't be written in Java. Moron.

      Try pulling your head out of Visual Studio's ass long enough to learn a thing or two about other Operating Systems and Execution Environments. Then you might actually be able to register a nick around here without getting tagged as a know-nothing Microsoft-lover.

    15. Re:What software amazes me? by the+argonaut · · Score: 1

      They even have a nicely designed blog online where you can write in your favourite Windows-only applications.

      I'd bet my left nut that he didn't design the blog himself - it's a TypePad blog. 90% of the blogs in the 'verse seem to just use one of the vanilla templates that come with the blogging software. And the design isn't even that nice.

      Obviously, he's a troll and not a Mac user - real Mac users know how to steal a nice design from somebody else's blog.

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    16. Re:What software amazes me? by Mr.+Slippery · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Yet they claim that they have never been a windows user before (Making me wonder where they have been for the past 10+ years where windows has been the ubiquitous consumer & business software platform.)

      Can't speak for the original querent, but for myself, for the past 10 years I've been in Linux-land and NetBSD-space, avoiding the crappy software distributed by the criminal corporation Microsoft as much as possible.

      The last PC that I owned that ran Microsoft software had Windows 3.1 installed, but I just ran it in DOS mode. I've never owned a machine that ran any version MS Windows as its primary OS.

      I had one job (actually two separate stints at the same place) where I had a Windows box on my desk; I used it only to run Lotus Notes for e-mail (the horror...), Netscape for browsing (this being pre-Firefox), the X server that let me get work done, and MS Word a couple of times (the horror...).

      If you haven't dabbled in windows ever then you're either a recent jail escapee or very good at digging one's own head deeply into sand.

      If you beleive that there aren't people who haven't dabbled in Windows than I must say I think you're the one who's demonstrating extraordinary skill at head-burying.

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    17. Re:What software amazes me? by justin12345 · · Score: 1

      "Now lets come back to the real world: If you haven't dabbled in windows ever then you're either a recent jail escapee or very good at digging one's own head deeply into sand."

      You're crazy. The last version of Windows I installed and used regularly was '95 (in 95-98). Since then its been all Mac, NeXTStep (or OpenStep), and BSD machines. I've never missed it. Most people I know don't use Windows either. Not to long ago I was forced to use XP Home edition for a week, it made me want to throw up all over myself. Now I'm not really digging on XP, but after a decade of UNIX (ok I did use OS9 for a time, it was awful too) it was torture to use. I really love OS X, its simply the best OS I have ever used. I'm intrigued by MS Singularity (are they still calling it that?) though, I might try dual booting that if it ever comes out.

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    18. Re:What software amazes me? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Good God. You're an idiot and a Microsoft fanboi. Is there anything worse?" - by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday April 12, @01:09AM (#15111411)

      Yes, there certainly is - that would be someone like yourself who avoids answering a SIMPLE question (like an ostrich, even PENGUINS (Linux folks) aren't that bad, but you certainly are being so calling names & such).

      QUESTION - are the drivers (ALL drivers for it) for that OS written IN JAVA, as well as its entirety down to all Ring 0/RPL 0 level code? If not?? That OS is NOT totally done in Java... I cannot see how it could be, Java doesn't RUN in RPL 0/Ring 0 operation!

      Others here already stated they cannot be, with good reason, that would be my bottom line in my P.S. no doubt... lol!

      * :)

      So please:

      Just answer that & for ANY/ALL types of drivers necessary, not just API fronts to those written in C/C++ or Assembly level language (or, for kernel level OS code too, thanks).

      Again - No, not just fronts/API's to the drivers (which this appears to be only, not a FULL total implementation but a fronting API toolkit to USB type drivers only), but the drivers & other Ring 0 level/RPL 0 level running code - is this OS written ABSOLUTELY/TOTALLY in Java???

      APK

      P.S.=> " But you go right on thinking that device drivers can't be written in Java. Moron." - by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday April 12, @01:09AM (#15111411)

      I am waiting for an answer to my question above, don't avoid it, just answer it, I could use this type of info.!

      Again/E.G. - are ALL of this OS' drivers can be written in Java, as well as other necessary Ring 0/RPL 0 code for this OS (in other words, is this OS totally written in Java)??

      See, afaik - Java doesn't run in RPL 0/Ring 0 iirc,... So, please just answer the question (before you call anyone names - I would like to know the answer to this - because of Java only running in interpreted mode it is slow by comparison to other languages, & cannot produce Ring 0/RPL 0 level running code because the Java runtime(s) out there (Sun, MS, & any others I don't know about) do/does NOT run there, period)...

      That said - I wonder who the moron is here? For speed, this is NOT an area where it is possible Java can compete with other languages like Delphi &/or C-C++ (or Assembler) & speed's needed at those levels (ring 0/rpl 0/kernel level code), AND for the fact it cannot run in kernel level mode (or Ring 0/RPL 0 mode for drivers either)...

      The toolset combination I mention above does all of that, & on ALL platforms no less, for MANY types of code (via browsers/internet servers via IIS - thus, it can be considered "cross-platform" in a real way since any OS can see code from .NET type code (with javascript if needed) in a browser if need be)... apk

    19. Re:What software amazes me? by jrockway · · Score: 2, Funny

      > Why would you want to install the worst text editor known to mankind on your... err...

      I missed the joke. vi doesn't sound at all like "loadlin". :) :)

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    20. Re:What software amazes me? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Chew on this mac fanboys Java doesnt have open standards and C# does.

    21. Re:What software amazes me? by mikek3332002 · · Score: 1

      Cygwin, it allows you to use open source software that the developers can't be bothered removing posix dependencies for.

    22. Re:What software amazes me? by TaGirl_Keri · · Score: 0

      AC/DC for your Pr0n. Limeware for music. BitTorrent for movies and Total Annihilation/civ3 for games.(civ4sux) That's all computers are good for.

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    23. Re:What software amazes me? by Al+Dimond · · Score: 1

      Maybe he means he'll be seriously trying to make Windows feel like home for the first time. I'm sure he's used Windows before and probably knows quite a bit about it, but just doesn't know the ways that some users make it their own.

      Now for some on-topic stuff, he sounds like he's coming from the Mac world, but I'll suggest Cygwin anyway; Cygwin gives you a Unix-like environment within Windows, including an X server and package management (for Cygwin packages) that's pretty painless. It also can give you your favorite Unix shell to do all your commandline stuff; I used to find that handy when doing lots of ssh/scp sessions (I'm sure those utilities exist on the command line for Windows natively, but I already had them there under Cygwin and then were in xterms with focus following mouse, so I just used 'em there :) ). Of course, after I realized that I was getting most of my classwork done within the Cygwin environment I figured I might as well just run GNU/Linux instead.

      If you have a remote for your computer, I'd recommend Girder to harness its power. Back when I used Windows primarily Girder was free (as in beer); now you have to pay for it *shrug*.

    24. Re:What software amazes me? by tm2b · · Score: 1

      Horseshit.

      Most of my professional work for the last 20 years has been on VMS and Unix (and Unix-alikes, including Linux). The only OSes I've used for apps at home since 1987 have been Mac OS and Amiga OS. You can imagine my joy when Mac OS became Unix.

      With the exception of a two-week forray into that fraud that Microsoft called Windows NT's POSIX.1 compatability layer, the only thing I've used Windows for, ever has been as a loader for games and for two very niche applications that interface with a diving computer and an aviation GPS. The only other reason I have a PC is to hack TiVos.

      You have a very, very narrow worldview if you think every technically savvy person has had to screw with Windows. Some of us have managed to avoid that hellhole.

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    25. Re:What software amazes me? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      >> Why would you want to install the worst text editor known to mankind on your... err...

      >I missed the joke. vi doesn't sound at all like "loadlin". :) :)

      I think your parent poster's joke was Edlin.

      And I have to sincerely and honestly agree.

    26. Re:What software amazes me? by Baricom · · Score: 1

      I think he meant this.

    27. Re:What software amazes me? by elakazal · · Score: 1

      I work with Windows daily. And yet what "must have" apps do I use that I'm dying to run on my Mac? None. There is literally nothing among the probably several dozen apps I use at work on Windows that I wouldn't rather be doing with its equivalent on the Mac. Hell, probably 75% of Windows users don't use anything other than Office, a web browser, and an e-mail client in an average week.

      Incidentally, if I hadn't decided to go to grad school, and stayed in the job I had after my undergrad, the only computers I would ever use would be Macs (aside from the scary Win95 pentium in the basement there that runs the big piece of home made equipment. But that's just a matter of starting up and clicking on an icon.)

    28. Re:What software amazes me? by jbrader · · Score: 1
      There are several million computer users in the united states alone. I'm sure you know that on an intelectual level but millions are really hard numbers to wrap your mind around. And every one of those users has had a different history with computers that you and the poeple you know. When you think of it like that it's very possible that there are many people who have lots of computer experience but who have little or no knowledge of Windows.

      You should get a statistics book and look up the term "outlier."

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    29. Re:What software amazes me? by Ambidisastrous · · Score: 1

      No, really -- does anyone who's replied to this sound like they'd be interested in trying the Windows Experience?

      Either:
      1) You've thrived in the rarified atmosphere of a Unix-oriented workplace, or academia, and are already quite clueful about the pros and cons of Windows;
      2) You have managed to stay in the Mac world for the most part, tasted Windows once, vomited, and arranged to never endure it again; or
      3) You're something like a consultant, are thoroughly aware of all your platform options, and consistently choose to work with a non-Windows system.

      There's one more non-astroturf possibility for the poster, but none of these comments fit the description:
      4) You have never read Slashdot in your life, and receive all your technology news directly from Apple and Microsoft. Cross-platform apps are also unknown to you, which is why the idea isn't mentioned anywhere in the post or blog. Adobe makes some powerful stuff, but it's available on Mac, too.

      OK, I'll bite. Windows is good for games, and certain engineering tools are only available for Windows, too. But to me, the main thing this exercise is useful for is coming up with good replacements for these "killer apps" that can be used on Linux or a Mac.

      Scratch that -- the best, can't-live-without, evangelism-worthy programs for Windows are the drivers.

    30. Re:What software amazes me? by penguin-collective · · Score: 1

      Ah, excellent suggestion. Java GUI programs fail to comply with HIGs on all platforms and integrate poorly with the desktop on any platform, so they will deaden any kind of expectations the user has about the user interface.

    31. Re:What software amazes me? by Tim+Browse · · Score: 1

      The last PC that I owned that ran Microsoft software had Windows 3.1 installed, but I just ran it in DOS mode.

      I have a Linux PC, but I just turn up the monitor brightness really high, and use it as a lamp. What's your point? :-)

      (To be fair, I do actually agree that it is possible for computer experts to not know Windows, unlike the original poster's assertion. They seem to think that the fact that someone has a blog is proof positive that they must have used Windows. Not sure I get that, really.)

    32. Re:What software amazes me? by AliasTheRoot · · Score: 1

      I have worked with a LOT of designers, artists, video professionals, and even web developers who have REFUSED to ever work on anything but a PC, and have never used OSX for more than a few minutes. It always amazes me, but I have found myself in situations more times that I can count, where as the one guy in the studio who has ever touched a Mac, I have to explain all sorts of simple things, because they don't know the first thing about OSX.

    33. Re:What software amazes me? by owlnation · · Score: 1
      Let's take a realistic point of view. We have a computer user who seems to be well experienced. They even have a nicely designed blog online where you can write in your favourite Windows-only applications. Yet they claim that they have never been a windows user before (Making me wonder where they have been for the past 10+ years where windows has been the ubiquitous consumer & business software platform.)


      While Macs have around a 5% marketshare overall, if you look into certain niche areas the percentage of Mac users is considerably greater. Design, publishing, printing and video editing people have been using Macs since they first came out and have probably seen no reason to switch. I know plenty of Mac users who are technically expert, but have never really touched a Windows machine.

    34. Re:What software amazes me? by WWWWolf · · Score: 1
      (Making me wonder where they have been for the past 10+ years where windows has been the ubiquitous consumer & business software platform.)

      I've been using Linux since 1996. In 2000, I got a computer with Win98SE preinstalled. When a hard drive died in late 2004 and new one refused to work in that machine, I built a new machine from scratch, leaving OEM WinXP out of my budget. Coincidentally, win98SE refused to install on this newfangled thingy. In January, I got a new hard drive, and for first time ever, I don't have any Windows compatible partitions on my hard drive and don't even try to get it back. (If I ever find the Win98SE CD that I lost, I'll try QEMU instead.) Hell, if I want games, I have a GameCube and DS.

      Over these years, I've been studying at an university. They have a bunch of Linux and OSX classrooms and labs. For some reason, I have even problems logging on in some of their Windows labs, while the Mac and Linux boxes sure know who I am. =) I've had a job once. Used Prog... prod... whatever Debian clone that was, a few years ago, as my development OS. (PHP app that ran on a Debian server, with PostgreSQL. Helped to convert that from RedHat and MySQL.)

      Oh yeah, I've "used" Windows over these years, as in "sat down in front of Windows machine and tried to do stuff". And everywhere I go, I see OpenOffice.org and Firefox, basically, all the same stuff I've seen on Linux and OSX. It's not been very in-depth lately. I know next to damn about Win2K and XP, aside of how to run SpybotS&D and guess what to checkmark in HijackThis - never had to bother with that crap in 98SE though =)

      Though, yeah, if someone's been using OSX there's really few reasons to use Windows. The only thing I used Windows for besides of games was video capture and editing, and OSX has tons of great apps for that, and heck, nowadays even Linux is getting video stuff that kind of works...

    35. Re:What software amazes me? by drsmithy · · Score: 1
      With the exception of a two-week forray into that fraud that Microsoft called Windows NT's POSIX.1 compatability layer [...]

      The problem is not so much that NT's POSIX.1 layer was "fraudulent", it's that POSIX.1 on its own isn't particularly useful for anything fancy.

    36. Re:What software amazes me? by njh · · Score: 1

      I haven't really used Windows, and I've been programming computers since 1986. I've run wine a few times to try it out, I had to use a custom program on Windows 3.1 for my chemistry classes, and I used Windows XP for web browsing when I worked at MS research. I couldn't even tell you how to run a program not in the start menu.

    37. Re:What software amazes me? by JanneM · · Score: 1


              The last PC that I owned that ran Microsoft software had Windows 3.1 installed, but I just ran it in DOS mode.

      I have a Linux PC, but I just turn up the monitor brightness really high, and use it as a lamp. What's your point? :-)


      Well, I did the same thing with Win3.11. At that time, most software was still DOS-based, and the development system I used, from Borland, had a mature, very good DOS based environment. If you were going to develop DOS software anyway 3.11 didn't bring anything to the developer that you didn't have in DOS already - except greater instability, which was bad enough as it was.

      3.11 was cute, but there was still little reason beyond that to actually run it. That changed with Win95, of course.

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    38. Re:What software amazes me? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The first time I used Windows was in 2004. Prior to that, I had only used Mac OS X, Classic Mac OS, Linux, and the Apple II DOS environment.

    39. Re:What software amazes me? by Simon+Brooke · · Score: 1
      Now let us pretend for a moment that this actually is some computer user who has already mastered implementing RSS+Atom into their blog, yet simultaneously never even noticed that Windows has existed alongside the Mac OS, nor ever even dabbled in it until the release of boot camp last week(I can hardly imagine them rushing out to a store and purchasing a copy of MS Windows for their not-even year old Intel Mac) So why would they be interested in beta software like MS Max? (Which is really only ever going to be as good as last years version of Apple's iLife?) And why is it that their top 10 Mac apps seem to resemble the top rated list from macupdate.com.

      There's nothing particularly surprising about someone who knows how to implement syndication feeds but doesn't have experience of Windows. Yes, I do now have a Windows XP machine - but only for games, and I honestly can't see myself using it for anything else. It just isn't very good, when compared to UN*X. And that's the way it's always been, in my experience, ever since Windows 1.0. Gimmicky, flashy graphics, but nothing spectacular in the way of useful applications.

      Oh, and, I last used a Mac in 1986. I hear they've changed a bit since then.

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    40. Re:What software amazes me? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Try pulling your head out of Visual Studio's ass long enough to learn a thing or two about other Operating Systems and Execution Environments. Then you might actually be able to register a nick around here without getting tagged as a know-nothing Microsoft-lover." - by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday April 12, @01:09AM (#15111411)

      It appears that you got your ass kicked by a Microsoft fanboi in the account that the OS you noted isn't written totally in Java, and that Java cannot write device drivers because Java does not run in or create code for Ring 0/RPL 0 levels of operations (kernel mode code).

      I think you had best watch who you call names, because it is you who ended up looking like a moron, not the Microsoft fanboi.

      He left you speechless and without a reply.

    41. Re:What software amazes me? by anaplasmosis · · Score: 0

      Not all the world is a PC and despite your (not unreasonable) suspicions that this the person is a Microsoft shill, there are people in the world, myself included, who have only recently been exposed to Windows. NT4 was several years old before I actually sat in front of a PC for any length of time (and was appropriately appalled at was a dire interface it was, and is.) My background was in minicomputers, and by the time the PC started its rise to dominance, I was sitting in front of Xerox workstations (Star and InterLISP, both) followed by various flavours of Unix machine. I do not actually own a PC to this day, although I am forced by my employers to use one.

    42. Re:What software amazes me? by GrahamCox · · Score: 1

      A lot of Mac users will actually fit this profile. I do for example. I know about Windows, but I can probably count the total hours I've actually used it on the fingers of one hand. I've been using Macs however since 1985, and I'm a professional developer. I've also used lots of other systems with various OSes including DOS, but using Windows - nope, just never (thankfully!) had to really bother.

      For me though, Boot Camp does have some attractions. There are certain apps on Windows that are not on Mac, though by and large I've managed without. However, there are a few "nice to have" things such as some 3D CAD software, (Solid Edge) and some mapmaking software (OCAD) that have no Mac versions, and no real Mac equivalents (though OCAD might be getting a run for its money someday soon ;-). For everything else that I sorely need but can't find for the Mac, I write it myself. These days, with Cocoa, that is getting easier and easier...

    43. Re:What software amazes me? by maxwell+demon · · Score: 1

      And I think your parent poster did understand that, but used it to add his own joke, asserting that "the worst editor known to mankind" unambiguously has to refer to vi.

      Well, calling edlin a text editor is a bit far fetched anyway. It is program which was intended for tasks which would better be done with a text editor. :-)

      --
      The Tao of math: The numbers you can count are not the real numbers.
    44. Re:What software amazes me? by Raffaello · · Score: 1

      This would be a clever parody except for the fact that one platform outnumbers the other about 20 to 1. This being the case, what you describe - that users of the overwhelming majority platform would have no knowledge of the minority platform - is no surprise - most people would have no occasion to ever use a mac. What your parent describes - that daily users of the minority platform would have no experience whatsoever of the OS on 90% of PCs is noteworthy and telling - it suggests that the majority platform, even though ubiquitous, is something that many people avoid like the plague.

    45. Re:What software amazes me? by umedia · · Score: 1

      I've worked with a lot design firms where the artsy crowd insists everything is done only on a Mac and had to lie when I did projects with a Windows box. What I don't understand about the "I'm Mac only" crowd is how proud they are of being ignorant of an O/S used by 96% of PC users. But then I see computers as tools not lifestyles...

      --
      "Humans are considered to be primitive, the third smartest species on Earth"
    46. Re:What software amazes me? by DanHibiki · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      I find that surprising. This might have been possible to do back ten or maybe 5 years ago, but these days you really can't accomplish anything on a mac as far as Video Editing, 3D or Graphic Design... unless you boot Windows that is.

    47. Re:What software amazes me? by alernon · · Score: 1

      I'm exactly the person you described. I'm a Web designer who does some programming/scripting: javascipt, ruby, php. I never touch a windows machine except to use IE to test Web pages I'm working on. I have no idea what software is available exclusively for Windows, because it doesn't concern me. When bootcamp was released, I did buy a copy of XP. (Although, I know someone who used to work at M$, he called someone he knew that still worked there, and got it for $42 shipped) I bought it one, just to fool around with, and two, so I could use Q to run both operating systems side-by-side for easier testing.

      Frankly, I find it a little pompous you assume a Macintosh user is somehow to inferior to have implemented this idea, and a little naive to think everyone on the planet needs windows boxes to get through day-to-day life.

    48. Re:What software amazes me? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You moron. Read the fucking link. ALL JAVA. Period, end of story. Ring 0 (which doesn't even matter in Java) and all that. It would take you 10 seconds to verify that. Hell, you can directly access Video Memory in plain-jane Java 1.4 and up.

      But then again, I doubt you actually know anything about Operating System design. You've just heard about this "Ring 0" thing that "teh Microsoft" makes you use to write a driver. There are dozens of CPUs on the market that don't use priviledge escalation like that, and use a different memory model than the segmented crap that Intel foisted upon the world.

      Let me make this easy for you: JNode is written in Java and contains a JIT compiler written in Java. Another OS is used to bootstrap the OS by running the compiler under a different JVM to compile down the bytecodes for the JNode JVM. The only code that is native is a bit of stuff for the bootloader. Of course, you'd know that if you took the time to research rather than rambling on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on...

      In short: Try posting a coherent thought rather than a bunch of gobbldeygook with your initials sprinkled throughout.

    49. Re:What software amazes me? by checkup21 · · Score: 1

      What is Java GUI????? Something like Linux GUI, or Windows GUI??!?!?

      We all know that Swing is slow and does not comply to common HIG. But there is also swt, and anyone saying JAVA is slow, just shows he doesn't know what he is talking about.

    50. Re:What software amazes me? by justthinkit · · Score: 1

      Not true. Win 3.x brought task switching. You could load MultiEdit in one session, your app ran in a second DOS box, and you compiled or did whatever else in a third. I watched one developer doing all this on a 1MB RAM laptop -- comical, but it worked.

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      I come here for the love
    51. Re:What software amazes me? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Another Microsofty fanboi! Oh goody!

      You are dumber than he is. At least he pretends to ask a question. You unequivocally stated that JNode uses native drivers (which is wrong) and made an ass of yourself.

      But then, you knew that, didn't you? Otherwise you wouldn't be posting as AC.

      I think you had best watch who you call names

      You're a moron.

      because it is you who ended up looking like a moron, not the Microsoft fanboi.

      You're dumber than a rock.

      There. I relpied. Feel better now? Moron.

    52. Re:What software amazes me? by multimediavt · · Score: 1

      I have worked EXCLUSIVELY on the Mac platform in an IT role for more than 15 years. It's completely myopic to think that someone with more than 10 years of experience in IT would *HAVE* to work with or on a Windows-based PC during that time. Open your eyes people and realize that the world is a much bigger and diverse place than the Microsoft zombie making machine has led you to believe. Just because you haven't experienced it doesn't mean it's not out there.

    53. Re:What software amazes me? by misleb · · Score: 1

      But then I see computers as tools not lifestyles...

      I think Mac users just really like using their computers compared to your average PC user. It is like people who really enjoy their job/career compared people who are just in it for a paycheck. It isn't so much that the people who like their jobs consider it a "lifestyle." They just really like their jobs and accept it as part of who they are. Any why not? If you are spending 8+ hours a day doing something, it really is part of who you are... whether you like it or not.

      -matthew

      --
      "THERE IS NO JUSTICE, THERE IS ONLY ME." -Death
    54. Re:What software amazes me? by umedia · · Score: 1
      "I think Mac users just really like using their computers compared to your average PC user. It is like people who really enjoy their job/career compared people who are just in it for a paycheck. It isn't so much that the people who like their jobs consider it a "lifestyle." They just really like their jobs and accept it as part of who they are. Any why not? If you are spending 8+ hours a day doing something, it really is part of who you are... whether you like it or not."

      I agree somewhat with what you say, I also use a Mac in addition to a PC. I do love what I do, much more than what I do it on... To limit my scope to one platform would be like, getting married when there still so many faces to see.

      --
      "Humans are considered to be primitive, the third smartest species on Earth"
    55. Re:What software amazes me? by tgibbs · · Score: 1

      I've never used Windows, aside from occasionally helping out somebody else. I probably never would, if it is a choice between Windows and OS X, because what I have seen of Windows has not pleased me. But like the OP, I'm now interested in whether there are Windows apps that are useful enough to justify getting a copy of Windows and occasionally dual-booting.

    56. Re:What software amazes me? by misleb · · Score: 1

      I agree somewhat with what you say, I also use a Mac in addition to a PC. I do love what I do, much more than what I do it on... To limit my scope to one platform would be like, getting married when there still so many faces to see.

      There is something rather disturbing about this analogy. You seem to be suggesting (consciously or not) that you enjoy what you do with people more than you enjoy the people themselves. Are people just tools to you as well? Or did i just take the analogy too far?

      -matthew

      --
      "THERE IS NO JUSTICE, THERE IS ONLY ME." -Death
    57. Re:What software amazes me? by umedia · · Score: 1
      "There is something rather disturbing about this analogy. You seem to be suggesting (consciously or not) that you enjoy what you do with people more than you enjoy the people themselves. Are people just tools to you as well? Or did i just take the analogy too far?"

      People? I thought we were discussing computing platforms? However, upon reflection some people are indeed tools... but that's far from my former analogy.

      --
      "Humans are considered to be primitive, the third smartest species on Earth"
    58. Re:What software amazes me? by penguin-collective · · Score: 1

      and anyone saying JAVA is slow, just shows he doesn't know what he is talking about.

      You Java zealots are really pathetic: you argue against statements people didn't even make.

      Thanks for at least agreeing that Swing fails to comply with HIGs; SWT unfortunately doesn't solve the problem either.

    59. Re:What software amazes me? by NutscrapeSucks · · Score: 1

      I think Mac users just really like using their computers compared to your average PC user.

      Actually, I know these types of people, and they don't necessarily like computers anymore than your accountant does. Just in certain industries, in certain cities, the installed base is 99% Macintosh. So that's really all they know and all they need to know.

      --
      Whenever I hear the word 'Innovation', I reach for my pistol.
    60. Re:What software amazes me? by tm2b · · Score: 1
      Nope, it was fraudulent - it didn't actually implement POSIX.1. We didn't need anything fancy, just some basic file interactions for a CGI-driven message board.

      One thing I recall (this was over 10 years ago, the details are fuzzy) was that:
      fd = open(filename, O_CREAT | O_RDWR);
      did not actually create a file that accepted binary data and that you had to use some candyass windows-only flag that was something like O_BINARY. This wasn't actually mentioned in the call's documentation - I had to get help from a friend in Microsoft's NT Kernel Group.

      I also recall that advisory file locking didn't work properly with fcntl(), which made the whole CGI system step on itself under heavy server load.

      It was a freakin' nightmare.
      --
      "It is our blasphemy which has made us great, and will sustain us, and which the gods secretly admire in us." - Zelazny
    61. Re:What software amazes me? by misleb · · Score: 1

      People? I thought we were discussing computing platforms? However, upon reflection some people are indeed tools... but that's far from my former analogy.

      Yeah, people. Specifically people of the opposite sex. You said limiting your scope to one platform would be like getting married. You also implied that you like what you do with people more than you like the people themselves. Go back and reread your analogy and think about its implications. This was about computing platforms, but your analogy made it about people too. Just as my analogy made it about careers.

      Are computers just tools?

      Are people just things you do stuff with (sex?)?

      Are jobs just for paychecks?

      These are important questions, IMO.

      -matthew

      --
      "THERE IS NO JUSTICE, THERE IS ONLY ME." -Death
    62. Re:What software amazes me? by silverdr · · Score: 0

      Let's take a realistic point of view. We have a computer user who seems to be well experienced. They even have a nicely designed blog online where you can write in your favourite Windows-only applications.

      Ther are tools for OS X, which let you set such sites up in no time with almost no technical knowledge. And yes, it looks like a well-designed, full-fledged blogsite.

      Yet they claim that they have never been a windows user before (Making me wonder where they have been for the past 10+ years where windows has been the ubiquitous consumer & business software platform.)

      I was there. Using Amiga, then GNU/Linux, GNU/xxBSD. I saw Windows at work but I admit I still haven't seen a Windows application that would amaze me. Thus, even if I am quite an experienced user, I would still be able to easily relate to this question: "OK - so make me cry, show me those killer apps, which will make me eventually understand why so many people use Windows"



      [...] Now lets come back to the real world: If you haven't dabbled in windows ever then you're either a recent jail escapee or very good at digging one's own head deeply into sand.

      No. As I explained before - many people, including /me are aware of the existance of Windows, are not jail escapees nor are especially efficient with digging sanddunes with their heads. Nevertheless would still be iterested in "ok - now that I can do it without buying a second machine, I'd like to see the best what this thing can so that I can make my own conclusions."

      This story doesn't add up, and is coinciding with a new wave of windows advertising. Which is fairly interesting as it's before a major release is due. I think our friends in Redmond are just trying to peddle off some Windows sales.

      Sure, can be but the reasoning behind your conclusion is far from cogent. And no, I am neither Windows fan, nor Redmond Salesman...

      --
      Now, mod me down freely. My karma can't get any worse...
    63. Re:What software amazes me? by Mister+Whirly · · Score: 1

      I was doing that in DoubleDOS long before Windows hit the scene (mid 80s)... It worked just great with 1 MB of RAM! I mostly used it because at the time I was runnig a BBS and wanted to still be able to do other things without taking it offline.

      --
      "But this one goes to 11!"
    64. Re:What software amazes me? by umedia · · Score: 1
      "These are important questions, IMO."

      Too many questions, instead you need to work on what an analogy is. However I will clarify my meaning.

      I love the task of computing more than the instrument of computing, to limit myself to a single instrument of computing could mean I miss the advances in the scope of the task.

      --
      "Humans are considered to be primitive, the third smartest species on Earth"
    65. Re:What software amazes me? by checkup21 · · Score: 1

      sorry, didn't mean you. I meant the former poster "java for switching".

    66. Re:What software amazes me? by justthinkit · · Score: 1

      RBBS by any chance? Not every day do you see ten lines of code compressed onto one line, but such were the "fit it all in less than 64K" times back then.

      --
      I come here for the love
    67. Re:What software amazes me? by Johnny+Mnemonic · · Score: 1

      Now lets come back to the real world: If you haven't dabbled in windows ever then you're either a recent jail escapee or very good at digging one's own head deeply into sand.

      Sorry. I'm a professional IT support person, have been for 5 years, and only very rarely turn on the Windows PC on my desk--once every two months or so. I've never personally owned a PC. Yet I know my way around the web and RFCs.

      So I think it's you, rather, that has a narrow perspective. You can get real work done on computers and yet be Windows ignorant; there are other, real, viable platforms for getting profitable work done, regardless of what Microsoft would have you believe.

      While I can find the start button in Windows, I wouldn't know the top ten pieces of software to use, either. I can't tell you how long it's been since I cared about what's best Anti-Virus products, for example.

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    68. Re:What software amazes me? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I asked a question that is all. I needed to know, and asking directly saves me time reading.

      Could you get me a quote of proof with URL for this statement from you:

      "Read the fucking link. ALL JAVA. Period, end of story"

      Thanks.

      The profanity's not needed above all else, you don't appear smart using it.

      I would like proof this "OS" (sounds more like a command interpreter than an OS imo) does not use ANY code whatsoever that is not written in Java... but, like I said above? I can use this information for future reference, but WOULD like proof & a backing URL.

      Still, imo and those from many tests? Java is TOO slow compared to C/C++, Assembler, or Delphi in MANY areas to make this a good performer...

      APK

    69. Re:What software amazes me? by lmlloyd · · Score: 1

      Bingo! As much as people might like to point out that Windows is the majority platform in the world in general, you would never have any inkling of that working here in the entertainment industry in L.A.

      I fact, here it is pretty much the assumption that if you are using anything but a Mac, it has to be because you are a cheap bastard who isn't really a professional, even if the PC you are using cost more than any Mac! You have to go out of your way to justify buying a PC, and have to be prepared to fight for a PC if that is what you want to use at anything but the biggest studios (who are all going Linux). At any small to medium shop, it is just assumed that everyone is going to be using a Mac. It is what they teach you in school, it is what all the other artists use, and most people will swear that it is what everything is done on.

    70. Re:What software amazes me? by lmlloyd · · Score: 1

      I have to agree with this 100%! I have a friend who has done a lot of work for some big studios, who swears that everything is always done on a Mac, and is QUITE proud of the fact that he wouldn't even know how to open an email on a PC. He takes it as a sign of what a good designer he is that he has never had to work for a company so "lame and boring" they would make him use a PC.

      By the way, I have also been in situations where I was asked to hide my PC before the client came in, so they wouldn't know I had done their work on a PC.

    71. Re:What software amazes me? by Mister+Whirly · · Score: 1

      Actually it was FidoBBS - nice and small with lots of features. I actually got it running on a friend's IBM PC Jr. with just 2 floppy drives and a small RAM drive - and there was still half a floppy available for message storage and uploads....

      --
      "But this one goes to 11!"
    72. Re:What software amazes me? by umedia · · Score: 1
      "By the way, I have also been in situations where I was asked to hide my PC before the client came in, so they wouldn't know I had done their work on a PC."

      I'm sure this happens way more than Mac users wish to admit, but that is the problem. With Apple it is all about image and that carries down to the cult ahh, I mean end users.

      But at some point work or commerce needs to get done so they come to us...

      --
      "Humans are considered to be primitive, the third smartest species on Earth"
    73. Re:What software amazes me? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "You moron. Read the fucking link. ALL JAVA. Period, end of story. Ring 0 (which doesn't even matter in Java) and all that. It would take you 10 seconds to verify that. Hell, you can directly access Video Memory in plain-jane Java 1.4 and up." - by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday April 12, @10:09AM (#15113269)

      LOL, calling me names, only shows you losing your cool and that you are on the ropes here:

      This thing you call an OS written purely in JAVA (which apparently its not by your own words below and is NOT run by Java's runtime @ bootstrap even, because Java doesn't operate there no less) cannot even BOOTSTRAP itself, yet you call it can Operating System?

      I think YOU had best learn about OS design first of all, instead of advising ME to & not the design of command interpreters or operating environments which YOU here are calling an OS... that's the same line of reasoning Microsoft's opponents used against DOS boostrapping Windows 3.x & 9.x using DOS!

      Try learning what a real OS is, instead of tossing names.

      "But then again, I doubt you actually know anything about Operating System design."

      LOL, and YOU DO? You're calling a command interpreter or operating environment (@ best this is what this "Java OS" of yours is, it can't even bootstrap itself & cannot do so w/out using another OS apparently)??

      Rethink that man!

      "You've just heard about this "Ring 0" thing that "teh Microsoft" makes you use to write a driver. There are dozens of CPUs on the market that don't use priviledge escalation like that, and use a different memory model than the segmented crap that Intel foisted upon the world." - by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday April 12, @10:09AM (#15113269)

      Funny, but those OS by Microsoft (or Linux, UNIX, BSD, MacOS X etc./et all) can boot themselves up BY themselves & their own code. This "OS" of yours can't... Again - some OS!

      You prove this for me right here in fact:

      "JNode is written in Java and contains a JIT compiler written in Java. Another OS is used to bootstrap the OS by running the compiler under a different JVM to compile down the bytecodes for the JNode JVM. The only code that is native is a bit of stuff for the bootloader." - by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday April 12, @10:09AM (#15113269)

      And, again:

      YOU know about OS design?

      Well, some OS then (again) - it can't even boot itself apparently and IS NOT WRITTEN TOTALLY IN JAVA...

      You lose.

      After all, you said it was totally java... not its bootcode.

      "Of course, you'd know that if you took the time to research rather than rambling on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on" - by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday April 12, @10:09AM (#15113269)

      Sure, and you would understand a REAL OS can bootstrap itself.

      Once more - At best?

      You're describing a command interpreter OR operating environment, not an OS!

      "In short: Try posting a coherent thought rather than a bunch of gobbldeygook with your initials sprinkled throughout.." - by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday April 12, @10:09AM (#15113269)

      LOL, try to keep the frothing & spittle to a minimum ok, Mr. trashmouth name tosser, ok?

      "JNode is written in Java and contains a JIT compiler written in Java. Another OS is used to bootstrap the OS" - by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday April 12, @10:09AM (#15113269)

      For the 10th time:

      It can't even bootstrap itself (as I suspected), and you call THIS an OS? It needs another OS to do so, Java doesn't run @ boottime!

      "Then you might actually be able to register a nick around here without getting tagged as a know-nothing Microsoft-lover." - by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday April 12, @10:09AM (#15113269)

      Uhm, in case you hadn't noticed?

      You also post as an "anonymous coward" too, so pot calling the kettle black now, are we?

      AND, at least I have the sack/courage to post my initials here, and you don't...

      I also certainly don't toss names as you

    74. Re:What software amazes me? by lmlloyd · · Score: 1

      I think that more than anything, it is just an issue of image. Back when I did everything on SGI systems, every shop I worked for was always trying to get me to take an office in their facility, so that they could trot the client in and show off the fancy SGI system, and let the client know that their account was being serviced on big, fancy, special hardware. Once I moved to PC, they were all quite happy to let me work from home, so my custom-built "frankenstien" as they always called it, wouldn't give the client the impression that their account was being serviced by some machine thrown together from spare parts.

      What I think a lot of people don't uderstand, is that in a lot of creative markets, Apple has marketshare for exactly the same reason that Microsoft has marketshare in the IT sector. No artist ever got in trouble or fired for buying a Mac, just like no IT guy was ever fired for going Microsoft. If in the middle of an important deadline your Mac crashes, the attitude is "what can you do? Shit happens!" However, same situation with a Windows box and the immediate response is "that's what you get for using a PC! This wouldn't happen if you were working on a Mac." Truth be told, both Macs, and PCs are really unreliable when you start dealing with uncompressed video. That is a lot of information, and crashes just happen more than any of us would like. However, my experience has been that a well maintained PC will crash less in graphics applications than a well maintained Mac. The perception is quite different though, because the Mac is the presumptive standard when it comes to graphics.

    75. Re:What software amazes me? by justthinkit · · Score: 1

      The TRS Model III worked pretty well also, with its 48K RAM and the obligatory 2 floppy fully decked out configuration. These BBSes were the first Internet. You could surf, download and argue, all without paying CompuServe a penny.

      --
      I come here for the love
    76. Re:What software amazes me? by Mister+Whirly · · Score: 1

      "Are people just tools to you as well?"

      Well, a lot of the people that post here are tools...

      (present company included)

      --
      "But this one goes to 11!"
    77. Re:What software amazes me? by Mister+Whirly · · Score: 1

      Yep, had a Trash-80 back in the day myself - with dual side-by-side 8" floppies..

      And even better, on FidoNet you could actually send email across the country without paying for dial-up fees.

      You haven't lived until you have had a flamewar on a BBS with a 300 baud connection...

      --
      "But this one goes to 11!"
    78. Re:What software amazes me? by umedia · · Score: 1
      "Truth be told, both Macs, and PCs are really unreliable when you start dealing with uncompressed video."

      Windows - you get a blue screen. Mac - you get a "sad mac". Linux - it just sits there like a dead bird at side of a road as you poke it with a stick.

      But I'm going to be laughing at Mac users five years down the road when Jobs makes another generation of software and equipment obsolete as he moves Macs to run on bio-engineered dolphin brain processors.

      --
      "Humans are considered to be primitive, the third smartest species on Earth"
    79. Re:What software amazes me? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and is QUITE proud of the fact that he wouldn't even know how to open an email on a PC.
      Sounds like a typical mac user at a place someone I know worked.

      The person had trouble with even email on a Mac, and from the sounds of it, had to keep all their programs runing & folders/windows set just right. Any changes and they had to call the person I know in to fix it(no, they were not IT support or super computer savvy).

      Far as I can tell they probably were still on Classic, and even OSX would be too much for them....

    80. Re:What software amazes me? by denissmith · · Score: 1

      Not really. I haven't used Windows as a personal Operating System since 3.11. I have primarily used Macs - System 7 - 10.3, and I can give you lots of Mac software ideas. Can't tell you anything about Windows specific apps. This doesn't mean you are wrong about the poster, but you are wrong about the likelihood of a person being computer savvy and not knowing windows. If the person is a graphics pro or a creative type they are likely quite up to speed about the web formats and programs. This shouldn't be taken to mean that I don't know anything about Windows since 3.11 - I have administered Windows installations - but I can't tell you what programs are cool on Windows.

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      I have nothing to hide. So, why are you spying on me?
    81. Re:What software amazes me? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "But then, you knew that, didn't you? Otherwise you wouldn't be posting as AC." - by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday April 12, @10:29AM (#15113393)

      You post as an Anonymous Coward AC too, or hadnt you noticed that? Who's the moron now you fool?? I advise laying off the drugs, or being treated for alzheimers, because you cannot even recall you post as AC too idiot.

      I also read the other person's reply you called a moron and those of others who said that java cant be used to write a traditional device driver also, and that this jnode cant even bootstrap itself.

      This jnode you speak of is more of a command interpreter or operating environment, just as people used to criticize Windows 3 and 95-98 for since they too used DOS to boot up with and did not operate at bootstrap, but instead used DOS for that.

      It seems you, who called everyone moron here, are the moron.

      You cannot even distinguish between a true operating system and a pseudo one.

      You now admit that is not totally java, because java cant run before a host operating system can, which is used to let it run ontop of it. A java runtime is not running the native code during bootstrap.

      Native code by your own admission is used to boot it up, but that code is not interpreted by the java runtime either. You said it.

      And, you told everyone to learn about operating system design?

      Please: do yourself and the rest of us a favor and shut up already dolt, and quit foaming at the mouth you profane dolt.

    82. Re:What software amazes me? by Buskaatt · · Score: 1

      Now lets come back to the real world: If you haven't dabbled in windows ever then you're either a recent jail escapee or very good at digging one's own head deeply into sand.

      I'm not the first to say it in this thread, but before Christmas 2005 I touched Windows once in the last 7 years. It hasn't been my primary work OS since 1994, and my head has remained above ground and out from behind bars for that entire time.

    83. Re:What software amazes me? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Trolling for your failure pseudo jnode OS that really does sound more like an operating environment or command interpreter than it is a real operating system is not a good showing.

      You said it was pure java, and yet I read it is not from your own words and it does require in its requirements that linux be around also.

      The jnode pseudo os in not even capable of bootstrapping itself up by itself is not helping your cause here with your admission of that. A true os can boot itself first of all without using other os to do so.

      Lastly your having to use swearing and name calling only further evidences that you have an unstable mind and have been outclassed as well as being out thought jnode boy.

      You told others here to learn about os design, uhm, why dont you instead, you need it.

      I found it amusing how you stated everyone is a moron here, except you, and you dont even realize that if this java os was a real os, java would be running it from bootstrap onwards, but then java doesnt run without an os to run it first now does it?

    84. Re:What software amazes me? by lmlloyd · · Score: 1

      Seriously, if this isn't just aping my coment, what market are you in? I have NEVER seen a video production studio or post house where only one guy knows anything about the Mac. In Houston, Austin, San Franscico, Santa Clara, and L.A. every video studio I have ever seen has used mainly Macs, unless it was an SGI shop (which have all gone Linux now). I have even done work for Intel and AMD where the people doing the video insisted on using Macs! Now in pure 3D animation and game development studios it is a whole different deal (somewhat understandably so), but with video, I have never worked in a single market where PCs were the presumptive standard.

    85. Re:What software amazes me? by ThJ · · Score: 1

      Reminds me very much of two other businesses: The print business and the music business. They're both crazy about Macs. You really aren't taken very seriously in the newspaper/print business unless you use a Mac with InDesign. And don't use anything but a Mac with ProTools or Cubase if you are recording music, because that's suspicious. I hate the former. I've had endless debates about how PCs have had better raw performance for years, and are just as stable as Macs. Also, I'm one of a minority who use Cakewalk, often considered a MIDI toy by professionals who haven't noticed that Pro Audio has been succeded by SONAR, that IMHO beats Cubase down its boots. Many people at the newspaper my father works at use Macs at home because that's what they're familiar with.

    86. Re:What software amazes me? by lmlloyd · · Score: 1

      Well, for the music industry there is some hope. I know one audio engineer who uses all PC equipment, and happens to have 9 grammys!

      http://www.larryseyer.com/

      So, you could always point that out to people who claim that PCs are toys.

  3. "Elegant?" by thatoneguy_jm · · Score: 0, Troll

    I'd love to help, but I can't stop laughing from seeing the words "elegant" and "windows" together. And, is it just me, or is the summary itself dripping with sarcasm?

    1. Re:"Elegant?" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well... "elegant", no; but "amazing", certainly! Just a slightly different direction for the amazement...

    2. Re:"Elegant?" by Farmer+Tim · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Forgive him. He's a Mac user, so he doesn't realise that software is supposed to be obtuse to learn, frustrating to maintain and butt ugly.

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    3. Re:"Elegant?" by mpcooke3 · · Score: 1

      so he doesn't realise that software is supposed to be obtuse to learn, frustrating to maintain

      Well, he most have used the OSX dock.
      http://www.asktog.com/columns/044top10docksucks.ht ml

    4. Re:"Elegant?" by drsmithy · · Score: 1
      I'd love to help, but I can't stop laughing from seeing the words "elegant" and "windows" together. And, is it just me, or is the summary itself dripping with sarcasm?

      It's not just you - the whole thing pretty much screams out "troll".

    5. Re:"Elegant?" by Midnight+Thunder · · Score: 1

      Well, he most have used the OSX dock.

      What alternative would you come up with?

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    6. Re:"Elegant?" by prell · · Score: 1

      This is insightful? It's a completely negative opinion. We have another modifier for that.

    7. Re:"Elegant?" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow, did they suck the irony detector out of you at birth, or are you just an idiot?

    8. Re:"Elegant?" by umedia · · Score: 1
      "Forgive him. He's a Mac user, so he doesn't realise that software is supposed to be obtuse to learn, frustrating to maintain and butt ugly."

      You mean, he's never used iLife?

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    9. Re:"Elegant?" by Farmer+Tim · · Score: 1

      Touche!

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    10. Re:"Elegant?" by Farmer+Tim · · Score: 1

      ...although I'm not mac user...

      I am. I wasn't referring to OS X ;)

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  4. Feh by Donut2099 · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Mac, Windows, its all junk. Get a Palm Pilot and forget about it.

  5. Games. by jnelson4765 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Really - there are all these cool games, that are released *years* before they are available on Macs.

    That's the only reason I have a Windows box - to play my games, b/c most of them don't run in WINE.

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    1. Re:Games. by Bricklets · · Score: 1

      I think you'll find that with the exception of games, most "can't-do-without apps" are already cross platform. ... Productivity? Microsoft Office. Graphics? Photoshop. Music? iTunes. Anti-virus? Well, scratch that. The point being if the software is any good, it usually makes financial sense for it to be cross platform.

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    2. Re:Games. by Tyler+Eaves · · Score: 4, Informative

      Until you get into any sort of industrial work...

      AutoCAD? Nope...
      Solidworks? Yea right...
      Pro/E? Didn't think so...
      Electronics Workbench? Nope...

      and the list goes on and on...

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    3. Re:Games. by Bricklets · · Score: 1

      I did say most didn't I. But software that specializes is a different breed, with their platforms depending largely on what their business users are running. If all the businesses in a particular industry are running Windows, then what financial gain is there from making the tool cross platform? None whatsoever ... However, when you move out to more generalized software for the average consumer (i.e. productivity, graphics, entertainment, etc., essentially what the story submitter was originally polling), then the landscape changes. More Mac users means more financial incentive for companies to make their "can't-do-without apps" cross platform.

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    4. Re:Games. by Skim123 · · Score: 1

      I think it's spurious to consider niche software. Aren't there high-end graphic artist type programs that are Mac only?

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    5. Re:Games. by johnnliu · · Score: 1

      And Bootcamp pretty much killed the PC+Mac games I think.

      1. Mac gamers that really want to play a windows game, will play the PC version via Bootcamp.
      2. When the mac version is finally ported (insert a few months), these mac gamers already played them.
      3. Game developers get screwed cause the Mac port didn't sell at all.
      4. Game developers says stuff this - they'll play the windows version via Bootcamp anyway. It's cheaper to support them via bootcamp than to invest and create a Mac port of the same thing.

      5. People still can't live without a windows machine - because there's games ONLY on windows machines.

      jliu

    6. Re:Games. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Four is hardly on and on.

    7. Re:Games. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      AcidSolitaire Collection with winnable games. Enough to keep you busy for years. 4-suit Spider with known winnable games is da bomb. http://www.red-mercury.com/products_windows.html

    8. Re:Games. by pyite · · Score: 1

      When you consider the SET of mechanical engineering software, or the SET of architectural software, or the SET of electrical engineering software, it is annoying that lots of stuff available on Windows, and it a lot of case stuff that's available on Linux and Windows, is not available for OS X.

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    9. Re:Games. by Achromatic1978 · · Score: 1

      Perhaps. Any examples you can cite?

    10. Re:Games. by mrchaotica · · Score: 1

      You've just described what will be the bane of my existence once I graduate, since I'm getting a civil engineering degree and a CS degree (focusing exclusively on UNIX-like systems). Maybe I can finally help change that, though...

      (Yes, I'm aware it's an odd combination.)

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    11. Re:Games. by afroborg · · Score: 1

      Sounds like someone got fragged a lot as a child...

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    12. Re:Games. by Skim123 · · Score: 1

      Beats the living hell out of me. My Apple experience is limited to my iPod and the Apple II's back in my elementary school.

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    13. Re:Games. by jackbird · · Score: 1
      I think it's spurious to consider niche software. Aren't there high-end graphic artist type programs that are Mac only?

      Very few these days. Quark is the only one that comes to mind besides Apple-branded and Apple-bought apps (Final Cut, DVD Studio, Shake, etc.).

      Also, Autodesk has been something like the 3rd or 4th largest software company in the world for quite some time now. There are literally millions of seats of AutoCAD out there. Just because you don't see it where you work doesn't mean it's niche.

    14. Re:Games. by R3d+M3rcury · · Score: 4, Informative

      Well, I was going to start off this post the various other products that you could use instead of those product names. But I realized that I don't know enough about any of those products.

      What might have been more Informative (moderators, note) is to do a little research and see what Macintosh products might replace these. As a person who, I assume, does industrial work, this might have been quite valuable.

      You see, it's easy to throw out application titles and say, "See? You can't CAD on a Mac because there's no AutoCAD!" But what about VectorWorks, VersaCAD, or the products from Ashlar-Vellum? A trip to Apple's database gives me those three.

      Of course, you have to look for them. I remember being told that Macs couldn't do accounting because there was no QuickBooks. There was plenty of other accounting software available for the Mac. But the only accounting software that this person knew was QuickBooks and if that didn't run a Mac, well, you couldn't do accounting.

      Check out some of the Mac solutions. You might be surprised.

    15. Re:Games. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's high-end audio-visual software that is pretty much Mac only. Shake is only available on Mac and Linux, and support-tools are easier to find on the Mac.

      Logic Pro is Mac only, meaning that many recording studios really can't do without a Mac. In fact, if you are in the recording industry, there is a fair chance you could never touch Windows.

    16. Re:Games. by lmlloyd · · Score: 1

      Actually, Quark has been available on PCs for over a decade. Also, most of the Apple branded professional apps originally were cross-platform apps that only became Mac-only after Apple bought them. Shake, for example, still runs on Linux even though Apple killed the Windows version.

      I am not aware of a single third party professional graphics app that is Mac-only.

    17. Re:Games. by Goalie_Ca · · Score: 1

      Try doing any sort of VLSI on a windows machine. HA! Not gonna happen. Tons of engineering apps are still running on solaris/linux workstations.

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    18. Re:Games. by donaldm · · Score: 1

      Fully agree.

      Comparing (very loosely) the CAD/CAM packages:
      Autocad - developed for PC's (late 1980's). Initially expensive eye-candy.
      Pro Engineer - Developed under Unix in the early 1980's. Initially very expensive but highly usable and functional.
      Solidworks - never used but appears to be another CAD package.
      Electronics Workbench - never used but used "Spice" (early 1980's) and it may have some similarities.

      For many so-called "Windows" packages there are normally Linux/Unix equivalents. Some *nix applications may not have as much eye-candy as an equivalent Windows application but they are normally quite functonal. The problem I always encounter is the quote "Oh! it's not like Windows". I am at an age now were I just shake my head and just walk away because you are better off talking to a brick wall than trying to convince these people. I think the Dilbert cartoons are very appropriate here.

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    19. Re:Games. by Siffy · · Score: 1

      You honestly can't see yourself living without video games?

    20. Re:Games. by Jim_Callahan · · Score: 1

      Yeah, he was really limiting himself to niche software, where 'niche' is 'at least 80% of people that rely on software for a living in a way that a typewriter and file drawer couldn't cover just as well'. You know, the niche of 'things that were the reason computers were designed in the first place'.

      Yup, really limited viewpoint, there.

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    21. Re:Games. by Tim+C · · Score: 1

      So what? His point wasn't that engineering apps all run on Windows and often nothing else, his point was that a number of commonly-used engineering apps only run on Windows (or at least, don't have a Mac version available).

    22. Re:Games. by Ohreally_factor · · Score: 1

      Some *nix applications may not have as much eye-candy as an equivalent Windows application but they are normally quite functonal.

      Isn't it called "eye-candy" because it rots your eyes?

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    23. Re:Games. by galimore · · Score: 1

      Now you can buy an XBox 360 for your gaming, and you won't have to run Windows at all! ;)

    24. Re:Games. by glesga_kiss · · Score: 1
      What might have been more Informative (moderators, note) is to do a little research and see what Macintosh products might replace these.

      It's not like that in industry. There are standards and file formats required to interface with other companies. What use is VectorWorks when the rest of the building world uses Autocad? Its the same problem as Microsoft Office in the office environment; it's taken years to get an OSS package that works well with the now standard office file-formats. And that an office suite, something that's very popular. There just aren't enough CAD types working on Macs to justify a port.

    25. Re:Games. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      AutoCAD is a toy nobody takes seriously and the rest are available for various unices. See you don't need Windows at all.

    26. Re:Games. by slavemowgli · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yup, that's definitely the kind of app a first-time windows user would run on their own computer, at home, in their spare time. Yeah.

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    27. Re:Games. by realnowhereman · · Score: 1

      Pro/E is available for Linux.

      Admittedly it's not easy to find on PTC's website, but it's listed on the software update page

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    28. Re:Games. by m0nstr42 · · Score: 1

      Autocad - developed for PC's (late 1980's). Initially expensive eye-candy.....For many so-called "Windows" packages there are normally Linux/Unix equivalents. Some *nix applications may not have as much eye-candy as an equivalent Windows application but they are normally quite functonal.

      Saying that there is an *nix equivalent for ACAD is like saying that Octave is an equivalent for Matlab. I have been a power user of both (ACAD/*nix CAD and Matlab/Octave), and its just not even close. Pro/E, SolidWorks, etc.. don't really substitute either for normal 2-D drafting (though they are great for solids modeling). Luckily there ARE Matlab distributions for *nix (not free, of course). *nix ACAD would be fabulous.

    29. Re:Games. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What an odd thing for a CS person to do... focus exclusively on one platform. You do realize that you can do lots of useful and good CS without electricity even... just using a pen and paper... In any case, I usually am pretty leary of anyone who is religious enough to limit themselves to one platform, not so much for userland but particularly of those who profess "CS" ability.

    30. Re:Games. by mrchaotica · · Score: 2, Informative

      Well, of course actual Computer Science is platform-agnostic. I'm just saying that, because I personally only use UNIX-like systems, I have very little interest in bothering to learn the Windows API(s) and programming style. Not to mention that every course my school offers is based on cross-platform technologies (although that will change; they're planning to change "software practicum" from Java to .NET next year)...

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    31. Re:Games. by Skim123 · · Score: 1
      Niche: A special area of demand for a product or service

      Seeing as 99% of computer users likely have never heard about AutoCAD, SolidWords, Pro/E, and so on, I'd say it's safe to call it niche software.

      I think one could easily reckon that if software wasn't niche then, almost by definition, there would be version (or similar software put out by another company) on the Mac and Windows.

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    32. Re:Games. by RPI+Geek · · Score: 1

      MechE / CS graduate here, too. Hi.

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    33. Re:Games. by Politburo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Sibling references interoperability with other firms as a reason to use AutoCAD. It's actually much deeper than this. Most large public agencies REQUIRE a specific AutoCAD or MicroStation version for you to even be qualified to do work for them. No substitutes. No converting file formats. We had to speed up our adoption of AutoCAD 2000 due to contract requirements.

    34. Re:Games. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      That's not *entirely* true. There are plenty of pissed windows customers looking to move to... uh, anything else. Management just isn't listening and doesn't care. I work at one of these companies, though not one that's listed here.

      But, let's keep this in the spirit of the original post:

      Solidworks: not available on a Mac.
      Pro/E: not available on a Mac.
      AutoCAD (and all other Autodesk products save Maya[maybe not for long...]): not available on a Mac.
      Delcam: not available on a Mac.
      In fact, ANY CAM software: not available on a Mac.

      That's the list, or something close to it. Everything else (yes, everything), is available in one form or another on a Mac, so this is the only essential non-game industry that's only available for Windows. Therefore, if you're not doing anything industrial and not gaming, it's a waste of time to worry about Boot Camp.

      BTW: Ashlar-Vellum's stuff doesn't even compute - unlike the byline, it doesn't work the way the average cad operator thinks (i.e., no primitives, etc.). PITA.

    35. Re:Games. by Danimoth · · Score: 1

      My father has owned a successful architecture firm for 15 years now. It is, and always has been, entirely run on MacOS. is what he uses and having use it, as well as AutoCad, for a number of years I can honestly say I prefer it. It can import AutoCad files, has supperior 3d rendering, damn, this sounds like an add. Anyways, case in point, do your homework before you start talking about what OSs can and can't do.

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    36. Re:Games. by snuf23 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Uh no. There are plenty of other industries that have specific software that doesn't run on Mac. What about large scale "Enterprise level" CRM applications? The same for accounting servers? Hospital applications?

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    37. Re:Games. by johnnliu · · Score: 1

      That question is asked unfairly,

      A TV can be used for research too, but a TV is mostly an entertainment tool.
      You can listen to lecture/technology podcasts on iPod, but an iPod is definitely mostly an entertainment tool.

      A computer is an open tool.
      You can use it for entertainment, as much as you can use it for research or work.

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      When it comes down to entertainment, each person has their own likes and dislikes.

      I don't buy DVD (I watch them in cinemas with family/friends). When something is on TV, I watch them again with family/friends.
      I don't really buy music - because I prefer singing songs I know with my guitar, or I watch MTV weekly.
      I don't look at cars (I read your blog briefly :P ), because I have a car that serves my needs and I've had it for 7 years now, and I have driven it all over the country (Australia). In fact, I find taking care of my car a hassle. Even though I find having a car extremely convinent.
      I don't drink (actually I can't really drink - allergy if I go over my low limit),
      I don't smoke.

      I watch TV. Sometimes.
      I play sport on the weekend, sometimes.
      I use my computer for entertainment, sometimes.
      I enjoy dining with my fiancee and trying out different restarants, sometimes.

      And I see nothing wrong with this lifestyle. But I don't go around poking at people who go to pub every second evening and say to them "You honestly can't see yourself living without alcohol?". They seem to enjoy it and I'm glad for them (although I think too much alchohol is a health risk - but you can't say that to these people who like it).

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      Back on topic.

      My first computer is a Mac. I've been a Mac user through my highschool when my friends all had PC's. I'd say it was a lot tougher back then - there's far less applications (or games) on the Mac back then compared to now. With so many software freely ported to the Mac now, the gap of "must-have" applications on the PC that Macintosh doesn't have is narrowing.

      I remembered as a Mac fan, getting really offended when Adobe started to ship Adobe Photoshop for PC. That was a Mac-defining product (they did the right thing to get more users though). Bungie was a Mac-game maker, and when they shipped Marathon for the PC, again many people felt betrayed. Eventually, MS bought Bungie and turned the Mac-only Halo game into an XBox best seller (they did the right thing to get more users though).

      What draws people to a platform like a Mac over a PC is the software titles. The comparison is no different than say XBox 360 vs PS3. You have a powerful platform, and you need must-have applications.

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      Sorry if I sounded a bit defensive - I just get annoyed somewhat when people assumes computer games are for children. :(

      jliu

    38. Re:Games. by Siffy · · Score: 1

      I never assumed games were for children. I assumed they're not a necessity for life. My reply was to your point #5. "People still can't live without a windows machine - because there's games ONLY on windows machines." And I still think my assumption/question is valid since people can and do live even without computers much less computer games.

      Sure you can tell someone that drinks every other day that large consumption of alcohol poses health risks. They just don't listen. The same goes for video games.

      As for "looking at cars", you mentioned viewing my blog briefly. That isn't a hobby. I'm actually shopping for one. I'm just really picky and quite annoyed how little you get for your money these days. If you'd read older postings you'd have learned I'm currently without a decent/reliable vehicle since totalling my car in November. I'd had that car since summer '99 when I moved off to college and we got almost nothing for it from the insurance company (the wreck was found not my fault). I completely agree with you that taking care of a car is a hassle, that's why I've been so picky. And American made cars are garbage.

    39. Re:Games. by R3d+M3rcury · · Score: 1

      "AutoCAD (and all other Autodesk products save Maya[maybe not for long...]): not available on a Mac."

      Except for:

      DWF And, from the same article, Express Viewer.

      "In fact, ANY CAM software: not available on a Mac."

      True. Except for stuff like Cenon.

      Again, this is what I was complaining about. "Oh, I learned the name of this software package and it's not on the Mac. Thus, there's no software for the Mac."

    40. Re:Games. by R3d+M3rcury · · Score: 1

      "What about large scale 'Enterprise level' CRM applications? The same for accounting servers? Hospital applications?"

      Sigh.

      On the Hospital side, check out Antidote Solutions. For multi-user accounting, there's Absolute Accounting. CRM, well, if it's "Enterprise Level", I'd imagine that it's web-based.

      Really, people. Rather than asking silly questions, check out Apple's Macintosh Product Guide. There are over 23,000 products. They can't all be drawing programs...

    41. Re:Games. by snuf23 · · Score: 1

      I can't comment on the paticulars of the medical software but that accounting software looks like a toy compared to enterprise level Windows ones.
      Just because there is "an option" on the Mac doesn't mean it compares with industry leading software on other platforms.

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  6. Well... by The+MAZZTer · · Score: 1

    There's this special type of software called GAMES... >_>

  7. Not needed by IntelliAdmin · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    I don't think for one minute a regular Mac user is going to even take advantage of the Boot Camp software. This is really aimed at converting those who use Windows all the time, and now have an excuse to buy a cool Mac machine. You should have instead setup a site for first time Mac users - it would get a lot more attention.

    1. Re:Not needed by jcr · · Score: 4, Informative

      I don't think for one minute a regular Mac user is going to even take advantage of the Boot Camp software.

      Guess again.

      A whole lot of Mac users have one or two apps that they have to use for work, that aren't available for the Mac. Also, anyone designing a web site pretty much has to test it with Internet Exploder. Boot Camp is the alternative to wasting desk space for a Dell.

      -jcr

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    2. Re:Not needed by TMonks · · Score: 1
      test it with Internet Exploder.

      I really hope that was a typo, cause its got to be one of the best Freudian Slips I've seen in a while.
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    3. Re:Not needed by Riquez · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Also, anyone designing a web site pretty much has to test it with Internet Exploder. Boot Camp is the alternative to wasting desk space for a Dell.
      What?! Your crazzzzzy
      Boot Camp would be almost useless to a web designer or developer - you have to reboot to test it.

      padding: 3px 5px 2px 2px;
      Perfect in Safari, right now lets reboot into windows & check IE (time passes..)
      .. nahh, thats out, a bit less on the sides i think, ok lets reboot back to os x (time passes..)
      padding: 3px 4px 2px 1px;
      hmm, looks ok in Safari still, righty oh, reboot back to win (times passes..)

      ARGGHHHH!
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    4. Re:Not needed by prell · · Score: 4, Informative
      Also, anyone designing a web site pretty much has to test it with Internet Exploder. Boot Camp is the alternative to wasting desk space for a Dell.
      Or you could use BrowserCam :-)
    5. Re:Not needed by jcr · · Score: 1

      No, that's the term I've been using ever since MS bought it from Spyglass and started screwing it up.

      -jcr

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    6. Re:Not needed by WinterSolstice · · Score: 1

      True enough. I looked at Boot Camp, but as soon as I realized I'd have to go *purchase* XP or something, I completely lost interest. I was actually kinda thinking of running FC5 or something on my Mac occasionally for fun. XP on here? No thanks. I have RDC/VNC for the one Windows app I am paid to use (Frontrange Heat, the ever-loving piece of crap. Not iHeat either... the full-blown version). I refuse to waste my hard disk just to play *games*. Come on, that's why I have a PS2 and an XBox 360 on the way. I don't do games on here except WoW :D.

      -WS

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    7. Re:Not needed by i_am_not_a_bomba · · Score: 1

      Internet Explorer 6 works with Wine, i should think it works under Darwine as well.

      It made me feel odd seeing that big blue e on my KDE desktop.

    8. Re:Not needed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't want to make you feel really stupid but, Mac has had an internet exploder port for a looong time.... They don't need MS Windows to test it! Hell even sparc solaris had internet explorer for a long time. I remember at my old EDA company (where all the engineers pretty much ran solaris), one of the engineers was using internet explorer on solaris as his primary web browser. It was one of those "WTF" moments. Anyways, as far as web development goes, I think Mac might have more browsers supported on it than any other OS. At my current job (I'm working at a very large computer manufacturer, but not apple) I have one Mac in my lab that currently it's only job is to do web browser testing for: internet explorer, firefox, safari, and opera. I've got a debian box to test a few other browsers, mainly konqueror... but I think konqueror (as well as kde) is somewhat supported on macos already (might need to install the X server). So if I really wanted to, I could do ALL my web browser testing from one machine: Mac OS X.

    9. Re:Not needed by Hercules+Peanut · · Score: 1

      Guess again.

      A whole lot of Mac users have one or two apps that they have to use for work, that aren't available for the Mac. Also, anyone designing a web site pretty much has to test it with Internet Exploder. Boot Camp is the alternative to wasting desk space for a Dell.


      Actually, those people are much better served by emulation software. Having to reboot for one application or, worse, a quick check of a web site modification with one application is not suited for dual-booting. I'd rather have two computers on my desk. No, for me, like many Mac users, I have one app that is Mac only and I want to launch it within OSX just like Classic apps do (at worst).

      That's not to say that dual-booting isn't without merrits to me. I like games so I might DB for that. OTH, with all of the viruses, spyware and other crap, I might just get an Xbox360 or PS3 so as not to have to deal with it.

      Bringing this OT, Forte Agent news reader was really nice and so was Auction Chief. I haven't found anything quite as good for the Mac. Other than those two apps and games, I'm happy with my Mac at home. At work, Minitab is the one app that keeps me on Windows.

    10. Re:Not needed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Internet Exploder??? Is that another name for Insecurity Enhancement?

    11. Re:Not needed by MFINN23 · · Score: 1

      My most frustrating problem with osx is the lack of good filesharing programs. So, i would say that BCDC++ is a must have that is worth booting windows for.

    12. Re:Not needed by pavon · · Score: 1

      Screenshots are no substitute for using the browser. It doesn't tell you if your java script is working, it doesn't always tell you if your page triggers reflow bugs, and it doesn't tell you if the browsers interpretation of your CSS affects the usablility of your site, and not just the appearance. I've run into many problems on other sites where a div (like a floating ad) is extended over the body of the main div. It wasn't visible, but it prevented me from clicking the links in the text of the article, or worse by making the link in the floating ad apply to the entire page.

      You need to check your page with all the modern browsers, so you need to have a copy of windows either on another machine or in something like VMware, to test with.

    13. Re:Not needed by jevan · · Score: 1
      Also, anyone designing a web site pretty much has to test it with Internet Exploder. Boot Camp is the alternative to wasting desk space for a Dell.

      Waste desk space... why? Just put a headless windows box under the desk and rdp into it from the mac.
  8. Can I suggest by zappepcs · · Score: 2, Funny

    that you try this new application that is out... Linux :-)

    Yeah, maybe not that funny, but its required here

    1. Re:Can I suggest by afaik_ianal · · Score: 1

      that you try this new application that is out... Linux :-)

      But can it run Linux?

    2. Re:Can I suggest by moo083 · · Score: 1

      Really? Linux came out for Windows? I didn't realize it was cross-platform!

    3. Re:Can I suggest by Quantum+Fizz · · Score: 1
      Well, the poster wants something on Windows. I suggest two "classics", both of which can be easily accessed from the DOS command prompt. 'edlin' and 'debug'. All the user-friendlyness of UNIX with the historic flavor of MS-DOS.

      I wonder how many Windows geeks are here on slashdot that don't even know about those two programs.

    4. Re:Can I suggest by barefootgenius · · Score: 1

      I would have said;
      1) Anti virus
      2) Decent firewall
      3) Spyware cleaner

      --
      /. bug #926803 - Why I can post.
    5. Re:Can I suggest by zappepcs · · Score: 1

      Well, you can't say you've been around the proverbial block with computers if you don't know how to use edlin and vi... that's just the facts... sort of like the sun rises and sets...

    6. Re:Can I suggest by ShaLouZa · · Score: 1

      Windows geeks Nice oxymoron. :-)

    7. Re:Can I suggest by alphamugwump · · Score: 1

      I know what you mean. That old DOS stuff does have a quaint sort of charm, sort of like stone age cave painting. A lot of people also forget the one advantage of the dos kernel: it was absolutely TINY. Linux is so huge now, it won't even fit on a floppy.

      Though, windows doesn't even come with edlin anymore :( I was so upset when they got rid of it, I didn't eat for a week. No kidding.

      Anyhow, if you want to switch to windows, the first thing you want to get is MinGW. Seriously, the windows command prompt can get really irritating, really quickly, when you try to type 'ls' and nothing happens, and when you don't get tab autocomplete. It's the sort of thing you notice when it isn't there.

    8. Re:Can I suggest by Quantum+Fizz · · Score: 1

      Funny story, when I was sitting in on a comp sci class back in the mid-90's at my university, one of the first days the prof was going over basic unix shell commands. When he showed the redirects and pipe, one student said "Hey, this is like DOS" and the prof said, "No, DOS is like UNIX, poorly." Awesome.

    9. Re:Can I suggest by dylan_- · · Score: 1
      A lot of people also forget the one advantage of the dos kernel: it was absolutely TINY. Linux is so huge now, it won't even fit on a floppy.
      It wasn't that tiny. I remember seeing what bits I could remove from a boot floppy to get the networking stuff on there! Anyway, Linux on a floppy still exists.
      --
      Igor Presnyakov stole my hat
    10. Re:Can I suggest by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What? Then I have an even better "application" to try out -- it's called OpenSolaris, and it just booted fresh on an intel Mac:

      http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/message.jspa?messa geID=32019#32019

    11. Re:Can I suggest by maxwell+demon · · Score: 1
      Well, the poster wants something on Windows.

      Like coLinux?
      --
      The Tao of math: The numbers you can count are not the real numbers.
  9. iTunes! by jcr · · Score: 5, Funny

    Best app on Windows, bar none.

    -jcr

    --
    The only title of honor that a tyrant can grant is "Enemy of the State."
    1. Re:iTunes! by NerdENerd · · Score: 0, Troll

      What? You like running a bloated advertising app for the iTunes store just to listen to your music collection. My biggest regret of buying an iPod is having to install that crap on my PC.

    2. Re:iTunes! by fireman+sam · · Score: 1

      Best app for windows, pearpc (pearpc.org).

      --
      it is only after a long journey that you know the strength of the horse.
    3. Re:iTunes! by Achromatic1978 · · Score: 1

      Install ml_ipod for Winamp, then. It's what I use, and I have never darkened my PCs doorstep once with iTunes.

    4. Re:iTunes! by NutscrapeSucks · · Score: 1

      Especially if you like Windows apps that follow Mac UI conventions.

      --
      Whenever I hear the word 'Innovation', I reach for my pistol.
    5. Re:iTunes! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I tried ml_iPod once when I first got an iPod. It was incredibly buggy and didn't seem to sync right (ie it would say the songs copied over, but they hadn't). Maybe things have improved since then, but since it didn't work at the time I installed iTunes and have slowly grown to like it. I still use Winamp as my default player because it's faster, but iTunes has its time and place.

    6. Re:iTunes! by TheDauthi · · Score: 1

      Bah. He's looking for something unique. I'm sure that iTunes runs under wine.

    7. Re:iTunes! by Ohreally_factor · · Score: 1

      Bah. He's looking for something unique. I'm sure that iTunes runs under wine.

      I think Codeweavers is working on Crossover iTunes.

      --
      It's not offtopic, dumbass. It's orthogonal.
    8. Re:iTunes! by Tim+Browse · · Score: 1
      I installed that a few weeks back, to try it out. The UI was clunky (partly due to Winamp, partly due to the plug-in), and the features didn't match what I wanted.

      At no point did I attempt to sync my iPod or transfer songs with it, but about a week later I noticed that thousands of songs are missing from my iPod - basically, only songs specifically named on my playlists are on my iPod any more.

      Coincidence, perhaps. But I don't think I'll be trying it again.

    9. Re:iTunes! by lucaq99 · · Score: 1

      ha ha Creo que hay chic@s aki que no peuden hablar en español y no van a entenderte...

    10. Re:iTunes! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't get how people like Itunes (or however they want you to spell it). I've only tried it a few times on Mac OS so I can't really comment on that, but on Windows.. oh god does it suck raw eggs.

    11. Re:iTunes! by Procrastin8er · · Score: 0

      You have obviously never used iTunes on Windows with fast user switching enabled...

      --
      Slashdot - Where the slash is most definitely to the left.
    12. Re:iTunes! by LordVader717 · · Score: 1

      Last time I tried, it didn't. It might be fixed now, but it didn't get to intall.

    13. Re:iTunes! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's not nearly as useful on a computer that boots XP with Boot Camp...

    14. Re:iTunes! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As much as I hate the bloated iTurds, I am not going to use or trust some 3rd party junk to manage ipod related stuff.

      At least I only need iTurds for getting stuff on/off & keeping things managed; I use foobar2000 for all my audio playing needs.

    15. Re:iTunes! by jcr · · Score: 1

      Especially if you like Windows apps that follow Mac UI conventions.

      Exactly. It's one bit of blessed relief in the vast wasteland of Windows apps.

      -jcr

      --
      The only title of honor that a tyrant can grant is "Enemy of the State."
  10. How about... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Cygwin

    1. Re:How about... by swimin · · Score: 1

      Running a compatibility layer for a compatibility layer, to get back to where you started. That's pure genius!

    2. Re:How about... by MikeFM · · Score: 2, Informative

      My favorite Windows apps:

      Firefox
      Thunderbird
      Gimp
      OpenOffice
      Putty
      Filezilla
      Inkscape

      Other than that about it's good for is games.

      --
      At what price learning? At what cost wisdom? The price is a man's peace of mind, and the cost is his life.
  11. Internet Explorer by masterpenguin · · Score: 5, Funny

    Now you too can be amazed how fast your mac can turn from a sleek machine into a pop up filled zombie email machine.

    1. Re:Internet Explorer by Koiu+Lpoi · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Well, maybe not first time windows users, but for first time internet users I would give them the following:
      1) Firefox
      2) Wikipedia
      3) Google
      And tell them to go exploring.

    2. Re:Internet Explorer by Deliveranc3 · · Score: 1

      Opera, I've seen Safari you'll be disapointed with iExplore or Firefox...

    3. Re:Internet Explorer by Diamon · · Score: 1

      Just make sure you tell them to give Google back when they're done with it, I was planning on using it later today.

    4. Re:Internet Explorer by umedia · · Score: 1

      "Now you too can be amazed how fast your mac can turn from a sleek machine into a pop up filled zombie email machine." What else would you expect from a user base that prides themselves on not knowing what a dll is?

      --
      "Humans are considered to be primitive, the third smartest species on Earth"
  12. Games by biocute · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Play as many PC games as you like.

    1. Re:Games by AKAImBatman · · Score: 2, Funny

      And thus it is proven that most Windows users don't actually need Windows. They need an XBox instead.

      Wait...

      Hold on...

      Uh huh...

      This just in: XBoxes suck too. Most Windows users need a Mac and a Nintendo Revolution. That is all.

      There you have it folks. The definitive answer to why you [don't] need Windows.

    2. Re:Games by Shihar · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The X-Box (or play station or nintendo) is fine for some games, but PCs simply are the no-holds-bar winner in many types of games. When it comes to strategy games, MMORPGs, FPS, and real time strategy games, consoles simply don't cut it. There is a damn good reason why when playing Halo online PC users and x-box users are not allowed to play each other. The reason ISN'T because they can't make the two talk. The reason why the two can't play together is because the keyboard and mouse combination is vastly more powerful then fooling around with those thumb sticks. Console users would get pwn3d.

      That is not to say that console gaming is bad. In fact, console gaming kicks the piss out of PC gaming in many ways. I would never want to play Mario or a driving game on a PC unless I had a game pad. Consoles are awesome because you can invite a bunch of friends, crash on the couch with four controllers, and beat on each other. Console games have their place, but so do PC games.

    3. Re:Games by Black+Copter+Control · · Score: 1
      BTW: They're changing the name. It's no longer going to be called windows. The new name is
      Wintendos
      The only really good use for it, if you've got a Mac is games. Pretty much any other serious work can be done with OSX or Linux.

      If you haven't used the remaining Windows-only apps yet (like autocad), chances are that you'll never find a use for them.

      --
      OS Software is like love: The best way to make it grow is to give it away.
    4. Re:Games by tepples · · Score: 1

      And thus it is proven that most Windows users don't actually need Windows. They need an XBox instead.

      So what about games developed and self-published by hobbyists and smaller firms? Those can't go on Xbox because of the prohibitive costs of demonstrating financial responsibility to Microsoft's satisfaction and purchasing a development kit.

  13. notepad? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    notepad rocks!

  14. VLC Media Player by Chanticrow · · Score: 2, Informative
    VLC Media Player is a fantastic media player for Windows. It plays just about everything without worrying about codecs or plugins.

    Videolan Website

    1. Re:VLC Media Player by AKAImBatman · · Score: 1

      Here, let me fix that for you:

      VLC Media Player is a fantastic media player for Linux, Mac OS X, and Windows.

      It's hardly a reason to run Windows.

    2. Re:VLC Media Player by ScrewMaster · · Score: 1

      Yes, VLC is pretty good. Crystal Player, though, has a much more elegant user-interface, and if you download the K-Lite Mega-Codec Pack and turn off the internal splitters, even the free version plays everything I've thrown at it.

      --
      The higher the technology, the sharper that two-edged sword.
    3. Re:VLC Media Player by Chanticrow · · Score: 1
      Yes, but after screwing around with Windows Media Player and a variety of others it was nice to finally find something that worked without hassle.

      Heh, I'm really not helping the argument for Windows here, am I?

    4. Re:VLC Media Player by AKAImBatman · · Score: 1

      Heh, I'm really not helping the argument for Windows here, am I?

      Not in the slightest. On the upshot, VLC is sounding better than ever!

    5. Re:VLC Media Player by aveldina · · Score: 1

      It might be worth noting you can get a mac version of VLC as well.

    6. Re:VLC Media Player by Barny · · Score: 1

      /agree

      VLC (all versions, windows, linux and mac) is a great "all in one" solution, been pre-installing it on PCs at work (small system builder) for a while now, would be a bit more helpfull if it was an .msi file, but with the file tree + registry file on the site it can be cobbled together without much work.

      As a good side effect you won't need dvd playback software (typically comes with dvd rom/burner, so mac would not have a windows version of these)

      --
      ...
      /me sighs
    7. Re:VLC Media Player by geminidomino · · Score: 1

      Not so great for Linux. It's a whore to build...

  15. Decent file manager by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Total Commander, or Salamander Commander. Both are excellent file managers, and they make WinZip un-needed.

    1. Re:Decent file manager by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So did the inclusion of a zipper/unzipper in WinME

    2. Re:Decent file manager by Immercenary_2000 · · Score: 0

      7zip is another package that can make/decompress zip, rar, and tar files. It's also free software (both beer and speech).

    3. Re:Decent file manager by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      'Directory Opus' (www.gpsoft.com) is the file manager i've settled on after 12 years of working with Windows. It features it's own scripting interface to define custom views/buttons/contextMenus. It also provides a visual frontend to this scripting interface so that you can easily combine pre-defined commands to assign almost any file manipulation trick imaginable. Learning this tool can seriously shave time off of mundane everyday tasks.

      If interested, the following URL provides a quick rundown of the power features:

      http://www.pretentiousname.com/opus/index.html

    4. Re:Decent file manager by odujosh · · Score: 1

      Umm Windows XP you can unzip .zip files without any utility. Also Web Developers tend to use a PC. If MAC has a Web Development platform I have never heard of it.

  16. Hmm by Stevyn · · Score: 1

    Depends on what you're interested. The only applications I'd rather use over open source counterparts are part of the Microsoft Office 2003 and Photoshop CS. I use windows and linux and those are the only applications I prefer using the windows counterparts. Of course, nobody really uses office unless they have specific work to do, but photoshop is fun and useful.

    1. Re:Hmm by NerdENerd · · Score: 1

      Photoshop and Office are available for Mac OS X. Not much point dual booting to run apps you already have installed un OS X.

    2. Re:Hmm by Stevyn · · Score: 1

      Good point. However, does office for the mac include visio? that's pretty much the best part of office 2003 for windows.

    3. Re:Hmm by mattkinabrewmindspri · · Score: 1

      There's a Mac program called OmniGraffle, which is much more capable than Visio and which is also easier to use. There's also OmniGraffle Pro, which is generally more than is needed, but either way, there's no need for Mac users to get Visio.

    4. Re:Hmm by mrchaotica · · Score: 1

      Except for interoperating with Visio users, that is.

      --

      "[Regarding the 'cloud,'] ownership was what made America different than Russia." -- Woz

    5. Re:Hmm by mattkinabrewmindspri · · Score: 1

      No, if you read the second link I posted, Omnigraffle Pro can open Visio documents and export to Visio format.

    6. Re:Hmm by mrchaotica · · Score: 1

      Ah, OmniGraffle Pro; I see. I had only ever used regular OmniGraffle, which did not interoperate with the Visio users in my project group, (unfortunately) rendering it mostly useless.

      --

      "[Regarding the 'cloud,'] ownership was what made America different than Russia." -- Woz

  17. In one word ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Solitaire.

  18. O RLY? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful
    1. Re:O RLY? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah - about 10 people. Wow, that's a lot.

      Plus, we don't know the specifics - did they choose the wrong partition and replace their OS X partition? Maybe they just don't know about choosing the OS at boot-time, or setting the default?

      And of course, it is possible that it has something to do with Bootcamp being beta software. But for all we know, it is simply due to less technically inclined users stuffing things up as they are wont to do.

  19. My favorite software is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Vmware to run Ubuntu.

  20. tiny elvis by tjr · · Score: 1

    http://forchetti.org/tinye/

    Can't beat Tiny E.

  21. Must have by LiquidCoooled · · Score: 3, Informative

    Theres something most folks will overlook (and I'm looking past the flamewar)

    The first couple of stops should be to AVG and Firefox

    Being a mac user, you know windows has viruses, and well firefox speaks for itself.

    --
    liqbase :: faster than paper
    1. Re:Must have by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Firefox is native on Mac OSX (Camino is tweaked to use all the OSX features).
      Norton, Sophos and Macafee have anti-virus solutions for Macs as well.

    2. Re:Must have by Icculus · · Score: 1

      I'm guessing the GP was pointing out that you should be sure to get those things straight away so you aren't running your new shiny Windows install naked (read: IE w/ no virus protection), not that they aren't available on OS X.

  22. Essential by Dorion+caun+Morgul · · Score: 1

    Norton, or Mcaffee Antivirus software. 2-3 Antispyware programs. Adaware is a nice free one to start off with. Firefox, Windows comes with this wonderfully secure browser, but its gimped by its incredibly weak security.

    1. Re:Essential by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's hilarious. Lists of antivirus and firewalls being given as examples of "unique, elegant, can't-do-without apps". I guess technically they're "can't-do-without" apps, but I wouldn't describe it as "some of the great innovation happening over on the Windows platform."

      "Yeah, yeah, here's a list of programs whose sole purpose is to make Windows more secure but still less secure than OSX. Have fun!"

    2. Re:Essential by FuturePastNow · · Score: 1

      Norton and Mcaffee both suck. I mean, they're both terrible, poorly written, resource-intensive programs. The best anti-virus software I've found is AVG Free Edition. Though, realistically, you only need AV software if you open email attachments and download stuff from websites that aren't obviously trustworthy.

      For antispyware software, the only ones to use are Spybot and Ad-Aware. Again, you only really need those programs if you use Internet Explorer. Don't. Get Firefox instead.

      What else is good and useful? VLC has been mentioned, it's the best media player. Some of these Powertoys are useful, especially TweakUI. For Instant messaging, Trillian is the best, though GAIM gets better all the time.

      Other than that...games. I don't have any recommendations for those, you'll just have to find what you like. Have fun.

      --
      Give a man fire, and you warm him for the night. Set a man on fire, and you warm him for the rest of his life.
  23. Post is a troll? by yorkrj · · Score: 1

    Cool! The post is a troll! :)

  24. The Only Windows Software you Need... by No+Salvation · · Score: 3, Funny

    AVG, Zone Alarm, AD-Aware and Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion and you should be set.

    --
    I'm agneglectic, too lazy to care if there is a God.
    1. Re:The Only Windows Software you Need... by JonathanR · · Score: 1

      Just a comment on your signature:

      The form agnostic, from which you derive your witicism, is composed of the parts a and gnostic

      An agneglectic would probably be one who doesn't tend to their vegetable garden.

      It is the same as sexual and asexual

      Thus an asneglectic would be one who doesn't clean themselves after evacuating their bowels.

    2. Re:The Only Windows Software you Need... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  25. Record Streams with SDP by Krimsen · · Score: 1

    I personally like the ease and simplicity of SDP (plus it's free) for recording various types of streams. -- Dave

  26. Depends on what "useful" means. by Kent+Brewster · · Score: 2, Informative

    If you plan to use it for development, you can't go too far wrong with TextPad and WinSCP.

    You might also find Tunebite useful, if you subscribe to any online music services.

  27. first thing I'd get by yagu · · Score: 5, Informative

    First app I'd buy is vmware (hey, it might be free now!) so you can run OS X on it.

    No, really, all seriousness aside, I am a big user and fan in XP of:

    • Photoshop Elements. Make sure you're looking at version 4 at least. I'm quite sure this is also a Mac product, so if you're already playing with that in OS X, never mind. PSE is a light version of Photoshop for about 1/4 the price depending on where you purchase. It has most of the digital manipulation functionality I need, and interestingly has some features VERY useful not found in Photoshop.
    • AVG Anti virus for antivirus. I'm using the free version -- so far I've found it excellent, and haven't had any problems with the machine at all (note: it's a good idea to ensure you have de-installed all of the commercial products in the meantime -- aside from not working very well, they can step on other running anti-virus programs).
    • the Ubiquitous OpenOffice, and it's free. It can be a resource hog, but I've not had any Office product installed on my XP boxes for years now and never had a need, and OO just keeps getting better.
    • The OpenCD which includes browsers, all kinds of cool and fun free software. Pick and choose, these'll take you a long way.
    • Picasa for organizing and sharing and printing (and minor editing) pictures. I wasn't much of a believer in this one, but because of its simplicity I recommended and installed and consulted this for friends and family. And finally was hooked -- it really does a great job for all of the organizing I need. (I believe it's probably on the OpenCD). It may not rival the iPhoto (or whatever OS X has), but it's a sweet product.
    • MoodySoft Screen capture software. I do a lot of work requiring quick and easy screen captures. This one's not free, but it's not expensive either, and I've tried about a gazillion different products, so far this has been the best for me.
    • Any combination, or even full suite of cygwin software. If you have ANY scripting needs, to get real work done and already know shell and unix utils, this is ESSENTIAL (and, it has an excellent X Server).

    This is really a tiny partial list. It's a shame I have so many programs I like to run in XP, cuz I always prefer the linux or some variant of unix environment. But, this is a small sample of what gets me through an XP kind of day.

    1. Re:first thing I'd get by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Offtopic, but doesn't your signature apply to every desktop OS and most servers too. My OS X and Linux boxes need to be rebooted once a month or so if I want the kernel patches to take effect.

    2. Re:first thing I'd get by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you're probably mostly right, but this is an anti-MS site, remember? ;-)

      And, I guess I haven't found myself needing linux kernel patches necessary to keep the system that current... aren't the security patches in linus generally a bit further out from the kernel?, like modules, etc.? Those don't require re-boots.

    3. Re:first thing I'd get by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      anti-virus doesn't count as a "cool app."

      well, until bill gates got involved, anyway.

    4. Re:first thing I'd get by NitsujTPU · · Score: 1

      Woof. OO.O is almost becoming usable, mostly because, as hardware advances, its slowness will become less noticable.

    5. Re:first thing I'd get by dtfinch · · Score: 1

      Just about the only time you reboot Linux is for kernel patches. Windows Server 2003 wants to reboot for almost everything. The core of the problem is its mandatory file locking (mis)feature, which often forces it to replace updated files while the related services are not running. They've decided the most reliable way to do this is to reboot.

      If you upgrade a service on Linux, you just restart the service at your own convenience and the upgrade takes effect. That's seconds of downtime rather than minutes, and the downtime only affects what gets upgraded. In Linux and every other unix-like operating system, you can (if you want) replace a file that's in use, such that anything using the original can continue accessing the original until it's closed. Windows can't do this. It lacks this and a lot of other filesystem features that are commonplace in every other major OS.

    6. Re:first thing I'd get by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      Just about the only time you reboot Linux is for kernel patches. Windows Server 2003 wants to reboot for almost everything. The core of the problem is its mandatory file locking (mis)feature, which often forces it to replace updated files while the related services are not running. They've decided the most reliable way to do this is to reboot.

      Are you sure it's mandatory locking that causes this? I thought it was because Microsoft uses the filename as a primary key internally, so that a file can't be deleted from a directory while its still in use like it can on Linux/Unix.

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    7. Re:first thing I'd get by dawnread · · Score: 1

      Open office is fucking gash, seriously. It'll do the job if you don't want or can't afford MS Office, but to suggest it in a list of best apps on Windows is a farce. It slow, huge, buggy, terrible user interface etc. Example 1 - Write a 'Word' (or 'text' - ugh) document and numbered headings (1.1, 1.1.1). Get to the end of 50 page document and after review find you need to add more sections in the middle. Attempt to add more sections. Find that adding new numbers doesn't change work properly, causing you to have to manually edit 50 pages of numbers. Import into Word in a desperate attempt to finish your document. Find that the document structure is so broken Word can't fix it. Tear your hair out.

    8. Re:first thing I'd get by AliasTheRoot · · Score: 1

      Really, you are either completely clueless about OSX or trolling.

      The Adobe software is available on OSX, and though they are being completely useless about porting it to i386 OSX it's not a reason to run Windows. Hardcore photoshop people tend to favor the Mac anyway.

      Running Windows to run AVG anti virus software? *shudder* Perhaps not run Windows and not bother with it?

      OpenOffice? There are perfectly good versions of MS Office on both OSX and Windows, again no reason to use Windows. Haven't checked recently, maybe OO has been ported to OSX anyway - it's still a dog tho.

      OpenCD for browsers? Whats wrong with Opera/Firefox/Safari on OSX?

      Picasa? I'd stick with iPhoto tbh.

      Moodysoft Screen Capture

      # Command + Shift + 3 = grab screen to pdf file on desktop

      # Command + Control + Shift + 3 = grab entire screen and place on clipboard.

      # Command + Shift + 4 = grab region of screen to pdf file on desktop

      # Command + Control + Shift + 4 = grab a region and place it on the clipboard
      I this one pretty useful, it allows you (for example) to grab a screen area and paste it into an email message...?

      Cygwin? Are you on crack with this? OSX has a terminal with Bash, and Xwindows is available as an optional install right on the install CD.

    9. Re:first thing I'd get by Wannabe+Code+Monkey · · Score: 1

      Picasa [google.com] for organizing and sharing and printing (and minor editing) pictures. I wasn't much of a believer in this one, but because of its simplicity I recommended and installed and consulted this for friends and family. And finally was hooked -- it really does a great job for all of the organizing I need. (I believe it's probably on the OpenCD). It may not rival the iPhoto (or whatever OS X has), but it's a sweet product.

      Picasa is actually much much better than iPhoto. It's user interface is much more usable and looks way better. As a Mac user I'm pissed that Picasa isn't out for Mac, and I'm suprised that Apple hasn't done a better job with iPhoto compared to Picasa. Also, Picasa won't be on the OpenCD. The OpenCD: TheOpenCD is a collection of high quality Free and Open Source Software. Picasa isn't open source software (still wonderful though).

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    10. Re:first thing I'd get by dylan_- · · Score: 1
      Example 1 - Write a 'Word' (or 'text' - ugh) document and numbered headings (1.1, 1.1.1). Get to the end of 50 page document and after review find you need to add more sections in the middle. Attempt to add more sections. Find that adding new numbers doesn't change work properly,
      Just tried this now. It works exactly the way it should (insert a new heading and the numbers auto-update). I think you must have been doing something wrong here (you did specify them as type heading and allow OOo to do the numbering, didn't you?)
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    11. Re:first thing I'd get by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't understand this whole "screenshot program on Windows" business. Did you guys know that if you press print-screen, it puts a screenshot on the clipboard? If you press alt-print-screen, it puts a screenshot of only the current window on the clipboard?

    12. Re:first thing I'd get by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't be retarded. He didn't ask what he should get that's only available for Windows, he wanted to know what indespensible programs first-time Windows users should check out.

    13. Re:first thing I'd get by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And for those who only need a word processor, Abiword is much faster than OO.O and even a bit faster than Word. It's also GPL, and thereby /.-friendly.

  28. Re:Painlessly...HA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Shouldn't that be "pane-less"?

    Sorry...Sorry....

  29. Re:Painlessly...HA by nial-in-a-box · · Score: 1
    Painless?

    http://news.com.com/2061-10793_3-605969 4.html

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  30. Some stuff to get you started by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    I recommend this, this and this.

    If you're willing to hack around a bit, these guys can probably help you with getting a real OS on there.

  31. Most important (mini)app for you Mac users by QuantumG · · Score: 4, Informative

    If you have a single button mouse, like most Mac users, you'll need to:

    1. Press Start
    2. Select Control Panel
    3. Select Accessibility Options
    4. Select the Mouse tab
    5. Select the check box Use MouseKeys
    6. Press ok.
    7. You can now close Control Panel.
    8. Press the - key on your numeric keypad.
    9. Point your mouse cursor at the window or icon where you want to right click.
    10. Press the 5 key on your numeric keypad.

    At present I'm not aware of any apps that you can get that will convert Apple+click to a right click. But I'm sure there'll be one available from the Apple web site soon, they seem to be doing everything in their power to make running windows on a Mac as painful^H^H^Hless as running it on any other x86 hardware.

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    1. Re:Most important (mini)app for you Mac users by 3)+profit!!! · · Score: 3, Informative
      At present I'm not aware of any apps that you can get that will convert Apple+click to a right click.

      What about this?
    2. Re:Most important (mini)app for you Mac users by partridge · · Score: 1
    3. Re:Most important (mini)app for you Mac users by MustardMan · · Score: 4, Informative

      Uh... this is only relevant on the MacBook. The iMacs all ship with the two-button mighty mouse, and the mac mini is BYOKDM. And, as another poster pointed out, there are workarounds available. The software is BETA.

    4. Re:Most important (mini)app for you Mac users by omeomi · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Why not just buy a 2-button mouse? It's not like it'll break the bank...

    5. Re:Most important (mini)app for you Mac users by srw · · Score: 1

      Because that would defeat one of the advantages of owning a Mac. Please refer to the following Macintosh ad:
      http://www.aresluna.org/attached/computerhistory/a ds/international/apple/pics/percon8404mac1

      (read the text near the mouse) ;-)

    6. Re:Most important (mini)app for you Mac users by muzik4machines · · Score: 0

      it's_CTRL_!,not apple/option

    7. Re:Most important (mini)app for you Mac users by PhunkySchtuff · · Score: 1

      If you have a single-button mouse, then you probably can't run Windows on your Mac anyway.
      All Intel Core based Macs ship with the Mighty Mouse a two (well four) button mouse, that works quite well in Windows. Also, with BootCamp, you get a whole heap of Apple specific drivers that help things along, but from memory there was nothing special installed to deal with the mouse - it's a standard USB Human Interface Device.

    8. Re:Most important (mini)app for you Mac users by powermacx · · Score: 1

      None of the Intel-based Macs have a 1-button mouse, so your tip only applies to the MacBook's trackpad.

      The Core Duo iMac (as the G5 iMac before it) comes with Apple's 3 buttons+scroll ball "Mighty Mouse", whereas neither the Mac mini or the Mac Book Pro come with a mouse, so you'll probably buy a multi button mouse to begin with, since they are just as useful under OS X.

    9. Re:Most important (mini)app for you Mac users by albanac · · Score: 1

      If you have a single button mouse, like most Mac users,

      Is this actually still true? I mean, I'm a Mac user (PowerBook), and I know quite a lot of Mac users of various types, and I dont know a single one with a one-button mouse. I know there must be some, because Mac are still selling the things and the laptops ship with only one button, but ... who doesn't buy a USB mouse with a decent number of buttons and plug it in?

      I mean, seriously. I haven't run with less than five buttons since my first personally-owned computer (only had three on that mouse). I switched my main operating environment to a Mac in 2002, but it never occured to me to suddenly stop using my mouse functionality...

      ~cHris
    10. Re:Most important (mini)app for you Mac users by 10Ghz · · Score: 1

      many times, using an external mouse with a laptop is a pain in the ass. Which is why I can't understand why Apple doesn't move the Mighty Mouse button-tech in to iBook/PowerBook

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    11. Re:Most important (mini)app for you Mac users by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Um, wouldn't it be easier to Ctrl-Click? That's the one-button equivalent of a right-click, which apple has had available for a long time.

    12. Re:Most important (mini)app for you Mac users by Hatta · · Score: 1

      the mac mini is BYOKDM

      Bring Your Own Keyboard ??? Mouse

      What am I missing?

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    13. Re:Most important (mini)app for you Mac users by MustardMan · · Score: 1

      Bring Your Own Keyboard, Display, and Mouse.

    14. Re:Most important (mini)app for you Mac users by Hi-Nu · · Score: 1

      Or you can just hit shift + f10

    15. Re:Most important (mini)app for you Mac users by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Any Mac that has boot camp, an intel chip, and can run Windows came with the Mighty Mouse. It has 2 buttons, infact it has 4 and a 4 way scroll wheel too... I wish ppl would get over stupid old stigmas about stupid old computer systems and try somthing new for a change

    16. Re:Most important (mini)app for you Mac users by QuantumG · · Score: 1

      There's these portable computers now called Laptops.. and some of them are made by Apple. They all have one fuckin' trackball/scratchpad button. So yeah, you can use an external mouse, or you can use the equipment you fuckin' paid a fortune for.

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  32. Picasa by twitchingbug · · Score: 1

    I think it's much much better than iPhoto. Sorry, but it's true. I hate the way that iPhoto forces you to organize your photos in a particular style. iTunes has this problem also. Also I think Picasa is a bit more integrated with Gmail (which i use and love) and Blogger (not so good, but what I blog with).

    1. Re:Picasa by Yaztromo · · Score: 3, Informative
      Picasa lets me 'monitor folders', something iPhoto will not let me do. I hate having to 'import' pictures into iPhoto everytime I want to see my new pictures there.

      This is easy to set-up with iPhoto. Just create an Automator task that takes the files in a folder and auto-imports them into iPhoto when activated. Create a folder to dump photos into, and enable it's folder actions to call your Automator task whenever a file is added to the folder. Done.

      Non-destructive edits. I can touch, crop and do anything I wish to my pictures in Picasa and it doesn't hurt the original picture at all. I can come back later and undo everything I did. If I wish to retain my changes, I can simply export the current state of the picture. On iPhoto, the edits you do are non-undoable once you are done with the edits. Very painful for a photographer who wants to quickly try out some edits before opening up the full-fledged Photoshop.

      In the Library view, right click on the photo and select "Revert to Original". Edits in iPhoto are also non-destructive -- editing an image actually creates a new image file. The original is still present on your hard drive -- you just have to tell iPhoto to revert to the original, and you're ready to go.

      These may not solve all of your issues with iPhoto, but if you feel the need or requirement to work with it, hopefully knowing these two tricks will make it a little less annoying to you.

      Yaz.

    2. Re:Picasa by alphakappa · · Score: 1

      Thanks for that automator tip...

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    3. Re:Picasa by slim · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Never mind the features: Picasa is touchy-feely and has what I believe Mac people call "The snappy".

      I bought a Mac Mini because I thought it might be a good idea to store my growing photo collection on a machine that belonged to me, rather than my employer. I allowed myself to believe the hype about iPhoto, was curious about OSX so I chose the Mac.

      With 1GB RAM, iPhoto 5 takes unacceptably long to start up, stutters while scrolling through the library, freezes for seconds at a time, and generally gets in the way of doing what you want to do. It does work in the foreground (so you have to wait) that should happen in the background ("Saving changes..."). Verbs are frequently where I least expect them to be. The import process is messed up (it expects you to name the "roll" before showing you what's on it. I can't find a way to rename the roll afterwards).

      It's possible iPhoto 6 is an improvement, but I'm damned if I'm paying $79 to find out.

      On my work Windows laptop, with half the RAM and half the CPU speed of the Mac, Picasa is speedy and fluid. Verbs are where I expect to find them; nothing is fiddly and everything makes sense.

      On the bright side, the Mac runs Firefox acceptably, and does a nice job of running Azureus...

      To wrench us back onto topic: is it worth dual booting your Mac just to run Picasa? Possibly not -- rebooting is a pain in the arse. But I would seriously recommend any Mac zealot spend an hour or so playing with Picasa, just to remind themselves that it *is* possible that someone other than Apple can do usability. If there was an music library that used the Picasa approach to UI -- "Tucasa"? -- I'd drop iTunes in a heartbeat.

    4. Re:Picasa by Alioth · · Score: 1

      I'm pretty sure iPhoto keeps the originals - I certainly see them go by when I do my rsync offsite backup of my photos.

    5. Re:Picasa by kwerle · · Score: 1



      "Done" in the sense that if you want to copy all your image files, you're done. Not done in the sense that if you just want to point iPhoto at a firewire drive with more gigs of images than you have space and work with the images there, you can't do it (easily).

      iPhoto was amazing when it was first released. It was free, easy, and better than anything else. It continues to do what it does VERY VERY well. But I want more from my tools, now. (I wanted more back then, and suffered with the program from Cannon because it let me organize my own photos).

      I'm a Mac user and I have Picasa envy.

    6. Re:Picasa by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Regarding points 2 and 3, these are addressed in iPhoto 6

      Regarding point 4, I really don't understand how you arrived at the conclusion that "the edits you do are non-undoable once you are done with the edits." You can ALWAYS revert to the original at anytime. Simply select any edited pic, right click and select revert to original, or choose revert to original from the photos menu.

  33. Must-have software? by crossmr · · Score: 5, Informative
    1. Re:Must-have software? by jonwil · · Score: 1

      Forget Trillian, go with Miranda IM which is 100% free (as in GPL) and is more lightweight than Trillian too.

    2. Re:Must-have software? by crossmr · · Score: 1

      does it actually have working the vast multitude of things that trillian does? I can't count the times someone has said "try this" and its missing this feature or that feature, etc.
      as for lightweight... I've never had an issue with resources being used by trillian.

    3. Re:Must-have software? by suv4x4 · · Score: 1

      "AVG... Ad-aware:... Spybot Search and Destroy:... Hijack This!:... Spywareblaster:"

      Hm.. anyone see a pattern here?

      "Firefox"

      Firefox! Yei! But then what do we need all those spy/ad-aware/antivirus apps for?

      "Trillian:"

      Oooh... that's why...

    4. Re:Must-have software? by crossmr · · Score: 1

      Trillian doesn't have any spyware unless I missed something in a memo?
      I keep all those programs (except for hijack this) on my PC, scan about every 6 weeks, never find a thing.

      The best defense is a little intelligence in your habits, for a lot of other people I meet, I recommend most of the above programs and tell them to run them once a week or more depending on how bad of shape they're in when I come across them. Even if they're using firefox I still recommend them because you never know what shiny thing they'll click on and try and install.

    5. Re:Must-have software? by Brandybuck · · Score: 1

      Three quarters of your list is stuff just to get rid of Windows annoyances. You make a very good argument to stick with the Mac.

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    6. Re:Must-have software? by suv4x4 · · Score: 1

      "Trillian doesn't have any spyware unless I missed something in a memo?"

      No thank god ;) But unfortunately it has a terrible record full of vulnerabilities, exploits etc. It's kinda like the IE of instant messengers. Maybe since they gotta support a lot of providers or I dunno.

      But that's the sort of impression this, otherwise pretty functional and useful software, left in me.

    7. Re:Must-have software? by Prune · · Score: 1

      Trillian's IRC plugin is the crappiest IRC client ever. I mean, it doesn't even support fserve, for starters. And if you're in a ton of channels all the time, you better turn of logging, or as logs start getting larger, it slows down to a crawl.

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    8. Re:Must-have software? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      GAIM instead of Trillian. Trillian kept on losing my logs.

    9. Re:Must-have software? by crossmr · · Score: 1

      Well I have had it since 2001/2002, memory is a bit fuzzy, never had an issue with it, I think that goes back to the using computers with intelligence thing. Thats why I also recommend all that backup to people anyway. Should they still get something through firefox/trillian/email/etc they can clean most of it up with that.

  34. Free stuff by realmolo · · Score: 1

    You know all those little goofball utilites that perform some really simple but ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY function and are $25 time-limited shareware on the Mac? There are at least 50 *free* versions for Windows.

    1. Re:Free stuff by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You know all those little goofball utilites that perform some really simple but ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY function and are $25 time-limited shareware on the Mac? There are at least 50 *free* versions for Windows.


      That's because most are some form of malware. It's mostly just the really big companies (Sony, MS) that are arrogant enough to actually charge for their malware.

      Live and learn...

    2. Re:Free stuff by bnenning · · Score: 1

      You know all those little goofball utilites that perform some really simple but ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY function and are $25 time-limited shareware on the Mac?

      No, not really. What are you thinking of? In my experience most "necessary" functions are either not necessary on a Mac or trivially done with shell or Perl scripts.

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    3. Re:Free stuff by mrchaotica · · Score: 1

      All those little utilities can be found for free on Mac OS as well (and even some Free Software ones are available), and the ones that do cost money typically have a much better interface than free substitutes.

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  35. Re:Painlessly...HA by nial-in-a-box · · Score: 1
    OOPS, some AC already got this. Hell, I grabbed it from digg anyway.

    Here it is as an actual link, which I was too lazy to do the first time around:
    http://news.com.com/2061-10793_3-6059694.html

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  36. Off the top of my head: by Russ+Steffen · · Score: 5, Informative

    AVG Anti-Virus
    Hijack This
    Spybot Search and Destroy
    Adaware
    Microsoft Anti-Spyware (aka Windows Defender)
    SpywareBlaster
    KeyloggerHunter
    ClamAV
    avast!

    That should get ya started.

    1. Re:Off the top of my head: by catwh0re · · Score: 1, Troll
      I also enjoy format c:

      Which is something Windows users get quite familiar with too I hear.

      It basically goes like this
      Oh no the system is destroyed and displaying random DLL error messages when I try to load task manager, regedt32, control panel, windows defender or my virus scanning software because the latest virus/worm/etc managed to get through the most recent patches and up-to-date virus checker and circumvent the system at the knees because there is insufficient permission protection of system files.

      Since I wasn't willing to have sacrificed half my HDD space and first born for the windows system backup to chew up my resources in the background as it methodically dissolves my free space one Gbyte at a time. I am left to reinstall windows or dodge various install options (press f8 to agree to the terms, press L to select this volume... what an awesome textual installer!) to reach the examine-repair mode.

    2. Re:Off the top of my head: by omeomi · · Score: 1, Informative

      I also enjoy format c:

      Which is something Windows users get quite familiar with too I hear.


      I've been using Windows since v3.1. I've had to re-install Windows twice. Both times were because of a failed hard drive. You can't easily blame Windows for that. The idea that Windows needs to be frequently reinstalled is a myth perpetuated by the folks who will install whatever spyware/adware crap they see online. It's not the operating system that makes it necessary to frequently "format c:", it's the malicious software that people are willing to install on their systems.

    3. Re:Off the top of my head: by catwh0re · · Score: 1
      While I agree with your comment to some point. What you are saying is like: "If you leave your machine off.. and never use it, then you won't ever need to reinstall windows."

      The reality is a lot of machines are compromised, and often remain to be without intervention. (something which has turned into a business practice, covered on /. a few times this year already.)

      In the time which I used Windows I found that I hadn't needed to reinstall as regularly as others have had to (usually a new version or new computer was enough for the grand-reload.) It is incredibly easy to get a Windows machine bogged down with malware since much of it requires that a user only be on the internet, not even using internet explorer. Also there have been cases of at least one financial institution which has been compromised and passes on malware to it's users. Also other cases where malware has been accidently distributed on CD to customers. (All of these stories have been covered in /. I'm just too lazy to do the search.)

      Now if Windows had adequetly held the helm of security throughout time then much of the entry points into a windows box wouldn't exist. (Something that wasn't planned in the original inception of windows as networking wasn't a huge thing back in the hey-day, and malware got around on floppy discs.)

    4. Re:Off the top of my head: by naelurec · · Score: 1

      It's not the operating system that makes it necessary to frequently "format c:"

      Well I suppose that is true.. if you have a computer with Windows installed, without a network connection and without any users -- it should work a-ok for quite some time and not require a reinstall.

      Infact, I have certain Windows machines that are not on an Internet accessible network, limit what users can do (basically run one or two apps) and overall work quite well.. NT4, Windows 2000 machines running for years (6-7 years or more) without much more than the occasional reboot (granted, not as good as some *nix systems, but for systems that do not require 24/7 uptime, an occasional reboot is not that bad).

      However, for a common use, internet capable operating system, it sucks. As far as I am concerned, Microsoft stated that Internet Explorer is part of the operating system and as such, if this part of the OS allows you to go to a website (or open an HTML email via Outlook/Outlook Express) and it installs malware on your system WITHOUT you having to download and install it -- its *NOT* a user issue.

      Of course, us "computer gurus" know that we can work around many of the inherant design flaws of Windows by simply utilizing other software (Firefox, thunderbird, etc..) in addition to due-dilligence in system maintenance, etc but ultimately, that is working around the issue and a poor excuse for claiming a system is fine and its all user error.

    5. Re:Off the top of my head: by Bacon+Bits · · Score: 1, Troll
      Oh no the system is destroyed and displaying random DLL error messages when I try to load task manager, regedt32, control panel, windows defender or my virus scanning software because the latest virus/worm/etc managed to get through the most recent patches and up-to-date virus checker and circumvent the system at the knees because there is insufficient permission protection of system files.
      Yeah, use Linux. It's not like there's ever any library conflicts or missing dependencies in that, right? And even if there are it's no worse than Windows. And Linux runs at non-root so you can't mess anything up. Because that's only been possible to do on a Windows box since 2000. It's been up to the user to make the choice to do so. But that's Microsoft's fault, right? Just like it's their fault that third party developers design ther software to run in admin level environments. How about we also blame the Samba team because the Mozilla suite is bloated?
      Since I wasn't willing to have sacrificed half my HDD space and first born for the windows system backup to chew up my resources in the background as it methodically dissolves my free space one Gbyte at a time. I am left to reinstall windows or dodge various install options (press f8 to agree to the terms, press L to select this volume... what an awesome textual installer!) to reach the examine-repair mode.
      I'd argue it's better than using Linux's fdisk. I still like how the Anaconda installers still just MORE the text of the list of parition types to the screen for you, and you have to remember the arbitrary number associated with the partition type you want. That's so much more intuitive that Window's installer.

      If you can't do a repair install of Windows because it's too confusing... I cry for you.

      I also remember a time, not long ago, when you had to manually configure the partitions for any distro you picked. There was no default. The first step in this process was determining what Linux was going to call your hard disk: hda? hdb? You had no idea, because the order it picks (primary master, secondary master, primary slave, secondary slave) is so non-intuitive. Not to mention Windows doesn't care where your HD is as long as a big enough drive exists. I remember specifically disconnecting hard drives from my system because it was so unclear which device was which. Yeah, that's easy to use.

      Now you have to pick how your partitions go. Swap is easy enough to understand, but when you go online and see five partitioning guides all recommend different things and none of them explain why they do what they do it is incredibly frustrating just getting to the point of picking which packages to install.

      Complaining that Windows is arcane and difficult to use when Linux was restricted to use by it's own developers and Unix admins because nobody else could understand how to even install it makes you look rather stupid. Linux has a learning curve like the cliffs of dover. Seriously. Download a copy of Red Hat 6 or Slackware 3 and install it. Now ask yourself: if I knew nothing about computers besides Windows, how could I do this?

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    6. Re:Off the top of my head: by omeomi · · Score: 1

      What you are saying is like: "If you leave your machine off.. and never use it, then you won't ever need to reinstall windows."

      Not at all. I work a fulltime job at my computer. I also use it quite a bit on nights and weekends. It's turned on 24/7. It's connected to the internet 24/7. I also have another Windows box, a Linux box, and a Mac. They're on all the time too. I've never had my machine bogged down by adware/malware because I don't install programs that contain adware/malware. My machines are all behind a firewall, and I use Firefox and Thunderbird instead of IE and OE.

      Now if Windows had adequetly held the helm of security throughout time then much of the entry points into a windows box wouldn't exist.

      That's partially true, but only to a point. Any system can be compromised, especially when users are frequently less than vigilant about keeping their systems clean. There's no such thing as a computer system completely free of exploitable bugs. The only reason that Windows is more vulnerable than OSX is because there are more people using Windows. It's a bigger target. I love OSX and Linux, but if you think they're bullet-proof, you're kidding yourself.

    7. Re:Off the top of my head: by WilliamTS99 · · Score: 1

      These are an absolute must to protect yourself from what you are about to subject your computer to. Just remember, all of the security and care free use that you are used to with the Mac OS is going to be gone the moment you run Windows on your machine. Consider yourself warned. As far as other software, the only thing that I really see that Windows has over Mac remains to be games. Other then that you can probably stick with your Mac OS. Good luck!!

    8. Re:Off the top of my head: by Captain+DaFt · · Score: 1

      a couple more;

      Startup Guard - Because something's eventually gonna slip by Anti-virus and malware scanners, so having something to alert you when a nasty is trying to modify the registry, ini scripts or start up directory is essential. (Free at www.acelogix.com)

      Orphans Remover - Because uninstall doesn't always get rid all the traces of unwanted programs in the registry. Keeps your system from eventually slowing down. (Free at www.digiarch.org/products.asp)

      TweakNow RegCleaner Standard - Clears out cruft and obsolete links in the registry. Run it after removing malware and virusess to make sure they're gone, but back up the registry first! (free at www.tweaknow.com)

      And in case you haven't figured it out by now, a good healthy dose of paranoia is essential to keep a Windows system healthy! (Windows makes an AIDS patient look healthy in comparison, tactless, but true)

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    9. Re:Off the top of my head: by omeomi · · Score: 1

      Well I suppose that is true.. if you have a computer with Windows installed, without a network connection and without any users -- it should work a-ok for quite some time and not require a reinstall.

      As I stated in a reply to another similar comment, that's just not true. My main computer is a Windows box. It's on 24/7 and connected to the Internet 24/7. I use it 60+ hours a week, and I've never had a problem with Adware, Malware, Viruses, or the like. Yes, it's behind a firewall, and I use Firefox and Thunderbird, but it's not like I had some sort of trouble doing that...Windows has it's drawbacks (when will they ever ditch DOS for command-line stuff, and adopt a *nix architecture?), but many of the oft-maligned security problems are not the fault of the OS, but of the user.

    10. Re:Off the top of my head: by NutscrapeSucks · · Score: 2, Informative

      Just for the Mac users out there, this obcession with having a "clean" Registry is the equivilent of "rebuilding the desktop" or "repairing permissions" -- it might have some psychosomatic effects, but it really doesn't make a bit of difference.

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    11. Re:Off the top of my head: by techno-vampire · · Score: 1

      Another great program for when (not if) your machine's acting weird is hijackthis. It tells you everything that runs when your computer boots, even programs called from other programs, and allows you to delete any you don't want running. You can even run it from a CD, although it will complain that it can't write a log file (It only writes to its own folder.) so it's easy to use at on friend's box.

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    12. Re:Off the top of my head: by Captain+DaFt · · Score: 1

      Up until a couple of years ago, I'd have agreed with you. Until I realized that it was taking over 15 minutes for my computer to boot.
      after checking it over thoroughly to make sure nothing was running that shouldn't be running, I was left with the options to re-install, or risk trashing the registry and try to clean it.

      Since cleaning the registry would at worst leave me facing a re-install, I went for it.
      Simply amazing, over a hundred obsolete entries, and best of all, drivers were linked 3, 4, 6, up to over a dozen times each!
      Seems there's a glitch somewhere on my systems that'll cause windows to relink to a driver if it doesn't respond fast enough on bootup.

      So I run the registry through the wringer about a twice a year now (As needed, for sluggishness), and so far it boots up in less than a minute most of the time.

      FWIW, I run 98SE now, have run 98, same problem with both. This computer runs Vector SOHO, no problems yet, learning pains aside, but I still run a 98SE system, because I am familiar with its quirks, and know how to work around them. (But it'll be gone after I feel a bit more at home with Vector)

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    13. Re:Off the top of my head: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Jump ship! ASAP =)

      Vector standard on this system with XFCE. The speed of 98 with the security of a modern linux distro. Ah the joy... Frankly I can't see why this little distro doesn't have more time in the spotlight along with Ubuntu.

    14. Re:Off the top of my head: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hmm interesting argument.. but I'm certain we were chatting about Mac OS and not linux. Thanks for wasting your time though. It figures that a windows zealot would make excuses for the shit environment that they have become accustomed to while simultaneously ignoring the rest of the thread... sounds like someone who refuses to open their mind to greener pastures. And no greener pastures isn't bliss.jpg

    15. Re:Off the top of my head: by Ginger+Unicorn · · Score: 1
      I used to have to reinstall Windows 98 almost monthly. This was before viruses/spyware were a problem, it was just that windows 98 gradually crumbled to pieces from the minute i installed it.

      Since i switched to win2k in 2001 i've only reinstalled it once due to an exploding hard drive. Win2k was great. I never had a reason to put slightly sinister windows XP on. Since I installed Ubuntu in October I haven't found any reason to use win2k anymore. I'm sure games would be a concern but i havent had any money to buy any games for ages so it's moot.

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    16. Re:Off the top of my head: by meringuoid · · Score: 1
      (Windows makes an AIDS patient look healthy in comparison, tactless, but true)

      Now, come on. With rigourous daily use of a cocktail of modern antimalware utilities, a Windows machine can be kept fit and healthy for years before finally succumbing. AIDS patients, OTOH...

      No, wait, hang on, perfect analogy :-)

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    17. Re:Off the top of my head: by meringuoid · · Score: 1
      Seriously. Download a copy of Red Hat 6 or Slackware 3 and install it.

      Kind of irrelevant, though. Red Hat 6 is antiquated. Slackware 3 is antediluvian. And the discussion here is of Windows as opposed to MacOS X.

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    18. Re:Off the top of my head: by straybullets · · Score: 1
      Your list includes different antivirus ( AVG Anti-Virus, ClamAV and avast! ).

      It may be worth saying to windows incults that you should not install more than one AV (or FW software for that matter), since these interface deeply with the windows "kernel" and this will cause problem.

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    19. Re:Off the top of my head: by ratboy666 · · Score: 1

      Thats FUNNY!

      All the "must have" applications are anti-spyware, trojan, &etc?

      Come on, there must be something else?

      Ratboy

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    20. Re:Off the top of my head: by NutscrapeSucks · · Score: 1

      OK, maybe these tools had value under Win98, but Mac users probably will wisely not be running that.

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    21. Re:Off the top of my head: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Off the top of his head, and over the top of yours...

      His list is entirely virus and spyware related making light of all the issues windows users have to put up with that the rest of us (Linux/Mac/BSD users) don't have to worry about.

      But just the fact that these programs have made their way into serious must-have lists indicates how much windows must be hardened before you can get even reliably use it for simple tasks.

  37. Yeah right... by slashdot.org · · Score: 1

    It'll probably deteriorate into a flame war at some point, but hopefully I can get a few contributions to each category before then.

    Whereas here on slashdot, a troll like that normally ends with a fruitful discussion and many meaningful contributions.

    Okay, I have one for you: SolidWorks.

    1. Re:Yeah right... by mrchaotica · · Score: 1

      If he needed SolidWorks, he'd already have known about it.

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  38. Dosbox by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Get dosbox, then visit websites giving away abandonware.

  39. Forgot one... by crossmr · · Score: 1
  40. yawn by Dan+Guisinger · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Okay, this is really the stupidest thing I've ever seen grace the front page of Slashdot......not that there aren't alot of others competing for a close second, but seriously.

    1) You need to have a reason to run applications. There are VERY FEW COOL applications. Boot Camp was made primarly for the business world and gamers who have programs that aren't ported.

    2) If you are a Mac user, why does it even worry you? Have you found your program selection limiting in what you do every day? Once again, most people don't sit and think of cool programs to run, they run a program because they need to get something done.

    If you don't have Windows programs, stick with OS X. I've got dual-booting Macs running Windows and OSX, and unless you have a need (and of course, the obvious: a valid windows license), why even bother?

    Once again.....
    1. Stupid Question + Stupid Editors
    2. .....
    3. Profit

    Slashdot motto

    1. Re:yawn by erroneus · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I generally agree with your "purpose first" approach but you have to see that there are people out there, millions of them, that buy computers without knowing why they bought them in the first place. And those same people often buy ANYTHING with the Apple logo on it...especially those lovely titanium laptops with the glowing Apple logo.

    2. Re:yawn by Octorian · · Score: 1

      Havn't you learned anything over the years? Mac users don't acknowledge anything until Apple hand-delivers it to them. When OSX first came out, think of all the Mac users who "suddenly discovered the UNIX workd". They never knew of it before, but now that Apple handed it to them, they suddenly took an interest.

      With Book Camp, now you'll find all sorts of Mac users who *suddenly* decided to discover that Windows was ok to run (despite what they may have said the week before Boot Camp was released).

      Damn, I hate old-school Mac users...

      (thankfully OSX has created two distinct classes of Mac users...)

    3. Re:yawn by Iaughter · · Score: 1
      Okay, this is really the stupidest thing I've ever seen grace the front page of Slashdot....

      1) You need to have a reason to run applications. There are VERY FEW COOL applications.

      2) If you are a Mac user, why does it even worry you? Have you found your program selection limiting in what you do every day? Once again, most people don't sit and think of cool programs to run, they run a program because they need to get something done.

      I think that it's important to understand that traditional mac users do make, read and use lists of "cool" software. Probably this is due to the devotion that long-time mac users show toward their systems and because there are fewer applications for the mac.

      While this article is obviously self-promotion for this guy's blog and of questionably worth as a slashdot article, I think that the list of Windows apps, as coming from a pure Mac user, is authentic and quite illustrative of the differences between Windows and Mac users.

  41. Putty by adnonsense · · Score: 1

    If you need to ssh out into the command-line-enabled world of real OSes, Putty (http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty /) will be your best friend.

  42. 4/11, not 4/1 by rjung2k · · Score: 1

    Now that I have a chance to painlessly dip into the Windows world, what I'd like to ask you is, what Windows software amazes you? I want to build a list of unique, elegant, can't-do-without apps, so all us new Boot-Camp babies can finally experience some of the great innovation happening over on the Windows platform.

    April Fool's was over a week ago.

  43. Now you can try... by xenoterracide · · Score: 0

    all of those viruses you've been hearing about so much. you can even take advantage of the slightly less popular trojans and worms.

  44. hello fish... by bokmann · · Score: 1

    welcome to the barrell...

  45. not an app by phalse+phace · · Score: 1

    but still important is to run Windows Update immediately after you install Windows.

    1. Re:not an app by SpaceLifeForm · · Score: 1

      No. He/she needs to have a firewall in place before
      even connecting to the net to do any online update.

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  46. DOpus clone - Must have! by mr.henry · · Score: 1
    Magellan Explorer is an Amiga DOpus-like file manager. There is an official DOpus for Windows, but I like this one better. It's not free, but there's a demo available.

    Once you get used to it, you can't live without it.

  47. MS Paint by ajd1474 · · Score: 0

    MS Paint

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  48. good software by Joe+The+Dragon · · Score: 1

    Windows® Defender Windows Defender (Beta 2) is a free program that helps you stay productive by protecting your computer against pop-ups, slow performance and security threats caused by spyware and other potentially unwanted software. http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?Fa milyID=435bfce7-da2b-4a6a-afa4-f7f14e605a0d&Displa yLang=en Stay way form starforce games. As for some good games Visual pinball + Visual PinMAME Play and build pinball games Visual PinMAME lets you play real pinball games on your computer with the roms form the real games. http://www.vpforums.com/ http://www.pinmame.com/

  49. my list by kv9 · · Score: 1
    1. Re:my list by kyb · · Score: 1

      Fortunately Robin, I took the precaution of listing my favourites a long time ago.

    2. Re:my list by TeknoHog · · Score: 1
      CD Ripping: Exact Audio Copy (only Windows can rip CDs properly)

      Except that Linux has cdparanoia that accomplishes the same.

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    3. Re:my list by Kichigai+Mentat · · Score: 1
      Video: Media Player Classic with ffdshow
      I actually prefer VLC. It runs pretty smoothly, has a number of fun filters and plug-ins (5.1 Virtualization for Headphones is really nice!), and best of all: everything is included in-house, no having to deal with ffdshow, or VFW junk. Everything is supported out of the box. Of course, if you feel like doing a lot of monkeying around with CygWin (which is a worthwhile app to download, just make sure you get the GCC packs), try out MPlayer. It supports nearly everything the Linux and OS X counterparts support, and has the exact same cold, utilitarian command line interface!

      IM: Trillian (needs to be replaced with a Jabber client + aim/yahoo transport)
      Been done. gAIM for Windows. Why not clutter up our 100% closed source, proprietary monolythic OS with all sorts of inferrior extensible, modulized open source apps? ;)

      IRC: Chatzilla
      Well, here's another cross-platform solution: XChat. It has a nifty tabbed based chat management system. Of course, if you want the true Windows/IRC experience, get mIRC, load it up with tons of scripts (both self-activating, and manually activated), and go running through the networks of the world. Just watch out for the UNICODE nasties (mIRC doesn't support UNICODE)

      Firewall: Sygate (needs to be replaced)
      I can't speak for Sygate, but ZoneAlarm is pretty good, in my opinion. (With exception to games) this is the only closed source recomendation I have here, but what Windows experience is complete without some closed-source freeware/shareware?

      This fun game: Typing of the Dead
      This one is definately worth a try. Quite fun! It's a little old, but worth it. Speaking of old and worth it, see if you can locate a copy of Commander Keen. It's not really Windows (DOS, actually), but I doubt you'd see it on a Mac.

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  51. cygwin and SFU by br0k_sams0n · · Score: 1

    As far as I know, both cygwin and Services for Unix only runs on Windows :) All jokes aside, when I'm forced to use Windows for productivity (not gaming which is the only time I choose to use Windows), cygwin is invaluable. I hear the new monad shell is much better than the crappy old cmd.exe

  52. Visio & simulators by castoridae · · Score: 1

    I'm a Mac user myself, and I know macs are supposed to be the shiznit for graphics... but I still haven't found a drawing program I like as much as Visio.

    I also find that I have to switch over to my windows box for some of my development & testing. In particular, there are very few mobile device simulators that run on non-Windows platforms. Basic WTKs are it.

  53. That's easy! by RoadWarriorX · · Score: 1
    Two critcal applications that any Windows newbie would need:
    1. Internet Explorer and Outlook Express - Microsoft's flagship end-user browser and email clients where you can experience a full array of various virii features first hand!
    2. Minesweeper - Pass the time you spend on the phone with customer support with this neat, addictive game!


    1. Re:That's easy! by techno-vampire · · Score: 1

      3. FreeCell An even better, much more addictive game.

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  54. all the cool apps... by CoolMoDee · · Score: 1

    With a lot of hackers and geeks now running OS X these days, it seems that most all of the cool/new apps are coming out for OS X (growl etc (though I am biased on that one)) and Linux...but the only cool windows app I can think of is PeerGuardian (slightly biased on that one too...)

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  55. 1st App Suggestion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    FDISK.

    Welcome to the world of Windows.

  56. Bob by yttrium · · Score: 1

    Hands down best Windows software ever.

  57. A real response to the question by Perseid · · Score: 1

    The Windows XP powertoys WinAmp Media Player Classic Daemon Tools (Allows you to mount ISOs and other images, attempting to defeat copy protections as well) WinKey (Lets you launch applications from Windows Key + WinRAR Some sort of notepad replacement. I use Notepad++ personally. ffdshow (Decodes DivX, XVid and almost everything else you can think of. Not needed if you use MPC) Civilization IV :)

  58. Best editor by tdknox · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Get UltraEdit-32. Best text editor I've ever used on Windows.

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  59. And, as a corollary... EMULATORS! by Stormwatch · · Score: 1

    Of course, there are emulators for most game systems on the Mac. But some are still Windows-only, or much better on Windows, or not updated to OSX: 3DO, Atari Jaguar, Neo Geo CD, Saturn, Dreamcast, SegaCD, 32X, WonderSwan, Colecovision, GP32, TurboGrafx...

  60. OT- why modded offtopic? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Hey everyone! I've got this groovy new site!! It doesn't have much content yet but it has fabulous potential! If all of you would just contribute something that'd be great!! Plus, all of the visits would create instant respectability!! Tres 7337
    Why was this modded Offtopic? It's obviously making fun of the OP's announcing a blog to "collect responses". I think the legitimate mod options for that post were: Troll, Flamebait, Funny, or Insightful.
  61. This is sarcasm... right? by Gribflex · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Right?

    Seriously though, there is nothing fun or amazing about the windows world (aside from games that aren't available on OSX). The only 'must have' applications are only 'must have' because my IT department says so.

    I'll tell you straight up - If you are using a mac happily now, you probably aren't missing anything.

    1. Re:This is sarcasm... right? by ajs318 · · Score: 1

      Got to agree with the parent. Unless it's games you're after; but, to be perfectly frank, you'd be much better off buying a games console {unless you have a good reason not to, such as no TV set}.

      Some have mentioned dual-booting Mac OS X and Linux. But there's not a hell of a lot of a point in doing that; OS X is just another flavour of unix, and you've already implied {by mentioning running Windows in the first place} that staying i-tal isn't a requirement. There's even less point in running Cygwin under Windows on an Intel Mac. If you want to run unix applications, run them in Mac OS X!

      If you still insist to run Windows, there's plenty of good stuff for you to start with on The Open CD. Can't believe nobody mentioned it already really; but I was browsing with a high threshhold, so maybe I just missed it.

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    2. Re:This is sarcasm... right? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > If you are using a mac happily now, you probably aren't missing anything.

      Apart from programs that I use on a daily basis that aren't available for the Mac, of course. Like 3ds max and AutoCAD, to name but two. But let's just forget about those.

  62. Re:New site!!! by PygmySurfer · · Score: 1

    I think THIS is what you were trying to say :)

  63. A few Apps I use religiously, everyday, everylogin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Screen Calendar. It overlays a picture of a calendar on top of your desktop picture (Translucent calendar), with every event you've so far set up in office outlook (Integrates nicely). Adaware is second, Kaspersky antivirus, or AVG-Free. Executive Software diskeeper. Limewire Pro, GIMP2, Google Earth. Snood. DVD Decrypter. Quicktime, obviously. 7zip, winrar, Wordweb. Spybot.

    Now I'll break it down from most to least used and liked.
    Wordweb, use it 30 times a day to look up words I stumble across (Has a fairly large amount of words in it)
    Screen Calendar, without it, I'd probably have a 60 average instead of my 95 in college. Helps me make sure I know what's happening and when.
    Adaware is as important as
    Kaspersky or AVG, your choice (Also AVAST is good)
    Executive Software Diskeeper, keep your system defragged. Can be a hellish problem, especially for people who don't understand, you can schedule it to run whenever you'd like, even low-priority background.
    GIMP2, Google Earth, Snood, Winrar, all good. I've played 1492 games of snood since August, which is actually kind of sad. Google Earth is great for finding things out about places (Check out the pyramids yo).

    Anyhow, number 1, do what you like. Secure your system, review the software, then grab it. Disable JScript, and use Firefox. Firefox has a great extension for JScript enabling/disabling.

    Good luck. Seriously.

  64. you will want bittorrent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    1. Download a bittorrent client like utorrent.
    2. Using utorrent, download the recent security update.
    3. burn the image to CD.
    4. restart computer to install the update.

  65. Great Windows apps by LnxGuit · · Score: 1

    For mp3 ripping, encoding, analysis, tagging and gain-normalizing, I like "Exact Audio Copy", "Lame", "EncSpot", "MP3BookHelper" and "MP3Gain". I usually recommend "Audacity", too!

    1. Re:Great Windows apps by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Audacity is available as a native OS X app too...

  66. Bring a sweater cause Hell just froze over by nEoN+nOoDlE · · Score: 1

    It's strange to see Mac users asking about "amazing Windows software" because aren't mac users mostly Windows converts? Windows PCs have been about half the price of Mac machines for about a decade. I figured the reason people paid that premium for a Mac is for the quality that they have over Windows PCs. Also, the notion of Mac people now wanting Windows software shows that Apple's plan could backfire. Isn't the whole Boot Camp thing so that Windows people can now have an opportunity to switch over to Apple without losing all of the software they've grown accustomed to?

    Anyway, to keep this on-topic, some amazing Windows software is
    Spybot Search and Destroy - great spyware killer
    AVG Anti-virus - self explanatory
    iTunes - great software for organizing and playing your music. Also has a built-in store where you could purchase new stuff.
    Konfabulator - great widget program with tons of free downloadable widgets online
    Photoshop - The industry standard photo editing software, but it's pretty expensive.

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    1. Re:Bring a sweater cause Hell just froze over by javaxman · · Score: 1
      It's strange to see Mac users asking about "amazing Windows software"

      I'm aware that sarcasm is difficult to convey via text, but in this context, is it really that difficult to detect ?

      I think I'm supposed to type "HAND YHBT", or something lame like that now...

      On the other hand, your reading of the situation is absolutely correct. Boot Camp is for people who already have a copy of Windows, and are otherwise invested in some sort of Windows-only software not for current Mac users... unless you mean it's for Mac users justifying a new Mac Intel purchase because they can now (a) get rid of an existing Windows PC, (b) do something they couldn't before, not that they need to, but it might be useful... or (c) run that crappy in-house VB app, or Outlook, or whatever it is that might have stopped them from using their Mac for work before.

      In that regard, it's pretty neat. Oh, and for web developers, guess what? You can test for every OS/browser combination you'd want ( except stuff you *really* don't care about, like, say, Solaris or Amiga ), all on one box. You're a developer or IT guy who has to use 3DMax or deal with an occasional VBscript or .NET component, but you like *nixy goodness and dead-simple OS X-yness? I'm trying not to want one, but I'm irresistably drawn to the MacBook Pro and the Intel Mini... I'm trying hard to hold out for a non-pro MacBook and an Intel PowerMac, but I don't know if I'll be able to wait very long... if I had just a little more money, that'd be it, it'd be all over, I'd own a set already... and no, I don't really *need* to run Windows... but I *could* get rid of my old PC, and I like the idea of that...

  67. The first thing... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The first thing you should do is pop a nice Sony CD into it to get your rootkit installed as quickly and cleanly as possible.

  68. Viruses!! by GodWasAnAlien · · Score: 0

    The most amazing things that exists on Windows is the viruses.

    These are things that you cannot live without, in Windows.

    Most MS applications allow you to embed viruses into each application document format. This makes for an ideal virus breeding ground. Especially when coupled with IE or Exchange which allow these documents/viruses to be installed with very little resistence.

    With later versions of the OS, there a warning that comes up, if you don't have "virus protection" software that helps work around the weak design. I think it pops up a message that says:

    "OMG, you are running with like no virus checking software. Are you crazy?"

    1. Re:Viruses!! by Black+Copter+Control · · Score: 1
      These are things that you cannot live without, in Windows.

      It's not that you don't want to live without them, it's that you can't -- unless you unplug your network cable before you boot. Even then, I'm sure you'll find one or two people who will complain that you're still not safe.

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  69. Windows Apps by weetjerm · · Score: 1
    I played around with Windows for the first time in years before getting linux up and running on a new computer. There are a few media apps that very well-programmed, light weight, unobtrusive, quite capable and FREE. These are what I miss on both on my OS X and Gnome desktops:

    Foobar2000 - An audio player that is a painful reminder how heavy iTunes feels. Has 10x the functionality, and brutally enforces good practices in keeping a media library. 0.9 just came out a few weeks ago.

    Media Player Classic - The only media player you'll need. With ffdshow, it handles just about anything I can throw at it, audio works, subtitles work, and its one exe.

    uTorrent - Everything you'd want from Azureus, in a 150k self-contained exe. Makes it almost manditory to leave it open all the time because its just that slick and efficient.

    BurnAtOnce - A cdrdao based burner with an amazingly simple interface. Who needs Nero with this around?

    Exact Audio Copy - THE cd ripper. cdparanoia works fine in most cases, but doesn't leave you 100% sure your rip is 100% perfect like this one. And this fits in almost any audio workflow with its advanced tagging, and command line support.

    More apps like these on other platforms please!

  70. Painless? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Let's face it, you're a masochist.

  71. Well by aitikin · · Score: 1

    Seeing as certain things aren't Universal, Photoshop, Indesign, etc. Other things that are cross-platform but aren't universal on OS X yet. Those are your best options for Boot Camp usage, aside from the obvious games.

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  72. The best are already on Mac by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I was thinking of the great windows apps I use - Audacity, Gimp, OpenOffice - Are you seeing a pattern here? I'd say most of the best tend to be open source which means they are more than likely already ported to Mac. I'm afraid that you're going to find this brave new world isn't that interesting after all.

  73. Here's a list by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    AviSynth: Frameserver, scriptable non-linear video editing.
    VirtualDub/VirtualDubMod: Video capture, linear processing. Use in conjunction with AviSynth.
    Isobuster: CD/DVD data recovery
    ExactAudioCopy: CD ripping even from badly scratched CDs.

  74. Re:New site!!! by idonthack · · Score: 1

    Wtf is 7337? Teet?

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  75. My list... by iSeal · · Score: 1

    Adaware Audacity AutoGK (DVD --> AVI) AviSynth (Handy for AVI manipulation) Azureus Cain & Abel Cygwin Daemon Tools (Virtual optical drive) DVD Decrypter DVD Santa (AVI --> DVD) DVD Shrink (9GB DVD --> 5GB DVD) Ethereal Firefox FlashFXP Foobar2000 GAIM Hydra IRC Kerio Personal Firewall K-Lite Codec Pack/Matroska Pack Media Player Classic Netstumbler Nero Burning ROM Nmap NVU (open-source Dreamweaver-like app) OpenOffice PHOTOSHOP!!! Putty Quicktime Alternative Quintessential Player (drop winamp) Rad Video Tools (Great for crossencoding video) Real Alternative Spybot S&D TagScanner (lists MP3s) Thunderbird Mail Trillian (Shaft it as you will, I like it) UltraVNC Virtualdub VLC WinRAR

  76. Spyware/malware posts by 1000101 · · Score: 1
    Half of the comments are suggesting software such as Hijack This, Spybot Search and Destroy, Adaware, SpywareBlaster, etc. You would think that all of the uber-geeks around here would know how to properly secure their system in the first place. I've been using Windows for years and have never had to install any of that software. Anti-Virus, a firewall, and a little common sense would help.

    As for suggestions:
    1. TextPad is a must.
    2. The Windows Power Toys are worth taking a look at (I personally like the 'Open Command Window Here' tool).
    3. Azureus for BitTorrent.
    4. Windows Grep comes in handy for searching files (No thanks Google Desktop).
    5. And of course, Visual Studio Express to get your hands dirty with some code.
    1. Re:Spyware/malware posts by styrotech · · Score: 1

      Half of the comments are suggesting software such as Hijack This, Spybot Search and Destroy, Adaware, SpywareBlaster, etc. You would think that all of the uber-geeks around here would know how to properly secure their system in the first place. I've been using Windows for years and have never had to install any of that software. Anti-Virus, a firewall, and a little common sense would help.

      Ahhh, but you're missing the point. That advice isn't for themselves, it's for a self confessed Windows newbie that will soon be installing anything and everything they can find off the net.

  77. After setting up Windows for a test. by Inoshiro · · Score: 1, Informative

    These are the "essential" applications (note: I use Linux and MacOS primarily, and I only have Windows around for testing; these are things I miss from "real" operating systems).

    * WinRAR. Yup, Windows doesn't ship with a decent compression tool.
    * PuTTY. No SSH included either.
    * Cygwin. Basics command environment, for working with the rest of your tools in a normal way.
    * TightVNC. Windows is not network aware out of the box.
    * Daemon tools. Much like MacOS, Windows doesn't have a good loopback tool. Daemon tools fixes this.
    * iTunes. Yes, I install it on all Windows installations :)
    * Azureus. How else do you download files nowadays?
    * FireFox. IE is not an option.

    This will take your basic Windows system, and give you proper text and gui network shells, a decent local shell, loop back, media organization, compression/decompression, and modern file downloading. I keep an NFS/SMB share with the latest version of these tools for when I wipe/restore Windows test boxes.

    I see lots of suggestions for anti-virus, keylogger, and spyware apps here. It's a waste of your time if you do not use Windows for anything other than games. The only way you'll get spyware is if you do something stupid like run IE or execute random programs downloaded while websurfing.

    I don't watch video on Windows, period, so I don't have applications for it; my Powerbook connects to my TV readily enough, and Mplayer's fullscreen mode looks great. I only use Windows for the rare PC game that doesn't load in Cedega, or testing.

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    1. Re:After setting up Windows for a test. by Osty · · Score: 1

      * WinRAR. Yup, Windows doesn't ship with a decent compression tool.

      Depends on your definition of "decent", of course. Windows since XP (and perhaps 2000? I don't quite recall) can open ZIP files from explorer without a third-party app. Sure, it won't open RAR, but then neither does WinZip, gzip, bzip, etc.

      * PuTTY. No SSH included either.

      Agree. PuTTY is teh awesome.

      * Cygwin. Basics command environment, for working with the rest of your tools in a normal way.

      Meh. Learn that Windows != Unix and you'll do fine. The cmd.exe environment may not be the most powerful, but it works in its own way. Think of it like tcsh for *nix. You may not really want to use it as your shell or for scripting, but you could if you had to. You may also consider 4NT or Monad/MSH. If you're suggesting Cygwin for scripting purposes, that just shows you know nothing about Windows. Scripting in Windows is just as powerful as in *nix, if not moreso, but you're going to have to get comfortable with jscript or vbscript and COM/ActiveX.

      * TightVNC. Windows is not network aware out of the box.

      Bullshit. First off, "not network aware" is the wrong way to describe this problem. Second, Terminal Server is built into Windows. You may have to turn it on (or jump through some hoops to turn it on, as in XP Home or MCE), but it's there. (In fact, it can't not be there, as XP's Fast User Switching is based on it, and any time you log into a WinXP or Win2K3 machine you're actually on a terminal server session that just happens to be local.) VNC is nice, but RDP is quite a bit better (unless you're working over dial-up, in which case VNC sucks but just not as bad).

      * Daemon tools. Much like MacOS, Windows doesn't have a good loopback tool. Daemon tools fixes this.

      And it also breaks quite a few games, especially those using StarForce. DRM and copy protection sucks, and StarForce is the worst of the bunch, but it's the price you pay if you want to play games.

      * iTunes. Yes, I install it on all Windows installations :)

      Because nothing says "Windows" like a badly written, poorly-ported Mac program :). Honestly, I'd rather use Windows Media Player or Winamp than iTunes. But then, I don't have an iPod either, so I'm not forced into using iTunes.

      * Azureus. How else do you download files nowadays?

      One of the better BitTorrent clients. Good UPnP integration, too. Not really a Windows app, though, as it's all Java/SWT.

      * FireFox. IE is not an option.

      Meh again. FireFox is nice, IE isn't nearly as bad as you seem to believe (0-day exploits aside, anyway, which you'd never run into if you were a little careful in your browsing). IE7 is getting much better, as well. Competition is good, zealotry isn't.

  78. One word: pr0n by macjohn · · Score: 1

    Yes it's true. As a dedicated Mac user, I'm continuously left, errr... interrupted .... as my streaming video freezes. Or worse yet, left trying to imagine what I cannot see because the cool preview turned into a black screen when I tried to play it.

    I know everyone thinks the Mac is the machine for the artistic types, but for high quality pr0n, nothing can touch windows. Pr0n and windoze: made for each other.

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  79. Photoshop . . . oh, wait by SlappyBastard · · Score: 1
    PS runs on Mac. Dammit.

    Well, I tried.

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  80. A few Windows pieces w/ no Mac equivalents by Evil+Dave+Letterman · · Score: 1

    I do almost everything on both Mac (home) and PC (work). And I don't game on computers. Heck, I barely game on my XBox.

    Unfortately, almost every GOOD piece of software that most people have already pointed out has a Mac version or equivalent that is as good or better.

    The one piece of Windows software that I can't live without, however, is Virtual Dub. While QuickTime Pro can do some things that VDub can do, VDub is more elegant and flexible than anything I'd expect on Windows.

    I also recommend Microsoft Visio. That's about it. Ugh. Go back to the Mac. Nothing to see here unless you're a gamer.

  81. Try ZuluPad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    I don't know if it's a can't-live-without sort of app, but it's a personal/desktop wiki application that comes in handy for jotting down notes:

    http://www.gersic.com/zulupad/

  82. Oh just about any WinPC game will do. by Pyrion · · Score: 1

    Seriously. That's the only reason I still use Windows.

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  83. First program you'll want to use by troyg · · Score: 1

    fdisk - or some other partitioning tool ;-). But on a serious note, Google Earth can be fun for exploring!

  84. Windows applications I cannot be without: by lahvak · · Score: 1
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  85. cygwin & VFP by fermion · · Score: 1
    If you run GNU tools on the mac side, download and install cygwin. This will allow some common apps on both platforms. I also run Emacs and OO.org on both my machines. I use iDisk with the MS Windows iDisk utility so i can get to things from the MS Windows machine.

    If you are into development, the MS development tools are pretty nice. Most people can mock up a GUI in no time. It is fun to make pretty pictures. In particular, Visual FoxPro is still a very good tool to rapidly create small and midsize databases, complete with GUI and reporting tools. MS, unfortunately, made it Windows only several years ago, and jacked up the price so that the POS Access would be a viable product.

    As most say, the big thing Windows has is games. There are also a few verticle market applications that are mostly available for Windows.

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  86. not so amazing but useful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Let's see... what do I put on a new windows box?
    Unlike linux distro's you have to add stuff to get basic functionality.
    It makes you wonder about all that bundling BS... I guess you get calc and IE.
    Windows media player? Doesn't have many codecs, you have to add them.
    But I digress.

    putty - ssh client to get to the linux box :-)

    picassa - google photo program, very clean

    firefox - browser that doesn't suck

    vim - vi editor (obviously a preference, some people like one that starts with e...)

    winamp - for playing back those tunes if you want something other than itunes

    adobe reader - for those damn pdf's

    what else... there are some cool games, of course, but you knew that :-)
    I use matlab at work, it's very useful but you wouldn't use it at home much I hope

  87. A good start off list by deezilmsu · · Score: 1

    Avast anti-virus: AVG is becoming a real piece, finding much better results with this program. Firefox: nuff said Thunderbird: again, it sells itself FileZilla: for FTP goings-on Nero: for doing CD/DVD burning OpenOffice: Still wish OO had full Access support, but it's the best we can do. iTunes: But you should know this already 7-zip: handles all your zip/rar/tar.gz/ file needs GoogleDesktop: to do all those widgety type things Acrobat Reader: stock install TextPad: Much richer than Notepad, and will even do some Java compiling, if that's your thing. Paint.Net: Beats the hell out of MSPaint, and you don't have to pay PhotoShop prices.

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    1. Re:A good start off list by Woldry · · Score: 1

      I'll second Avast heartily. Very nice, no-fuss antivirus.

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  88. What software amazes you by Aokubidaikon · · Score: 0
    ...Windows software amazes you? I want to build a list of unique, elegant, can't-do-without apps

    Very interesting that most of the software recommended so far is anti-virus and anti-spyware software (yes, of course these are unique to Windows) and open source software which is also available to Mac...

    The only reason a Mac user should have to run XP would be for the games.

  89. FreeBoat by Intraloper · · Score: 1

    Open source 3-D modeling and boat design software. Or if I decide to pop for it, Rhino commercial modeling software with its boat design extensions.

    I've been considering buying a second computer and runnign the Linux version of Freeboat. With BootCamp, I might just buy a new Mac, run windows from Bootcamp with as much isolation from the net as I can manage, and run the Windows version. And if I buy Rhino, I think its only a Windows version, at least for the extensions.

    I'm stuck with windows at work, but I cant think of a singe other app that would cause me to consider using windows personally.

  90. My personal most useful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    These are the first programs I install on every Windows machine I get my hands on. They serve a very simple purpose: to take care of all the Windows quirks and negate the need for any maintenance whatsoever:

    1) AVG Antivirus: This is amazing, lightweight and updates almost every day (http://free.grisoft.com/doc/1);

    2) CCleaner (Crap Cleaner): Removes all the "crap" that gets stored on Windows machines (unused and temp files) (http://www.ccleaner.com/)

    3) Opera Browser: The best browser, IMHO. No need for for any any extensions, lightweight... it simply rocks. Oh, and mouse gestures with simplify you life! (http://opera.com/)

    4) Foxit: Simple, no frills, lightweight pdf reader (http://www.foxitsoftware.com/pdf/rd_intro.php)

    5) Executive Software Diskeeper: Automatically and seamlesly defrags the hard drive and optimizes access time to most used files.

    BTW, all of the above programs are free, except Diskeeper.

    For me, thats basically it. I personally have no need for a software firewall, but if you do many recommend (Free) Black ICE (http://www.digitalriver.com/dr/v2/ec_dynamic.main ?SP=1&PN=10&sid=26412) or ZoneAlarm.

    And before anyone asks, using Opera (rather than IE) I have NEVER had any Spyware problems, so no need for Ad-aware or Spybot S & D.

    Using the above, you'll be alright and won't run into any mayor problems using Windows. Just make sure that you don't install any programs that contain spyware (Google for spyware before installing. If it does contain spyware I sure you'll find a suitable replacement that doesn't).

  91. The only thing I need... by MoogMan · · Score: 1

    Cygwin :-P

  92. Best Windows App of All Time!! by linguizic · · Score: 1

    Cygwin, I really can't do without it. I hate windows command line with a passion.

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  93. I have used a PC for 2 weeks by mogabog · · Score: 4, Informative

    I don't know how to use a PC. Give me OSX or a CLI and I'm fine. But I only used a PC for the only two weeks I worked in a cube.

    I worked in a mac-based office (not a design firm, a real office) and have done years of development exclusively on macs. My servers are OS X servers.

    I do not know how to use a PC more than basic point and click. I have no idea what a DLL is. I don't know what it means to flash BIOS. Why? Because I have never needed to know, nor have I wanted to know.

    As for the atom feed and stuff, that stuff is basic when you setup a blog. Come on.

    Maybe this is astroturf, but I am a very tech savvy individual and have hardly any knowledge of Windows or experience using it. And I love it.

    -A

    1. Re:I have used a PC for 2 weeks by AKAImBatman · · Score: 4, Funny

      I have no idea what a DLL is.

      It stands for "Display List List", which is a list of the Display Command Lists used by your Atari 7800 to render graphics to the television. This amazing technology is based on arcade hardware, making the 7800 the most advanced Atari ever! Just imagine, you'll soon be able to play such amazing titles as:

      * Ninja Golf
      * Fatal Run
      * Desert Falcon
      * Scrapyard Dog
      * Plus all your favorites like Ms. Pac Man, Donkey Kong, and Mario Bros.!

      And that's not all! With your new Atari 7800, we'll include the arcade hit Pole Position II at no extra charge! Isn't Atari just amazing?

      Have you played Atari today?

    2. Re:I have used a PC for 2 weeks by mrchaotica · · Score: 1, Insightful
      I have no idea what a DLL is. I don't know what it means to flash BIOS.
      Bullshit. If that were true, you wouldn't even know that they exist, nor would you have any idea that mentioning them is applicable to this discussion. By using them correctly in context, you've demonstrated that you already have more understanding of what they are than the average Windows user.
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    3. Re:I have used a PC for 2 weeks by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 5, Informative

      Well since you mentioned it on Slashdot, you are going to get told anyhow:

      A DLL is a Dynamic Link Library. Basically it's a collection of executable code that's not meant to be executed directly, but rather to be called by programs. Orignally the idea was to cut down on resorce usage as you only needed one copy of the code on disk or in memory. These days all programs get their own compy in memory (for stability reasons) and programs often include their own copies on disk to ensure they get the version they want. Their primary uses today are:

      1) To allow the easy use of 3rd party code. Say I want to encode MP3s or something, but don't want to write it all myself. Instead, I can just get LAME complied as a DLL, and put calls to that with my software. That also allows for the MP3 encoding section to be upgraded without messing with the main executable.

      2) To reconsile incompatible licenses. In my previous example, you could use a LGPL program (LAME) that requires source release without releasing your entire source wince it's called as a library. To link it in your own code would require opening up that code. Conversely, an OSS program can make calls to non-OSS software, with no problems. It never needs access to the code, just calls the library.

      Flashing BIOS is much simpler, it simply means to update the system BIOS. The BIOS is what loads when you first turn your system on. Some comptuers call this boot ROM, firmware, or a host of other names. Regardless, on the PC it's what loads when you turn the power on. Sometimes, computer makers with to put out fixes or improvements for that. To flash your BIOS is to apply the new update. Generally these days you just download and run a Windows program and it takes care of it.

    4. Re:I have used a PC for 2 weeks by D+H+NG · · Score: 1

      Claiming to be "tech savvy" without knowing Windows is like claiming to know the Chinese when all you've met are people in Hong Kong.

    5. Re:I have used a PC for 2 weeks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      They probably have heard of DLLs and "DLL Hell", but never bothered to learn exactly what they are. Just like I've heard of "FreeBSD Ports", but never bothered to learn how it works, since I've never used FreeBSD (after all, Netcraft says it's dying).

    6. Re:I have used a PC for 2 weeks by mogabog · · Score: 1

      I also know what a 3.5" floppy is. I have even successfully used one. That doesn't mean I know how one works. Same for Windows: Just because I understand technology terms doesn't mean I know how any of that technology works!

      I'm a geek for gods sake! I pay attention.

      Sure I know DLLs are important. I still don't know what the heck they do (until I read the post below).

      -A

    7. Re:I have used a PC for 2 weeks by mogabog · · Score: 1

      Tell that to my clients.

      -A

    8. Re:I have used a PC for 2 weeks by Voltageaav · · Score: 1

      As he is posting on /., and those aren't infrequent terms around here, I'd assume he had heard people posting about them here. Having read posts using the acronyms, most people can usually get an idea of the context a term they aren't familiar with just by reading/listening. Why is it that you completely dismiss someone who claims to have never used Windows and only Macs? While my office uses Windows and Linux, there are offices that only use Macs as well. If they do have a home computer, why go to a PC when they're used to using a Mac?
      Feel free to continue your witchhunt if you wish though.

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    9. Re:I have used a PC for 2 weeks by Z34107 · · Score: 1, Insightful

      You can't be considered "tech savvy" if you are in absolute ignorance of Windows. It is the dominating OS, after all, and not knowing how to use what's industry standard in a lot of industries is a Bad Thing.

      Besides, Macs have a BIOS, too.

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    10. Re:I have used a PC for 2 weeks by jedrek · · Score: 1

      I don't know what it means to flash BIOS

      Sure you do, Apple just calls it a Firmware Update.

      I haven't flashed a PC Bios since my BP6 back in 2000 though.

    11. Re:I have used a PC for 2 weeks by sumdumass · · Score: 1
      They probably have heard of DLLs and "DLL Hell", but never bothered to learn exactly what they are. Just like I've heard of "FreeBSD Ports", but never bothered to learn how it works, since I've never used FreeBSD (after all, Netcraft says it's dying).
      I wish you didn't post this as an AC. It is likley to get barried and no one will see it. I was going to post the exact same thing until i saw yours.

      I isn't inconcievable that someone has heard of DLL hell or anythign else referencing a DLL. I have several friends that don't use a computer at all. They don't need one at work and a playstation or Xbox is all the need at home. They have heard me talking about DLLs and lots of other stuff I doubt they know anythign about. They also talkm about thier works and I heard alot of things I don't know anything about. (like a presorting belt in a light machine in setpack.)
    12. Re:I have used a PC for 2 weeks by chrisxkelley · · Score: 1

      B.I.O.S. = "Basic input output system"

    13. Re:I have used a PC for 2 weeks by sycotic · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but they call it "Open Firmware" :-)

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenFirmware

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    14. Re:I have used a PC for 2 weeks by aichpvee · · Score: 1

      I don't think that's realistic at all. The level of tech savvy among even pretty advanced users of windows seems pretty limited. And they tend to be very narrowly focused on not only the technologies that microsoft pushes, but on the specific ways that these technologies are interacted with in windows. More like they understand what buttons to push in windows than actually having an understanding of what is going on.

      They also seem to have a hugely inflated evaluation of their own "computer savvy", though not quite as laughably as the mac users who brag about running "unix" at home, even though they don't know what that means.

      It's possible that I just haven't met enough windows users (I've met tons) or I live in the wrong town to meet ones who have a clue (Seattle), but that's sure how it seems.

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    15. Re:I have used a PC for 2 weeks by mogabog · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Absolute - no. I can open Internet Explorer and make sure my sites look right. Beside that I couldn't tell you what to do.

      I'm really shocked that folks like you find it staggeringly impossible that I know what I'm doing and have a good head on my shoulders and don't know much about Windows.

      I build web apps. I need a development machine (OS X) and a server (OS X). I know how they work, and I could take either one apart as much as I need to. I can even get around my DreamHost account just fine without a good knowledge of Windows. I need to test on IE from time to time, but that is it.

      I guess I'm what you might call a specialist. I know what I do quite well, and over the last 10+ years it has NEVER been important or necessary for me to use or learn much about Windows. It has never got in the way of my career or getting a job - it has never been a "BAD THING". Your logic is no good.

      I'm sure I'm an anomoly. It's by choice. Me and my little Apple-shaped world are doin just fine.

      -A

    16. Re:I have used a PC for 2 weeks by Znork · · Score: 1

      Any truly "tech savvy" person can pretty much use whatever is available. Nothing in Windows is conceptually unique or special, so anyone who's run half a dozen other operating systems the last decade would easily be capable of doing whatever was needed with Windows as well, provided the appropriate search tools and documentation.

      Personally, I've found feigning utter and complete ignorance when it comes to Windows is much more sociable than telling people to Type. Your. Fscking. Question. In. To. Google. Your. Self. I'm. Not. Your. Nanny. Does wonders for my mood, and lets me actually do what I'm employed to do.

    17. Re:I have used a PC for 2 weeks by Fred_A · · Score: 1

      There is a difference between "knowing Windows" and "being Windows savvy"...

      For example after 25 or so years of IT I can expect to figure out fairly fast how pretty much any Windows program works. I run the games I buy in Windows, I meet customers every day that run it. I'll probably even figure out where to set some sort of obscure network setting even though I've no idea where it is in Windows. Because I've gotten used to the way Windows does things. Of course that's true of any dumbed down system (I didn't have that much trouble with the basic settings when I bought an iBook a few months back either).

      On the other hand, I haven't actively used Windows for about 10 years (WfW). I've no idea what software is available to do this or that or to fill a given hole (except for the obvious AV and FW). I don't know how Windows actually works, the names in the process list are meaningless to me (all those stupid 8+3 names look the same after a while). I have no idea how to fix it when it's borked (apart from trying to run an AV or spyware remover)... To me it's a black box. Especially since it comes undocumented.

      So I don't consider myself to actually know Windows. I've met secretaries who knew Windows better than I do. Thankfully, I know Unix and networks better than they do. That's what I completely switched to back then. Nowadays Windows to me is a gaming system and the nuisance I remove for my customers. I don't need to know much about it.

      I still consider myself tech savvy though.

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    18. Re:I have used a PC for 2 weeks by Guy+Harris · · Score: 1
      I don't know how to use a PC. Give me OSX or a CLI and I'm fine. But I only used a PC for the only two weeks I worked in a cube.

      I worked in a mac-based office (not a design firm, a real office) and have done years of development exclusively on macs. My servers are OS X servers.

      I do not know how to use a PC more than basic point and click. I have no idea what a DLL is.

      It's a dylib. :-)

      (Yes, you have them on OS X. Look for all the files named ".dylib" on your machine. You also have them on a pile of other UN*Xes - look for files named ".so" or ".so.{numbers}", unless you're on, for example, HP-UX, where they're ".sl", or AIX, where I think they're called ".a" even though they're not just archives.)

    19. Re:I have used a PC for 2 weeks by MonkeyOfRage · · Score: 1, Offtopic

      All my foes are spelling or grammar Nazis.

      All of my foes are spelling or grammar Nazis.

    20. Re:I have used a PC for 2 weeks by FirienFirien · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Bullshit straight back at you. My dad had a Mac SE when I was old enough to think coherently, back when Apple was the field leader and MS was a whelp (yeah, it surprised me too, gizmodo came out with a '20 years ago...' post that was quite informative). Since then it was at each point easier to upgrade within the Apple line rather than switch over to Windows, even though Windows took over as market leader; when I got to university and could pick my first computer, I used the nice 25?33?% apple education discount (UK, don't know what it's like in the US) and got myself a flat panel imac. I was used to macs, and though I'd used programs in windows on the school computers, it was never enough to find out what a lot of the subsystem stuff was. Since then I've bought an iBook, using the handy installation process that copies your entire hard drive and filestructure over so there's no effective change between the first computer and the second. When I left uni and got a job, the office I now work in uses Apple computers exclusively, except one PC for the designers when they need to make a Rhino file in the right format for a windows user to recieve.

      Sure, I'm a rare occurence. But while I've wandered around the web enough to come across the terms (especially on bash.org), I've never had a need to find out exactly what they do. I think there's a difference between DLL and .dll files, and I think that BIOS is the sublayer you have to drop to when you want to configure new hardware like RAM or partition your hard drive. But while I've come across the term 'flash BIOS', it means jack shit to me. The only context I have it in is a quick wipe, and that's only because other utilities use the term in that way, and it's a complete guess when applying it to the BIOS as I understand it.

      You know why I don't know? Because I don't care. I'm a geek who uses macs, and I don't care about the hordes of people who told me I was doing it all wrong when apple were going down the tube, and I still don't care about the hordes of people who think I'm a moron for using macs. I have no need to know anything at all about the windows subsystem, and so when I come across the terms I see them but ignore them completely. I simply have no need to know what they mean, in the same way that when I see arcane sigs here, I can recognise them as being *nix terms or cryptography (I have familiarity but not mastery of the linux stuff, and I've read Cryptonomicon) - but their meaning isn't obvious simply by looking at them, and I don't have a reason to learn the meaning of each and every single one of them by looking them up or figuring them out.

      I may have more understanding of what they are than the average Windows user, just like the gpp. But by no means does that mean I understand them completely, nor that I care to know what they do. I don't need to.

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    21. Re:I have used a PC for 2 weeks by 1u3hr · · Score: 1
      like claiming to know the Chinese when all you've met are people in Hong Kong.

      There are 6 million people in Hong Kong, 95% of them Chinese. Most are Cantonese, but you bump into people from every mainland province you can name every day. Basically, HK is to China as New York is to the US. Not typical of the heartland perhaps, but you certainly do get a concentrated dose of the national culture.

    22. Re:I have used a PC for 2 weeks by zcat_NZ · · Score: 1

      Quite seriously, apart from (perhaps) 3d games and tax software there is really nothing the average user might want that can't be found for OSX or Linux.

      About the only other thing Windows has that other OS's don't is a staggering variety of malware; viruses, worms, spyware, adware, keyloggers, etc. I won't argue that there is _no_ malware on other OS's but in variety of malware and and number of infections, Windows is ahead by several orders of magnitude.

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    23. Re:I have used a PC for 2 weeks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      [I] have hardly any knowledge of Windows or experience using it. And I love it.

      Why would anyone "love" the fact that they're ignorant about something? This isn't a troll, I honestly want to know.

    24. Re:I have used a PC for 2 weeks by joecr · · Score: 1
    25. Re:I have used a PC for 2 weeks by KURAAKU+Deibiddo · · Score: 1

      With regards to tax software, Turbo Tax works quite well on Mac OS X. I've used it for both my state and federal taxes this year and last year. Although it is a valid point that the Windows world generally has the 3d games first, and there are games that are not ported to Mac OS.

    26. Re:I have used a PC for 2 weeks by rbochan · · Score: 1

      ...I do not know how to use a PC more than basic point and click...

      Well guess what... you're on par with 95% of the windows users out there in the world - seriously.

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    27. Re:I have used a PC for 2 weeks by Dr.+Zowie · · Score: 1
      These days all programs get their own compy in memory (for stability reasons)

      Real OS's like Linux, BSD, and OS-X (for example) all feature working memory managers that can (and do) share DLLs securely between different processes without duplicating the relevant blocks of memory. If Microsoft can't manage that, they're even sorrier than I thought.

      Here's a quarter, kid. Go get yourself a real OS.

    28. Re:I have used a PC for 2 weeks by poot_rootbeer · · Score: 1

      I have no idea what a DLL is. I don't know what it means to flash BIOS. Why? Because I have never needed to know, nor have I wanted to know.

      I have been a Windows user for over 10 years. I know what a DLL is, but apart from dropping one for a Visual Basic Runtime into the System folder, and occasionally trawling through them for interesting icon resources, I've never had any reason to deal with them. And I've never ever in my life flashed a BIOS. I've never had a reason to.

      Before we can answer your question about what outstanding Windows software is out there, we need to know what you're interested in. A graphic designer is going to have a different list of essential programs than a home-studio musician, than a casual internet user and occasional work-from-homer.

    29. Re:I have used a PC for 2 weeks by elrous0 · · Score: 0, Flamebait
      Here's a quarter, kid. Go get yourself a real OS.

      Tell me, out of curiosity--were you born a smug asshole, or did you have to work at it?

      -Eric

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    30. Re:I have used a PC for 2 weeks by mrchaotica · · Score: 1
      I pay attention.
      Exactly! That means you do know how to use a PC, moreso than most people! I don't know if you've actually seen a non-geek novice try to use a computer (running Windows, Mac OS, or anything else), but they are entirely incapable of paying attention. They have no understanding of context, they have no ability to see the similarities between different things with similar behavior, and they forget everything they've done the second they get up from the computer, forcing them to start from scratch again the next time.

      For example, my mother asks me where to type the address into Safari every time she uses the computer. She's just beginning to comprehend the idea that, even though different websites look different, that they tend to work the same way.

      If I so much as changed the position of the Safari icon in the dock she'd be completely lost. And if she tried to use a Windows or Linux computer -- or even a Mac, if it were modified to have different-looking widgets -- it would be impossible for her to apply what she (theoretically) knows to adapt to the new situation.

      Hell, just sitting down in front of the computer removes her ability to tell right from left! (I've got a multi-button mouse hooked up to the Mac -- but she was even more confused by the "zero button" mouse we had before.)

      That's why you already know how to use Windows: because even if there's something you don't know how to do, you have the ability to figure it out. Many people don't.
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    31. Re:I have used a PC for 2 weeks by misleb · · Score: 1

      Maybe this is astroturf, but I am a very tech savvy individual and have hardly any knowledge of Windows or experience using it. And I love it.

      You love Windows or you love having hardly any knowledge of it? If you love Windows, why don't you use it more? Getting to know it is really the only way to turn that love into disgust. Especially if you are a long time Mac user. I know this is the beginning of a flame war, but Windows has to be one of the most fucked up OS's under the hood that I have used in a long time (along with Netware). Between the aweful file naming (8.3-only file names in 2006?? WTF?) and the total lack of logical organization of system files, it is total mess. I sometimes wonder if MS runs every new OS through a special obfuscation program before it ships.

      -matthew

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    32. Re:I have used a PC for 2 weeks by himself · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Monkey of Rage correctly suggested:
      > >
      > > All my foes are spelling or grammar Nazis.
      > >
      > All of my foes are spelling or grammar Nazis
      >
            And I would humbly suggest the addition of a hyphen like so:
      -
      - All of my foes are spelling- or grammar Nazis.
      -
            But maybe that's just my personal preference.

    33. Re:I have used a PC for 2 weeks by Dr.+Zowie · · Score: 2, Funny

      No, no, I had to work at it :-)

      Seriously, the "quarter" quote is a reference to one of the most famous Dilbert strips of all -- in which the hairy, Birkenstock-wearing UNIX guru tells Dilbert to go buy himself a real computer.

    34. Re:I have used a PC for 2 weeks by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 1

      Because it means they didn't have to learn about all the crap of dealing with Window Issues.
        i.e. DLL Hell, Printers working on one system but not another, etc.

    35. Re:I have used a PC for 2 weeks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Shove your quarter. Win32 does share DLLs, the GP was mostly wrong. (Of course it depends on how the library is loaded, called, etc..)

      And if you didn't know that, then how the fuck can you bash? I always enjoy laughing at you *ix dorks who bash and bash and bash, but don't even know how Windows works at a basic level.

      Have fun getting your wireless dongle, and your digicam, that brand new graphics card and all your other spiffy ass toys working with your "Real OS", (OSX excluded) while I sit here and get work done on my 6month+ uptime Win2k box. (That plays games, too!)

    36. Re:I have used a PC for 2 weeks by Creepy · · Score: 2, Informative

      really?

      I didn't know Windows always creates copies of DLLs for stability reasons... that kind of defeats the purpose of dlls, but I can see if the library itself was unstable there may be some advantages to that. There is actually another legacy reason for DLLs - the code can be loaded or unloaded as needed, so a large app could use a much smaller memory footprint (and load much faster) since all functions of the app don't have to be loaded when the program starts up. This became more of a non-issue much earlier in the life of dlls, but some of the structure that supported it is still lying around (because it's useful for plug-ins).

      The traditional way a dynamic shared library works (specifically, a dynamic library means dynamic link library [dll] on Windows, shared object [so] or shared library [sl] on UNIX or UNIX-likes, and dynamic library [dylib] or framework on mac) is the application starts and checks its symbol table to see if all the symbols it needs are in memory. If it can't find the function for the symbol (and it's marked in a way that identifies it as dynamic), the program searches the library path for the first instance of the symbol it finds. The program then starts (loads) the library and updates the internal symbols to point to that library's address space. If the library is already loaded, the program dynamically links to the addresses in the library (but doesn't start it).

          It is also possible to indirectly load and unload libraries, which is how plug-ins work (normally the symbols the app needs for dynamic libraries are set at link time, so no special processing is required). On UNIX (and mac as of X.3, though there is another way to do it that worked on older OS's) this is through the dlfcn (dlfcn.h header - stands for dynamic library function) commands dlopen, dlclose, and dlsym (also some others like dlerr). I forget what Windows uses, but the idea and functionality is similar. The idea is you can load or unload and look up symbols as needed. A long time ago, this was for performance and memory reasons, as noted above, but is now pretty much exclusively used for plug-ins.

      Apple prefers using a special type of dylib called a framework. Essentially, a framework is a lot like an application on mac - a directory with a regular structure that looks like a file in the GUI.

          One of the problems with dynamic libraries is they can break if, say, some legacy code is removed from a newer version that is required by a certain app. This spawned app specific dynamic libs like the ones that often litter Windows directories. Apple people do something of the same with embedded frameworks. I've never really found an advantage to doing this over static linking (which copies the library into the app) outside of maybe patching, however, so it's probably not the most useful thing. I might be forgetting some good reason, but I can't come up with it at the moment - even third party code can be statically linked (but perhaps that's the reason - to be able to patch third party code).

    37. Re:I have used a PC for 2 weeks by Lightborn · · Score: 1

      Yeah too bad it's a nickel that's offered in the strip.

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    38. Re:I have used a PC for 2 weeks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey Batman, you need to control your alter ego Alex P Keaton. Gotta lighten up and no be such a FAG!!!

      Just a public service announcement.

    39. Re:I have used a PC for 2 weeks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You do know that you're only helping them, right? The more you badger them, the more you obscure who they really are. Anyone with half a brain already knows that the two are completely separate people (one lives in Illinois while the other is in California). But your badgering has served to create confusion, and thus makes it more difficult for those who aren't in the "know" to figure out who these people are.

    40. Re:I have used a PC for 2 weeks by senatorpjt · · Score: 2, Informative

      "Flash BIOS" is called "Update Firmware" on a Mac. Like you have to do before you can install Boot Camp.

    41. Re:I have used a PC for 2 weeks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Real OS's like Linux, BSD, and OS-X" So by real OS you mean an OS based on 1970's technology??

    42. Re:I have used a PC for 2 weeks by Rob_Bryerton · · Score: 1

      (not a design firm, a real office)

      What are you implying? /sarcasm

    43. Re:I have used a PC for 2 weeks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I still have my 7800... somewhere

      And as for Desert Falcon... that's where I first learned about the total BS of Box Art back in the days of Atari.

      Great looking graphics on the box art, just believable enough to buy... NOTHING like the box art or game description at all.

      That being said I will attempt to land on the carrier again for the 1000th time in F-14 Tomcat That combat flight sim was awesome!

    44. Re:I have used a PC for 2 weeks by MsGeek · · Score: 1

      Yes but you can get a good quality CD-R for $0.25. So it makes more sense. "Here's a quarter, kid. Go back to school, download a Debian Net Install .ISO and burn yourself a real OS."

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    45. Re:I have used a PC for 2 weeks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm sure you're not trying to be a smartass, but you are.

      Your reply didn't do anything to answer the poster's point that there are a lot of Mac users who have only used Macs, have rarely or never used Windows PC's, and have never needed to, but now need some basic pointers on useful software they can use when booted into Windows.

      The point is that everybody on Slashdot thinks these people are idiots or liars, but the reality is that all the geeks on Slashdot or an incredibly small minority of all computer users. We're so out of touch with that fact that we ridicule people like the poster you were replying to, and the original Slashdot article.

      Hmm, maybe that's why so many geeks are persecuted???

    46. Re:I have used a PC for 2 weeks by mogabog · · Score: 1

      Of course you are right. Like I said above, a point and click GUI is no mystery. I'm sure I could use a Windows machine better than my mom. However my mom has much more experience using one. I can use one in an internet cafe no problem.

      You ask me anything more than basics on a PC and I'm lost. I wouldn't know where to look if I was having problems wit a program. I wouldn't really know how to configure a peripheral. Could I figure it out? Probably. Could I blindly walk someone through it? Not a chance. As me to blindly walk someone through an OS X install while I'm chewing gum and walking down the street and we're fine.

      I can configure Apache as I need it. It took me months to even figure out what IIS is, and I have NEVER touched it.

      Dude, I'm posting here, of course I could figure stuff out. Let's not be silly - but like I said, me and my little Apple-shaped world are doing just fine.

      -A

    47. Re:I have used a PC for 2 weeks by rabbit994 · · Score: 1

      .DLLs on Windows are complied libraries. However, for a while, developers used to complie different version of libraries using the same name instead of different names. They also used to stick them into a folder on Windows for every program to use because many programs share libraries (just like program on linux do) to save disk space which used to be more limited. When one program overwrite another program .DLL with a new or older version of the library, it obviously broke stuff. XP fixed this problem by monitoring .DLLs installed by programs and switching them in and out as need for different programs. Also, due to disk space being so cheap these days, many developers have gone back to containing libraries in program's folder so it didn't matter what other programs did. Microsoft also helped by putting .Net libraries into different folders based off their version.

    48. Re:I have used a PC for 2 weeks by danheretic · · Score: 1

      You have used a PC. You just said you use Macs. Macs are PCs.

      Repeat after me:

      "PC" refers to Personal Computer. It is the hardware architecture.
      "Windows" or "MacOS" (aka "OSX" and earlier versions) refers to the Operating System.

      Macs are personal computers that, until now, have only been able to use one Operating System, MacOS.
      Windows has, until now, only been able to run on non-Apple-brand PC hardware.

      Now that the dynamics of those has changed, hopefully the term "PC" will become a little less corrupted.

      (As someone who's used a linux OS with AMD hardware, I also especially wince at the term "Wintel" to describe non-Mac PCs.)

    49. Re:I have used a PC for 2 weeks by AvitarX · · Score: 1

      You ask me anything more than basics on a PC and I'm lost. I wouldn't know where to look if I was having problems wit a program.

      the same place as on OS X (google.com)

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    50. Re:I have used a PC for 2 weeks by RobertB-DC · · Score: 1

      And I would humbly suggest the addition of a hyphen like so:

      All of my foes are spelling- or grammar Nazis.

      But maybe that's just my personal preference.


      I see the point, but I think you'd need to do this:

      All of my foes are spelling- or grammar-Nazis.

      (I saw this on M2 and had to reply. I had to be honest, though, so I M2'd the "Offtopic" mod as "Fair"... sorry...)

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  94. Ditto that. by artemis67 · · Score: 1

    I started my career as a Mac guy, and held on to the Mac for as long as I could, but Apple hemmoraged so much blood in '97 that I had to eventually buy/build my first PC.

    The great thing about it was all of the A-List PC games that never made it to the Mac, I finally had access to. There were a good ten years' worth of stuff that I wanted, and most of it was in the bargain bins (wahoo!). X-Com:UFO was just so mind-blowingly great that, ten years after it's release, it could still hold its own; there just was never anything like it on the Mac side, and it's a game that I still revisit from time to time.

    1. Re:Ditto that. by jdigriz · · Score: 1

      I played XCom:UFO to death on a Mac Clone with a PowerPC 601 110Mhz chip using Virtual PC. Was a little slow, but for turn-based strategy that doesn't really matter. And yes, I agree XCOM is deservedly one of the top 10 games of all time.

  95. Solution looking for a problem by imidan · · Score: 5, Insightful
    TFA says that the OP wants these: Productivity (spreadsheet), Graphics, Utilities (spam, anti-virus, FTP etc), Games, Online enhancements (e.g. toolbars etc), Other.

    I'm not entirely sure what he wants to do, but most of these categories are just as mature under MacOS as they are under Windows. A spreadsheet application? Well, you've got Excel, you've got OO, and that's about it, for the big one and the up-and-coming, unless Lotus/Quattro is still hanging around out there somewhere. I don't know what state of the art is for spreadsheets on MacOS, but it's gotta be pretty similar to Windows. It's much the same with graphics programs and online programs, really. Utilities? What are you going to do with them? Why do you need a spam filter under Windows if you're checking your mail under MacOS? Do you actually envision booting into Windows and using it for long periods of time?

    The only category that I see here where Windows definitely has a lot of options above and beyond MacOS is games. So go for that. Go down to the local video game store and look for some things on the PC shelf that aren't on the Macintosh shelf, and buy them. Over all, you probably aren't missing much.

    This post sounds like the OP has a solution (Boot Camp) looking for a problem. And unless you've got a specific problem that really needs solving with Boot Camp, what's the point in using it?

    1. Re:Solution looking for a problem by tomcres · · Score: 1
      The only category that I see here where Windows definitely has a lot of options above and beyond MacOS is games. So go for that. Go down to the local video game store and look for some things on the PC shelf that aren't on the Macintosh shelf, and buy them. Over all, you probably aren't missing much.

      Ah, yes. BUT.. remember that the new Macs are going to be running PPC-native software in Rosetta, which if you've got games that were PPC-native, they're going to run like crud on your shiny new iMac. So, it might be worthwhile to pick up the Windows versions to play them at full speed. Then again, there's also games that ran like crud natively on PPC. I bought C&C Generals for my 1.33 GHz iBook with 1G of RAM and found that it was unplayable because it was so slow. The Windows version runs fine on my son's 1300 MHz Duron with 256MB. Ouch! Actually, I've found that to be the case with most Aspyr games. They've got to be using some kind of emulation to be that painfully slow. Just get the Windows versions and save yourself the grief!

    2. Re:Solution looking for a problem by lamber45 · · Score: 1
      That's the way I feel about wine sometimes. Some people have spent a lot of effort trying to get Microsoft Office to work, but KWord and OpenOffice both edit Word documents just fine; I don't have an MS Office license anyway.

      Having mentioned Wine, the OP might want to check out the Wine applications database to get more ideas.

  96. Knoppix! by DanCentury · · Score: 1

    Burn the Knoppix iso onto a CD and tell the nube that the need to have it in their CD-Rom drive when the boot up. Then when they say, "where's the E that I click to get on the internet", tell them Microsoft changed the icon to a fox humping planet earth. And you're done.

    1. Re:Knoppix! by DanCentury · · Score: 1

      I forgot that the icon for Firefox (under Knoppix 4.0) is just the Earth (no freaky fox).

  97. I'd settle for duplicate functionality by Dixie_Flatline · · Score: 1
    I have a bunch of apps on my Mac that I find essential, but there aren't good analogues on the Windows platform, so when I'm at work, I'm often hitting keys that get me nowhere.

    For instance,Adium is, in my opinion, a far superior multi-protocol chat client to Trillian.

    I use Quicksilver almost constantly at home. I've got nothing like that at work.

    There still isn't a good Exposé solution for Windows. I've tried the knock-offs and they're all pretty pathetic attempts.

    There's nothing like Growl that I know of. Each application has to implement its own alert system. This would be great for letting me know when a source control sync or a compile is finished.

    The one great app that I've found for Windows is Slickedit, which has pretty decent Emacs emulation, but does the whole intellisense thing better than I've been able to get Emacs to do (yes, I've tried Semantic and ECB).

    Since the only game I play these days is WoW, my Mac is fantastic on its own. Bootcamp holds no pull for me. If I want more games, I'll buy a console. For the work that I do, there's nothing that I can do on a Windows PC that my Mac can't do better. (I'm not saying that this is true for everyone, just me.)

    So if someone can point me in the direction of apps that are as good as the ones that I mentioned for Windows, I'd actually appreciate that. I'm sick of trying to hit Command-Space and not getting Quicksilver.

    1. Re:I'd settle for duplicate functionality by bazorg · · Score: 1

      There still isn't a good Exposé solution for Windows. I've tried the knock-offs and they're all pretty pathetic attempts.

      If you could supply some links for the ones you tried, that would be cool.

      Right now, I'm kind of happy with a combination of Microsoft's Deskman-Powertoy to supply virtual desktops + the wonderful icon which allows to set keyboard shortcuts for things like:

      • vertical maximize
      • horz maximize
      • tile windows
      • many other window functions that have been there for 10 years but require mouse&menu actions...

      It all works pretty well together, especially after realizing that virtual desktop powertoy requires you to enable its own toolbar (otherwise it's hidden...) and that you need to disable "shared desktops" so that a minimized trillian window started on desktop1 won't popup in desktop3...

    2. Re:I'd settle for duplicate functionality by Dixie_Flatline · · Score: 1

      http://www.otakusoftware.com/topdesk/
      http://smallwindows.sourceforge.net/

      I didn't like either of them. They're much slower and flicker a lot. The second one was still pretty new, but at least it was free.

      I use the Wonderful Icon in conjunction with a virtual desktop manager called DeskWin. It's also open source, and it works really well.

  98. Three essential apps by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Firefox
    OpenOffice.org

    and for the rest of your software needs...

    Azureus

  99. personally... by IchBinEinPenguin · · Score: 1

    what I use most on Windows boxes is cygwin and knoppix

  100. @_@ by NitsujTPU · · Score: 1

    Slashdot has changed.

  101. Re:A real response to the question by chmod+a+x+mojo · · Score: 1

    and if you like having multiple desktops there is an XP powertoy to manage virtual desktops(up to four) it does the usual, apps open on one desktop do not show up in the others ( saves a LOT of screen realestate) also there is an option to preview all four desktops at once to see wich one the app you want is on ( havn't seen this on my linux boxes, anyone know if this is possible with kde?) and someone mentioned before the "open command window here" shell integration is a nice toy for changing permissions A.K.A "file attributes"

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  102. Stuff I missed when switching to a mac by ta11geese3 · · Score: 1

    Irfan View- http://www.irfanview.com
    When I got my mac, I was so sad that there was no equivalent. Preview suffices, but it's still not the same.

    Yzdock- http://www.majorgeeks.com/download2790.html
    Kindna like osx's dock but not as powerful. Still, it's better than using that unwieldy start bar.

    Combined Community Codec Pack- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combined_Community_Co dec_Pack
    Quick image viewing wasn't the only thing I was disappointed with... video watching was another. The CCCP gives you all the codecs you'll need in a light package, and it comes with Media Player Classic (which I would much rather use quicktime/vlc/mplayer).

    Firefox (lol)

    That's it off the top of my head.

  103. another vote for "games" by sootman · · Score: 1

    I would have said google earth a few weeks ago but that's out for OS X now.

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    1. Re:another vote for "games" by njchick · · Score: 1
      Google Earth for Mac is beta and it requires a PowerPC processor. According to http://earth.google.com/downloads.html, minimal requirement for CPU is G3 500 MHz.

      So indeed, Google Earth is the software to try.

    2. Re:another vote for "games" by RustNeverSleeps · · Score: 1

      Google Earth for the Mac is a beta just like Google Groups is beta. Everything Google releases is in Beta for a LONG time. Windows Google Earth was beta for a long time too. Anyway, supposedly it works OK in Rosetta on Intel Macs, but I have no firsthand experience with it except on PPC machines.

  104. Decent 3D file manager by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I much prefer Tactile3D :)

  105. Windows software by 0-9a-f · · Score: 1
    ... what Windows software amazes you?

    Windows itself never ceases to amaze me. That it can somehow coerce an otherwise reliable Linux server to boot into a toyland of colour and light, and remain stable for whole hours at a time!

    Oh, but you're coming from OS X. I guess you're used to all those colour bubbles and stuff...

    But the constant reboots allow you to thump your computer on a regular basis, which is where Windows really comes into its own. Reinforcing that machines are our slaves (and not the other way around!)


    And viruses. Don't forget the viruses...!

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  106. expectations by digitalderbs · · Score: 1

    finally experience some of the great innovation happening over on the Windows platform.

    you're setting your expectations way too high. Think solitaire but with crashes every 10 minutes.

  107. Excel by mscant · · Score: 1

    Excel for Windows is one of the best software programs ever. Insanely useful--powerful yet supports the sloppiness of real life. More software should be like Excel.

    1. Re:Excel by Doppler00 · · Score: 1

      Yeah, it's amazing that this is overlooked simply because it's from Microsoft, but it's just about the only Microsoft product (err... other than Windows) that I'll use on a regular basis. I mean, I've installed OpenOffice awhile back and played with their equivalent of Excel and I was just underwelmed. It just seemed like they were trying _really_ hard to be Excel instead of something unique. I mean, why bother doing that?

  108. opencd by iplayfast · · Score: 1

    http://www.theopencd.org/ is a great cd of useful/free/fun software that will work under windows.

  109. My must-have list by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    If you're going to be using Windows, you might want to get these cross-platform apps:

    - Cygwin or at least MingW/Msys to drop back to comfortale familiar shell, and not the hell that is command prompt.
    - VLC media player: the only media player worth using on Windows because it's 10 MB and doesn't put any files in any places but the install directory.
    - Obviously Firefox/Thunderbird or Opera depending on your taste
    - Putty: Great ssh client
    - Spambayes: Best spam filtering (at least in my opinion)
    - Eclipse: One of the most powerful IDEs on the market

    Windows only:
    - Beyond Compare: the best diff utility I've found. Integrates very cleanly with the shell (not free, but still very very good)
    - TextPad: The best and easiest text editor - doesn't get in your way and is extensible like crazy. (Free with nag screen)
    - Picasa: Image organization + basic editing
    - Google Earth: When you need 3d Google Maps (although it has cool plugins like real-time flight paths)
    - Trillian: MSN, ICQ, Jabber, IRC, etc (free and pay version)
    - WinAVI: Very easy to use and the fastest video conversion program with great quality (not free)
    - BitComet: Very slick bittorrent client
    - Microsoft Visual Studio: One of the slickest IDEs around for C/C++ but still lacks in some modern IDE features found in Eclipse/NetBeans

    There's plenty other apps I'm sure you'll come across. These are the one's I generally can't live without (except for MS Visual Studio).

    And obviously all the games you want to try.

  110. Adding a few more... by cgenman · · Score: 4, Interesting

    * Crimson Editor An amazingly powerful freeware text / script editor.

      * uTorrent Is there an open source Torrent Client in under 200k? Does it have RSS searching, bandwidth scheduling, automatic resume, and trackerless support? Yes? Oh, good then.

      * As -U- Type. Spell check anywhere. It's a great piece of software, if you can get over the fact that the author barely speaks any english.

      * 3 Plane Soft Screensavers. Ok, they're screensavers. And they're a rip off. But damn they're nice.

      * Trillian. 'nuff said.

      * The Bat! The second best mail client created, behind only KMail.

      * IZarc If there were need for zip clients anymore, this would be the one to have. Also handles about 50 other file standards, integrates really well with explorer, is small and efficient, and did I mention free? Best unzipper out there, including the pay options.

      * Folder Size Shows you how big your folders are. If explorer were made by Apple, it would do this by default.

      * True Crypt Data so secure even it doesn't know if there is more to be found in a file.

      * Thumbs Plus Arguably there are a lot of good applications in this space, and there are ones out there with better interfaces. But it is the only thumbnail application I've ever used that can handle upwards of 20,000 files in a single directory. If you take lots of pictures, this is the one.

      * DVD Decrypter Recently bought out by Macrovision to shut down it's decryptey goodness, DVD Decrypter is really a no-nonsense, no-fuss DVD ripper and burner. Want to rip a movie from a DVD so you can watch it later? One button. Want to rip it back to a DVD? Another button.

      * Microsoft Power Toys Nifty stuff from people who both hate and make the operating system.

    And remember to use an antivirus, a firewall, and two anti-spyware suites. My personal favorites are AVG Antivirus, Kerio Personal Firewall, Spybot, and Ad Aware.

    1. Re:Adding a few more... by Prune · · Score: 1

      Trillian's IRC plugin is the crappiest IRC client ever. I mean, it doesn't even support fserve, for starters. And if you're in a ton of channels all the time, you better turn of logging, or as logs start getting larger, it slows down to a crawl.

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    2. Re:Adding a few more... by CyberSlugGump · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I second Microsoft Power Toys and add some more:

      * AutoIt for simple automation tasks and creating small programs with graphical user interfaces

      * Firefox, of course. Opera is also a good choice.

      * Daemon Tools for mounting ISOs as virtual CD/DVD drives

      * Trillian--AIM, ICQ, IRC, MSN, and Yahoo messenger client


      * QuickTime Alternative

      * RealPlayer Alternative

      * IrfanView--small, free, fast image viewer



      * SysInternals utilities--useful for admins

      * Scanner--shows hard drive usage as stacked pie graph of files/folders

      * 7-zip: similar to WinZip or WinRAR or StuffIt

      * Foxit [PDF] Reader--a lite alternative to Adobe


      Following ones aren't free but are very useful Windows-only programs:

      * FinePrint--n up printing, universal print preview, etc.

      * MaxiVisa--use a networked computer like a secondary display

      * TextPad, though I opt for the open-source and FREE SciTE

    3. Re:Adding a few more... by Sepodati · · Score: 1

      * Really Slick Screensavers - Yeah, screen savers are kind of corny, but if you never shut off your computer like I do, this site has some really, really nice looking screen savers.

      * Scite - Text editor, easy to use on Windows or Linux and a full featured executable weighs in at 430K, so it's too easy to carry on a thumb drive.

      * TheOpenCD.org - Has some other programs listed that are free and may be worth checking out.

      ---John Holmes...

    4. Re:Adding a few more... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      FYI, uTorrent isn't open source.

    5. Re:Adding a few more... by Cederic · · Score: 1


      I'll throw in IrfanView - lightweight image viewer, handles everything I've ever thrown at it. Free!

      MS Visio. I wish MS hadn't bought it, but I've still yet to find any tool comparable for ease of use and power - maybe professional CAD tools, but I just want to draw simple diagrams.

      Eclipse - if you'd doing Java development, it's free and fantastic.

      Cygwin/Firefox are my other two ever-present, along with text editor of choice (my choice differs to yours, but there are a lot to choose from)

    6. Re:Adding a few more... by danielrose · · Score: 1

      as a side note, what is the best win32 IRC client.. is it really mIRC? Is XCHAT not available yet??

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    7. Re:Adding a few more... by RhadamanthosIsChaos · · Score: 1

      A program that I don't think anyone has mentioned yet is my all-time favorite for Windows, Winbar! (http://www.winbar.nl/) It was mentioned on The Screen Savers back when they still existed, I downloaded it, and haven't looked back since.

      Right now mine is set up for Hostname, IP, clock, memory used, CPU use, Down/Up meter, and time sync, but it also interfaces with Winamp and does a half-million other things.

      I wish it were open source, because it hasn't been updated in a few years, but it still works like a charm.

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    8. Re:Adding a few more... by rikkus-x · · Score: 1
      * Scanner--shows hard drive usage as stacked pie graph of files/folders

      Here's a vote for Sequoiaview, which does a similar thing in a different way.

      Rik

    9. Re:Adding a few more... by sootman · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The article is about must-have Windows software for someone who wants to see what Windows is like but already has a Mac, so I think he's really looking for things that do not exist on the Mac. The implied thought is, "Show me some great things that you can do on Windows that just can't be done in Mac OS X." That said,

      - Crimson Editor
      I use CE on Windows and love it. However, TextWrangler for OS X is comparable. Everyone has one or two killer features in their editor of choice. In this case, both do a great job with syntax coloring, but TextWrangler has built-in SFTP support, which CE doesn't. I'm sure you have some great feature in CE that TW lacks. That's why I say "comparable." Neither is a direct replacement for the other for all users.

      - uTorrent
      I don't do much torrenting, so I can't comment here.

      - As -U- Type. Spell check anywhere.
      Mac OS has that built-in. It's spellchecking this post as I type. So far it doesn't like TextWrangler, uTorrent, or torrenting and it thinks screensavers should be hyphenated.

      - 3 Plane Soft Screensavers.
      I'm sure it's very nice, but there are a million screensavers to be had. I doubt anyone would dual-boot to watch one.

      - Trillian.
      If you chat a lot and don't like iChat, maybe. I wouldn't call it a reason to reboot.

      - The Bat!
      Email clients are a dime a dozen, most people don't feel strongly about them, and I guaran-damn-tee you no one is going to boot into another OS just to check mail.

      - IZarc
      Again, most people don't give a shit about the gazillion options for unzipping things. OS X comes with built-in SW though, oddly, it doesn't support that old Mac standard, '.bin' Again, we're not talking about a compelling reason to reboot.

      - Folder Size
      Built into OS X; only works in list view, though.

      - True Crypt Data
      Don't know about this one.

      - Thumbs Plus Arguably there are a lot of good applications in this space... ... and there are many for OS X. Once again, how many users will have 20k images in a folder?

      - DVD Decrypter
      Not quite one-button apps, but DVDBackup will copy commercial DVDs and does region-free, de-Macrovision, and DeCSS. To rip into a single file, I like HandBrake.

      - Microsoft Power Toys
      and there are a zillion "haxies" available to customize OS X.

      As far as I know, there are 3 big reasons and one small one to dual-boot a Mac:
      - games
      - specialized high-end software, like CAD
      - custom-built business apps
      - and to view sites in IE/Win. But, like the song says, that's what friends are for.

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  111. Cheap Games by xanderwilson · · Score: 1

    Games for the PC can go from $50 to discount bin in the time it takes for developers to put out a Mac port at the starting $50 mark. I've been a Mac user since '01 after years on Windows. If I end up buying a copy of Windows XP (possible) along with an Intel Mac (likely, eventually), it'll be for games.

    Alex.

  112. Crap! by Firehed · · Score: 1
    I was just going to cue up an 'install OSx86!' joke going by the title, and it's about someone running BootCamp. Linux then, I guess.

    Erm... uhh... first-time Windows user... every anti-malware software on the planet would be a good start I guess. Especially if you're used to not dealing with that crap.

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  113. Depends on what "painless" means! by chocolatetrumpet · · Score: 1

    Last I checked, XP Home was $90. Not exactly "painless."

    Then again - you do actually buy software licenses...right?

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  114. DVD Decrypter. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Seriously. There's still nothing on OSX that does as good a job at ripping DVDs to ISOs and re-recording them. MacTheRipper is buggy and just not very good. This is about all I use Windows for.

  115. Sorry, we're all out of that by Wylfing · · Score: 1
    I want to build a list of unique, elegant, can't-do-without apps, so all us new Boot-Camp babies can finally experience some of the great innovation happening over on the Windows platform.

    What in the nine hells are you talking about? People use Windows because they have to, not because they want to. There is scant innovation to be found, and no elegance at all.

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  116. Re:first thing I'd get - is a reality check by poopie · · Score: 1

    Come on... What OSX user is going to be intrigued about running Windows so that they can experience *ANTIVIRUS SOFTWARE*? Hello!?!

    I'm trying to think about software that is *ONLY* available on Windows that a Mac user would want to use and aside from the obvious *GAMES*, and drivers for hardware that OSX doesn't support or where vendors don't provide a software or a conduit for OSX, what is there?

    Google Earth is available on the Mac...
    Picasa is cool, but Mac people would probably prefer iPhoto
    You can run Windows MCE, but Mac users can run MythTV on OSX

    The hacker in me thinks it's fun to be able to run different OSes. I bet many OSX users would like to tool around with the Windows destop, the control panel, and all the cool widget things - that's good for at least a week of fun for a new windows user.

    The main thing I can think of that a MAC user would want to use Windows for would be "boring" things like being able to use corporate web conferencing software that uses activeX, being able to use corporate software IP phone, being able to use Visio, Outlook express with calendar plugins, or Microsoft Project. Maybe users would be intersted to use Visual Studio, and something like Nero cd burning software

    Oh, and I guess I'd add Internet Explorer to the list... not saying Safari or Firefox aren't good, just that some dumb websites need Internet Explorer and Windows to be seen in their full glory (sic).

  117. Here's what I run just about every day: by Woldry · · Score: 2, Informative

    Google Desktop; Firefox and/or Opera; OpenOffice and/or AbiWord; and the requisite antispyware/antivirus apps, of course. Oh, and Google Desktop.
    I also make heavy use of the following:

    ClocX
    Windows XP PowerToys (highly useful, especially TweakUI
    Notify CD (bare-bones but elegant CD player)
    ReadPlease (text-to-speech)
    Foxit Reader (a much faster PDF reader than Adobe)
    Trillian (multiple IM)
    foobar2000 (audio player)


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  118. Nothing Amazing but Safe (Spyware Free) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=134069&thre shold=1&commentsort=0&mode=thread&cid=11190469

    Now, there are a few other ones not listed:
    GIMP for windows
    Scribus (recently ported to windows.
    Filezilla (FTP windows only)
    Inkscape
    VLC and Mplayer

    Hope you enjoy.

  119. Half Life 2 by moofdaddy · · Score: 1

    No one mentions Half Life 2?

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  120. Mandatory and free by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    7zip - archiver - handles zip, tar, gzip, etc
    CDex - ripper
    Audacity - basic audio editor
    Crimson Editor - tabbed text editor
    Pixie - color picker
    Putty - SSH client
    Filezilla - FTP client
    WinSCP3 - Secure FTP-like file transfer client
    WnBrowse - read-only text/hex file viewer
    ACDSee, Irfanview - photo viewers
    Paint.net - drawing and photo editor
    VideoLAN - fantastic media player
    Videora - h264/mpeg4 video compressor (for making iPod/PSP video)
    Nero - disk burning/authoring/DVD player - bundled as OEM with a lot of new burners
    SamSpade - network tools - whois, ping, traceroute, etc

    Hidden windows features: Scrap the newer Windows Media Player and use the old one - find the file "mplayer2.exe". Remove MSN messenger and dig out "conf.exe" (i.e. Netmeeting...it's still there)

    Get a 3,4, or 5-button scrolling mouse and toss that 1-button piece of shit in the garbage. You can't use Windows or GUI *Nix without at least 2 buttons.

    NEVER use an HTML-capable email program or Internet Explorer and you probably won't have virus problems. (I use Forte Agent for email and Firefox or Opera for browsing)

  121. The main difference between Mac and Windows users by atokata · · Score: 1, Funny

    Mac users are nice, polite. A bit dorky. They're the 'nice guys' who drive hybrids, have white guilt, and occasionally think a typeface is too agressive. Take these two sentences:
    I want to build a list of unique, elegant, can't-do-without apps, so all us new Boot-Camp babies can finally experience some of the great innovation happening over on the Windows platform. I roughed in a quick blogpage to collect the info, and to house any useful discussions.

    My god, it's so sweet I'm almost gagging on my vegan soy latte.

    A Windows user on the other hand, would say:
    "gimme some warez. i need a proggie that'll hack an adult check id, so i can get pr0n. lolz"

    (And, we won't even mention the Linux user, who starts off every explanation with: "Well, all you have to do is simply learn to program in C, then write twenty thousand lines of it")

  122. Comictastic Alternative by Anamanaman · · Score: 1

    If you're a mac user (like me) of Comictastic, there's a free alternative with Comic Junkie for Windows (www.comicjunkie.com)

    Also AppRocket (www.approcket.com) is a great alternative to LaunchBar.

    If you're multi-monitor, you'll also need UltraMon (www.ultramon.com)

    For the best free text editor, check out ConTeXT (www.context.cx)

    And of course Yahoo Widgets (widgets.yahoo.com formerly Konfabulator) will make you forget all about Dashboard.

  123. list of favorites? by pilsner.urquell · · Score: 1

    Something to remove it with?

  124. Everyone's a comedian by webagogue · · Score: 1

    Great joke(s), guys! I never would have guessed that a bunch of slashbots would recommend *nix apps and spyware removal tools. To answer the question, Picasa (www.picasa.com) is the best photo app out there - yes, better than iPhoto. iPhoto's only edge over picasa is that it integrates with the other iLife apps. And I'll get flamed for it, but, unfortunately, there is no better fat-client PIM than MS Outlook 2003. Nothing else comes close to the functions it offers (spare the me macro/hijack jokes - hasn't been an issue since Outlook XP). It isn't for everyone, but it is the best.

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  125. Replace Picasa with ACDSee 8 by Stoutlimb · · Score: 1

    Sorry, I'm a fanboy. It's a great product, and one of the few pieces of software I've willingly paid for.

  126. Irfanview by Spy+der+Mann · · Score: 1

    it's an excellent image viewer, also lets you adjust the images (brightness, gamma correction, contrast) and resize / resample them. Supports all formats known to mankind.

    http://www.irfanview.com/

  127. Mac fan! by protich · · Score: 0

    I can't believe you are a virgin.

  128. my list by timothv · · Score: 4, Informative

    File management/explorer replacement: Directory Opus
    Music: Foobar2000 0.8.3 (iTunes and dumbed down fb2k annoy me)
    Video: Media Player Classic with ffdshow
    Browser: Firefox 1.5 with ~20 extensions
    CD Ripping: Exact Audio Copy (only Windows can rip CDs properly)
    Anti-virus: Avast
    Shell: Cygwin with puttycyg or a local ssh server
    IM: Trillian (needs to be replaced with a Jabber client + aim/yahoo transport)
    Python development: Eclipse with the pydev extension
    IRC: Chatzilla
    BitTorrent: uTorrent
    Webserver: Apache 2
    Archive unpacker: IZArc
    Mail: Thunderbird
    Encryption: Truecrypt
    JPEG manager: iView MediaPro3
    CD/DVD burning: Nero
    Hex editor: XVI32
    SSH,SCP: PuTTY, WinSCP
    Office suite: Office 2003
    Calendar: Outlook 2003
    Virtual drives: Daemon Tools
    Notetaking: Onenote 2003
    Batch image editing: Photoshop CS2
    Spoken dictionary: Encarta 2006 Dictionary Tools
    Audio quality checking: Nero WaveEdit, EncSpot, Audiochecker
    Time syncing: NetTime
    Firewall: Sygate (needs to be replaced)
    Various system tools: Startup, Tweak UI, Filemon, Peerguardian 2, Diskeeper, EVEREST
    Symbolic integration: Mathematica
    Packet sniffing: Ethereal
    This fun game: Typing of the Dead

    And I probably missed a few. Foobar2000, Directory Opus, and Firefox are by far the most amazing.

  129. Irfanview by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://www.irfanview.com/ is great for simple image editing.

  130. Winamp + Milkdrop by gumpish · · Score: 1

    Download the latest version of Winamp.

    Play your favorite tracks and check out the hundreds of presets of the visualization plugin Milkdrop (should be included in your download).

    Milkdrop was written by Mr. Geiss, the guy behind the Geiss plugin (created YEARS ago for Winamp ver 2), which is what Apple shamelessly ripped off for the iTunes visualizer.

    Milkdrop just plain rules, really puts iTunes' sad excuse for music visualization in its place.

  131. Google Pack by SilentOneNCW · · Score: 2, Informative
    The *one* thing I'd download first after installing XP is none other than the Google Pack: http://pack.google.com/

    It includes these helpful, excellent, and *free* programs:

    • Google Earth
    • Picasa
    • Mozilla Firefox
    • AdAware SE Personal
    • Norton Antivirus 2005 SE
    • Adobe Reader
    • Google Talk
    • Google Video Player

    After that, I'd go with the real advantage of XP: Games!

    • World of WarCraft
    • Unreal Tournament 2004
    • Football Manager 2006
    • Battle For Middle Earth 2
    • Battlefield 2
    • The Sims 2
    • StarCraft!
    1. Re:Google Pack by ABoerma · · Score: 1

      Er... actually, out of those games, you'll only need Windows for Battle For Middle Earth 2 and Battlefield 2.

  132. The best Windows security tools by WidescreenFreak · · Score: 1

    fdisk and format are absolute necessities when it comes to Windows.

    Oh, sure, they're DOS throwbacks, but when used properly they will guarantee that you will get absolutely no Windows viruses, spyware, or malware.

    (You didn't really expect a lot of serious answers on Slashdot when it comes to running Windows, did you?)

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    1. Re:The best Windows security tools by TimTheFoolMan · · Score: 1

      And here I was going to toss out my personal favorite:

      The Uninstaller

      Tim

  133. AppRocket URL by Anamanaman · · Score: 1

    Oops, the correct AppRocket URL is www.candylabs.com/approcket/

  134. irfanView - Quick Image Editor by DavidD_CA · · Score: 1

    There is a tiny little shareware app I cannot live without called IrvanView (www.irvanview.com).

    This fast little app will display just about any image you can give it, do simple cropping and rotating, save out as various formats, do all sorts of amazing batch conversions, and more, and it is LIGHTENINGN FAST.

    It's not a replacement for Photoshop or anything, but it sure beats the built-in Picture Viewer.

    I've made it the default viewer for all graphic files, and assigned it a hotkey for launching at will.

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    1. Re:irfanView - Quick Image Editor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      make it www.irfanview.com

      Andreas (the coward)

  135. Dudes, April 1st was 11 days ago by toby · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    So wtf?

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  136. Since nobody's mentioned it by Cadallin · · Score: 1
    Irfanview is the Dog's bollocks for image viewing. Unfortunately there's nothing that really matches it on OS X, it's the one app I really miss after switching to Apple. It combines the ease of use of "Xee" (Xee is a new app, otherwise there's nothing really comparable on OS X, both are infinitly superior to preview.app for everything except .pdf) with most of the editing functionality of Graphic Convertor, along with a very nice batch processor. It's free, (as in beer for non-commercial use) and after Firefox, there's no app I would more strongly recommend for a Windows user.

    As a matter of fact, if DarWINE ever gets up to snuff, I'll probably go back to using it.

  137. Pricelessware by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    www.pricelessware.org

  138. soundforge! by mrcdeckard · · Score: 1

    this is the ONLY app i miss from windows. sure, i use audacity, and have tried peak on os x, but neither of these are as straightforward and stable as soundforge.

    For those who don't know, soundforge is a 2-track wave editor that is quick as lightning when you're doing a lot of editing . . .

    every other software i've used on windows has been a delicate toy compared to os X.

    oh, except firefox -- truly the killer (as in spyware killer) app for winXP.

    mr c.

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  139. Foo, bar and beyond! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    painlessly dip into the Windows world
    Ha! Nice one.

    what Windows software amazes you?
    Pretty much all of it. I'm amazed that it runs at all.

    I want to build a list of unique, elegant, can't-do-without apps
    Well, if you must know, http://searchlores.org/tools.htm

    great innovation happening over on the Windows platform
    WTF? Are you serious?

    It'll probably deteriorate into a flame war
    Oh, so you are trolling...

    Would those interested please chime in with their list of favorites?
    I tried, I really did; but I just can't think of any software worth installing windows for that you couldn't also get for OSX.
    Some accounting software perhaps?
    Maybe a development environment for an embedded system?
    These aren't really quality softwares that one would volunteer to use, however.

  140. First things first by snaz555 · · Score: 1

    Read this before installing:
    http://www.tweakhound.com/xp/security/page_1.htm
    Note that the average survival time for a fresh, unpatched, Windows installation is under 10 minutes, which is less than it takes to patch it via Windows Update. And you can't download the patches from MacOSX before starting the install, you can only patch from the already installed (and activated) system. So you need an external firewall to protect you during the initial Windows Update. (Not a bad idea to have one, anyway.)

  141. Tip: Use the mac to download your windows software by webweave · · Score: 1

    Don't surf with windows. When you reboot unplug your ethernet while using windows. Unless you want to follow most of the recommendations for spyware and virus software. If you keep windows as a non networked machine you won't need most of the service packs and patches anyway. I'm not joking I ran a multi-platform demo center for a small R&D company and ONLY the windows machines caused any problems there. My policy for after a demo was to check the *nix machines for changed files and dd a fresh image into all the windows machines. Hey, there's a good idea. once you find your "ideal" windows setup make an image file of it and put it somewhere safe, you will need it.

  142. Windows Programs by phalanx · · Score: 1

    I recommend these programs to all my co-workers, friends and family.
    BlueFrog - Fight spam with the Blue Community
    DefilerPak - Video/Audio Codec Pak
    FireFox - IE replacement
    Foobar2000 - Audio Player
    MyUninstaller - ADD/Remove Programs alternative
    Nero - CD/DVD burning software
    NOD32 - Very fast and accurate Virus Scanner
    Thunderbird - Outlook Express Replacement
    Treewalk DNS - Local caching DNS
    Trillian - Many IM Clients in One
    UltraEdit32 - Best Windows Text Editor (check out column mode)
    UltraMon - If you multiple monitors this program is great
    Zoomplayer - DVD/Media player

  143. Pegasus Mail by jonadab · · Score: 1

    Pegasus Mail. When I moved from Windows to Linux (mainly because it's more configurable, and I like that, but also because the Windows versions available at the time had serious stability issues, and I was tired of having to close all my windows and reboot a couple of times a day), Pegasus Mail was the last app from which I had to tear myself away, and the only one I regretted having to leave. I searched high and low for another email application that even came CLOSE be being an adequate replacement for Pegasus Mail, and I never found one. Most people can't name an email app I haven't looked at. I ended up using Gnus, which has _most_ of the features that Pegasus has (plus many that it doesn't), but even that is in a number of ways inferior, and nothing else even comes close. Even Gnus, arguably the ultimate paragon of featurefulness, is missing _significant_ features that Pegasus Mail has, not least in the filtering system. Pegasus Mail also has a very easy learning curve; I routinely recommend it to end users who find Outlook Express too confusing. I would rate Pegasus Mail as the best Windows-only application I've ever seen. Another Windows app worth checking out is IrfanView, a graphics viewer and format converter, which also has a few other features (e.g., color adjustments). It doesn't do a lot, but it's a small download and terribly convenient to have around for quick format conversions, as it supports most of the bitmapped graphics formats I've run into, which is a fair number. It's also MUCH nicer for viewing than the quick-view thingy included in Windows. There are, of course, also various cross-platform applications, some of which are a bit better on Windows than on the Mac, because they integrate better with the rest of the system, in terms of things like the widget set, the system clipboard, and so forth. A lot of the best software for Windows consists of Win32 ports of *nix software. Notably, many GTK applications work quite well on Win32 but have rather rougher edges on OS X. A few years ago I would have said MS Word, but these days that seems less relevant, partly because OpenOffice.org has become so nice (and, notably, OO.o's frames are much easier to work with than MS Word's text boxes), and partly because in any case there is also the OS X version of Word, so if you've got a Mac, you don't really need BootCamp and Windows to get Word. The number one Windows-only application you want to actively avoid is Visual Studio. The pain of trying to get anything done with its terrible interface can scar a man for life. Windows Media Player is almost as bad, and more difficult to avoid, since it is the default association for various common filetypes. You will want to associate IrfanView with the formats it supports, but that's mostly still images, so you'll also need something for audio and something for video, and I don't have good recommendations for those things for Win32. (Is there a Win32 port of xmms? I haven't seen it...)

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    1. Re:Pegasus Mail by markhb · · Score: 1

      Another vote for Pegasus Mail! Note: don't miss the Email Etiquette and 10 Years of Pegasus Mail (I think that's what it's called) in the Help menu.

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  144. Here's a good link. by Chalex · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Unlike all the useless comments that recommend Adaware and Spybot Search and Destroy, I'll point you towards a thread called "the 'neat application I stumbled across on the web' thread" over on the ArsTechnica OpenForum: http://episteme.arstechnica.com/groupee/forums/a/t pc/f/99609816/m/1400961263

  145. windows apps by gregm · · Score: 1

    putty
    winscp
    google earth
    firefox
    F.E.A.R (game)
    you already have photoshop

    things that you must install to keep windows working
    AVG anti-virus
    spybot
    firefox

  146. From the fine folks at by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Somethingawful.com, their hardware/software forum has a nice wiki up with a pretty comprehensive list of usefull shareware/freeware/OSS software categorized and with a quick description of each app.

    Clicky. Note that since this is somethingawful they may put up a redirect based on referrer because that's what they do with links from slashdot around those parts. You may want to copy the link and manually paste it in or bookmark it for the future to avoid overloading their server or seeing anuses.

  147. foobar2000! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I switched to using Mac primarily about 6 months ago. I've been able to find suitable replace for most of my windows apps, except my favorite music player, foobar2000. It can play everything (including oggs, very important to me), it's highly customizable, it uses very little resources, and its freeware. Nothing on Mac comes close to giving the user the options available in foobar, especially the sorry collection of players that play oggs (I know itunes can with a plugin, but it can't read tags, and it's very slow). Get it!

  148. for macs ppl by dartarrow · · Score: 1

    ObjectDock . Gives that mac feel to new Mac to Windows users. Yes I know this may not fit in as "useful" per se but the first thing mac users will be missing by moving to Windows is the prettier look and feel which I think ObjectDock can provide. A Familiar face is usualy good. But configuring the software and looking for pretty icons can be a bitch.

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  149. Java for Switching by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You know, I've now worked in a couple of environments which have seen Java in real use.

    In fact, not just real use, but the real use for which people recommend Java. Database backends. Passing objects around. Network-wide management of distributed computation. Monitoring diverse datapoints and aggregating them. Web interfaces.

    You know, Java's home turf.

    I'm not impressed. Or maybe I am. Its startup time is impressively long, I suppose. And its memory footprint is impressively large. And its syntax is impressively verbose and messy. And its cross-platform claims are impressively misleading, the moment you stick a toe out of the hallowed sandbox.

    Most damning of all, the vaunted OO strategy, far from leading to salutary code reuse turns into a game of guess-what-this-class-does. Because, see, information hiding is great. No, really. It saves us so much time in development that we can spend extra time reverse-engineering these closed classes we've been handed.

    In one case, java's delightful approach to namespaces resulted in wasting days writing scripts just to manage the vast, unwieldy file structure we had. Oh, and then a version change. Chinese fire drill on the file system!

    In the most recent case, where I'm still mired, the ops team is over budget and under performance. When we do a root cause analysis, the incredible bulk of the Java VM is the culprit. It's fine to have 28 bytes for an integer when you're doing toy problems in class. It sucks when you have terabytes of data you have to throw around.

    If I'm ever in a position of decisionmaking authority on a project, and anyone suggests Java, I think I'm firing them (if they're a subordinate) or quitting (if they're not). It's taken a year off my life in stress because of its misbehaviour already, I'm sure.

    Oh, but it's so stable! So is anything else sane written by halfway competent programmers, and probably at least twice as fast. Anybody who can't write stable modula-3 (another relatively modern, clean language) won't be helped by Java, and anyone who can handle Java can handle modula-3.

    But programmer time is expensive, computers are cheap! That argument falls flat as a bad souffle the moment you remember that for toy applications this is true, but when you're beefing up your environment by millions of dollars in hardware, and tens of thousands in running expenses just to make up for the inefficiencies in your chosen language, you need to change your language as a matter of business common sense. Add to that the fact that Java's development time isn't all it's made out to be, and the programmer time argument only washes when compared to assembler or FORTH.

    So no. I wouldn't use Java to attract anyone to anything. I'd use it as punishment for bad programmers.

    1. Re:Java for Switching by gentlemen_loser · · Score: 1

      Its really easy to point out everything wrong with Java. However, have you EVER had to develop a huge application in C or C++? Talk about pointer arithmitic hell. Ever try developing in a procedural language like PLSQL? I just recently inherited a project and am leading a team that has to support a large PLSQL web application. It is VERY painful. If I had a dime for everytime someone changed something and it broke 14 other things - I'd not be doing this anymore. Conversly, and complements of data hinding, our Java projects do not have that problem.

      So yes, its easy to rag on Java (i personally perfer objective C). But what is the "better" alternative for large web based applications?

  150. Oh, by icepick72 · · Score: 1

    A little spyware can spice up your Pc life. I know from experience.

  151. WTF - Buy a Windows Box by Vskye · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    I'm a Mac fan who is intrigued by the possibilities of Apple's Boot Camp software. Now that I have a chance to painlessly dip into the Windows world, what I'd like to ask you is, what Windows software amazes you? I want to build a list of unique, elegant, can't-do-without apps, so all us new Boot-Camp babies can finally experience some of the great innovation happening over on the Windows platform.
     
    Wow, I'll trade you my PC for the Mac...really, why the hell would you want to trade a Mac for a PC? Minus the gaming aspect..., I think this is a BS question. I'd rather dual-boot mac/linux vs windows any day.

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  152. Stuff by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    For file compression, use WinRAR. While Windows XP has built-in .zip support, WinRAR is better and also supports other formats like rar (obviously) and 7zip.
    For CD burning, Nero is the all-inclusive program, but Imgburn is better for straight image burning.
    For CD iso mounting, use Daemon tools (The adware can be removed, see below) or Alcohol 120%.
    For productivity, there is the obvious Microsoft Office but the free alternative OpenOffice.org cannot be ignored.
    For antivirus, use Avast! or AVG. Both are free and very comprehensive, and don't take over the system like many commercial alternatives do.
    For anti-ad/spyware, use Microsoft Antispiware. Ad-Aware, Spybot Search&Destroy, HijackThis, are also good programs. Pick at least 2 of the above. Also, if you have Microsoft Antispyware installed, it will stop Daemon Tools's installer from putting adware on your system.
    For web browsing, a mac user will feel at home using Firefox. Look at Internet Explorer too and decide for yourself what you'd rather use :)
    For email, the open source Mozilla Thunderbird is a great (though not Windows exclusive) choice. It's a great alternative to Outlook, which you should also try if you're trying Microsoft Office.
    For Instant Messaging, try Trillian, though Gaim is an open-source app that has been ported as well.
    For SSH, SFTP, SCP, and Telnet use WinSCP for a gui tool and PuTTY for a comand line app.
    For codecs, Xvid will cover quite a bit. It includes divx, without the hassle of divx's official installer. Also get Real Alternative and Quicktime alternative because both real and apple (yes apple!) include less-than-desirable installers which will put processes in the background.

    Use the built-in WIndows tools!
    Start->run->gpedit.msc Set advanced administrative options here.
    Start->run->msconfig Go to the startup tab and disable junk that goes in the system tray.

    Best of luck, though I'm not certain how much Windows will impress you.

  153. Visual Studio by Mr2001 · · Score: 1

    I'm going to attempt a serious answer to this question... as a developer, the thing I miss most when I'm on a non-Windows system is Microsoft Visual Studio - the form designer, the ever-helpful code editor, and the C# language itself. You can download the Express versions for free.

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  154. Google Earth by Andyvan · · Score: 1

    That's the only one I can think of, assuming it's not already available for the Mac.

    -- Andyvan

  155. Picasa by alphakappa · · Score: 4, Informative

    Actually, as a longtime user of Picasa on Windows and iPhoto on the mac, I can say that not only does Picasa match iPhoto, it is far superior in usability. The mac is my primary computer and I am an avid photographer and it is only the lack of Picasa on the mac that really drives me nuts about OSX. If you are a mac fan, don't flame me unless you have really used Picasa for some length of time. Here are my reasons:

    1. Picasa lets me 'monitor folders', something iPhoto will not let me do. I hate having to 'import' pictures into iPhoto everytime I want to see my new pictures there.

    2. Picasa will let me put my photo album anywhere I want, including external drives. There is no straightforward way to change your album location in iPhoto (Yes it can be done, but it's a hack)

    3. Picasa will let me add photos to the library without actually copying them to the Picasa storage folder. iPhoto insists on copying all photos to the iPhoto folder everytime you add pictures to it. Why is this important? As a photographer I have tens of gigabytes of pictures that I do not wish to store on the mac hard drive because the storage I have on external drives far outstrips my hard drive size . Also they are organized the way I want them with proper folder names and heirarchies. If I 'import' them to iPhoto, it creates one big lump of a library which I have to organize painfully by hand if I wish to see my original configuration. Also, the folder organization in the iPhoto folder has no connection to the original organization I had.

    4. Non-destructive edits. I can touch, crop and do anything I wish to my pictures in Picasa and it doesn't hurt the original picture at all. I can come back later and undo everything I did. If I wish to retain my changes, I can simply export the current state of the picture. On iPhoto, the edits you do are non-undoable once you are done with the edits. Very painful for a photographer who wants to quickly try out some edits before opening up the full-fledged Photoshop.

    There are many more, but these are the important ones. As for features Picasa gives almost all the features I expect from a photo organizer (which, to be fair are also available in iPhoto)

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  156. Wrong by svnt · · Score: 1

    Let me start by saying that I am aware that running native packages in Linux is not the same as running their Windows counterparts under WINE. Let me follow that by saying that Pro/E has always been available on Linux, as has Solidworks. Even their latest software packages are available for Linux. It might only be precompiled binaries for Red Hat 7.3, but don't say it doesn't exist just because you haven't been exposed to it.

    If you're speaking strictly in terms of OS X BSDs then your statement was accurate, but it doesn't sound like you were, and this comment was in response to one on running under WINE.

    Eletronics Workbench doesn't really qualify as an industry standard, at least not in the way that major EDA companies such as Mentor Graphics and Cadence do. And they both offer Linux packages. Or you can work with gEDA which, although not industry standard, is very usable and f(F)ree.

    1. Re:Wrong by LookoutforChris · · Score: 3, Informative

      "Let me follow that by saying that Pro/E has always been available on Linux, as has Solidworks. Even their latest software packages are available for Linux."

      Wow...

      First off Pro/ENGINEER was first available for Linux with the release of WildFire. That'd be version 24 for you old-schoolers. As of right now they only support RedHat on SUN or HP hardware. And that's just Pro/ENGINEER ... no Mechanica, no Intralink or Windchill versions are available for Linux. So it's completely incorrect to say that all of PTCs latest software packages are available for Linux. See www.ptc.com

      Actually Pro/ENGINEER only used to run on SGI gear back in the late 80's early 90's ... thems was teh days.

      Next up, SolidWorks has never been available for anything other than Windows and probably never will be. Microsoft and SolidWorks are joined at the hips. So it's absolutely incorrect to say that any of SolidWorks software packages are available for Linux. See www.solidworks.com

      Somehow I doubt I you've used Pro/E or SW.

    2. Re:Wrong by Prune · · Score: 1

      I used SolidWorks in school for making stuff to be printed by the rapid prototyping 3D printer. I sure hope there's a better program than this, the interface is a piece of shit.

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    3. Re:Wrong by Siffy · · Score: 1

      If you're just wanting a more simple interface, you should try "Hammer and Chisel". It may not be as fast as SolidWorks, but you should get the hang of it after about 30 years practice with it.

    4. Re:Wrong by svnt · · Score: 1

      So, in my defense, I called a friend from college and it was Pro/E on Solaris, and it was several years ago. I remembered it as Linux since it was the same lab and my memory faltered.

      The Solidworks response was based off a coworker's remark and a quick Google which apparently were both errant. I apologize for that.

    5. Re:Wrong by Tower · · Score: 1

      We use to run PRO/E on the RS/6000s (AIX), Sun workstations (SunOS), and AIXTerm thin clients, too (much pain in that one, though). This was in the mid 1990s

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  157. windows apps by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    textpad
    ultraedit
    houdini

  158. PearPC by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  159. Movie Playback by UNFDAardvark · · Score: 1

    If you're planning to watch any sort of movies on Windows, there are a few useful programs (some of which are cross-platform):

    • VLC media player - a nice all-purpose media player that works with DVDs in addition to many other formats.
    • QuickTime Alternative and Real Alternative - free versions of the QT & Real codecs that allow you to play those formats without the need for a separate movie player for each. Also includes browser plugins and Media Player Classic, another free media player similar in appearance to old versions of Windows Media Player.
    • ffdshow - a codec that allows Windows Media Player to play videos encoded with divx, xvid, and a bunch of other stuff.
    • MPlayer, of course, also exists; I haven't tried it on Windows myself, though, so I can't say how well it works compared to its incarnations on other OSes.
  160. what Windows software amazes you? by debiansid · · Score: 1

    FDISK ;-)

  161. Apps by l00k · · Score: 1
    A list of perhaps lesser-known applications for PCs:

    Productivity
    - Dirkey - Free small utility that enables you to place invisible bookmarks on folders and go back to these bookmarked folders with shortcut key. It runs on startup and can be set to be invisible in your system tray. Works in Explorer and also Open/Save dialogue windows.
    - ObjectDock - Free OSX-style dock for your PC!
    - Windows Blinds - Skin your OS
    - MS Alt-tab Powertoy - Alt-tab across open applications with an thumbnail preview of the open application.

    Graphics
    - Paint.Net - Free image editing program

    Utilities (spam, anti-virus, FTP etc)
    - Avast Antivirus - Free and better than AVG

  162. Linux for Windows by Yottabyte84 · · Score: 1

    You laugh, but take a look at coLinux (http://www.colinux.org/). Windows runs debian just fine.

  163. I'd go with... by BkBen7 · · Score: 1

    Trillian for Instant Messaging

    FoxIt! PDF Reader

    for starters....

    Besides that and games, I'm not sure what else I couldn't do without.

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  164. Amazing by umbrellasd · · Score: 1

    All Windows software amazes me. I can't believe it even runs on that hunk of garbage OS.

  165. Useful apps by counterexample · · Score: 1
    Here are the ones I use a lot.
    • Ultraedit. Great text editor, sort of analogous to BBedit on the Mac.
    • Trillian. Cross-protocol IM client client. Connect to AOL, MSN, and Yahoo with one app.
    • Audiograbber. Rip CD's to MP3's, ogg, etc., with freedb lookup.
    • Pstart. Not essential, but a nice way to launch your applications, folders, common files, etc without digging through the start menu.
    • Dameware NT Utilities. General networking tools: remote control, remote administration, Magic Packet, etc.
    • CompuPic. Good photo browser and simple editor.
    Enjoy your experiment.
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  166. Oh brother... by CODiNE · · Score: 1

    Those of you calling this a troll are revealing your own anti-Windows biases. Who's the troll, the one who assumes there's some nice programs on Windows they don't know about, or the ones who laugh at him and say there are none? Sad really.

    Alright, assume you've used Macs for years and have always heard how Windows is better because of all those thousands of applications you poor Mac users can't run. :-/ Hrmmm... well there must be SOMETHING they've been lucky to have all those years. I'm a bit curious too, as a Mac user with my Mac Book... but I prefer Parallels to dual-booting.

    Anyways...
    Off the top of my head, there's AutoCAD, Outlook, maybe WinAmp or Media Player Classic... I'm using Imtoo DVD to iPod ripper since it lets me pull individual chapters in batch mode and make a different file for each one instead of ripping the whole DVD outright. (Yeah iSquint and Handbrake are nice, but they don't have everything I need yet)

    I don't know! I'm not a Windows user... but I know a huge percentage of Slashdot visitors are. What have you guys got? A sweet Usenet downloader? Better DVD ripping / burning software? IRC Chat programs? Emulators? Goodness there's a HUGE section of Windows software on SourceForge, I KNOW some of you guys are using it, enlighten us please.

    And it's a serious question, Boot Camp requires a minimum of 5GB Windows partition, so we may as well fill up the left over 2 or 3 gigs with decent software otherwise the space is totally wasted.

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  167. Calc! & Notepad! & start/run/command by DoninIN · · Score: 1

    Then once you've got a command prompt you can make directories and delete files and stuff, and they used have this killer file manager app. called Norton Commander, it was great it was just like Midnight Commander only for DOS, and then besides notepad there's charmap and ipconfig and ping and telnet and even more!
    Oh, wait, you were looking for something useful that's a windows ap? Well there's autocad and mastercam and my CMM software and a bunch of crap like that, but there's nothing else to recommend windows for, dude this is slashdot. (Although if you telnet to a unix shell you can probably use PICO or VI and maybe PINE or ELM)

  168. Learn Task Manager by fred911 · · Score: 1

    The 'ol 3 finger salute, CTL-ALT-DEL. You'll need it LOTS!

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  169. The List to end all Lists. . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I run Windows 98, and I use the following all the time. . .

    Graphics. . . Photoshop. GIMP just isn't there yet; dumb cross-hairs, and poor screen real estate management. When GIMP figures out the basics of GUI, I'll jump on, but until then, Adobe has my dollar.

    Vector Design. . . Corel Draw Old Guard. They've been around forever. Adobe Illustrator always annoyed me.

    Layout & Design. . . QuarkExpress. I don't like InDesign. After RageMaker, I just couldn't. . .

    Webbrowsing. . . FireFox (It's Free!)

    Email. . . ThunderBird (It's Free!)

    Music. . . Winamp (It's Free!)

    Word Processing. . . AbiWord (It's Free!)

    Text Editing. . . UltraEdit and EditPlus Very sweet little programs, and quite inexpensive, for all your HTML and HEX editing needs.

    FTP. . . PuTTY (It's Free!)

    Video. . . Windows Media Player and VLC and (shudder) Fucking Quicktime (In this world, you need a ton of different players to read everything. Stupid, but it's a stupid world.)

    Graphics Viewing. . . IfranView Look at every graphic format under the sun.

    Graphics Capture. . . SnagIt! It's cute, and it works.

    CD and DVD burning. . . Nero

    DVD Player. . . DVD-X Player Professional

    DVD Ripping. . . DVD2one (crunches a rented DVD into a file you can put on a DVD-R. Very nice.

    Spread Sheet. . . Corel Quattro Pro Not new, but like an old and comfortable pair of sneakers.

    Miscellaneous. . . Macromedia Dreamweaver a big bloated piece of shit which has a great global search and replace function for HTML programming which I've been too lazy to look for in other software.

    All in all, these programs have suited me well for ages.

    Have fun in Windows. When you know every in and out of the platform, when you have all the perfect software, you wonder why you'd ever want to change. . .

  170. CoLinux by Zhila+the+Great+Z · · Score: 1

    Yes, and it is called CoLinux

  171. Living off the grid -- easier than you think. by Yaztromo · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Let's take a realistic point of view. We have a computer user who seems to be well experienced. They even have a nicely designed blog online where you can write in your favourite Windows-only applications. Yet they claim that they have never been a windows user before (Making me wonder where they have been for the past 10+ years where windows has been the ubiquitous consumer & business software platform.)

    I'm a software developer. I've worked for IBM. I maintain and develop several Open Source software applications. And I haven't been a Windows user since Windows 3.1.

    I always have to laugh when some Windows user thinks that it is simply not possible to exist in the computing world without using Windows. However, it's quite a bit easier to live outside the Windows world than you think.

    How did I do it? Long before Windows 95 existed, I used a fine 32-bit, pre-emptively multitasking operating system called OS/2, which I used for most of the 1990's. Towards the late 1990's, when OS/2 was on the decline, I started working for IBM as an OS/2 developer, where I also did a lot of Unix/Linux work. Around the same time frame, I started running Linux at home in parallel to my OS/2 machine as a way of running software through X that I didn't otherwise have access to.

    With the serious decline of OS/2 in the 2000's, I moved over to Mac OS X (along with running a lot of Unix systems). For the last number of years much of my paid work has been in Java comsulting, where I get to pick what platform I use.

    So I haven't had a Windows machine since 1993 at this point. True, I have encountered them here and there over the years, but I've been able to avoid being assigned to a Windows machine in my home or at any place of work I've held in all that time. The trick is damn simple for the most part: be so freakishly good at what you do that people will be happy to comply with your platform requests, and let them know up from you have no interest in working with Windows. So far, it's worked every time here.

    Yaz.
    Windows Free since '93.

    1. Re:Living off the grid -- easier than you think. by nite_warrior · · Score: 1

      but then you have been *avoiding*, why somebody who has been able to avoid it (there are windows machines and you could have been tempted) wants to rush (suddenly) to get his hands on the very same OS he's been avoiding? I would give my doubt on the origins of the article.

    2. Re:Living off the grid -- easier than you think. by TheNetAvenger · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'm a software developer

      I hope you don't mean you NEVER use Windows or a newer version than 3.1...

      You owe it to yourself to fully understand what is out there, and the development division of Microsoft has done some really cool things in the past 10 years. Not always perfect, but different and worth knowing to at least get ideas or very least know your competition.

      Even looking at the *nix market we see the classic 'taskbar' in everything from KDE to GNOME and other variants. It is kind of sad that MS was the first one with a taskbar like this, but it isn't such a bad idea, so I don't mind see others parrot it.

      I find too many experienced IT people that I interview and they are non-Windows people which is fine, but when asked what they are working on or why they like one OS, etc.

      I find that many times they have NO idea how much the industry has passed them by. I get answers like, I use XXXX because I want a real 32bit OS, or real Multi-Tasking, or I am developing this cool application idea (an idea that has been built into Window or other OSes for YEARS) and they think they are being innovative.

      Basically you can't be innovative, unless you know what else is out there.

      Getting off of Windows is great, but don't close your mind to the stuff from Redmond, they surprise many great developers sometimes, by statistics alone, it has to happen. For example at the PDC in September they shook up the way a lot of us developers view software, and even some of us are developing on other platforms, their ideas were something good to build from.

      I assume you don't mean you haven't used Windows to at least explore the competition, but in case you haven't or others in here haven't, it is worth your time...

      Nice VMWare or other tool and at least run a test version somewhere. (Hint, if you are using VMWare or another comperable tool, you can use the 180day Free version of WindowsXP and just reinstall it.)

    3. Re:Living off the grid -- easier than you think. by strider44 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Even looking at the *nix market we see the classic 'taskbar' in everything from KDE to GNOME and other variants. It is kind of sad that MS was the first one with a taskbar like this, but it isn't such a bad idea, so I don't mind see others parrot it.

      You'd have a great point, that is if MS actually *was* the first one with a taskbar like this...

    4. Re:Living off the grid -- easier than you think. by Ohreally_factor · · Score: 1

      In my case, it's simple. Games. I'm not enough into games to want to own a dedicated Windows box; there are enough Mac games to keep me reasonably happy.

      I'm not rushing out to get my hands on Windows OS, either. It can wait until I'm ready. In fact, I probably won't be buying a Macintelosh until just before Vista comes out in 2009*. =)

      (But seriously, I'm not planning on getting one until sometime in 2007, probably late 2007. I'm no longer interested in the bleeding edge, so I'll want to wait to get a 2nd or 3rd rev, and I like to buy factory refurbs.)

      * I must admit that XP SP4, due out early next year, does sound intriguing.

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    5. Re:Living off the grid -- easier than you think. by Tim+Browse · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You'd have a great point, that is if MS actually *was* the first one with a taskbar like this...

      So don't leave us hanging, which GUI do you think had it first? Personally, I'm going with Acorn RISC OS, but would be interested if there's another contender.

    6. Re:Living off the grid -- easier than you think. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hmm, what I find most useful about the Windows taskbar is that each _document_ appears on it.

      MacOs X I find a pain to use with many different documents open in several different applications - you can switch between programs easily, but then have to use whatever scheme that program uses for switching windows (which may or may not conform to the UI guidelines).

      Risc OS puts icons on the taskbar for each loaded program, but you can't use them for actual task switching. Iirc, the default action is to create a new document, but again, it's up to whoever wrote the software, not the OS.

      Maybe it's because it's what I'm used to, but this one UI difference alone makes me feel much more productive on both Windows / Linux, as they take the document-centric approach rather than the program-centric approach.

    7. Re:Living off the grid -- easier than you think. by RSevrinsky · · Score: 1
      Windows Free since '93.

      Yes, I get your HIMYM reference -- does anybody else here?

    8. Re:Living off the grid -- easier than you think. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would have to say that you are an exception to the rule.

    9. Re:Living off the grid -- easier than you think. by Yaztromo · · Score: 1
      Yes, I get your HIMYM reference -- does anybody else here?

      Well, considering it was my post, and that I've never even heard of this show (much less seen it), any resemblance to something said/written/done/whatever in HIMYM is purely a coincidence. But hey, you win a cookie from me for finding an obscure reference anyhow :).

      Yaz.

    10. Re:Living off the grid -- easier than you think. by narooze · · Score: 1

      I always have to laugh when some Windows user thinks that it is simply not possible to exist in the computing world without using Windows. However, it's quite a bit easier to live outside the Windows world than you think.

      I agree totally. There is a fair share of users out there that almost never use Windows. I, myself, use Linux at home, most of my friends use Linux, BSD or OS X and we use Sun Solaris at school.
    11. Re:Living off the grid -- easier than you think. by bheer · · Score: 1

      I'm a software developer. I've worked for IBM. I maintain and develop several Open Source software applications. And I haven't been a Windows user since Windows 3.1. ... The trick is damn simple for the most part: be so freakishly good at what you do that people will be happy to comply with your platform requests, and let them know up from you have no interest in working with Windows. So far, it's worked every time here.

      You know, if your post was supposed to impress us about your professional skills, it didn't work for me. If you're really so freakishly good at what you do, you would try your hands on everything under the sun -- if not with a goal of achieving proficiency on that platform, then with the goal of figuring out what $foo platform does right so you can improve your favorite platform.

      Ever wonder why Office starts so fast? Why Firefox starts faster on stock Windows systems over stock Linux systems? Why Windows users go nuts trying to use the mouse on other platforms? Ever wonder how IIS (and Tux on Redhat) beats the pants off Apache in fileserving benchmarks?

      But no -- I could be wrong, but it seems to me you've merely traded in the 'Windows is good enough' PHB attitude so decried on /. for a 'Java is good enough so the OS doesn't matter' attitude. (What's more amusing is that the market says that the PHB is right and you are wrong.)

    12. Re:Living off the grid -- easier than you think. by Yaztromo · · Score: 2, Insightful
      You know, if your post was supposed to impress us about your professional skills, it didn't work for me. If you're really so freakishly good at what you do, you would try your hands on everything under the sun -- if not with a goal of achieving proficiency on that platform, then with the goal of figuring out what $foo platform does right so you can improve your favorite platform.

      You certainly do assume quite a lot. First off, no matter how good a developer someone is, they can't go around and fix every piece of code on the planet. That includes me. Sorry -- I also have other things to do with my life that don't involve sitting in front of a computer.

      Besides which, I'm more interested in generating new and novel research output at this point in time, than tweaking platforms. I've most recently been doing work in the realm of security, confidentiality, data communications, and data integrity for health information on portable computing devices. Along with some AI R&D on the side. None of which has required any Windows.

      The computing world is a big, big place, and doesn't just revolve around writing end-user applications or OS software, you know.

      I could be wrong, but it seems to me you've merely traded in the 'Windows is good enough' PHB attitude so decried on /. for a 'Java is good enough so the OS doesn't matter' attitude.

      I've had to write more than my share of JNI code to not spout off like that here. There are a lot of things I like about Java, but in reality these days I use it professionally purely because it is well entrenched, and it's the target environment for many of the projects I've worked on (something that I haven't necessarily had a say in). For some of my own personal projects and research, I've been working in Objective-C as of late.

      There are, however, problems where the language isn't all that important, and where the platform you do your development on (which may not be the target for execution -- ever try to write code and compile on a handheld or embedded device?) doesn't matter either. You just need to get out of the cubicle a little more often :).

      Yaz.

    13. Re:Living off the grid -- easier than you think. by Halo1 · · Score: 2, Informative
      MacOs X I find a pain to use with many different documents open in several different applications - you can switch between programs easily, but then have to use whatever scheme that program uses for switching windows (which may or may not conform to the UI guidelines).
      cmd-` always works in my experience.
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    14. Re:Living off the grid -- easier than you think. by adamofgreyskull · · Score: 1

      Except when you have lots of apps open. On both XP(work) and whatever KDE version I use now 3.2..I think(home), the default behaviour is to group taskbar entries per application once the taskbar is filled.

      In internet explorer it's a pain when a site doesn't have meaningful titles for each page, there's no way of knowing which is which. You then have to go through the list of windows that pops up from the taskbar.

      Does Windows have multiple desktops out of the box yet? That's something I couldn't do without.

    15. Re:Living off the grid -- easier than you think. by Yaztromo · · Score: 1
      I agree totally. There is a fair share of users out there that almost never use Windows. I, myself, use Linux at home, most of my friends use Linux, BSD or OS X and we use Sun Solaris at school.

      Careful there -- you're challenging some Windows-users view of the computing world, and they're going to spout off on you with the fullness of their zeal for claiming to never use Windows. After all, how can you get by in the modern world without using Windows for every common computing task that every other platform out there can do?

      Yaz

    16. Re:Living off the grid -- easier than you think. by TheNetAvenger · · Score: 1

      Except when you have lots of apps open. On both XP(work) and whatever KDE version I use now 3.2..I think(home), the default behaviour is to group taskbar entries per application once the taskbar is filled

      That is why - being offbeat from the norm - I always run with the bar on the right hand of the screen when the OS supports it.

      That way I can have 20-30 application windows open and each one is a unique button/tab. The multi-grouping is ok for along the bottom of the screen but I like individual quick clicks to get to everything, plus being able to see everything with a glance. The other suck part of running with the bar along the bottom or top is even with a 1920 display you get like 10 applications at most before they start grouping.

    17. Re:Living off the grid -- easier than you think. by rizzo420 · · Score: 1

      most video cards include drivers that you can setup multiple desktops with...

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    18. Re:Living off the grid -- easier than you think. by TheNetAvenger · · Score: 1

      You'd have a great point, that is if MS actually *was* the first one with a taskbar like this...

      Ok, I'll bite, cause I would truly like to know what I missed. I have been around longer than I would like to admit, and I know of menu launchers, and even the Next Button Launcher, but I do know know of any other 'active' taskbar concept that existed prior to Win95(Chicago).

      If you have a reference to one, I would love to see it, and will admit I was mistaken. I did a quick reference search after seeing your post, and even digging through Wikipedia and older OS and Window Manager references I could locate, yet nothing I could find had an active taskbar concept prior to Windows even though I could find several latter implementations.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taskbar

      Curious to what you find, take care...

    19. Re:Living off the grid -- easier than you think. by strider44 · · Score: 1

      ha ha I'm not going to get into the debate of who actually was first. That kind of thing only works if the participants are drunk. It's easy enough to say Microsoft wasn't, but hell you could pick anything from Windows and say "Microsoft wasn't first to do this" and you'd most likely be right. The acorns themselves were pretty cool - got a few of them at home ... I wonder if they were actually the first?

      Someone's really got to go and make a definitive who was first!

    20. Re:Living off the grid -- easier than you think. by tomcres · · Score: 3, Interesting
      It's funny, I'm a former OS/2 user myself. When Windows 95 came out, and OS/2 software was becoming rarer and rarer, I broke down and bought it. It was about as dreadful as Windows 3.1 was, but at least had a useful desktop. I ended up going back to OS/2 and started using Linux regularly at that point, dual-booting between Warp 4 and Slackware (thanks, OS/2 Boot Manager!).

      But, eventually, I found that a lot of the mainstream stuff just wasn't available. It took a long time to compile software on a 486 under Linux (there wasn't much binary software for Linux at the time.. all the a.out vs. ELF, Slackware vs. Red Hat... it was ugly) and OS/2 was practically dead at that point. So when I bought a new computer, I got Windows NT 4.0. Other than software that was designed for 95 that didn't like NT and having to be a little choosier with peripherals, I was happy. It was close enough to the OS/2 experience that I was comfortable, so I've been on Windows (NT) ever since.. from 4.0 to 2000 (5.0) to XP (5.1) to XP x64 (5.2).

      I'm just guessing, but I think most people's aversion to all things Microsoft stems mostly from the utter unreliability and crudness of Windows 95 and 98. Had they been NT users, I think that they'd have had a different opinion of Microsoft operating systems.

      But also, I'm not a developer. I'm more interested in the web, multimedia, and games. Microsoft Money is the one application I can't live without. I used to use Quicken on OS/2, but using MS Money for the first time was an epiphany. I even tried switching to Mac a couple of times, but Quicken is just crap compared to MS Money (for someone like me who knows jack #?@! about finance and needs something that is mistake-proof and simple and interfaces directly with my bank).

    21. Re:Living off the grid -- easier than you think. by Kanaka+Kid · · Score: 1
      I knew that PC's existed and was around them since their inception in 1981, but never really used one until 1997, when I was forced to use the Wintel platform at the university where I was hired. I remember my first hacks on Windows 95/98 and how I thought that it was a very slow and klunky version of a Mac.

      I was in grad school in 1984 when the Macintosh first came out. I had a choice at that time of using VAX/VMS on a VAX 780 or a Mac, since IBM-compatibles were not capable of doing our calculations or theses as easily as the 780 (for computation) or the Mac (for word processing). Since its inception in 1984 Mac has had a task bar as an integral part of its GUI/OS, thus I fail to see where MS Windows was a leader in using a taskbar.

      Continuing with more grad-school in the 1990's, I used a Vax 780 running Unix (ultrix), Sun Sparcstations on unix (later Solaris), and Macs on Ver 6 and 7. Unix, as you probably know, is a true multi-tasking os because it was designed that way by ATT/Bell Labs. DOS and early versions of Windows claimed to be multi-taksing, but were unable to either time-share or multi-task in the same sense as mainframes, VMS, Mac Sys 7, or unix. To me, multi-tasking on Windows is kludgey at best.

      As an undergrad in the mid-1970's, I was using Compass on a CDC 6400, a computer with a true 60-bit (yes, sixty, not sixty-four) CPU designed by Seymour Cray. So again, I fail to see where MS has been very innovative regarding 64-bit systems, while the applications have changed, and the hardware gotten smaller and cheaper, the conceptual architecture and uses of a 60 (64) bit machine remains the same.

      Many of the paradigms used by current hardware and software, including MS, were developed by IBM for the MVS os of its famed System 360, which I used to program for my Dad while I was in secondary school in the early 1970's. (My Dad taught me Fortran when I was in the ninth grade; the university's computer center people taught me JCL.)

      I guess that the idea that I am leading to is that if one works and plays on technically advanced hardware, using advanced non-MS software, I think that it is very possible to not use MS products for many years and not be behind the curve; the above experiences provide counterpoints to any proposal that MS is a leader in technology. I would agree that MS has a wildly successful business model; but that does not necessarily mean that their vision of computing has any substance.

      I used Windows between 1997 and 2005, but have just switched back to *nix, as my day-to-day applications, including Matlab, do not need Windows, and I missed the stability of *nix although my Windows-based friends say that Windows' stability is getting better.

      I think that a more interesting concept for contemplation is: what integration will we see in the next 10 years across communications/electronics (the EE's), mechanical devices (the ME's) and computing platforms (the CS's).

    22. Re:Living off the grid -- easier than you think. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      RISC OS (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RISC_OS) certainly had an active task bar long before Windows. It worked a bit differently (better actually) from the one in Windows. Each running program had an icon in the taskbar. Open windows from the applications could be accessed from a menu invoked from these icons. There were also a lot of toys/tools that could be run on the taskbar such as clocks, menus, etc.

    23. Re:Living off the grid -- easier than you think. by harrkev · · Score: 1

      To me, games are not much of a compelling reason to go with Windows. Some may disagree with me, but consoles are better for gaming. Yeah, I know - consoles do not have a keyboard/mouse which makes them unsuitable for FPS. But I am not really into FPS, so I don't care :P Besides, I can play Metroid just fine with a controller.

      But, to me, the point is that if you are seriously into PC gaming, then you are dropping a few hundred dollars every year or two just to upgrade your graphics card - not to mention the upgrades to the mobo/processor. That is a lot of coin. Also, a lot of games are happily throwing crap on your system just to mess it up (Starforce anyone?). You have things like Steam which REQUIRE a high-speed internet connection to play (or, you can wait 60 hours for the new updates to download over dial-up).

      Or, you can blow anywhere between $100 to $500 for a single console that will last for a good five years or so without having to upgrade. And you will have no worries about compatibility, DLL hell, having to re-install the OS, driver problems, etc. It is also possible to find used games at a bit of a discount.

      Of course, there will also be the fact that it is possible to build a far more powerful PC, and that the graphics (and monitor) will be better. These are all valid points, but how much eye-candy do you really need? I find that my old Gamecube is realistic enough for me to enjoy plaing it. Sure, it is not perfect -- but it is more than good enough.

      So, I guess that my point is that you can get a gaming fix easier and cheaper using a console than you can with a PC. But I do acknowledge that some games are just plain better with a mouse/keyboard. To each his own.

      ** But, back to the original question: must-have apps for the PC. **

      The things that I would have a hard time living without is that my wife likes to use greeting-card programs on the PC (Print Master, etc.). The last time that I looked, there was NOTHING like this out for Linux. You could probably make something workable using things like Gimp or Open Office Writer, but these would be clumsy substitutes at best.

      The other thing is the mapping sofware that goes with my GPS. If you own a mapping GPS that does not come with the maps pre-installed, the only way to get maps into these things is with a Windows PC (Garmin promises Mac sofware soon). For this reason alone I would need to keep windows around.

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    24. Re:Living off the grid -- easier than you think. by umedia · · Score: 1

      "Windows Free since '93" Living a shamelessly capitalistic life pimping Windows to investment bankers since 92, and I sleep very well at night...

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    25. Re:Living off the grid -- easier than you think. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Congratulations, you are a moron.

      If you were truely interested in computers, you'd check out all the platforms available to you, for no other reason than to learn from the different approaches people used. You are the typical freenode irc type that proudly state that you don't use Windows every time a Windows user asks a question in an open source project channel.

      Avoiding Windows for the sake of avoiding Windows is not smart. It is stupid.

      And the parent poster that applauded himself for not knowing what a DLL is - bravo! You are proud that you don't know how alternative implementations to ELF and dynlib have been implemented. You are proud that the GUI advances Windows has created never reached you (unless Apple decided to adapt to them).

    26. Re:Living off the grid -- easier than you think. by umedia · · Score: 1
      "I agree totally. There is a fair share of users out there that almost never use Windows. I, myself, use Linux at home, most of my friends use Linux, BSD or OS X and we use Sun Solaris at school." Sun Solaris at school."

      Regardless to the continent they come from, bank or family they represent, when guests come to our offices they will bring their data or concerns on a windows laptop. Ok, once two and half years ago someone brought in a MAC, but he still used powerpoint.

      I find it a bit silly to ignore the economic reality of Windows penetration in the business world.

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    27. Re:Living off the grid -- easier than you think. by elrous0 · · Score: 1
      you could pick anything from Windows and say "Microsoft wasn't first to do this"

      You could do the same with virtually *ANY* OS (or idea for that matter). True originality is very rare. People usually build new ideas, at least in part, on earlier ideas.

      -Eric

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    28. Re:Living off the grid -- easier than you think. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It would probably be pretty easy to track Microsofts aquisitions as a good indicator of where to looks for a lot of firsts. Microsoft is very good at aquiring technology from somewhere else (version 1). Making a lot a changes to try to make it fit the windows model (version 2). And finally hacking together a working version that is reasonably well integrated with windows and somewhat useful (version 3). As always the greatest example of innovation from within microsoft is Microsoft Bob, and we all know how well that worked out.

    29. Re:Living off the grid -- easier than you think. by prell · · Score: 1

      And let's not forget: though it seems to me to be a dirty little secret, I have to mention that Microsoft gave us XMLHttpRequest. Though I have to admit, I doubt I would use it if it required ActiveX.

    30. Re:Living off the grid -- easier than you think. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Getting off of Windows is great, but don't close your mind to the stuff from Redmond, they surprise many great developers sometimes, by statistics alone, it has to happen.

      Great. Is the the argument that if you put an infinite number of Microsofties in front of Notepad and a compiler, the probability is 1 that they will eventualy produce Mac OS X? Maybe, but why wait?

    31. Re:Living off the grid -- easier than you think. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, most third party drivers do support multiple desktops. And when they cause a problem with a custom-built application, the developer will spit right back at you that you need to disable that nonstandard function.

      When it's built into the OS, it gives the users some ammunition to fire back at the lazy development team to stop taking shortcuts & write code that actually functions correctly. Doesn't always work, but at least if it's out-of-the-box standard they get treated like a moron for doing things the wrong way.

      For example - Windows has supported moving the taskbar from the bottom of the screen to the other corners of the screen for over a decade. Yet when you move it you'll notice how often poorly written apps put will windows UNDER the task bar, yet somehow always leave space at the bottom of the screen. There's a function you can call to tell the application how big the screen is minus the taskbar, and to place the window based on x/y coordinates within that space - yet (sometimes it seems like most) programmers don't bother.

    32. Re:Living off the grid -- easier than you think. by arminw · · Score: 2, Informative

      ....you can switch between programs easily, but then have to use whatever scheme that program uses for switching windows ....

      In OSX, the Expose function allows easy switching between apps and numerous windows within them. Does MS have something like that? The taskbar gets pretty crowded fast and then it becomes hard to figure out which one is the right one.

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    33. Re:Living off the grid -- easier than you think. by Ohreally_factor · · Score: 1

      I buy two to three games a year. I like games, I'm just not into them enough to seriously consider building or buying a dedicated gaming rig.

      By the same token, consoles and console games cost too much for me. I've considered buying a used PS, but I don't think I'd get that much use out of it. I'm looking forward to the Nintendo Revolution, however. That platform seems to be targeted at people like me, who want to play games, but don't really want to invest that much.

      (As a total aside, I've found a much better hobby to sink my money into: motorcycles. Riding a motorcycle, even when it's just to work, is a million times better than any video game. I'm only sorry I only found this out in the last two years.)

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    34. Re:Living off the grid -- easier than you think. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "A bit silly"!!!!; you underestimate the idiocy of the average slashdotter. Look at how the parent post talks about the zeal of windows users! People in glass houses...

      Anyhow, if people want to demonstrate just how smart they are by selecting some esoteric os(n_x) and then crapping on about it, then fair enough; hey it makes you look smart! keep telling yourself that.

      They're not nearly as idiotic as the poor souls that pay through the nose for a heap of crap from mr jobs and think that their consumer and lifestyle choice makes them look cool! HA! Ever get the feeling you've been had? You fell for the hype and you deserve what you get- a second rate toy designed by marketing people.

    35. Re:Living off the grid -- easier than you think. by Mister+Whirly · · Score: 1

      Con$oles are teh suck d00d!!!!

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    36. Re:Living off the grid -- easier than you think. by harrkev · · Score: 1

      See? You have just proven my point. Dedicatd PC gamers have barely even figured out how to spell. I am somewhere between a console gamer and a non-gamer. I can complete a coherent thought, use punctuation properly, and use complete sentances. Behold my amazing ability.

      My next trick should blow away PC gamers: walking and chewing gum at the same time (ohhhhhhh, ahhhhhh).

      I kid. ;)

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    37. Re:Living off the grid -- easier than you think. by jimicus · · Score: 1

      Agreed, RISC OS 2 had something very similar and that was available in 1988.

    38. Re:Living off the grid -- easier than you think. by TheNetAvenger · · Score: 1

      RISC OS (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RISC_OS) certainly had an active task bar long before Windows. It worked a bit differently (better actually) from the one in Windows. Each running program had an icon in the taskbar. Open windows from the applications could be accessed from a menu invoked from these icons. There were also a lot of toys/tools that could be run on the taskbar such as clocks, menus, etc.

      I thought maybe this would be brought up...

      However it was something I had used, and even though it did meet some of the concepts of a taskbar, it was not inherently any more functional than the NextStep Bar, which predated the RiscOS UI bar.

      The RiscOS UI bar was also very 'minimal' in function compared to the later versions that appearred in 1996, after Windows 95 was on the market. Then adding things like running applicaion lists and other thing that were first presented in Win95.

      If you look at the Bar prior to Win95, it was basically a Next Bar type of functionality, and if you use any of the current versions, you will notice that the bar has evolved to mimic some of the Win95 features that are also found in other OSes like KDE.

      Go back to the Wikipedia article you reference, the timeline of what features where in the bar are what you need to pay attention to.

      It provided a launcher, some applet display like NextStep (clock for example) and Drive Icons or Control Panel funcitons on the bar, it wasn't a taskbar to quickly flip/tab between running applications.

      I'm sure there was some influence from both Next and the RiscOS UI bar, but for providing the funcitonality added in Win95, neither did what the main function of the taskbar did.

    39. Re:Living off the grid -- easier than you think. by TheNetAvenger · · Score: 1

      Does Windows have multiple desktops out of the box yet? That's something I couldn't do without

      This is something provided by almost all Video cards as a utility, there are also 10 to 100s of utilities that provide this functionality. I believe there is even a couple of Microsoft PowerToy type utilities that have been available since 1995 to do this, before it became a standard staple of other OSes.

      Windows also supports many multi-monitor configurations, even splitting the video RAM to utilize multiple outputs on video cards and especailly notebooks, even if the drivers don't inherently provide this functionality.

  172. actually... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The only can't-live-without program for windows I can think of (that hasn't been mentioned already) is winamp.

    Most windows apps that I would consider "elegant" are all open source and multi-platform anyway (eg firefox, vlc, xchat, etc).

  173. It's got to be pr0n software by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As far as I know, there are NO adult titles released for the Mac. For windows, however, it's a whole different story.

    Artificial Girl, for example, is on it's second release and 3D accelerated! (with very accurate... erm... customizable model)

    And there are tons more others that's cartoon based. Most are from japan so if you just look at a torrent site in the adult games section, you should find many.

    linky: http://www.gamespot.com/pc/sim/artificialgirl2/ind ex.html (no screenshots or anything, but should get you started)

  174. Porting by Brandybuck · · Score: 1

    Porting. The only reason I keep Windows around is to port software to it. It's also the only reason I have a Mac. 95% of my home computer use is on FreeBSD and KDE. I've thought about switching totally to the Mac, but would never consider switching to Windows.

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  175. Antivirus and Firewall - Most Critical by slashmaddy · · Score: 1

    Perhaps the most critical "MUST HAVEs" for a windows box are a set of good Antivirus and Firewall. I use Antivir and ZoneAlarm. Apart from that, here are my favorites

    1. Firefox and Thunderbird
    2. Openoffice
    3. Alcohol 120%. To mount CD images and burn them.
    4. Google Talk
    5. xplore2 www.zabkat.com. A dual pane file explorer. Comes in really really handy.
    6. PowerDVD or any DVD player soft (XP dosen't have a DVD decoder inbuilt)
    7. IrfanView image viewer
    8. Picasa. Awesome digital photo management.

  176. April Fools was awhile ago by Araxen · · Score: 0, Redundant

    12 days ago actually...

  177. Has to be said by Guppy06 · · Score: 1

    FDISK.

  178. Microsoft Office by rve · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Seriously, why doesn't anyone mention MS Office?

    Visio and Access for rapidly and easily designing and prototyping, powerpoint for presentations. There are other applications that can replace Word and Excel, but they don't support ythe same level of integration. Just drag and drop a table from Excel into a Word document.

    Because Office doesn't support exporting to PDF yet, you'll need CutePDF writer: http://www.cutepdf.com/

    1. Re:Microsoft Office by TheLink · · Score: 1

      Because

      1) its available for the Mac

      2) some people even say MS Office for Mac is better than the MS Office for windows.

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    2. Re:Microsoft Office by AliasTheRoot · · Score: 1

      It's very good, and for general day to day stuff often works better. However:

      Entourage isn't a drop in Outlook replacement and is limited when connecting to Exchange. It also has a habit of blowing up and corrupting your email when you hit around 4gig.

      There is no Access, Visio etc.

      The whole suite is prone to corrupted fonts / settings - most normal users don't know to delete ~/Library/Microsoft* when this happens.

      The files tend to be cross compatible, but the sorry state of Mac fonts scuppers this a lot.

    3. Re:Microsoft Office by Spurion · · Score: 1
      Okay maybe I'm just a retard, but Visio for easily designing and prototyping? It's the most f*cking sh*t piece of diagramming software I've ever had the misfortune to have to use. Visio makes it incredibly hard to build a diagram where the arrows go where they're meant to and the text doesn't flow over arrows and other text. The list of basic layout tasks that it fails to automate is longer than the list of tasks that it does in fact automate.

      Using Visio for designs is like using Project for management. It just doesn't do you any favours.

      (end of rant)

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    4. Re:Microsoft Office by FirstTimeCaller · · Score: 1

      ... Office doesn't support exporting to PDF yet ...

      I would not hold my breath if I were you. Microsoft is promoting their own version called XPS. Then again, they did say they would support PDF. Which do you believe? Personally, I'm betting on them promoting their own technology over PDF.

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  179. This thread is proof that Windows is useless by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Bias alert: I mainly use Linux and BSD, and I also own a Mac.

    Reading the blog link is incredible. Watch as the Windows users respond with glowing descriptions of software which is simply unimpressive. Someone listed anti-virus and spyware blockers as their killer app. Wait a minute. So, the reason I should use your platform is... Because it has nifty tools which combat its fundemental brokenness and the horrors of everyday use? Get real.

    Other than that, people recommend things that exist on other platforms, often in a more elegant way. One person recommended PuTTY. xterm on X11, Terminal.app on the Mac. Another recommended Cygwin. Why have that when you can get the real thing?

    I hadn't realized just how bad Windows as a platform is until seeing these recommendations. This thread is a total joke.

  180. Tried Omnigraffle Professional? by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    I have not used it for years, but have a friend or two who have used Visio and think Omnigraffle has gotten quite good - you can download a free trial.

    I have to imagine you've heard of it already as it's really well known, but just on the off chance you had msised it I thought it deserved a mention.

    I don't know what you have in mind to do with the program but there are some other pretty impressive design/drawing packages on the Mac, a friend just used one recently on a basement design - sorry I can't remember the name offhand.

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    1. Re:Tried Omnigraffle Professional? by amper · · Score: 1

      I own OmniGraffle Pro. It pales in comparison to Visio Pro, even the Visio of five or six years ago. Maybe in another five or six years, OmniGraffle will reach the level that Visio did back then, which would only put OmniGraffle about ten to twelve years behind Visio. OmniGraffle is good, but it's no Visio.

  181. 46 Best-ever Freeware Utilities by Futurepower(R) · · Score: 2, Interesting

    46 Best-ever Freeware Utilities for Windows. Very good list and a good newsletter. Subscribe to the paid newsletter and get more recommendations: Extended list of 81.

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  182. Funny thing by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    I didn't like iTunes for Windows, it's just too slow. Searches took too long/were too laggy. It's not like my hardware isn't up to snuff: Athlon 2100+, 512 mb ram, nforce board, 7200 rpm ata 133 drive. The ironic thing is that Juk, the iTunes clone under KDE/Linux, works great. Still, I'm kinda stuck in Windows at the moment. I've been using Winamp. The UI isn't as nice, but it's fast.

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    1. Re:Funny thing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It works OK on my PIII-800, but nowhere near as nicely as on my Mac mini.

    2. Re:Funny thing by SuperMog2002 · · Score: 1

      If speed is the only reason you don't like iTunes for Windows, and you haven't tried it in a while, you might want to download the latest version and give it a shot. It's been getting a little faster with each release, and it's much, much faster now than it was two years ago.

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    3. Re:Funny thing by jb.hl.com · · Score: 1

      YMMV, but I found that turning off Music Store links in Preferences made things speed up incredibly. I have most stuff turned off and it runs acceptably.

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  183. Mac frustration by lifeisgreat · · Score: 1

    I'm sure there are some shortcuts I'm missing, but after being a win2k admin for years and now helping out my cousin with her new (used) powerboook there are a few things I've noticed that just slow me down.

    1. Running applications.

    Maybe I just live with too many utilities, but it's hardly realistic to load up the dock with 50+ shortcuts. The lack of a Windows-Key-R hotkey to bring up a little "run this command" dialog on the mac drives me insane sometimes. Continually going through the "Recent Applications" submenu or navigating through the slow as molasses Finder for programs just really puts me off. Am I missing something? Anyway, that brings me to:

    2. File management.

    I really, REALLY miss the left-side folder pane of explorer. Moving files around, importing files from flash cards or just navigation are seemingly discouraged by Finder, and I'm yet to figure out how to move files (i.e. copy and then delete, or on windows leftclick-drag-release-"move") between volumes. I was importing mp3s from an external drive to the mac, and the transfer would just die when it hit a file with an unsupported name (some unicode character). Instead of prompting to skip that file, Finder just aborted the copy without telling me the file name, and then when I tried to re-copy the mp3s back from the external drive there was no option to skip already-existing files! Since I couldn't do a move, the operation became extremely elongated. And then there's just the tedium of expanding and collapsing each little directory, creating and ever-longer-and-longer scrolling list of folders and subfolders that are just begging for a summarizing tree-list like explorer's.

    Anyway, for some windows programs I miss on the mac, how about:

    - the most important: Clockgen / A64Tweaker! (any mac overclocking tools??)
    - VirtualDubMod
    - Ghost
    - QuEnc
    - TCPView
    - foobar2000
    - Media Player Classic (Videolan is an unstable beast at the best of times)
    - EncSpot
    - UltraISO
    - Daemon Tools
    - 7-Zip
    - Shareaza (what the hell is wrong with mac p2p apps anyway? they're crash-prone, all > 10 MB in size and with interfaces worse than kazaa. I just don't get it.)

  184. Itunes is turdware by EmbeddedJanitor · · Score: 0, Troll
    I recently bought an ipod for my wife and immediately grew to hate the way itunes runs on a PC. Maybe it's the PC, iTunes or the combo, but it really sucks. The software hangs for up to 30 seconds while waiting for gawd knows what. I rank it with other turdware like IE and Outlook.

    You need a Aplle-fanboy lobotomy to live itunes.

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  185. wait wait wait by Phil+Urich · · Score: 1

    I've been considering buying a second computer and runnign the Linux version of Freeboat. With BootCamp, I might just buy a new Mac, run windows from Bootcamp with as much isolation from the net as I can manage, and run the Windows version.

    If you were considering buying a second comp and running Linux on it, why wouldn't you just dual-boot your Mac? It's not like Linux doesn't have PPC binaries and compiling and blah blah blah technobabble it'll run on Macs, right? Admittedly I've mainly worked with Macs when it's not an option for me to go seriously screwing around with them, so you might have perfectly good reasons why it wouldn't've worked that I don't know about. So (and I suppose this might be a bit of a shocker, this being /. and all, but) I'm actually asking without trying to troll or anything, why couldn't you have dual-booted with Linux long ago?

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    1. Re:wait wait wait by Intraloper · · Score: 1

      this is late, maybe you'll still read this.

      The mac itself has done everything I need, up until recently. Freeboat (Linux and Windows) is a recent desire; and I've been deciding which way I want to go. That's why I said (more or less) 'maybe.'

      And Rhino only runs on Windows, there is no Linux version. So if I go with Rhino, I'm stuck with Windows.

      I've played with Linux, but no mroe than that. I do run a number of apps in X ont eh Mac, so I suspect it woudlnt be much of a learning curve to go to Linux on the Mac, if I decide to go with FreeBoats.

      I didnt claim ths was well thoguht out yet; I was just stretchgn to find a scenarionunder which I woudl dual boot Windows, mostly.

  186. Companion too for DVD Decrypter: DVD Shrink by MojoStan · · Score: 1
    * DVD Decrypter Recently bought out by Macrovision to shut down it's decryptey goodness, DVD Decrypter is really a no-nonsense, no-fuss DVD ripper and burner. Want to rip a movie from a DVD so you can watch it later? One button. Want to rip it back to a DVD? Another button.
    That's a great DVD rip tool (unfortunately not updated anymore), but I think we should also mention the popular freeware tool DVD Shrink. DVD Shrink is also a ripper, but it's more commonly used to re-encode (at high quality) a DVD-9 rip to fit onto DVD-5 media. It also allows you to remove things you don't need (re-author) like alternate audio tracks, subtitles, DVD extras, menus, etc.

    If DVD Decrypter can no longer rip/decrypt DVDs (since it's not being updated anymore), the next highest-rated (by videohelp.com users) freeware ripper (that's still being updated) is DVDFab Decrypter.

    Two nice sites for information about video tools with guides:

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    1. Re:Companion too for DVD Decrypter: DVD Shrink by weg · · Score: 1

      Yeah, alas there's nothing like the DVD Decrypter/Shrink Combo for the Mac. I shelled out the 25 bucks for Popcorn, but this comes nowhere near to DVD Decrypter/Shrink :(

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    2. Re:Companion too for DVD Decrypter: DVD Shrink by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Mac The Ripper and DVD2one do this with no difficulty, and it's all one-click (or almost) operation.

    3. Re:Companion too for DVD Decrypter: DVD Shrink by docdude316 · · Score: 1

      You might also need to look into getting "vobblanker" if you're planning on doing a lot of ripping and re-authoring. Newer DVDs like Chicken Little and Madagascar have new copy protection schemes that you might need "vobblanker" to get rid of. check out http://www.afterdawn.com/software/video_software/d vd_tools/index6.cfm for a link. There are also a lot of other video/audio tools and guides on how to use them at after dawn.

  187. Bonzi Buddy by vzzzbx · · Score: 4, Funny

    Bonzi Buddy, CoolWebSearch, anything and everything from Gator/Claria. Best of all it's all free!

  188. Games and apps by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Eraser is a big must have.
    Newsbin Pro is great if you like pulling binaries out of newsgroups.
    Nero 7. If you are into digital videos and HDTV stuff, Nero Recode that comes with it will come in useful.
    Eudora. The only decent stand alone e-mail program out there.
    GIMP, although you can get that for pretty much any platform you want.
    OpenOffice, although once again, its available for other platforms
    E-sword
    Cachman XP
    CCleaner
    Advanced System Optimizer
    SoundForge
    SundayPlus, Easy Worship or MediaShout
    DVDShrink

    As far as games-
    Farcry
    Call of Duty 1 and 2
    Brothers In Arms
    Need 4 Speed, all of them
    Elite Force 1 and 2 (old, but still cool)
    Doom 3
    Quake 4
    Mahjong Towers II
    Bejewled 2

  189. Re:A real response to the question by Fanboy+Troy · · Score: 1

    The Windows XP powertoys WinAmp Media Player Classic Daemon Tools (Allows you to mount ISOs and other images, attempting to defeat copy protections as well) WinKey (Lets you launch applications from Windows Key + WinRAR Some sort of notepad replacement. I use Notepad++ personally. ffdshow (Decodes DivX, XVid and almost everything else you can think of. Not needed if you use MPC) Civilization IV :)

    Not trying to be a zealot here, but all this is available in linux:

    mount iso in linux with a simple mount command

    Shortcuts can be changed to use the windows key for any app. I'm not quiet sure what the functionality the GP is talking about (win key + winrar)

    Text editors are a dime a dozen in linux, some very powerful ones too..

    mplayer plays any file I throw at it without the need of downloading codecs, I've heard good words for VLC also, but haven't needed to try it out yet.

    and if you like having multiple desktops there is an XP powertoy to manage virtual desktops(up to four) it does the usual, apps open on one desktop do not show up in the others ( saves a LOT of screen realestate) also there is an option to preview all four desktops at once to see wich one the app you want is on ( havn't seen this on my linux boxes, anyone know if this is possible with kde?) and someone mentioned before the "open command window here" shell integration is a nice toy for changing permissions A.K.A "file attributes"

    Virtual desktop have been there since day 1 (if you want them to appear on all desktops, make the windows sticky), preview also, but I'm guessing the mac-like functionality you're talking about exists in xgl. Also you can config the file manager in KDE so it automatically has a terminal following your graphical browsing of folders, just click on the link box down right (if I remember correctly, because I use XFCE). What I haven't found in windows yet, is a utility that lets me shade my windows by using the scroll button on my mouse. Is there such a thing on windows? But Age of Empires II is the reason my windows partition boots up every few weeks! =)

    Again, not trying to be a zealot, just discussing! ;)

  190. Notepad replacement by wysiwia · · Score: 1

    What can Notepad-plus do better than wyoEditor (http://freshmeat.net/projects/wyoeditor/)?

    wyoEditor is also based on Scintilla but runs identically on Windows, Linux and MacOSX. Can you imagine editing in fullscreen mode and not knowing which system you have booted into? Well acutally you just have to look at the window frame but else you won't discover it. Besides does Notepad-plus also have a live class/function browser for C++?

    O. Wyss

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    1. Re:Notepad replacement by baadger · · Score: 1

      Personally i'm a fan of Notepad2 from Flo's Freeware. It's wonderfully simple notepad, with smart syntax highlighting. No tabs though...but come on do we have to tab everything!?

    2. Re:Notepad replacement by dslbrian · · Score: 1

      I've always thought Nedit was an awesome editor. Nearly 30 different language modes, and runs on every system I've ever used - HP-UX, Solaris, Linux, *BSD, OSX, WinXP... The advanced editing modes are unlike anything I've seen in other editors. You can drag-and-drop a rectangular block of comments or such anywhere you want (and optionally all the other text flows out of the way). I've used it for everything from Perl, to C++, to Verilog.

    3. Re:Notepad replacement by RockClimbingFool · · Score: 1

      Nedit's ability to cut and paste blocks of text is the greatest feature ever. I can't live without it and haven't found any other editor that does it as nice.

  191. The most useful program for windows... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    DEL *.*

    Works pretty well for me

  192. format c: by StarkRG · · Score: 1

    Works wonders...

  193. foobar2000 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    foobar2000 - best mp3 player anywhere.

    Unfortunately, it's only available for Windows, and although it is 'free as in beer' it's not 'free as in RMS'.

    It's one of those endlessly cutomizable pieces of software. It reminds me of the days before GNOME and KDE when any self-respecting unix geek would swear by some obscure window manager like vtwm.gamma and spend hours pimping it out. It was a pain, but it was also the only way to get a decent GUI back then.

    foobar2000 is the same way. It can take a while to set up, but you end up an mp3/ogg/whatever player that is actually halfway decent, without the annoyances and incapabilities of itunes, rhythmbox, winamp, windows media player, and workalikes. And you can always cheat by copying a friend's configuration rather than making your own.

  194. Hmm. by Sir+Unimaginative · · Score: 1
    Everyone else has pretty much covered everything else (though I'd recommend 7-Zip or IZArc for compression and no IM at all - leave that in Macland; you're safer), so I'm limiting my recommendations quite a bit, mostly to games.

    Galactic Civilizations II, Transcendence, and Future Pinball are all that come up off the top of my head at the moment. For the latter, you'll want to pick up tables at VP-Originals. A ton of other games can be found at places like Abandonia Reloaded.

    Also, Stardock offers the Object Desktop suite if you want to make Windows XP look less... XP-y.

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  195. Windows Software I've been happy with by gbobeck · · Score: 1

    I've been really happy with the windows versions of the following programs:

    -OpenOffice and MS Office. (Both are great suites and I use them BOTH)
    -SSH and Putty
    -Snort (Snort == IDS happiness for me)
    -Eclipse (Gotta program somewhere, and Visual Studio isn't viable for me)
    -BlueJ (Good on Windows for beginners Java programming
    -PyDev (Python plugin for Eclipse)
    -Python and Java (Duh!)
    -IIS (I **love** Apache and Postfix/Qmail... but IIS can be happy too)
    -Gaim (Good Schtuff)
    -Spark Messenger (The Windows version rocks for chatting on Jabber)
    -Firefox (Duh! IE and Opera are nice, but I prefer Firefox)
    -Winamp (It really whips the llama's ass)
    -Quicktime and iTunes (Super Schweet Software)
    -Photoshop and Gimp (I use both)
    -Norton Ghost (Bailed my ass out a few times!)
    -Solitare and Freecell (obvious!)

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  196. PORNO IN WMV by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Seriously, Windows can play more video clips than Macs. That plus games = stick with my dual boot.

    ACDSee is also really good for organising your "photo collection", though not free and I haven't tried the latest versions. Like GQView on steroids.

  197. Some small utilities by Habahaba · · Score: 1

    Most of you just listed all the virus and malware protection... why? That wasn't the point. (Besides, I've been running my photo/video station without any virus protection for 2 years now - no problems yet. My desktop that my kids also use has F-Secure and it hasn't seen anything bad during the same time. Where is the malware?)

    So here are some programs that I have installed and have not been mentioned or are too expensive.(I have left out programs that I know are available from Mac also)

    Web:
    * Opera (probably for Mac also, but it's the best - except for Gmail, which still doesn't work and has lot's of bugs on Opera)
    * Media Player - It does almost all I've ever needed (and shows videos full screen without paying like on QT), not DVD's though. For that something else.

    Connectivity:
    * Putty and WinSCP (of course SSH is available for Mac, but Putty beats everything)
    * Cygwin/X - which I only use for X (I hope somebody will make a small X-distribution of cygwin...)
    * If you need Unix-like stuff, check out MS Services for unix. It contains everything else, but Bash (which can be downloaded from somewhere) and X

    Utilities:
    * Allnetic Working Time Tracker (Old free version) - tracs the time spend on different projects
    * everything from www.sysinternals.com (if you like to tinker with stuff)

    For productivity:
    * TortoiseCVS - integrates CVS to Windows, just great!
    * TextPad - text editor that can do it all (color formatting to source, regexp on replace, no problems what so ever in opening 300Mb (or more) files). Nothing can touch in on linux, so I guess it'll best everything on mac.
    * ExamDiff Pro - the best diff program out there. Again, nothing on linux matches this.

    Games:
    * Google Earth - it's a great waist of time, so it must be a game.

  198. painless? how about the $$ by jdogalt · · Score: 1

    How painless can it be to fork over a couple hundred bucks to microsoft? Oh wait, I forgot how it works...

    -jdog

  199. SendTo by dargaud · · Score: 1

    I have my own list here, with emphasis on Cygwin, but the single most important tool is [Send To Clipboard As Name] which is a leftover from Win95 tweaks. Essential when doing lots of file manipulations but hard to find. It's an inf file and a dll.

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  200. Photoshop or derivatives. by Darth+Liberus · · Score: 1

    Ok, yes, it runs on Mac, but until you've run it on x86 hardware you've missed it. I'm not sure of its status on the new Intel Macs, but I'm sure the Windows version has a lot more debugging behind it ;) Beyond that, all of the "must have software" I have runs on Windows, Mac, and *nix... OpenOffice, Firefox, and Mozilla. Honestly, the only reason I still use Windows is because it has the best x86 support (drivers, software, etc.)... and I only use x86 because it's the fastest thing you can get these days, it's cheap, and with Cygwin and a spare Linux box I can pretend I have a REAL OS :) hth.

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  201. When Marketers Go Bad by LifesABeach · · Score: 1

    Your using a Mac and You JUST want to know what fun things you can buy?

    What? You couldn't get a real job telemarketing?

  202. *good* windows software??? by jalfreize · · Score: 1

    Age of Empires!!! The mac version doesn't allow me to play network games with windows machines, which is sad, really.
    Well, MSOffice of course, and Visual Studio for windows development :). I haven't found a good open-source MS Project alternative either.
    Apart from that, Mac software is invariably more innovative and better than equivalent alternatives on Windows.
    There are many websites out there that use ActiveX, and some that haven't been tested for compatiblity with Safari or Firefox/Mozilla/Netscape.

    These are the only reasons I would ever use windows, really.

  203. The best things are the mods by moultano · · Score: 1

    The two games I play most often at the moment are Natural Selection (awesome FPS/RTS hybrid for Half-Life 1) and Dystopia (think cyberpunk team fortress for Half-Life 2.) I paid for neither of them. Both were made by amateur teams and are the two most fun games I've played online. This is something that can't be done on a console. I was even impressed enough with Natural Selection that I put a hell of a lot of time into making a map for it. This is also not possible on a console.

    If you want to passively enjoy your games then consoles are fine, but half of the fun of games, I think, is building on them yourself and enjoying what others have built on them.

  204. Actually, its already built in by rtssmkn · · Score: 1

    however, applying it to the boot drive is somewhat non-trivial. Right click on your boot drive and select Format Disk... SCNR...

  205. OK here goes... by Onymous+Hero · · Score: 1

    First of all, if you have a windows xp licence (to be nice and legal ;) then torrent a copy of TinyXP. Its a customised version of XP which someone has put together which doesn't come with Internet Exploder or any of the usual windows junk that you would want to get rid of anyway, but does come with some very useful freeware software packages (many of which I hadn't even heard of previously)

    Torrent here: http://thepiratebay.org/details.php?id=3437080

    Ok, on to software, in no particular order:

    -Firefox, plus tabmix extension
    -Thunderbird (mail)
    -Putty (SSH client)
    -Notepad 2
    -Lavasoft Adaware SE
    -Hijackthis
    -AVAST antivirus or AVG antivirus (both are good in my experience)
    -K-Lite Codec pack: all the codecs you'll ever need including quicktime (home.hccnet.nl/h.edskes/mirror.htm)
    -eMule (p2p)
    -Trillian (multi IM client)
    -Gmail notifier (if applicable)
    -'Royale' XP theme (http://tinyurl.com/6vwkz)
    -7-Zip (handles most common archives and is fast, light, open)
    -Look 'n Stop firewall (not free but damn good)
    -Winamp
    -OpenOffice
    -K!TV (Tv viewing)
    -Paint.NET (replaces mspaint, free, open, powerful,)
    -DVDshrink (fit that pesky >4.5gb dvd vid onto a single layer dvd)
    -DVD decrypter (rip, decyrpt and burn dvds)

    Hope that helps. Maybe you'll even switch away from MAC OSX :P

    --Onymous Hero

    That should get you going....

  206. indeed, not VLC; try MPC by Phil+Urich · · Score: 1

    I'd say more along the lines of mplayerc; well, that's what I call it, I suppose it's actually Media Player Classic. Sometimes it feels like that's half the reason alone that I still boot into Windows so often; it's not like there aren't video players for Linux, it's just that none that I've ever tried work so well and elegantly.

    Especially if we pretend that the article/blog isn't a fake, someone that's likely to have been stuck with Quicktime for their computing history, upon discovering programs like mplayerc.exe . . . well, it's gotta be a bit of a "halleluiah!" moment. I'd place the UI and functionality way over VLC as well, and it certainly fits the "Windows only" criteria here.

    Speaking of video, Virtualdub (or better yet, Vdubmod) is quite the tool. Sure, Final Cut Pro may easily make things that look fancier, but VirtualDubMod is so excessively useful that I tend to use it for almost every bit of video editing I ever do. Some things are a bit harder, but nothing is really impossible and you get much finer and more precise control over it all. That's another program that I desperately wish had a Linux equivalent.

    (Sidenote: I'm sitting here crossing my fingers and hoping that some Linux zealot will correct me and point out some marvellous video app for Linux. No, I'm serious, I'd love to be able to do more in Linux but I'm ignorant of any real ways to escape from Windows for how I work and play with video. Audio isn't a problem as much; you have xmms and amaroK for play, and audacity for work (though I haven't used it nearly as much as SoundForge for Windows, so I'm being a bit optimistic here; justifiably so though, I'd suppose). But video alternatives? The bases just don't seem to be covered.)

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    1. Re:indeed, not VLC; try MPC by Fanboy+Troy · · Score: 1

      Not much of a video-editing geek myself, so I have not tried this. But avidemux is said to be somewhat a clone of VirtualDub. Hope this helps.

  207. Depends what your specialty is... by AtlanticCarbon · · Score: 1

    The advantage of a windows platform is that there is so much specialty software. For example, when I was a student I looked for flash card (study) software. I used a decent KDE software program, but I wanted more options and features. 99% of the world wouldn't care about a flash card program much less having fancy features on a flashcard program. But I wanted it and I found some Windows-only shareware that suited my needs. Depending on what your focus is, you can find specialized software for the Windows platform.

    Unless you're working with graphics/art (where a mac arguably rules) or running a server (where linux/*nix arguably rules), windows is going to have the most software options for your user-end specialty. Ultimately, that's why despite the problems with windows I still use it as my main desktop.

    Other than that, I would go to sourceforge.org and look at the top 100 projects. A lot of the best software for windows is open-source (not to mention available for other platforms).

  208. Re:Then how about Visual C++ ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    OMFG, are you talking about visual studio? I tried that hidious thing, and now I want to bash out someones brains. That's even worse than the classical reaction to most Microsoft software: wanting to crack someones skull.

  209. I'd add errorless CD ripper, DVD player, Avivo by MojoStan · · Score: 2, Informative
    That's a pretty good list. A few of you selections reminded me of some other useful related tools.
    Music: Foobar2000 0.8.3 (iTunes and dumbed down fb2k annoy me)
    Foobar2000 is a great powerful alternative to iTunes, but every new Windows user should know about Exact Audio Copy (EAC) for making errorless CD rips. The "jitter correction" in other rippers (like iTunes) is not enough!
    Video: Media Player Classic with ffdshow
    That reminded me of the important fact that Windows XP does not come with a DVD decoder by default. This is almost never a problem because DVD decoders are always bundled with retail DVD drives and PCs with DVD drives. However, Apple obviously doesn't bundle a Windows DVD decoder with their Intel Macs, so Boot Camp users need to purchase a DVD decoder (e.g. PowerDVD, WinDVD, PureVideo Decoder) or download a non-DirectShow DVD decoder/player like Media Player Classic or VLC.

    If you are using an iMac or MacBook Pro, then you might be interested in the Windows-only software that enables the ATI Radeon 1600's GPU-accelerated H.264 playback and video transcoding. For GPU-accelerated H.264, I think you need to purchase CyberLink's H.264 decoder. ATI's Avivo Video Converter is integrated into the latest Catalyst Control Center, which I'm not sure is included on Apple's Windows driver disc image.

    Does anybody know if GPU-accelerated H.264 playback and video transcoding is enabled on OS X yet?

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    1. Re:I'd add errorless CD ripper, DVD player, Avivo by MojoStan · · Score: 1

      Shit, I missed GP's inclusion of Exact Audio Copy (EAC). Mod me redundant.

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  210. If you do business planning by Budenny · · Score: 1

    You will want TreeAge and Crystal Ball. Both are Windows only.

    This is the usual problem. You can find the obvious stuff. Its the non-obvious stuff that is missing. There is, for instance, no boat design software.... But that's just an example. You're fine if all you want to do is office, mail and iLife, don't bother looking, there is going to be no real difference.

  211. The single best collection of Windows utils by lordchron · · Score: 1

    Sysinternals Freeware is a slick collection of utiltiy software for Windows from tools I use regularly like FileMon, TcpView and Process Explorer to more trivial tools like BGInfo capable of nothing more than stamping a configurable block of system info onto the desktop wallpaper on boot.

  212. The only windows app I have found truly useful... by Firewheels · · Score: 1

    BitTorrent and whatever CD-Burning app comes with the computer.

    For prepping whatever Linux boot cd that will eventually wipe the machine.

  213. CAD small variety by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    True Macs do lack a variety in CAD/CAM/CAE software. Although, Unigraphics has released Parasolid for Macs OSX and Linux which is promising. I find the same true in the Windows world where audio/video tools are deemphasized for that platform, even though there are a decent collection of audio/video software for Windows.

    I would like to see Autocad and Pro/E ports. Not just choosing from UGS Parasolid, Ashlar Vellum, Form-Z, Maya, Modo 3D, Lightwave, Maxxon, Z-Brush, Shade for Macs...the more choices for Mac OSX the better.

    At least for many engineers they have IBM C /C++/Fortran compliers (soon to be Intel compliers for Mac OSX), Matlab, Tecplot, AVS visualizer, IRIS Explorer, Mathematica, Maple, CEI Ensight , IDL are already available for Macs.

  214. Half Life 2 by corgi · · Score: 0

    Well worth the dirty feeling of installing XP on an iMac.

  215. It's called "foobar," not "bar none" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny
    Subject: iTunes!

    Best app on Windows, bar none.

    The name of the app is foobar, not "bar none." But I agree, foobar is the best music player app on Windows.
  216. First app... by JohnnyBigodes · · Score: 4, Funny

    First important app: "How to right-click!" :p :p :P

  217. Check out Pricelessware by Jugalator · · Score: 1

    Check out the Pricelessware 2006 winners; only the "best" (according to alt.comp.freeware) freeware software to be found here, in several categories.

    http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/2006/PL2006Catego ryIndex.php

    Over there, you should find tips about the usual stuff: Firefox, Opera, OpenOffice.org, and whatever the heck you intend to use Windows for. To answer your specific questions:

    Spreadsheet: OpenOffice.org unless you want to become a bit more poor with Office 2003 (that's a really good piece of software; probably a better MS product than Windows).

    Graphics: I'm assuming graphics 2D editor here. Adobe Photoshop is really the best IMO, and also exist for Mac. If you want something cheaper, you don't say how cheap, and I'm not so sure I want to recommend The Gimp as it complies to neither the Mac nor Windows UI guidelines. But you may wish to look it up anyway, I hear it's powerful for those who have figured out the UI puzzle to 100%.

    Anti-spam: Try Thunderbird with bayesian filters enabled, or any mail client of your choice with an antispam proxy like POPFile or K9.

    FTP client: FileZilla?

    Antivirus: NOD32, AntiVir, AVG, Avast? Of those all are free besides NOD32, but it's worth your money.

    Games: You don't state your game preferences. Check the PC top charts.

    Online enhancements (toolbars etc): I don't tend to use "toolbars". Umm... The just released Google Toolbar 2 for Firefox? No idea really, but at least they're reasonably trustworthy and at least tell that they may track your browsing habits if enabling certain features. :-p

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  218. Calendar Software by Black+Copter+Control · · Score: 1
    A cradle to cube Mac user looking for "unique, elegant" Windows software? Come on buddy. April fools day was ten days ago!

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  219. MyList by lateralus_1024 · · Score: 1

    VStudio.net 2005 (minus J# and VB.Net) & MONO & MONAD. - A Pain to configure, but you should be able to write C# for your Mac.

    SQL Server(or Express2005).

    Media Monkey 2.x - because you want nothing to do with WinMediaPlaya. MM syncs with iPods BTW.

    Google Desktop/Google Earth.

    ActiveSync4.1, for lack of a better tool.

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    1. Re:MyList by lateralus_1024 · · Score: 1

      Oh! and get familiar with System Restore.

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  220. Some Useful tools by ssand · · Score: 1

    I would recommend a couple including:
    1) Daemon tools - for mounting ISO's
    2) AVG Free Antivirus - a good free antivirus
    3)Winamp - a pretty good media player, although very similar to itunes
    4) Any DVD & Clone DVD - for copying DVD's
    5) Windows updates - not so much of a tool, but it will patch your system and protect you from some security threats

    To be honest though, there aren't many essential apps that are overly usefull that a mac currently has. Window's won't be much more usefull unless you have specific apps that you want or need that fit your interests.

    As a user who uses linux and windows, and has also had an ibook with OSX you aren't missing a ton. I use my windows box primarily for gaming and multimedia purposes (imagery, my camera, movies, music), and linux for coding / general net surfing.

  221. NASA Worldwind by jfeldt · · Score: 1

    NASA Worldwind. I think it is amazing and far superior to Google Earth. The only app keeping my fast machine running Windows.

  222. I can only imagine by DrugCheese · · Score: 1

    how redundant this is (as I haven't read any posts)

    But the most useful program for windows is format.com

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  223. This is what all my friends run by Smuffe · · Score: 2, Funny

    You'll probably also need these:

    Blaster (try Symantec)
    Lovesan (not really sure, it's an old app)
    Code Red (disable all firewalls and don't apply any pathces, you'll get it for free soon enough)
    Zotbot (not sure again).

    Then again, get some firewall and virusscanners, or maybe just an Instant restore program if you want to try them out but don't really need them (works for both viruses and firewalls :).

  224. Painlessly? Yeah, right! by RokcetScientist · · Score: 0

    "Now that I have a chance to painlessly dip into the Windows world [...]". Painlessly? ROTFLMAO!!!

  225. My list and my question by Dmitri_Yuriescu · · Score: 1

    Back when I was mostly a Windows user I put down this list of applications to remember to add to a fresh install. I believe they are all open source, free, cross platform etc. And excellent of course. It also links to similar lists. As for anti-virus, AVG is fine but so is Avast! Regarding the firewall Sygate's ruled but haven't they stopped giving it away for free? An alternative is ZoneAlarm. And don't use Windows without Ad-Aware. At the same time they worked for me as a kind of migration path. I could boot up Linux and use the same programs I was used to without much trouble. Now I use Linux almost exclusively. When Novell did the poll about which applications they should port to have more Windows users migrate, I was wondering about the strange results. Now I'm wondering what Windows needs to innovate for me to migrate back! I can't see it happening.

  226. Re:I have used a PC for 15 minutes, and it sucked by Ohreally_factor · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Besides, Macs have a BIOS, too.

    Au contraire. No recent macs use BIOS. And when they did, the overwhelming majority of Mac users had little need to even be aware of it, since . . . (wait for it) . . . . Macs just work.

    I switched from Windows 3.1 to Mac System 7 in the early 90s, and I've never looked back. I'm vaguegly aware of DLLs and the Registry, since I've heard so many complaints about them (at places like slashdot). The frustrating issues I had to contend with on Windows, such as IRQ conflicts, have been long since solved I assume, since I haven't heard any complaints about them in years.

    I've been able to avoid Windows since making the switch to Mac, although last fall a boss asked me to burn a CD of photos as he headed out the door. After noodling around his computer for awhile, opening the photos in various programs, it occurred to me that, just like on a Mac, a right click would bring up a contextual menu. So I right clicked on the folder of photos and was able to burn a CD. (Of course, if this had been a Mac, I would have been able to burn the CD from within iPhoto. I'm sure that this is also possible in some Windows apps, but I really didn't want to spend the time learning a Windows program that I'd never use again. Even spending the 15 minutes to figure out how to burn a CD was annoying.

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  227. Re:The only windows app I have found truly useful. by vpalexander · · Score: 1

    Sadly-happily, Windows was the predominant platform at the time I decided to code for a given environment. Luckily today, I can easily rescind that offer. I can even take my Delphi and go Kylix, although I'd rather restart in Python + time-critical native-OS dll's (or equiv - but c++ is too obvious to sidestep). Given the latent predominance of a somewhat-stable "off-the-shelf" (ISO download) free Unix install [Ubuntu], I expect the free OS base to expand...expand...expand. It will never be perfect, in constant flux / enhancement / firefighter mode, but it Is The Way. I capped the verb because I ain't lying. But the so-called "quality" of an OS + runnables derives directly from the amount of money feeding the machine. The machine is bigger than we may suppose - thousands of coders, intra-org standards, in-the-loop-top-feeders, end-product cohesion, and many years of non-individuated consistency. Not to mention a shitload of lawyers. And rule $1, the brains go where the money flows. Think of Microsoft as a Mongolian warlord, who has united a thousand tribes. Enough said. Now let's envision a .org rebuff which offers all that and more (the "more" part is easy). Simply stated, it takes time. Since I'm in it for the money, I'm not done with Winxx yet.

  228. Games mostly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There are many great games that have never run on another platform. Basically start with some top 10 lists (say back to 2000) and go from there. Some games before 2000 might not run on XP but you can often find great older games for a song.

    I could also recommend the usual "condom over your head" stuff: firefox, avg, zonealarm, ccleaner, spybot S&D, adaware, ghost if you can get it but I'm sure that's what 90% of the advice will be (reasonable since that's 90% of the "must have" software).

    Finally, there is niche software. One thing about Windows is that almost everything runs on it so if you've been despairing of ever finding a really good package for computer-assisted taxidermy, fret no longer because there's gotta be one for windows.

  229. good one by Tom · · Score: 1

    can finally experience some of the great innovation happening over on the Windows platform.

    Mod story up +1 Great Satire.

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  230. Windows Applications by richpulp · · Score: 1

    OpenOffice.org - Open Office 2.02 Word/Excel/Powerpoint Viewer (or you can use Office 2003 Standard Trial for 60 days and then run it in reduced functionality mode) I have access to Windows, Mac and Unix systems. I am happy with all of them, I use them for different tasks/projects. I agree that it would be great to specify what OS you would like instead of accepting the version provided by the OEM be it Linux/MacOSX or XP.

  231. Cygwin by Baloo+Ursidae · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Cygwin is nice. One of the first things I do on a Windows box (and about the only thing I ever use IE for) is go to start, run, and type iexplore "http://www.cygwin.com/setup.exe"/code to launch straight into the current setup program and get myself an xterm, a proper shell and openssh to make my workday considerably less painful. Any OSX fan that spends any time in a shell will probably miss the shell before long, Cygwin provides that in Windows. It's too bad cygwin doesn't ship a win32 KDE...not having my keybindings, having the Start and Menu keys working as advertised instead of doing something useful, lack of multiple desktops and just overall rigidness makes Explorer get in the way more than anything...

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    1. Re:Cygwin by the+eric+conspiracy · · Score: 1

      Cygwin is quite useful, but if you are coming from a Mac, which has Darwin as it's OS you already have everything that Cygwin offers, only a heck of a lot better integrated and with much nicer windowing support. If anything Cygwin is a reason NOT to use Windows.

      My experience has been that the main reasons to want a PC over a Mac is games and maybe some very specialized niche software. There really isn't anything else.

    2. Re:Cygwin by Zathrus · · Score: 1

      lack of multiple desktops

      I'm so tired of people saying this. Have you even bothered looking? If you have an ATI or Nvidia card then you have multiple desktop capability built into your video drivers. They're a damn sight faster than any software based virtual desktops.

      There's also software solutions, in case you're stuck with an archaic video card or a crappy Intel video card. My preferred one is VirtuaWin, but I've also used DeskWin. They're both OSS under the GPL.

      Yes, MS has a PowerToy that does it as well (but it sucks). And even if you have ATI/Nvidia cards you may want to take a look at VirtuaWin -- it's extremely configurable and has a bunch of plugins available.

  232. Can't think of any, but these are MUST: by Werrismys · · Score: 1

    cygwin, process explorer, tcpview, hijackthis, filemon, putty.

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  233. Essential editor by SpaghettiPattern · · Score: 0, Troll

    Hey guys, don't forget NOTEPAD.EXE, It's the default editor on Windows just like vi is on Unix. And it gets better every version of Windows. I believe the 32k byte limit is now definitively abandoned. (For me that's just frivolous as I strong believe no C program should exceed 8 screens.)

    Why are we hiding from the police, daddy?
    They use either vi or Emacs, son, and we use NOTEPAD.EXE.

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    1. Re:Essential editor by SpaghettiPattern · · Score: 0

      To the guy that modded me Troll: You probably never heard of the term editor war.
      My posting was referring humorously to this war, adding Notepad to it. An Overrated mod I would have understood slightly better.

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  234. Quick To-Do Pro, Total Commander, etc. by Alex_from_Oz · · Score: 1

    I recommend the following software:
    1) Quick To-Do Pro
    2) Total Commander
    3) MS One Note
    4) Mozilla Firefox

    I can't imagine my computer without these programs.

  235. Software for "First Time Windows users" by XchristX · · Score: 1

    Now that I have a chance to painlessly dip into the Windows world, what I'd like to ask you is, what Windows software amazes you?


    http://osswin.sourceforge.net/
    http://www.theopencd.org/
    http://osscd.sunsite.dk/
    http://www.winlibre.com/en/index.php



    Enjoy.

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  236. Okay:s here's my list by JollyFinn · · Score: 1

    Blood
    Duke Nukem 3D
    STARS!
    Sid Meyers Civilization 2
    M.A.X
    Alien Vs. Predator.

    Oh. And I haven't used windows for a while ;)

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  237. sea of pain by vengeful · · Score: 1

    "Now that I have a chance to painlessly dip into the Windows world"

    The Windows world is a sea of pain. You cannot "painlessly dip" into it.

  238. Games, games, games! by Toreo+asesino · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Mr Pauljoyce, firstly, it's probably not the best idea to ask /.ers which is their favourite windows apps - it's probably on par with asking a bunch of right-wing Christians what their favourite party drugs are.

    Anyway, and now to answer your question...Favourite apps for Windows have to be MS-Office for productivity, Visual Studio 2005 for development (yes, ok, I'm a Microsoft Certified Whore(tm) but I love it), but more than these....

    There's a tonne of games which will only run under Windows, and are not available on the consoles! Take WoW for instance; absolutely brilliant game, and PC only I believe. C&C Generals is another classic game. There's loads!
    Obviously, if you're not into your gaming, then I too would suggest you're not going to miss much by not using Windows.

    Hopefully, this is a little more constructive than the "use linux LOL!!1" posts I've seen by some. Each platform has got pro's and cons over the next; Windows, in my humble opinion is great for Games and development. Get involved, and welcome!

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  239. Clean Software by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It was published on slashdot ages ago,

    http://www.cleansoftware.org/

    it is similar to what you are trying to do.

  240. For dev's, on windows by Tei · · Score: 1

    * cygwin, to compile some *nix goddies on windows, like the mdbtools (so you can extract a access to SQL)
    * Foxit, a light pdf reader
    * wget for windows
    * autorun from sysinternals
    * process explorer from sysinternals
    * everything else that sysinternals provide, like tlist and tkill, to list and kill rogue tasks
    * Activeperl
    * Python
    * SciTE or some windows emacs build
    * Abiword
    * bc a command line calculator (or put /cygwin/root/bin in your path, etc, so you can run the gnu tools from a normal cmd.exe cli)
    * Apache + MySQL + PHP with XMPP or some "triad" alike lamp bundle
    * daemon tools ( something to mount /root/myiso.iso )
    * nc (netcat)
    * firefox (the ULTIMATE hacker tool)

    You will NOT install a firewall or antivirus app, because where low level apps, that create instability and hide malware. If you want to fight malware, analize your dawn memory task list with sysinternals tools!

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  241. Omnigraffle by Ohreally_factor · · Score: 1

    OmniGraffle came bundled with my last two Macs. It's really a terrific program.

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  242. My favorite Windows Only Apps (aside from games) by podperson · · Score: 1

    3D Studio Max
    Blitz3D (one day BlitzMax will supplant it)
    Ultimate Unwrap

    That's about all I can think of. 3D Studio Max is the kicker. It's by far the best tradeoff in ease-of-use versus power in the 3D tools space (which is why it's continuing to gain market share even against its big name rivals despite their having undercut its price). Ironically, its scripting language seems to be inspired in large part by HyperTalk and overall it has a very Mac-like interface.

  243. IT'S A TRAP! by Tim+Browse · · Score: 1

    We'll stand a better chance against those StarOffice Destroyers!

  244. Big suggestion by baadger · · Score: 1

    On Window's there is so much software out there for each and every task that even hardened geeks sometimes install crapware just to see if it's worthy.

    My advice is install Total Uninstall, an install monitor that scans your system both before and after and install and allows you to reverse ALL the changes. ...then experiment with all the software you like, use your judgement, go on it's fun.

    You might like to checkout websites like Pricelessware and similar pages (the top 4 are good) for freeware. Also remember alot of Linux favourites (like GIMP and Inkscape) are available for Windows.

  245. Outlook by jandersen · · Score: 1

    Outlook must be the most amazing load of crap I have ever seen.

  246. WinVi by klaasb · · Score: 1

    http://www.winvi.de/en/

    What is a computer without vi???

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  247. Media Player Classic! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you're at all into video you won't be able to do without the sweet goodness of Media Player Classic, VirtualDubMod and FFDShow! Oh, and of course AviSynth!!! They're going to rock your over candied GUI centric video world!

  248. Google Pack by pojo · · Score: 1

    Google has a bundle of Windows software called Google Pack that's a good place to start. For example it includes:

    * Firefox
    * Ad-Aware
    * Adobe Reader
    * Google Desktop

    and some other good stuff.

  249. Serious Excellent Apps For Win32 by mbowen · · Score: 1
    First of all, I don't know and I don't care whether or not these applications are available for OSX. I work with industrial strength databases with fat clients in environment where Macs never tread, enterprise apps. (Boo hiss, he makes real money!) I don't hate Macs, I just don't need em, and haven't missed them since my 7100 went belly up, though I will admit that Mac had the best nntp client ever. Wish I could remember the name.

    Let me also add this. The problem with switching OSs is that it takes a long time to distinguish good software from bad. I expect that if I went OSX and bought Claris Works, I'd be very disappointed and rightfully so. So I would very much respect anyone touring me through that foreign territory and pointing out the better stuff.

    UltraEdit32
    I regularly do global search & replace where there are something like half a million changes in two seconds. I can easily edit flat files that are over 1GB in size, and it has a built-in FTP client. Wouldn't leave home without it. Yes it's better than BBEdit.

    HashCalc
    Perfect little utility for MD5 SHA-1 et al.

    PasswordSafe
    Keeps hundreds of passwords, well.. safe. Originally written by Bruce Schneier.

    TrueCrypt
    Good stuff. Works as advertised, industry standard.

    ProcessExplorer
    A must have for complete control of daemons lurking in your system.

    TreeSize
    Ranks all the files on your disk volumes. Great for determining which files are hogging disk and where.

    and basically everything at OldVersion.com is good stuff.

    others: Picasa, Ethereal, Putty, SnagIt, Ghost, Thunderbird, VMWare, Pappocom Sudoku, Blowfish Advanced CS, Softprime ASO, Nero, Dreamweaver, WS_FTP, WinRAR, Hamachi. Everything else are games & google, and then fat client business apps & dev tools.

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  250. Only one for me... by dlelash · · Score: 1

    The only reason I'd pollute my Mac with Windows is to run FrameMaker 7+, for as long as my writing jobs continue to require it. (Very handy that I can run FM either in Classic or in BootCamp, only one of which would be available on any given Mac...)

  251. Must Have Windows Utilities by Ohreally_factor · · Score: 1

    Check out this Windows Utility Shootout on Division Two. These are the "must have" apps for increasing productivity and extending the functionality of Windows.

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  252. recommended software by veeoh · · Score: 1

    OK,

    Firefox & thunderbird
    Filezilla for FTP
    Putty for SSH
    (insert favorite IM client here, I use MSN messenger)
    TextPad 4.3 for a decent text editor.
    uTorrent, for downloading legal music obviously

    Thats normally what I get put on straight away

  253. "Windows software amazes me" by Kunt · · Score: 1

    Windows software amazes me? Let's see... No. There's not a single piece of software on the Windows platform that amazes me. I can't even imagine what that would be. I am a Mac OS X user, and all the software I need exists for that platform. I must admit, though, that I am intrigued by the developments on the Linux side, and I do use Linux as a server.

  254. Training diary by vilbel · · Score: 1

    I recently bought a Windows notebook, because I couldn't find any good sport diary software for Mac or Linux. In case of Windows I now use http://www.pc-sport.com/info.htm.

  255. Most useful for a windows newbie : by abhinavmodi · · Score: 1

    One of the most useful things about Windows is the ability to Run cmd.exe, and then type Format C:\ :) Then go ahead and install Ubuntu (Or your fave Linux Distro)

    1. Re:Most useful for a windows newbie : by Kunt · · Score: 1

      I agree, but you could just boot from the Ubuntu disk and just nuke the machine from orbit.

  256. simple:the2 things windows Can do that mac cannot: by plasmacutter · · Score: 1

    2 apps should be used with bootcamp:

    virtualdub - This is by far the most advanced encoding software for digital file formats used by computers. It can encode into nearly any codec installed into windows, and the filters available via the avisynth ancillary program provide superior ability to clean and process videos to it's proprietary counterparts on apple and windows, and to mencoder and other linux counterparts. decomb and advanced telecine options in particular are sorely missing from quicktime, and useful in making music videos from dvd's.

    games - yes.. windows has more games, and many game vendors are using d3d because they're cheap and just don't give a crap.

    there you have it.. the two reasons to boot into windows on a mac.

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  257. How oddly narrow-minded. by Onan · · Score: 1
    I can't speak to whether or not the article is astroturf, but I can confirm that it's perfectly reasonable for a skilled computer user to have no history with Windows.

    I've been using computers for a couple of decades now, going back to the Atari ST. A mixture of macs and linux on my desk since the atari days (in fact, often linux on macs, before osx).

    I've been a professional unix sysadmin for about the past dozen years. Primarily linux, with a smattering of solaris, irix, freebsd, and tru64. I've sysadminned for everything from 15-person pre-VC startups to Yahoo and Google.

    I've never used Windows. Why would I?

  258. Here's a bunch of Windows utilities by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  259. MS Money and Spider Solitaire by Apogaion · · Score: 1

    The only two Windows programs that I missed when I switched to the Mac were Microsoft Money 2002 and Windows Spider Solitaire. I wrote my own Spider Solitaire clone to teach myself Cocoa, but I'm still stuck using Virtual PC for Money. As soon as something comes along for the Mac that can meet my finance-tracking needs, I'll be free of Windows completely!

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  260. I missed one. by Vicsun · · Score: 0

    Opera.

    Safari is a decent browser, and Firefox is a horrible pile of trash on OSX (look at my karma go). OSX doesn't really have an awesome browser, while Windows does. Opera is a great, fantastic browser which I can't recommend enough. It's faster than pretty much any other browser I've tried, and little features such as built in RSS/Atom readers, note-taking, gestures, tabs, mail-client and so forth work better their corresponding extensions.
    It's Opera, Foobar and uTorrent I miss most on a Mac.

    1. Re:I missed one. by yurigoul · · Score: 3, Informative

      Since when did Opera stop making a Mac version of their browser?

      Just checked, it is still there. Clicked on the free download link at opera.com and the download of a nice mac disk image started.

    2. Re:I missed one. by Hewligan · · Score: 1

      Huh, that's odd. I could have sworn that I was reading this in Opera on Mac OS X right now.

      Gotta agree about the other two browsers, though.

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  261. Good news by RzUpAnmsCwrds · · Score: 2, Informative

    The good news is that you'll have no problems finding software for Windows. The bad news is that much of it is crap.

    Recommendations:
    - Cygwin (Bash, SSH, GCC, and other GNU/Linux tools)
    - WinSCP (SCP client)
    - PuTTY (excellent SSH client with tons of options)
    - EmEditor (free version is a great replacement for Notepad)
    - vi (if you like vi)
    - CCleaner (cleans up temp files, browser cache, etc. for tons of programs)
    - Spybot S&D (effective antispyware)
    - Mozilla Firefox or Opera (if you don't like IE; I keep all three for testing)
    - Mozilla Thunderbird (you are using IMAP, aren't you?)
    - Microsoft Office
    - PDFCreator (make PDFs by printing)
    - iTunes (if you have an iPod)
    - K-Lite Mega Codec Pack (every codec you'll need plus Media Player Classic, Quicktime and Real alternatives, and a lot more)
    - Daemon Tools (CD/DVD drive emulator with copy protection circumvention)
    - Ethereal (for network troubleshooting)
    - Nero (CD/DVD burning)
    - RMClock (lets you control PowerNow/Cool 'n Quiet/SpeedStep)
    - EVEREST Home Edition (excellent system information tool)
    - AVG Anti-Virus (Free Edition)
    - Adobe Reader 7.0
    - Windows Desktop Search (corporate edition - without the MSN crap)

    You might also want to install some Windows games - there are plenty to choose from.

    1. Re:Good news by value_added · · Score: 1

      Cygwin (Bash, SSH, GCC, and other GNU/Linux tools)

      Ok.

      WinSCP (SCP client)

      Why? If you have Cygwin installed, 'scp' is available.

      PuTTY (excellent SSH client with tons of options)

      You don't need a client. You already have one, and it has even more options. Or is 'ssh hostname' too much to type?

      EmEditor (free version is a great replacement for Notepad)

      Notepad is a toy, so I'm not sure why it's even mentioned. But if you're using Cygwin, why not vi? Or vim? Or gvim? Hell, even emacs is available.

      CCleaner (cleans up temp files, browser cache, etc. for tons of programs)

      So 'find' and/or 'cron' don't work? Or a simple shell script? Or Perl?

      Spybot S&D (effective antispyware)

      Point and clicky program for people who don't know what they're doing. Cygwin provides access to the registry, so you can parse out the relevant regkeys and clean out any crap that doesn't belong; an automated approach would require little more than a trivial script. For everything else, 'kill' in combination with 'find' and 'rm' work just fine.

      PDFCreator (make PDFs by printing)

      So all the programs in Cygwin's psutils package don't work?

      Nero (CD/DVD burning)

      Last I checked, 'cdrecord' compiles just fine under Cygwin.

      Windows Desktop Search (corporate edition - without the MSN crap)

      And 'find' or 'locate' don't work?

      I think the point I'm trying to make here is that most of your Windows-specific suggestions fall into the Goofy(TM) category. Don't feel bad, because most everyone else is repeating this stuff ad nauseum. Put another way, I'd wager my last dollar that most Mac users trying out Windows for the first time will discover that Windows apps are typically ugly, badly designed or their Mac counterpart is superior in every way. And none of them is forced to rely on Cygwin.

    2. Re:Good news by 0bject · · Score: 1

      >You don't need a client. You already have one, and it has even more options. Or is 'ssh hostname' too much to type?

      Frankly, putty is a lot more convient to use. If I want to (in one click) ssh to a host, customize display settings specific to that host, set up a bunch of tunnels, customize control keys specific to that host, and connect through a proxy...I can set all that up with a few clicks and very little typing. Then from then on one click and its all set. On an average workday I have 8-20 putty windows open to 5-10 hosts at any given time...its very easy to use.

      >Point and clicky program for people who don't know what they're doing.

      AKA, 99.9999% of the people out there. If I said "Cygwin provides access to the registry, so you can parse out the relevant regkeys and clean out any crap that doesn't belong; an automated approach would require little more than a trivial script." to my girlfriend she would stare at me blankly or mabey even get pissed off at me.

      >So all the programs in Cygwin's psutils package don't work?

      On windows this is not as convient. Sorry, but it is true.

      >Last I checked, 'cdrecord' compiles just fine under Cygwin.

      Last time I burned a DVD with cdrecord it did not play in my dvd player, and buring the exact same file with nero it did. And again nero is more convient.

      MY point is that going through cygwin will work in most cases, but on Windows its not allways the best choice for most users. Usually there is a simpler solution out there.
      Disclaimer:I use cygwyn, ssh, shell scripts, cron, and various other *nix utils on windows or linux everyday.

  262. Be serious people by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Seems no one is giving serious answers so i guess i will be the only one

    Freeware or open source software:
    01. Firefox, http://www.getfirefox.com/
    02. Winamp, http://www.winamp.com/
    03. Miranda, http://www.miranda-im.org/
    04. Media Player Classic, http://sourceforge.net/projects/guliverkli
    05. ffdshow, http://www.free-codecs.com/download/FFDShow.htm
    06. CDBurnerXp Pro, http://www.cdburnerxp.se/
    07. Daemon-tools, http://www.daemon-tools.cc/
    08. uTorrent, http://www.utorrent.com/
    09. XnView, http://perso.wanadoo.fr/pierre.g/xnview/enhome.htm l
    10. ExactAudioCopy, http://www.exactaudiocopy.de/
    11. Dev-C++, http://www.bloodshed.net/devcpp.html
    12. 7-zip, http://www.7-zip.org/
    13. Real Alternative, http://www.free-codecs.com/download/Real_Alternati ve.htm
    14. QuickTime Alternative, http://www.free-codecs.com/download/QuickTime_Alte rnative.htm
    15. Process Explorer, http://www.sysinternals.com/utilities/processexplo rer.html
    16. Uniform Server, http://www.uniformserver.com/
    17. nLite, http://www.nliteos.com/ (sp+hotfix+driver slipstreaming and ability to remove almost anything from the windows installation disc, including wmp, ie, drivers, services, etc, you can get your windows install disc down to 180MB with a 70MB RAM footprint after boot).

    Commercial/Shareware software.
    01. NOD32, http://www.nod32.com/ - simply the best antivirus software out there
    02. Cinema4D, http://www.maxoncomputer.com/ Great modelling/rendering program (also available for OS X)
    03. mIRC, http://www.mirc.com/ not the best irc client, but it has a tiny memory footprint/feature ratio
    04. Directory Opus, http://www.gpsoft.com.au/ replace Explorer with a far better file manager.
    05. UltraEdit, http://www.ultraedit.com/ great editor for many textbased formats
    06. Visual Studio, http://microsoft.com/
    07. Nero Burning ROM. http://www.ahead.de/ my burning program of choice

  263. Don't understand, engineering is cross platform by ishmaelflood · · Score: 1

    Most engineering software we use runs in both Windows AND Unix.

    Ideas/Hypermesh/Catia/all FEA solvers of interest/Matlab/ADAMS

    Most of that list started out as Unix progs, but the Windows ports tend to be faster and are just as stable, comparing my shiny new rather pathetic twin CPU HP w/s with my 3 year old Dell running W2K. Only problem is if you run out of RAM, the HP has 16 gigs.

    The only things that don't exist on both platforms, that I use a lot, are Excel and Mathcad. My ancient copy of Mathcad runs under WINE much to my amusement, and there is that weird crossover office thingo, so in theory I could run everything in Unix or Linux.

    1. Re:Don't understand, engineering is cross platform by mrchaotica · · Score: 1

      It may just be Civil Engineering, then, 'cause every piece of Civil Engineering software I've used -- AutoCAD, SolidEdge, GT STRUDL -- is Windows-only (at the moment, at least; if I have anything to say about it, GT STRUDL will be cross-platform again in the future).

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  264. Yes we do have to tab everything by hackwrench · · Score: 1

    Windows XP chokes at the number of windows I like to have open, so yes, though that would be cut somewhat if Explorer were tabbed.

    1. Re:Yes we do have to tab everything by soulhuntre · · Score: 1

      There are a number of tools to tab IE. Try Maxthon for a start.

      Of course, OSNews des[erate attempts at FUD notwithstanding the IE7 beta is stable, tabbed and outstanding.

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  265. First-time users need nothing by mwvdlee · · Score: 1

    I guess the question is intentionally meant to troll, probably trying to proof the point that Windows offers nothing that OS X doesn't.

    As everybody should know that a first-time user really doesn't need any Windows-specific software, nor does (s)he need any Mac-specific software or anything-specific software; they tend to need software that is readily available for any OS.

    A first-time user would suffice with the applications bundled with whatever OS you choose to install, be it new or 10 years old.

    Anybody wanting to use high-end software is likely to choose the OS based on the application (s)he wants to run, since the price of the application will probably make a larger difference than the hardware/OS combo.

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  266. Very interesting question by biglig2 · · Score: 1
    I'm looking at my machine right now and trying to work out what are the critical apps it runs. The results are interesting.

    First, the things that you can get anywhere:
    • VLC for playing media files
    • Firefox for browsing
    • XNView for image file handling
    • Azureus for torrents

    Then the stuff that also has versions on the Mac:
    • Office for office documents
    • iTunes for audio

    then the stuff that is Windows only, but there is certainly an equivelant or better package for Mac
    • Intervideo WinDVD for playing DVDs
    • Outlook (I'm assuming Entourage is good enough for people who need Exchange specific features, and Mail.app or Thunderbird is fine for the rest)
    • MSN Messenger
    • Sony P910 Sync software (iSync supports this handset, I assume it can do everything the offical software can)
    • McAfee Antivirus
    • Spybot S&D

    Then the stuff that is Windows only:
    • GTA III
    • Netsupport Manager which is a remote control application
    • Media eLinker which is the software for transferring files to/from my PVR

    Wow. I think I just talked myself into a Mac. My results show exactly what Windows does that Macs dont:
    • Games
    • Obscure pieces of software used in business
    • Support for obscure hardware

    So I'm not sure you're going to find a lot of cool apps.
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  267. Here's some by pdoubleya · · Score: 1

    Winzip
    EditPlus
    Teleport Pro
    jEdit
    SmartCVS
    JDiskReport
    FileZilla
    PDFFactory

    Patrick

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  268. EverNote by Decker-Mage · · Score: 1
    This is the first amazing program that I've seen for Windows in quite a while and I pretty much see everything whether it makes it to market or not. In most basic terms, think of it as a roll of continuous note-taking paper that you can pop-up at any time from your system tray. It is far, far more than that. It is really handy on lap-tops for students, and that is how they push it, but I've found it exceedingly useful here as well and I'm neither on a lap-top nor a student [sigh]. I've dumped using my notebooks, sticky-notes, Outlook notes, etc. either on the computer or in the physical world. If you are worried about losing your notes, well it even has a built-in automatic back-up feature in addition to a manual database back-up feature.

    Lastly, they have a freeware version that doesn't feel the least bit stripped down. I was blown away after I tried this program and that was in the first fifteen minutes. It is well worth a look.

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  269. Apps by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    OpenOffice/StarOffice
    Firefox

    -:)

  270. I have to chime in as well by JanneM · · Score: 1

    Let's take a realistic point of view. We have a computer user who seems to be well experienced. They even have a nicely designed blog online where you can write in your favourite Windows-only applications. Yet they claim that they have never been a windows user before (Making me wonder where they have been for the past 10+ years where windows has been the ubiquitous consumer & business software platform.)

    I haven't used Windows since Windows 95 (in 1995, when I briefly worked as a developer, writing some DB interface apps). When I say "use" I of course do not include the occasional use of an internet café or airport machine to get at my webmail or any other temporary, superficial encounter - they could have been OSX or Linux and the experience would have been all but identical.

    Windows have certainly been the premier consumer OS, and is the premier business platform. It is not, however, the only, or necessarily even the most common platform for technical and scientific computing. I have worked at three labs so far, and in only one of them did Windows have a real prescence beyond the administrative staff (and Linux was still the most common OS for development).

    So, I run Linux at work and at home while my gf uses a mac. I have no need for any deeper knowledge of the Windows platform. I've never shunned it - apparently it's supposed to have become a fairly nice development platform nowadays - but I don't have a need for it and neither am I very interested. And since I don't need it and don't really want it, I don't want to spend the money and time to set a machine up either.

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  271. Foobar2000 by seibu · · Score: 1

    Foobar2000 is the best media player on any platform and the one reason I keep WINE installed. Check it out.

  272. Notepad++ features by hackwrench · · Score: 1

    It has an installer and puts a open in Notepad in the right click menu for All filetypes. I find it slightly easier to open a file in a new tab in Notepad, but apparently impossible in notepad to open a file in an entirely new window. I like Notepad's collapsing better, and I just loaded a C file in wyoEditor and got a second pane labeled Class with one entry --homeposition whatever that means. Notepad++ also has a plugin system.

    1. Re:Notepad++ features by wysiwia · · Score: 1

      Maybe a little offtopic but ...

      ... in the right click menu for All filetypes.

      That's not possible cross-platform, so I just use the "SendTo" folder in Windows. I several times considered to implement this but without a useful mimetype implementation on Linux I haven't been in the mood.

      I find it slightly easier to open a file in a new tab in Notepad, but apparently impossible in notepad to open a file in an entirely new window.

      Do you refer to the feature that you can open a new file either in a tab or in a new window in wyoEditor? What is easier in Notepad?

      I like Notepad's collapsing better ...

      Could you describe why?

      ... loaded a C file in wyoEditor and got a second pane labeled Class with one entry --homeposition whatever that means.

      Ahhh, C is handled with the C++ lexer and adds the class browser pane even if no class is present (therefore "homeposition"). You can hide the class browser in the settings.

      O. Wyss

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    2. Re:Notepad++ features by hackwrench · · Score: 1

      so I just use the "SendTo" folder in Windows
      Is there an installer I missed for wyoEdit, because this is how such a feature would get set up. I also looked in preferences and it isn't there either.

      Where I said Notepad I meant Notepad++. I had been opennig documents in wyoEditor using File|Open which caused the file to open in a new window, which is different from Notepad++. Opening via Explorer, right clicking and choosing Open With... opens in the next tab, just as it would with Notepad++

      I like notepad++'s collapsion better because it shows the beginning and end of the collapsion in the non-collapsed state and is also similar to the way collapsing directories lists look.

      without a useful mimetype implementation on Linux

      One of several reasons I don't use Linux. (The biggest one being lack of transparent compression, though I suppose I could try to make the NTFS.SYS wrapper solution work for me.)

    3. Re:Notepad++ features by wysiwia · · Score: 1

      so I just use the "SendTo" folder in Windows
      Is there an installer I missed for wyoEdit, because this is how such a feature would get set up. I also looked in preferences and it isn't there either.

      The real solution would be if wyoEditor itself could check the file-/mimetype during startup and pop up a dialog asking for setting it correctly. This is only possible on Windows so far but since wyoEditor also acts as a sample for cross-platform solutions I don't want to implement anything for Windows only. So you either have to live with the "SendTo" hack or encurrage the wxWidgets core developers to finally implement this feature.

      Where I said Notepad I meant Notepad++. I had been opennig documents in wyoEditor using File|Open which caused the file to open in a new window, which is different from Notepad++. Opening via Explorer, right clicking and choosing Open With... opens in the next tab, just as it would with Notepad++

      Check the "Use tabbed pages" in the setting. If this is set, any new file should open in a tab and not in a window. If it doesn't file a bug report.

      I like notepad++'s collapsion better because it shows the beginning and end of the collapsion in the non-collapsed state and is also similar to the way collapsing directories lists look.

      Many other users prefer it otherwise.

      without a useful mimetype implementation on Linux
      One of several reasons I don't use Linux ...

      This is really an annoyance which keeps quite a few away from Linux. Unfortunately nobody understands this problem but me (http://wyodesktop.sf.net/mimetypes.html) but I don't have the time to do it myself.

      O. Wyss

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  273. None! by hcdejong · · Score: 1

    If I'm going to dual-boot Windows on my Mac, it's because I've got some very specific purpose for it. E.g. I used to have Virtual PC set up for a single application (electronic tax filing SW). Why on earth would I want to install 'cool stuff' in Windows?

    I do most of my work in OS X, so that's where my cool stuff goes. Windows is just a compromise I'm not planning to spend more time in than absolutely necessary.

  274. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 1

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  275. CAE/CAM and FEA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just trying to be informative...

    Comparing VersaCAD to ProE, Catia or such is like suggesting a graphics artist to use windows paint. I haven't looked at the other two, but CAD/CAE/CAM-software is actually quite hard to produce. The good ones don't exist for osX.

    I'we been drooling over a powerbook since they came out, but as a product development engineer with a masters in material mechanics i cannot work without windows (proE + Ansys works on linux but we use Catia...). I'd like to have a mac, simply because they are appealing in an industrial-design kind of sence.

    -KK.

  276. Re:I have used a PC for 15 minutes, and it sucked by 1u3hr · · Score: 5, Funny

    You almost carried that off. But your fatal mistake: just like on a Mac, a right click would bring up a contextual menu. A real Mac bigot would digress for a paragraph to explain why more than one mouse button was unnecessary and inelegant: "Oh, you mean option-click".

  277. Appz I use... by AnXa · · Score: 1

    Adobe Reader: http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/
    Sun Microsystems Java: http://www.java.com/en/
    Azureus: http://azureus.sourceforge.net/
    iTunes: http://www.apple.com/itunes
    Winamp: http://www.winamp.com/
    AudioScrobbler: http://www.last.fm/
    Mozilla Suite: http://www.mozilla.org/
    Opera: http://www.opera.com/
    GIMP: http://gimp-win.sourceforge.net/
    GAIM: http://gaim.sourceforge.net/

    I also suggest to get:
    B's Recorder gold: http://www.bhacorp.com/products/gold8/index.html
    Corel Painter IX: http://www.corel.com/
    Powerquest.. sorry Norton Partition Magic: http://www.symantec.com/home_homeoffice/products/s ystem_performance/pm80/index.html

    I'd like to write a small descriptions for each software but I have busy now so this is just fast reply. :)

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  278. A catastrophe for Apple in the making by amavida · · Score: 1

    I predict that these two things, changing to Intel CPU's & facilitating the running of Windows on Mac's, will prove to be a catastrophic mistake for Apple.

    Windows has a broader range of applications available & so as Mac users sample this new universe they will end up spending more & more time there.

    Eventualy the penny drops that they may as well use low cost commmodidty Wintel HW instead of expensive proprietary Apple HW to do the same thing...

    As an Apple Powermac owner I can attest that there are some great apps written only for Mac's but compared to the vast library of Windows apps... well... I can't see it as a fair contest.

    After 'upgrading' our very nice (& expensive) non PowerPC based Mac's to very nice (& expensive) PowerPC based Mac's not so long ago we are not interested in once again 'upgrading' our very nice (& expensive) PowerPC based Mac's to very nice (& expensive) Intel based Mac's to suit Apple.

    Instead we have simply given up & just switched to low cost commodity Wintel HW.

    I think over time, a lot of others will do this also.
    In our household the announcement that Apple had capitulated to Wintel mean't to us that a desktop OS had now been reduced to Monopoly$oft or OSS (primarily Linux).

  279. Real List: by crhylove · · Score: 1

    Ok, there are a LOT of posts here describing how mac is better than windows, but that wasn't the question, stop trolling/flaming/bs.

    Here's a list of what *I* like on windows, admittedly, most of it is open source and available for os x, but there ARE still more windows users out there, and more development, and essentially better software, on average. It's just a much bigger group to poll from.

    The Gimp
    Winamp (with milkdrop)
    Nero
    Firefox
    Thunderbird
    Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas
    Abiword
    Adobe Premiere
    Shareaza
    Gaim
    1964 (The Nintendo64 Emulator)
    Sibelius
    Nvu
    Filezilla
    Zsnes (Super Marios at HQ4X is GORGEOUS!)
    Audacity
    Spider Solitaire
    VLC
    BSPlayer
    K-lite codec pak
    real player alternative
    Ghostscript/write
    quicktime alternative
    wordpad
    calculator

    If you've missed any of these, please feel free to inspect them. Mind if I do a J?

    rhY

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  280. Must-have for Windows ? by polki · · Score: 0

    Battlefield 2, of course !

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  281. Here are some very useful apps by swordfish666 · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Easy to use/install
    Knoppix
    SLAX
    OpenSuSE

    First Time User Tips
    The first thing a Windows User should do is find a BootDisk and boot to a Command Prompt. (This the screen is all black and the mouse doesn't work.) You'll need to use that big piece of plastic that came with your computer called a "Key-Board". Type in word 'fdisk' , then hit the enter button and the follow the instructions to 'clean' your hard-drive. Doing this will clean up all of the extra files that computer doesn't need.
    OR
    Before you start the computer open the cd tray and place the OpenSuSE cd in it. Feel free to use any tools you can find to pry the cd try open. Close the tray and start the computer. Once the application starts it will guide you through Updating the Operating System (The Windows).
    Good Luck.

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  282. Re:I have used a PC for 15 minutes, and it sucked by Ohreally_factor · · Score: 2, Informative

    Uh, no. It's control-click for contextual menus.

    And I didn't think I needed to go into the whole "Apple supports multi-button mouse" thing. I thought that it was a given that I was thinking it, even if I didn't write it. It would have distracted from the purpose of the story, which was to annoy the one-button-mouse trolls. The story is true, by the way.

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  283. Software for Surveyors by Travy.b · · Score: 0

    Civilcad!!!!! I use Linux exclusively except for work - I am thus stuck on a dual boot system.

  284. Some good ones by 4D6963 · · Score: 1
    Mini vMac
      Basilisk II
      SheepShaver
      VMware
      Duke Nukem Forever

    No wait... seriously, if it weren't for games, I'm not sure but I think I would have switched to FreeBSD 6.0, and even upgraded my box to a Mac OS X capable box with an ATI card.

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  285. This subject seriously concerns me!!! by macaroo · · Score: 1

    Let me state that I have been in the computer maintenance business for 36 years since I was discharged from the USAF after working on aircraft for 4 years. Granted a lot of the digital machinery was huge compared to the typical desktop system of today. Since retiring a couple of years ago from a FT100 company, I am running my own one man business servicing mostly WinTel machines. I have had only 3 Apple calls and two of those were re-installations. I own 2 Macs currently and all my personal work is done using OSX. Windows pays the bills and puts food on my table. The couple of PCs I own only get turned on and booted when ever I feel the need to update my Anti-Spyware Utility CD I carry for system cleanups or software Utility evaluations. My first reaction when I read about BootCamp from Apple was that the pristine and super clean OS from Apple Computer Co. was going to be violated and contaminated with the very stuff that makes my maintenance business a success. I maybe more sensitive about the 80K versions of spyware, adware and all the slimeware that is currently trying to break into every computer on the InterNet, but I see, on a daily basis, what it can and does do to my customer base. Not a pretty sight I may add. I hate the thought that the Mac environment maybe polluted by Windows.

  286. essencial by Viriatus · · Score: 0

    Agnitum Outpost Firewall Nod32 Antivirus Firefox Thunderbird Snagit Microsoft Office k-lite codec pack with media player classic mIRC winrar emule azureus strongDC flashget DVD decrypter DVD shrink Daemon Tools Nero

  287. Not for my new hardware... by tenco · · Score: 0

    On my new hardware, linux kernels 2.6.15 - 2.6.16.* lock with an ata timeout error (sata_sil) when a bit more data is written to the disk (e.g. copying data over a network onto a sync mounted disk). So, for the first time in about 8 years (since 1998) i have to use windows at home. Linux on/with current hardware is still a PITA, so just keep your pseudo-elitist rant for yourself, ok?

  288. Automator? by slim · · Score: 1

    I see the OP puts Automator in their list of top ten OSX apps.

    Now, I like the idea of Automator. It sounds like its a GUI equivalent of UNIX pipes, and chaining UNIX commands with pipes is easy and useful.

    However, *every* time I've thought of a task that might be a candidate for automating with Automator, I've got a certain distance then hit a brick wall.

    "for each subdirectory in a directory, add the photos within to iPhoto, putting them in an album with a name based on the directory name" (this was before I gave up on iPhoto)

    I found that the automator tasks available just didn't have the flexibility; yeah, I could create a new album, but I couldn't name it based on things that happened further up the workflow.

    Even writing shell scripts or Applescript for inclusion in the workflow, I found I couldn't get the right information into them, nor pass it on to the next step.

    In the end, I started by trying to write the missing functionality as an Applescript, then realised that once you knew enough Applescript to do that, it was easier to just write an Applescript to do the whole thing.

  289. Or not. by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 1

    Develop to standards, test against Safari (which passes ACID 2), and let your users tell you when something's wrong. If something really is wrong, you can give them a Firefox link.

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  290. Winamp 5 by Tekninja_Hawk · · Score: 0
    www.winamp.com

    Winamp 5, it kicks the crap out of itunes in nearly every aspect, except having an online music store. its faster, skinnable, uses less memory, has a smaller desktop footprint, etc.

  291. Here's My List by ChronoFish · · Score: 1

    Firefox Thunderbird PHPEdit Tortise CVS It's what I use 90% of the time. Yeah I know that firefox/thunderbird are cross-platform, but the install of those apps are night-and-day between WinXP and Linux. Last night I tried installing Firefox on Redhat - it came up with all sorts of issues and since I was in no mood I let it go and stuck with what I had. It was not a download and go installation. On WinXP it simply click to install and at most a couple of clicks to accept defaults. I assume OSX is similar. What are the must have apps on OSX? The ones that don't exist for XP, or are night and day in their usability? -CF

  292. In other words... by PinkyDead · · Score: 2, Funny

    I work for the RIAA and I'm trying to patent someone elses method that uses Intelligent Design to prove that Linux sucks. What software should I install on my Windows PC to do this?

    Did I mention that I fully support the merging of the European Union and the United Nations as a division of ICANN?

    ~=@:O

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    Genesis 1:32 And God typed :wq!
  293. Astroturf by weierstrass · · Score: 0, Troll

    It's astroturf, dude.

    Slashdot user pauljoyce has uid 966868, which means he signed up in the last week or so.

    His profile is basically a plug for his services as a marketroid:

    Paul Joyce is Vice President, Creative Director at MC Direct, one of Canada's largest Direct Response agencies. With over 15 years of creative marketing experience Paul has worked for three of the country's major direct marketing agencies, writing and developing creative for Bell Mobility, RBC Royal Bank, General Motors, Ford, UPS, Schering Plough, Biovail, Scotiabank, BMO, 3M and Royal & Sun Alliance...

    He has never commented or submitted a question before this one. Unlike many 'askslashdotters', he hasn't bothered to reply or discuss anything with the people who have given him advice here. Paul, if you're reading this, perhaps you have a plausible explanation as to why a few days ago, you suddenly decided to join slashdot, and ask such a strange, loaded question about Windows software?

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    my password really is 'stinkypants'
    1. Re:Astroturf by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Thanks for the post. I also investigated this guy and found out his company has Microsoft as a client. From an advertising publication:
      MC Direct has served other nonprofit clients including the Smithsonian Institution Contributing Membership Program, National Museum of Women in the Arts, and the American Indian College Fund. The agency's business clients include Lucent Technologies, Microsoft, Bank of America and Intuit, among other Fortune 100 companies.
    2. Re:Astroturf by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      if anyone wants to give Paul any feedback over his use of the Slashdot frontpage for his 'direct marketing' techniques, he can be reached at paul.joyce@mc-direct.com

      i don't have any moral objections to people using ask slashdot to hawk thenselves, their products, and their clients products. but the least they can do is be honest about it.

  294. Windows Essentials.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    GriSoft (antivirus)

    ZoneAlarm (firewall)

    Ad-aware (anti spyware)

    Windows Defender(anti spyware)

    And don't forget windows solitaire!

  295. well google desktop by kadnan · · Score: 1

    Pretty cool application

  296. Elegant? Keep walkin' by ReadParse · · Score: 1, Troll

    Dude, you're coming FROM the elegant platform TO the popular platform. You're plugging a VHS tape into your betamax. You have found that the tuxedo vest is reversable and on the other side is potato sack. That doesn't mean that it's not useful at times to run Windows. There are some nice games that run only on Windows, but that's not because Windows is elegant -- it's because it's popular. The Microsoft Internet Explorer web browser experience is well supported but, again, only because it's popular.

    The Windows world will surely be a disappointment to the Mac users who venture to that side out of curiosity alone. There will be those who are familiar with the platform and need it to run natively from time to time, and for those people it will be useful -- but in some cases, not as useful as Virtual PC. The dual-booting Mac is most useful for those Windows users who have been wanting to try OS X (there's a lot more draw coming that way than going the other) but who need the security blanket of knowing it can also run Windows if they don't like OS X. This is what makes this story so interesting... it's Apple using Microsoft's own OS against them.

    RP

  297. Some quality freeware by AlgorithMan · · Score: 1

    Notepad, Paint, Minesweeper ;)

    alright, I've made a big collection of freeware once - I'll write down the most important:
    Mozilla Firefox (webbrowser)
    (also get the tabmix plus, adblocker and Search engine ordering plugins and some good search engines)
    Mozilla Thunderbird (mail client)
    Mozilla Nvu (web editor)
    Open Office
    Miranda (instant messenger)
    Skype (VoIP)
    Daemon Tools (virtual cd-drive)
    WinAmp (media player - can play videos, but is mostly used for music playback)
    BSplayer (video player)
    XVid (video codecs)
    Audiacity (audio editor)
    blender (3d-modelling and rendering software)
    VirtualDub (video editor)
    gimp (image editor)
    watcom (c++ compiler)
    dexpot (great virtual desktop manager)

    for security stuff:
    AdAware (malware remover)
    AVGfree (virus killer)
    HijackThis (makes a list of your running applications - on http://www.hijackthis.de/ you can get a good analysis of the logfile) ZoneAlarm, SoftPerfect or SecurePoint (Firewalls)

    you see - there is good freeware for any purpose.
    for dvd playback and cd/dvd burning I can only say xenorate and AVSDiscCreator, but I haven't tested them myself...

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    The MAFIAA is a bunch of mindless jerks who will be the first up against the wall when the revolution comes
  298. Funny you should mention... by Animaether · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ...these specific cases, as Shake was available on Windows NT - until Apple bought it, killed the Windows version, and drove the cost of the Linux version up. Pro/Logic? Same type of story.

    Embrace, extend, destroy - sound like another company we know?

    Not quite equating Apple with Microsoft here, but there's certain trais the companies share.

  299. The Proxomitron by Jesus_666 · · Score: 1

    http://www.proxomitron.info/

    Best. HTTP filter. Ever.
    Seriously, the Proxomitron is the single best Windows app in existance - and a really good reason to install Wine on a Linux box. You can modify both incoming and outgoing headers, replace annoying or broken parts of a webpage using regexp-like expressions... It's essentially Greasemonkey on steroids as a local proxy.

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    USE HOT GRITS WITH STATUE OF NATALIE PORTMAN (NAKED AND PETRIFIED)
  300. Re:I have used a PC for 15 minutes, and it sucked by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1
    No recent macs use BIOS.

    The grandparent said a BIOS, not the IBM PC BIOS. BIOS stands for Basic Input Output System. It is a ROM (or EEPROM) that is mapped into a fixed location in memory which is the default location of the program counter when the CPU is initialised (usually 0, although it may be re-mapped elsewhere later). In the Intel Macs, the BIOS is EFI (Extended Firmware Interface), which does a lot more than the original BIOS. In PowerPC Macs, it is OpenFirmware, which is an open specification for development of BIOS firmware used by Sun and IBM, among others. OpenFirmware is extendable in FORTH, and very flexible. There is a project to develop an OF implementation for generic x86 PCs called OpenBIOS.

    A Mac, just like any other computer, would not boot[1] without a BIOS, since it needs some code to handle the basic initialisation of the I/O systems to be able to read the boot sector from the disk and get into a real OS.

    [1] Booting is a contraction of the phrase 'picking itself up by its bootstraps.' This is an apt description of the functionality of a BIOS. A computer is not useful until it is running some code. It can not load code until it is running some code to tell it how to. The BIOS fulfils the rôle of the magic at the start.

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  301. Apps make the Operating System by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So what you really want to do is be able to run the thousands of applications available for Windows that will never be released for the Mac. My question is, then why use OS X in the first place? For some eye candy? This is just further evidence of how stupid Mac fanboys really are.


  302. If you don't play games, or need specific windows-only apps (autocad, etc) theres no reason to use windows.

    if you don't have a reason to use windows, don't, its just not worth it, try linux instead.

    just take that copy of windows xp back to the shop (you did buy it, right?) & get your money back.

    why on earth would you want to combine the stability of windows with the value for money of apple hardware?

  303. Sysinternals by cmason · · Score: 1

    The Sysinternals apps for monitoring and understanding windows (particularly Process Explorer) are always the first things I install on a windows machine. After finding these, windows feels less like a black box and more like, well, a bunch of smaller black boxes.

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    "If you are an idealist it doesn't matter what you do or what goes on around you, because it isn't real anyway."-R.P.W.
  304. Essential apps by Frozen+Void · · Score: 1
  305. Two Words: Windows Explorer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Windows Explorer. And no I kid you not.

    It's the number one reason I still use Windows as my primary desktop. The main reason being that I can use the keyboard to perform 95% of my tasks and (once you've configured it a little) the behaviour is always consistent whether you're on the left hand "folders" (or "search") pane or the right hand "files" pane.

    And the main reason I like it so much is its consistent behaviour. Selecting objects is always consistent, right mouse clicks behave consistently for each object type, F2 always renames the current object in situ (whether you're in the left hand "folders" pane or the right hand "files" pane), Ctrl & V always pastes into the current folder (even if you've got objects selected - and when the objects are pasted your selection isn;t changed for you either)

    It's simply the most usable file manager I've ever used. And yes I have used a multitude of such things on a multitude of platforms.

    I do all my file management in it and I launch all my programs using it. I've got a directory of shortcuts which opens in Explorer when I press Ctrl & Alt & S. I then press the key corresponding to the first letter of the program name until I select it then press return. Et Voila. After all, apart from Newbs and mouse potatoes, who needs desktop shortcuts, icons and menus ?

    Of all the things I've tried on *NIX the only thing that comes close is Konqueror which does come *very* close to being as pleasant to use (In fact I believe familiarity will amke it just as good). Nautilus on the other hand is utterly unusable. It's the single worst file manager I've ever used and has once again put me off desktop Linux for the forseeable future - I like the stock Ubuntu desktop but simply cannot abide Nautilus.

    But to get back on topic ;)~ some must have Windows apps (Google for more info, I'm too lazy to start linking them all) are:

    Notepad++
    CDEX
    VLC
    Media Player Clasic
    Real Alternative
    Mozilla Firefox
    Mozilla Thunderbird
    DVD Shrink
    DVD Decrypter
    Audacity
    Putty

    And you'll also notie that quite a few of these are cross platform.

    1. Re:Two Words: Windows Explorer by fitsy · · Score: 1

      I wish they would implement a shortcut key for creating a new file or folder! If you use the keyboard a lot, here is a which you might find useful.

    2. Re:Two Words: Windows Explorer by AlgorithMan · · Score: 1

      have you ever tried TotalCommander? I bet you haven't because then you wouldn't say this...

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      The MAFIAA is a bunch of mindless jerks who will be the first up against the wall when the revolution comes
  306. TiVo To Go by krswan · · Score: 1

    Yeah, I know TiVo has promised it for mac for months (years) but it is not here yet and will be the first thing I install on windows when I get my IntelMac. Other than games and a few little programming apps, I don't know what else I'll need. When (if) Tivo To Go comes out for mac, it will be just games....

  307. My dear whatson! by el_jake · · Score: 1

    I recall Dr. Whatson to be the most informative app.

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  308. and also ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    1. Re:and also ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  309. Most important app for windows by Karem+Lore · · Score: 1
    Task Manager using CTRL+ALT+DEL...Ends hung processes, run-away processes and diagnoses which applications use hug amounts of RAM (firefox, IE, Office etc.). Oh, and it is also good for shutdown when explorer (not IE) is taking 99% of your CPU.

    also Start->Run->CMD for a command prompt so you can use the shutdown command (and boot to another OS).

    Karem

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    When all is said and done, nothing changes...
  310. Firefox by chord.wav · · Score: 1

    Don't even think going out in the wild without it.

  311. Schizophrenia by SavvyPlayer · · Score: 1

    There are a number of reasons this is the wrong sort of question to ask.

    1. The desktop fills two mutually-exclusive roles: Productivity & Entertainment. When used as a productivity tool, you want all productivity tools within immediate reach -- you don't want 80% of your productivity tools available under one partition, with the other 20% available after a reboot. This goes for your music library as well if you like to listen to music while multitasking. As an entertainment tool, you might use your system to watch video, or play games -- both of which the typical user will do to the exclusion of productivity, so having to reboot to access 99% of one's productivity software is far less an inconvenience when this is the case. There is also the question of file access. I may be completely mistaken (as these things can change quickly), about this but last I chekced writing to an HFS partiiton from XP, or an NTFS partition from OSX are not vendor-supported activities, and you will spend time either configuring both OSes to enable this kind of file-access (possibly losing data in the process), or living in a world in which various files are only available to one OS or the other.

    2. The more time you spend on a given platform, the more that platform stands to benefit from your participation in its ecosystem. If MacOS is generally a better productivity experience, stick with it, and you will be doing more to evolve that platform than you would switching to another platform regularly for a handful of tools. If Windows is a better productivity experience, don't waste your time on OSX unless you have a good reason to sit through reboots on a regular basis.

    3. As a gaming platform, XP takes the cake. There are simply too many PC game-devs out there who don't take the time to learn OpenGL, and as a result the vast majority of games are difficult to properly port to non-DirectX native OSes. Your XP partition thus represents at a minimum a gaming partition. In a similar vein, maybe a video system if you can't find certain codecs for OSX. The question you should be asking yourself is: Should your XP partition be used for more than these minimum activities?

  312. Spider Solitaire by Rick.C · · Score: 1

    The rest of Windows is just support and compatability code to enable Solitaire to run on the many hardware configurations that exist.

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    You were 80% angel, 10% demon. The rest was hard to explain. - Over The Rhine
    "Math in a song is good."-Linford
  313. You must be new here... by DrWho520 · · Score: 1

    You have just experienced a sarcasm cramp. In this state, your ability to identify sarcasm and/or irony completely seize up and causes you to take sarcastic and/or ironic statements literally and to spasmatically react to them in an agressive manner. Sarcasm cramps can be brought on by a lack of sleep, lack of caffeine, extreme fanboyism or plain stupidity.

    Similarly to female menstral cramps, the female orgasm has been shown to provide a soothing affect, going so far as to release the cramp and allow the sufferer to return to a state of rational thinking. My suggestion? Go watch some pr0n.

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    The cancel button is your friend. Do not hesitate to use it.
  314. Independent games? by tepples · · Score: 1

    And I don't game on computers. Heck, I barely game on my XBox.

    So what do you do when you want to play a video game developed by hobbyists or a smaller firm? Or have you made an informed decision to boycott smaller developers?

  315. Sarcastic Re:Off the top of my head: by Amitz+Sekali · · Score: 1

    > AVG Anti-Virus
    >Hijack This
    >Spybot Search and Destroy
    >Adaware
    >Microsoft Anti-Spyware (aka Windows Defender)
    >SpywareBlaster
    >KeyloggerHunter
    >ClamAV
    >avast!

    >That should get ya started.

    hmm, am I the only one to think that parent post should be modded sarcastic or funny :-)

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    If you delay pleasure infinitely, the pleasure will be infinite. (YM)
  316. Here are sonme "priceless" apps. by Kilz · · Score: 1

    Here are a few "Priceless" Apps that all first time Windoz users "have" to have. Of course all long time Windows users know to stay the hell away from them. 1. Bonzi Buddy 2. Comet Cursor 3. Kazaa Make sure to not have any anti spyware programs installed to get the full effect. For those that don't realize this is a joke, don't even download these spyware infested pieces of crap.

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    I trust Microsoft as far as I could comfortably spit a dead rat
  317. painless? by njcajun · · Score: 1
    painlessly dip into the Windows world,

    Sorry. No such thing.

  318. Lacerte by jaypaulw · · Score: 2, Informative

    if you are a CPA for individuals who make less than 2mm per year this software is indispensable - you wont find an equivalent on any other platform.

  319. Flame war by orkomedix · · Score: 1

    How about hardware or tools or medicine one needs with MSWIN ?

    Something to smash the thing like a huge jackhammer, instead of fdisk a big electromagnet might be usefull...
    Medicine ? At least something against headache and something to calm down: Panic because of all the viruses around. (Can I still dare to go online ?) What is a "first time Windows user" anyway ?

  320. "what Windows software amazes you?" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    For the month of April It Would Have To Be:
    01 Apr Saturday: W97M/Twomag, W97M/Kolop, W97M/Ekiam, VBS/Alphae, VBS/Ztin, VBS/Zync, VBS/Aqui, W97M/Alamat, W97M/Change.A, X97M/Hopper.r, W97M/Jany.a, VBS/LoveLetter.bi, VBS/Bhong, W97M/Opey.C, VBS/Count, W97M/Tarap, W97M/Bibdot, W97M/Bablas.aj, W32/PetLil@MM, JS/Gigger.a@MM, W97M/Shore.p, WM/CEEFOUR.A, WM/CEEFOUR.B, WM/CVCK1.B;E, Tribute.A;B, Acid.A (intended), WM/Theatre.A, WM/BADBOY.A;B;C
    02 Apr Sunday: Flip, WM/Helper.C;D;E, WM/Alliance.A, VBS/Baracu.A@mm, W97M/Jany.a, W97M/Alamat, VBS/Aqui, W97M/Trugbar.a
    03 Apr Monday: W32/MyWife.d@MM!M24, VBS/Aqui, W97M/Alama...

  321. This is the good stuff by JJ+the+Moo · · Score: 0

    Winamp, VLC Player, MS Office, flashfxp, clonedvd,mirc, daemon tools, msn/icq/skype, Firefox, Nero, Ultraedit. If you need anti-spyware...(heh).. get spybot S&D/adaware/symantecs AV tool.

  322. Cool PC applications. by pleasegetreal · · Score: 1

    Nearly any application you choose will run faster and more reliably on a vanilla PC than a Mac. The only question is why would you cripple yourself from the outset?

  323. games by Vexorian · · Score: 1

    huh explosive topic. Anyways I was an XP user for 3 years and I have to say that the only thing that could amaze you are all the games that only work on windows cause the other apps are either on mac already (like photoshop) or have equivalents.

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    Copyright infringement is "piracy" in the same way DRM is "consumer rape"
  324. The topic is windows software by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The question is what uniquely good windows software this guy who posted the article should try, not what Mac software can kinda do the same thing. Major CAD packages are definitely in that category.

    It's also worth looking through the Adobe site - I was surprised to see that they have some Windows-only stuff, mostly from the Macromedia merger.

    -posted from a MacBook

  325. Re:I have used a PC for 15 minutes, and it sucked by Weedlekin · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You are confusing the BIOS with the boot loader. In IBM PCs and clones thereof, the BIOS and boot-loader are indeed in ROM, but that comes from the fact that the original IBM ROMs also contained a BASIC interpreter and routines to load and store data from audio casettes (these were carried on as far as the PS/2 line, even though they were completely obsolete by then). CP/M computers on the other hand had only a boot-loader in ROM, and loaded their BIOS as software (i.e. part of the operating system), as did most mainframes and minicomputers, many of which had no ROMs at all, but required their boot sequences to be entered manually via a panel of switches.

    So while BIOS == boot loader on IBM PC clones, this is not necessarily the case for computers in general.

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  326. Any game worth playing by TheSkepticalOptimist · · Score: 1

    Games are the #1 reason people keep PC's around. I wouldn't worry about setting Windows on a Mac just for sh*ts-n-giggles (it is a $150 - $200 investment ). But if you are a gamer, or want to get into games, then Windows is a must. The only problem then is that the Mac platform isn't future proof, and you won't be able to keep up with PC gaming on the Mac in a year or two.

    I think its still a gimmick, to run Windows on a Mac. Unless your developing web or applictions for both platforms, I can't honestly understand why someone needs both.

    Having said that, one Windows application you might want to try that really gives iPhoto a run for its money, and is free, is Google's Picasa. It is a slick photo management tool with far better photo correction features then iPhoto. It has a one button "I'm Feeling Lucky" button whicn 9 times out of 10 color corrects and balances the highlights and shadows in a photo very well. What I like about it is rather then consolidating all your photos into one location (thus duplicating pictures) it just manages where photos are on your system. It also features a backup feature which saves to CD/DVD and if you insert that DVD again, it automatically launches the recovery tool.

    I don't know, if your getting caught up in the hype of running a dual boot Mac, I think you will either stop using OSX in favour of Windows, or vice versa, but I doubt using both will weigh in heavily in the long run. It is one of those polar things where people either use one extensively over the other, or never consider the other an alternative.

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    I haven't thought of anything clever to put here, but then again most of you haven't either.
  327. Your Credulity Is A Bad Barometer by CheeseburgerBlue · · Score: 1

    Despite your incredulity, I can honestly say that I've sat in front of a Windows sytem maybe three or four times in my whole life, and never for more than 10 minutes (and in every case this was to try to help a Windows user whose computer was hopelessly kerfocked, who hoped against reason I could help them somehow).

    My industry is standardized on Mac. I use a Mac at home. People I do business with use Macs, except for their administrative keepers who use Windows but I never have contact with their computers.

    Why would I ever had had cause to use Windows?

    I've also never bought a North American car, despite their ubiquity. My head isn't in the sand -- I just prefer cars that don't suck.

  328. my list of great windows apps by pyota · · Score: 1

    - Nero Burning ROM - Miranda - all in one instant messaging - PasswordSafe - on sourceforge. indespensible - ConTEXT - open source programmers editor - SoulSeek - best p2p client for obscure choons - eMule - PuTTY - secure terminal emulation - WhereIsIt? for cataloging media - Winamp - CDex - nice ripper / encoder on sourceforge - FireFox, ThunderBird - RealVNC - nuff said - WarCraft III - let's face it, the real reason to use windows :)

  329. Here's a real reply for you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Looking through the replies, I see you got lots of smart comments but nothing useful. With AVG and the built-in Windows Firewall, you can keep a computer quite secure. Everyone claims to need a dozen anti-spyware programs and a few firewalls and malware removers, but if you keep your computer patched and use firefox, you don't seem to catch any of it.

    Maybe this list will help.

    www.winamp.com - Anyone who just wants to play some music will know the joy of Winamp. It's light, powerful, and very elegant. A friend of mine who just switched to Mac says that there's no replacement for Winamp on the Mac. iTunes is a pain to work with.

    www.trillian.cc - Good all around IM client, nicely built, good interface. Gaim is just a kludge in comparison.

    www.pbus-167.com - Notebook Hardware Control is a must have if you have a laptop. I don't think the Mac laptops are intel yet, but when they are...

    www.microsoft.com/streets - Microsoft Streets and Trips is a good, clean, pretty navigational software.

    www.adobe.com/products/audition - Cool Edit, or what's now Adobe Audition, is a great audio editing tool.

    www.inmatrix.com - Dump Windows Media Player and install what I consider the best video playing application out there.

    www.shareaza.com - Great P2P program.

  330. Windows apps for first-time users? by mrjacques · · Score: 1

    You gotta try BSOD. It's the greatest Win app ever. No need to download or buy it, either; it comes bundled free with every version of Windows.

  331. music-related windows applications by roedelius · · Score: 2, Informative

    P2P: Soulseek
    Real-time Audio Synthesis: Audiomulch
    Modular Synthesis: SynthEdit

  332. Based on the opinions of those who know by JoeCommodore · · Score: 3, Funny
    I'll base these on what other people send documents to us and say we *should* have these in order to do business.

    Internet Explorer - You just cant use the important parts of the internet without it (at least that's what many of the webmasters of sites that refuse to be more compatible say.

    Microsoft Outlook - So you can open all those winmail.dat files people send you.

    Microsoft Excel for Windows - Exspecially for those sheets with macros using active-x components, they insist thier stuff just would just suck without those gems.

    Microsoft Publisher - At work we regularly get .pub documents with the creators getting indignant when we say we can't open it. Of course depending on the sender, they expect you to have the version of publisher THEY have, not always particularly the latest version.

    Microsot Access - Here it is the panacea of all data needs, just about every agency with accidental techies have islads of productivityware using access (ignoring the fact there is no easy way to integrate all these these different islands)

    Webshots - just about every Windows workstation I see in or office runs Webshots, must be an essential utlity.

    The thing that makes smiley icons and patterned backgrounds in Outlook Second to webshots are the outlook emails with all the HTML and embedded gifs, which also advertise the utility that will turn your oulook browser into a similar productive environment.

    Turbo Tax, Tax Cut or Quicken Taxes - apparently we can't do our home taxes without them

    Besides more vertical market "canned applications" for accounting and such that's about it.

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    "Enjoy what you're doing! If it becomes drudgery, you're doing it wrong!" - Jim Butterfield
    1. Re:Based on the opinions of those who know by nsayer · · Score: 2, Funny
      Turbo Tax

      Uh... I just finished doing our taxes with the Mac version of Turbo Tax. Works great.

    2. Re:Based on the opinions of those who know by GnarlyNome · · Score: 1

      You forgot Gator

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    3. Re:Based on the opinions of those who know by JhohannaVH · · Score: 1

      Turbo Tax, Tax Cut or Quicken Taxes - apparently we can't do our home taxes without them

      Muwahahahah...

      Seriously, I think I'm still the only geek I know that does her taxes by hand. The long way. 1040. Oh and those blasted state taxes too.

      And sadly enough, yes, I do the math by hand too. When I double check with the damn calculator, I'm right 100% of the time. And I'm *so* not a mathemetician! :P

      So the question remains... what's WRONG with me? :P

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    4. Re:Based on the opinions of those who know by nsayer · · Score: 1

      Crazy mods. On what planet is that comment "Funny"?

  333. Here's a few. by amper · · Score: 2, Informative

    I onestly can't believe that after nearly seven hundred comments on this topic, there nothing rated 4 or above that actually addresses the question. Sure, there's lot's of snide comments about the inferiority of Windows, but that's a given. What's not a given is what the questioner was originally asking. So, here's a few of the applications that I personally find indispensible for what I do..and BTW, I'm a Mac guy, an OpenBSD guy, and a Linux guy, much more than I'm a Windows guy.

    1. Visio. The day Microsoft bought Visio, I was *so* pissed off, because I knew that there was then absolutely no chance that Visio would ever be released for Macs. Yes, there are some similar programs on the Mac side (OmniGraffle, ConceptDraw), but none of them can hold a candle to Visio Professional.

    2. Duncan Munro's PSU Designer II and Tone Stack Calculator. Two essential tools for designing electron tube amplifiers that just don't exist on the Mac. Yes, a competent EE could probably figure it out in some horrible version of EDA software on a Mac, but all the Mac EDA packages I've seen are awful. As soon as I free up another machine, I'll try to install gEDA to see if that's any better (Linux or Fink/Mac OS X).

    3. A whole host of software for my Amateur Radio hobby. Yes, there's some stuff out there for the Mac, but the majority of it runs on Windows. Another thing that pisses me off. This also holds true for a vast range of command and control products.

    4. Ross-Tech's VAG-COM software to replace Volkswagen's scan tools. Uwe simply has no interest in porting, not even to Windows CE. Automotive scan tools are another area where all the software I've ever seen runs pretty much only on Windows, with a very few on Palm or WinCE.

    5. TrueAudio's WinSpeakerz. This was originally a Mac program (MacSpeakerz), but development on the Windows side has far outstripped the Mac product. Great for designing loudspeaker systems. Most of the packages for this type of work are Windows-only.

    6. Games? I couldn't care less about games, so this is really a non-issue for me.

    7. VNC. VNC simply works a thousands times better on Windows (or Linux) than it does on the Mac. ...and that's just off the top of my head. I hope Apple sticks with Boot Camp, and Microsoft updates Virtual PC. I'll happily buy two versions of Windows so that I can have seamless integration of Windows with my Macintosh hardware (one for dual boot for extended usage, and one for virtualization for quicky things), but I have a feeling that Apple will eventually pull the project.

  334. A warning about 'windows software' by matt+me · · Score: 1

    Okay let's talk about 'Windows software'. That's software specifically developed for Windows rather than multiplatform software. So we're talking proprietary software rather GPL software that has been posted in Red Cross boxes from over the border. There are few exceptions (eMule) but Windows is a land of prop. software, and it's sillypocrisy to run all the OSS on Windows (OpenOffice, Gaim, Firefox, Thunderbird etc) to make it as Linux like as possible. Because then you shouldn't be using Windows.

    So.
    It's expensive. Very expensive (excluding software piracy, an ugly thing). For example, Adobe Photoshop costs £60 from Amazon. Isn't that ridiculous? Excluding my monitor, I scrounged the hardware in my system for less than that. But it comes on CD in a fancy box, you don't download it. Because of this you can get by with a slow or non-permenant net connection And a box is good. You'll never lose it. You can reinstall it on your new system or lend it to your friends . Note that older versions of software are much cheaper, so long as you can obtain then (for they soon go out of production). Quite often recent versions of software will suffice.

    Next it comes with megalomaniac installers and will quickly spam up your system if you don't do custom installs.

    (karma to burn)

  335. a list by bendawg · · Score: 1

    7-zip
    gaim
    google pack (if running Windows XP)
    firefox
    openoffice
    gimp
    blender
    nvu
    cygwin

  336. Foxit PDF Reader by Norailyain · · Score: 1


    Weird that nobody* seems to have noticed this wonderful app : Foxit PDF Reader .
    It loads PDF files way quicker than the feature-bloated Adobe Acrobat and is totally free. Actually it's ery close to MacOS X's Preview, imho.
    * I must admit that I haven't read *every* post in that thread, partly beacause of many unuseful flameguerilla messages ; nevertheless I learned a few about nice Windows software I didn't know ... thx guys !

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    "I may never prove what I know to be true, but I know that I'll still have to try" Dream Theater "The Spirit Carries on
  337. itunes for windows by MFINN23 · · Score: 1

    I have used it for mac and windows and the windows version is so much better and less restrictive IMHO.

  338. If you are doing your own thing by everphilski · · Score: 1

    It *is* possible if you are doing your own thing. **HOWEVER** if you are, for example, a scientist or an engineer in a niche community it may not be possible. For example one of the things I do pretty regulary is trajectory analysis. There exists no trajectory analysis software for OSX or Linux (except my own codes - which run under Linux and Windows). However the commercial offerings all are built for Windows and due to the limited community are not rebuilt for multiple platforms - there is no reason, with a target audience of a few hundred people and a price tag of $6,000-$20,000 a seat, why go through the trouble of rebuilding the binaries?

    So yes for those of you doing your own thing - developing new software, or just setting up office workers, living off the grid is very feasible. For people doing "real" work with software they can't control, in niche markets with few options (this is very real in engineering research) the options are limited and this isn't always a possibility.

  339. Solidworks by Mudd+Guy · · Score: 1
    My favorite piece of Windows-only software is Solidworks. It is by far the easiest-to-use solid modelling program out there, and yet it is very powerful.

    It is also quite expensive (several k$), so you are unlikely to use it unless your line of work involves mechanical design.

  340. Directory Opus by ubrkl · · Score: 1

    Directory Opus is a drop-in replacement for Windows Explorer. Has to be the single most valuable piece of software I use. Super configurable, fast, removes the need for a lot of other programs (zip, image viewers, ftp). Has features up the wazoo, too many to list here.

    1. Re:Directory Opus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I second this. Using Directory Opus will shave time off your everyday tasks.

  341. Soulseek by Paul+Slocum · · Score: 1

    Soulseek is the one program my Mac friends are jealous about. A P2P program that tends towards indie, electronic, and other more obscure music.

  342. sysinternals.com by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I would say process explorer and autoruns, from sysinternals.com, are must-have programs. Process explorer is an incredible upgrade to the windows task manager (which comes up with control-alt-delete) in that shows you everything that is running, and in a meaningful way. Autoruns, similarly, shows you everything that launches when you start the computer, and gives you an easy way to turn off things like the ipod helper, gratuitous video and sound control panels, and the like without editing the registry.

    In addition to the antivirus and antispyware software everyone will be recommending, I also recommend crapcleaner, specifically for its registry repair features, which I have yet to find duplicated in a non-commercial product.

  343. Optimism kills computers by towsonu2003 · · Score: 1
    Now that I have a chance to painlessly dip into the Windows world, bla bla bla
    I'll see your painless (read: numb) face after the 6th reboot during your first ever Windows Update...

    As per software, I would recommend Qemu.

  344. don't you mean by Ender+Ryan · · Score: 2, Funny
    I think you spelled "Vim" wrong. =P

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    Sticking feathers up your butt does not make you a chicken - Tyler Durden
  345. windows commercial software freeware equivalents by abkaiser · · Score: 1
    I have a list of freeware equivalents of Windows commercial software.

    Comprehensive? Not as much as I'd like. Subjective? Probably. But it still should help with the original question. And save ya money, too.

  346. My Choices.... by pedalman · · Score: 1

    Hmmm, Half Life 2, Doom 3....

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    Friends don't let friends line-dance.
  347. Favorite Software? by ThePopeLayton · · Score: 1

    LINUX!!!

  348. FTP :: FileZilla by TheGreatOrangePeel · · Score: 1

    I've done a lot of looking for an FTP client that lets me do everything I want and found it as an open source project called "FileZilla"

    http://filezilla.sourceforge.net/

    Also, check out the current and pas "project of the month" at sourceforge
    http://sourceforge.net/potm/

    and the most downloaded projects at sourceforge:
    http://sourceforge.net/top/topalltime.php?type=dow nloads

  349. So, somehow it's NOBLE to avoid.... by BarnabyWilde · · Score: 1

    ...running Windows?

    Yech. You bigots make me sick.

  350. not for slashdot by dobesov · · Score: 1

    This subject is more suitable for the levelheaded masses at digg.com

  351. Absolute Windows must-have: CYGWIN by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The subject line says it all, you must install the Cygwin stuff so you can begin to use a Windows box like a "Real Computer".

  352. How come nobody mentioned by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    winrar?

  353. ZtreeWin. Definitely. by Stormbringer · · Score: 1

    If you're new to Windows, you're used to an honest filesystem that isn't actively trying to hide things from you and take control away from you. Ztree for Windows gives you back some of that control and transparency.(Ob.Disclaimer: no connection other than having bought and used it.)

    Back in the DOS days, there was Xtree, XtreePro and then XtreeGold from Executive Systems. This was a character-mode file-manager/navigator-plus-toolbox. Symantec bought it and promptly took it off the market. Today, XtreeGold is memorialized at the Xtree Fan Page; go there to get a feel for the program. The original Xtree programs are now quite dated -- they can't handle FAT32, much less NTFS.

    ZtreeWin is a clean reimplementation of XtreePro (actually by now it's most of the way from XtreePro to XtreeGold in that development effort) for Win32. It's shareware (but, hey, it's for Windows, where, FLOSS aside, it's rare that you're not expected to pay for every little thing). In my time using it on Windows (I'm pretty much solely on Linux now), I got quite pleased with how much Windows didn't get in my way because I used it; I considered it indispensable.

  354. Pro apps by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's not really until you get into the professional sector that there's really a big rift in software. And at this level, you buy the software first, then worry about the computer that goes with it. A few that I use are Softimage XSI (can't possibly live without this, nothing else even comes close) and Sonar (about neck and neck with Logic for what I use it for, but ymmv).

  355. Sorta innovative software by Psykosys · · Score: 1
    I don't know about innovative, but here's some worthwhile Windows-only (AFAIK) software:

    • mIRC - the best IRC client, although this isn't necessarily saying much. The (unlicensed) Excursion variant of it adds some good features.
    • AutoGK - great free software for making DVD-rips in DivX or XviD.
    • Daemon Tools - CD/DVD-ROM emulator/image mounter with anti-DRM features.
    • Real Alternative/Media Player Classic - like many other suggestions here, this one corrects a problem with Windows, namely the super-heavy, overcomplicated new Windows Media Player. This one has a classic look and support for Real media files, thus also solving the problem of the even worse Realplayer.
    • Nero Burning ROM - like Toast only it doesn't make that stupid toaster sound.
    • The GodFather - audio file manager/tagger with support for retrieving tags and cover images from a number of online databases.
  356. Ignorance by brices21 · · Score: 1

    I usually remain just a casual browser of topics here, but I just could not help myself this time. I apologize in advance for my soapbox...

    NOT ALL WINDOWS USERS ARE DUMB!!!

    Why is it that all non-windows users assume that everyone running windows is just hosting rooted, spyware infested machines? You all need to re-think how you came to that conclusion, or better yet, who led you to that conclusion. While I have no problem with people wanting to promote whatever OS they prefer (I myself am running OSX, linux, and windows), it is just plain ignorant to think that everything else is somehow inferior. Come on people, I always thought the majority of the /. community were relatively intelligent.

    Let's face it, just about anyone reading this very article is not likely to be hosting a bot'd windows machine. The real culprit is ignorance. The only thing that then gives the AVERAGE mac or linux user an advantage is statistics. Meaning, more virii are written for windows as they hold the largest market share, by far. Most people, not anyone reading this, could care less about how their machine works so it isn't surprising when they don't bother running updates regularly, or going to suspicious sites and clicking on links they shouldn't be.

    So to bring this concept even further. If someone was asking me for advise about what kind of computer to buy (I get this alot, as I'm sure some of you do), etc, the first thing I do is evaluate what they will be using it for, and how interested I think they will be in the operation of said machine. If a person will just be surfing the web, sending email, and playing music/video, I then evaluate how often, and to what extent they will "play" with the machine. If they will be doing alot of playing, and I think they are really interested in learning to do more with a computer, I will recommend a windows machine. I will then follow that with the normal disclaimers regarding spyware, etc. Now if the user is just going to use it for the above 3 reasons, and cannot foresee using it for anything else, I will recommend a Mac. Please don't confuse what I'm saying... I don't mean I recommend Macs for the more ignorant people, I'm saying that I want to reduce the users risk as much as possible based on their requirements. Obviously if the user has other software requirements, which is usually the case, then they don't have a choice, they just get windows.

    I have a mac mini intel, and installed the boot camp last night to add more flexibility to the machine. This machine sits in my bedroom along side my tv, and is primarily used for surfing the web, email, and playing media. The only thing that I was missing was VPN. I couldn't get our SSL VPN to work on the mini. Now I still run OS X primary, but if I ever need to VPN to work for whatever reason, I can!

    It's all about being able to do whatever you need to do with your machine. Sometimes I wish I could live without windows, but for right now, it's just not in the cards...

    I love the fact that Apple has decided to release bootcamp.

  357. Re:I have used a PC for 15 minutes, and it sucked by elrous0 · · Score: 4, Funny
    No recent macs use BIOS.

    Of course not. Between the time you power up a Mac and the time the OS loads, the computer runs on magic !

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    SJW: Someone who has run out of real oppression, and has to fake it.
  358. not the best, but useful by buddyglass · · Score: 1

    There's a small set of apps that I usually install on any Windows machine I use. I don't consider all of them to be "great apps", but they fill gaps that are missing in a default XP install. Most of these are pretty well known, but here you go:

    1. Acrobat Reader
    2. WinZip
    3. Winamp
    4. Quicktime Player
    5. Gaim for Win32
    6. TeraTerm Pro + TTSSH
    7. Hijack This!
    8. UnixTools
  359. Games are Window's only saving grace by Feadog · · Score: 1

    The best thing about Windows is the wide selection of available games.

  360. Used to be Google Earth & Mind Manager... by aggiejy · · Score: 0

    Google Earth and MindManager used to be the things I liked on the PC that weren't on the Mac. But now they both are. Beside Visual Studio (if you program w/ .NET), I don't know that you're missing much. Games I guess is the biggest... Steam games, etc.

  361. You've never used the chance before... by dan_bethe · · Score: 1
    "Now that I have a chance..."

    I know that most cultures have a sweet spot for hyperbole, but I am dumbfounded at how people say such things. Macintosh has always been the most compatible and accessible platform. Any one Mac can access the most operating systems either natively or via emulation than any other machine I've ever heard of. We've always had exceptionally fast emulators and native virtual machines, and for most people, VirtualPC or Qemu are better than a 'real' one. Drag-and-drop desktop-to-desktop integration and undoable filesystems are a lot more than "nice to have" when trying to keep Windows alive.

    Well, good luck to ya in finally discovering your own world, Mr. Unfrozen Caveman I.T. Guy! ;-)

  362. my can't-do-without-apps list by SebNukem · · Score: 1

    "I want to build a list of unique, elegant, can't-do-without apps." There you go. That was an easy one:

    - Civilization IV
    - Battlefield 2
    - FarCry
    - Homeworld 2
    - Doom III (for the elegance)

  363. Re:I have used a PC for 15 minutes, and it sucked by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    • IRQ conflicts - pretty much fixed with the introduction of PCI
    • DLLs - also used in Mac OS. What do you think .dylib is?
  364. Media players by DRM_is_Stupid · · Score: 1

    I recall WinAmp didn't have as nice a support for multiple playlists. Although there were performance issues with iTunes, I'm not sure what the current states of WinAmp and iTunes are nowadays. However, I'd say WinAmp's Internet TV feature and WInAmp visualizations are worth checking out for new Windows users. I'm wondering if the Mac and Windows versions of iTunes could point to a Library folder located on a third shared FAT32 partition. I know both versions use non-esoteric file names and the same XML format, I just don't know if the non-human-readable binary file that accompanies the XML file is compatible.

    For videos, VLC is good, but also one might want to get Windows Media Player. If one needs to play (or stream, for that matter) DRM-ed WIndows Media, they pretty much have to use a Microsoft OS. Also, MPlayer and Media Player Classic with CCCP are worth installing. If some players don't play some files smoothly or at all, just use another player. That's pretty much how it goes. Macs have traditionally been week in supporting WM* files. Now with the switch to Intel, most of the media players don't work on the new Intel Macs. So if you want to play anything without Rosetta emulation, with the exception of a small percentage of media files that can play on QuickTime/iTunes, you'll have to install Windows.

    Of course, since probably over 600 comments have been made to this article, I'm sure my comment wil go unnoticed...

    Personal favorites: EditPlus2, LeechFTP (if you can still find the installer), Geoshell.

    1. Re:Media players by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      WinAmp phones home to AOL on every startup, sending unspecified information.

      iTunes will cripple your Windows PC and probably cannot be uninstalled, like Quicktime. Most Apple software is quite virus like on Windows.

      Symantec (Norton) is pure evil, you might as well forget it if you insist on installing this nasty trojan.

      Good stuff:
      ws_ftp95le, stardownloader, NSIS

    2. Re:Media players by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh, and windows does not need a firewall, antivirus or antispyware if you can manage to stay off the porn, warez and mp3 sites and refrain from using instant messenger applications. (MSN, ICQ)

      Anyone who thinks Windows needs these protections is either a porn hound or a thief.

      Clearly all these slashdotters are a bunch of perverts. ;)

    3. Re:Media players by DRM_is_Stupid · · Score: 1

      Yes, Microsoft made an insecure browser to bring punishment to perverts.

  365. what Windows software amazes you? by joeyblades · · Score: 1

    All Windows software amazes me... or rather, I'm amazed that we, as consumers, are willing to put up with it. I use Windows, Mac OS, and Solaris every day. I use Windows at work because I have to. I use Mac at home because I have a choice.

    The best Windows software? Obviously, that depends on what you do with computers. Here's my list (from an engineer's perspective):

        Remote Desktop Client
            Lets me drive my Windows PC at work from my Mac at home.

        UltraEdit
            This is a reasonably useful and powerful text editor. I don't
            use it anymore because I decided not to spend money on the
            upgrades when I'd rather be using emacs. I try not to edit
            software on my PC and Notepad works just fine for simple text
            documents. However, if you have to do programming in Windows,
            I highly recommend UltraEdit.

        ActivePerl
            When you absolutuely have to run perl in Windows.

        cygwin
            When you'd really rather be using unix.

        WinZip
            The Stuffit Deluxe of the Windows world.

        FireFox
            Because Internet Explorer is a non standard piece of...

        Internet Explorer (sadly)
            Because a lot of people do crazy stuff to overcome the
            limitations of IE and a lot of this crazy stuff breaks
            other browsers...

        TightVNC
            For connecting to other computers.

        iTunes
            I've not found anything better for playing mp3's and CDs
            on Windows. Everything else seems to suffer from latency
            issues when the load goes up. BTW, I hate iTunes; It breaks
            nearly every UI rule Apple wrote. However, if all you want
            to do is play music, it's adequate. If you like iTunes on
            Mac, you'll like it in Windows. It's the same.

        Microsoft Office
            I hate it, but I use it all the time. There's nothing better
            in terms of features and universality.

        Documents To Go
            If you've got a PalmOS device, this is a must-have. It lets
            you share many 'office' documents with your PDA.

  366. Ninnle! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think the new Ninnle for Windows would do everything that the questioner asks!

    Ninnle Linux: The choice of Linus himself!

  367. windows program can't do without by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think that Sony ACID is by far one of the best music creation programs out there. Since it was created years ago it has progressed far beyond garage band or anything on the mac... Most of my mac friends love it because garage band loops work in it.... The audio filters are all high end. Demo is free for 30 days... Sony VEGAS for editing is as good if not better than Final Cut PRo..(I use both) you can even edit mpeg2. You will need PrimoPDF to print to PDF. It's free.

  368. Re:A real response to the question by chmod+a+x+mojo · · Score: 1

    and if you like having multiple desktops there is an XP powertoy to manage virtual desktops(up to four) it does the usual, apps open on one desktop do not show up in the others ( saves a LOT of screen realestate) also there is an option to preview all four desktops at once to see wich one the app you want is on ( havn't seen this on my linux boxes, anyone know if this is possible with kde?) and someone mentioned before the "open command window here" shell integration is a nice toy for changing permissions A.K.A "file attributes" Virtual desktop have been there since day 1 (if you want them to appear on all desktops, make the windows sticky), preview also, but I'm guessing the mac-like functionality you're talking about exists in xgl. Also you can config the file manager in KDE so it automatically has a terminal following your graphical browsing of folders, just click on the link box down right (if I remember correctly, because I use XFCE).
    what i was talking about is a feature in the MS virtual desktop manager power toy, i can click a button and it goes full screen showing screenshots of all four desktops and the apps open on them. i haven't found a way to do this in kde or any other WM in linux yet, but it is a nice feature... i may have to send in a feature request to the kde devels.
    in kde 3.5.1 (and 3.4x) you can right click in MOST linux folders and select >actions>open terminal here, or just hit F4

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  369. Re:I have used a PC for 15 minutes, and it sucked by pclminion · · Score: 2

    It's more elegant to have to press two buttons on two different input devices simultaneously, to activate a single function? I love my Mac but you'll take my right mouse button over my dead body.

  370. Why no one mentions these apps..... by mesostructure · · Score: 1

    These are the apps I must install everytime when I reinstall Windows...

    ---shareware / commercial -----
    Forte Agent -- The best news reader in the world
    SnagIT -- The best screen capture software
    WinZip, WinRAR -- Archive handling
    Eudora -- Yes, I'm still using it for E-Mail
    UltraEdit -- Text Editor for all kinds
    Microsoft Street & Trip -- looking for location even off-line
    Microsoft Office including Visio -- can't find exact replacement
    SQL Navigator -- if you work with Oracle database, you know what is it
    NetOp Remote Control -- the FASTEST remote control software I can find
    Eclipse IDE -- can't be wrong if you write Java for fun or for living

    ---Free stuff-----
    Putty -- simplest SSH client
    BitComet -- the best BT client
    FileZilla -- the cheapest FTP/SFTP client
    Daemon Tools -- I haven't burn CD/DVD for long time
    FireFox -- IE sucks
    MS PowerToys -- Windows Tweaking
    Winamp -- lightweight mp3 player
    MSN Messenger -- All my friends use it, so I have no exception
    FoxIT PDF Reader -- Arcobat Reader is too heavy

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    Default your Oracle EBS with success !
  371. if you do any 3D modeling by DulcetTone · · Score: 1

    Rhino3D (NURBS modeling)

    I love this app, which is only available on Windows, as it is the most intuitive and powerful app with advanced capabilities, and is fairly priced.

    --
    tone
  372. boring by fufubag · · Score: 1

    Now that we've heard from every single fucking person who hasn't used windows since blah blah fucking blah..... I think South Park could have used Mac users in place of Hybrid car owners in the 'smug' episode. Sheesh. There is only one thing I have against Mac's: Listening to FANBOYS. Christ it's revolting. I'm sure there are multiple times more Windows FANBOYS out there and I guess they would be even more annoying, but fuck, give it a rest. WE KNOW, your OS is the BEST!!!!

  373. Oblivion by richmaine · · Score: 1

    (and other games). I'm serious. I've got several Macs at home... and a collection of Windows&Linux boxes, some dual boot. The newest of the Windows boxes is adequate for Oblivion, but marginally so. I'm darned tempted to get a new Intel iMac (in addition to the G5 iMac I already have) just because it looks like a decent piece of hardware to run Windows games on. In particular, I like the way that Apple too a fairly decent graphics card and underclocked it enough so that it can run fanless. The result obviously won't match to top-of-the-line cards, or even the fannned versions of the same basic card, but it appears to nicely beat most anythnig that you can get fannless off the shelf. The "off-the-shelf" part is important there; one of the nice things about the Mac is that the system integration work is done, and done well. I've built enough of my own boxes from components to appreciate that system integration is nontrivial. And I despise noisy fan with a passion.

    I basically have 2 things on my Windows boxes.

    1. Games.

    2. Quicken/TurboTax. There is a Mac version of Quicken, but it sucks. It sucks worse than using Windows, which is saying a lot. And there is nothing else that interfaces with my financial institutions as well as Quicken. There are rumors that the next Mac version of Quicken might be based on the Windows one and thus be half decent. We'll see. The current Mac Quicken shares almost nothing but the name with the Windows version; it is actually of unrelated vintage.

  374. Useful Apps for First-Time Windows Users? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    All that you really need to know is that Valve makes a great product called Half-Life 2 Game of the Year edition. It comes with some great games including Day of Defeat and Counterstrike:Source. Especially if you are running one of those pretty iMacs or the MacBookPro that will be sufficient. Otherwise don't download spybot (it's spyware in and of itself). Unfortunatly I have a copy of Windows Defender which surprisingly is the only quality product out of Microsoft to date (unless you speak of Halo or Age of Empires)

    Don't surf the web with your windows partbox either it's not worth it. You are better off just downloading the OSX version of Firefox or Camino and using them instead of Safari. I can see that Internet Explorer (don't get me down here guys I use primarily firefox on all computers Mac, Windows or Linux)would be a good thing for you as some apps and so forth, won't work in Safari and Firefox (sometimes not in OSX at all) so you have an advantage there. And IE 7 is shaping up. Somewhat.

    DVD shrink is another good program to use in Windows. Google for it and you will find it. Don't download Ad-Aware it's pretty useless and eats up resources. You don't need office if you already have a copy of it on OSX. If you use anything you can use Openoffice.org or other opensource variants of office utilities.

    Hell get The Elder Scrolls : Oblivion and just be done with it.

  375. How to make Windows look just like BSD... by derinax · · Score: 1

    My short list:

    Anything by VanDyke software. This stuff just bleeds "professional": http://www.vandyke.com/

    Now, how to turn Windows into a fully armed and operational battlestation:

    Download Microsoft Windows Services for UNIX, aka Interix:
    http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserversystem/sfu/d ownloads/default.asp

    Install using the NetBSD pkgsrc guide for Interix:
    http://www.netbsd.org/Documentation/pkgsrc/platfor ms.html#interix

    Now patch it (a necessary step):
    http://www.duh.org/interix/hotfixes.php

    Now, download and install the latest Interix bootstrap binaries from ftp://ftp.netbsd.org/pub/pkgsrc/packages/bootstrap -pkgsrc/

    Grab pkgsrc-current from ftp://ftp.netbsd.org/pub/pkgsrc/current

    Now go to town!

    (Just don't forget to ALT-ENTER your C Shell terminal, with green on black text, natch)

  376. Windows Reinstaller + Knoppix by billstewart · · Score: 1
    One of my neighbors just had her Windows machine get thoroughly wedged, to the extent of needing to use the Re-Install Windows utility that her PC manufacturer provides. She didn't trust it to be a non-destructive re-install, so I brought over a Knoppix disk and a USB disk drive, and we backed up her data safely. Fortunately the Windows reinstall went fairly safely - no user files got lost, though a few utilities, Start Menu items, etc., got trashed, Adobe got de-updated to Version 3.0, etc.

    This *was* Win98SE - it's worked pretty well for most of what she wants to do, and upgrading to XP would mean giving $100 to Bill Gates and $50-100 to memory chip vendors, and she hasn't felt motivated to do that as opposed to waiting until she gets a job and then buying a more current machine. But she and I don't expect that XP reinstalls would be that much cleaner.

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    Bill Stewart
    New Fast-Compression-only CPR http://preview.tinyurl.com/dy575ks
  377. Another 2 Cents by loyukfai · · Score: 1

    If the poster is really interested in switching the other way, here is the list that I will install for someone "not INTO computers":

    Firefox
    AVG Free
    Any anti-spyware utility
    Google Desktop Search
    Google Toobar for IE (or for Firefox, if you use it)
    Picasa
    Miranda
    Skype (only if you has someone to chat with...)
    OpenOffice (only if an office suite is REALLY needed...)
    Flash and Shockwave players
    Mega Codec Pack
    Adobe Reader (or Foxit if the box is old and slow, but he's talking about Boot Camp so it's irrelevant...)
    Alt-Tab Powertoy
    PDFCreator (okay, depends...)
    FilZip (7-Zip is better IMO functionality-wise, but FilZip's interface is simpler)
    Gmail account (I mean a shortcut on the Start Menu)

    BTW, these will be the things I uninstall:

    Outlook Express (I know you can't REALLY remove it without some hacks, but just remove the shortcut will do...)
    MSN Explorer
    Windows Messenger

  378. Re:A real response to the question by Fanboy+Troy · · Score: 1

    what i was talking about is a feature in the MS virtual desktop manager power toy, i can click a button and it goes full screen showing screenshots of all four desktops and the apps open on them. i haven't found a way to do this in kde or any other WM in linux yet, but it is a nice feature... i may have to send in a feature request to the kde devels.

    Something like kompose?

    If that's what you are looking for, it can be found here.

  379. Exact Audio Copy by JebusIsLord · · Score: 1

    EAC is the best CD-ripper out there, and it is only available on PC. It is the only "secure" ripper out there, to my knowledge (with the partial exception of Plextools, which only works on Plextor drives). Secure mode works by reading everything twice and compares the results. If the results do not match, it slows down the drive and re-reads each erroring sector 10 times.

    EAC can even compare the result to the online accuraterip database, to compare your results to others. Usually bit-perfect rips are possible (except with some new copy-protected discs, but at least EAC can read them!).

    --
    Jeremy
  380. Must have apps for Windows by renaldok33 · · Score: 1

    Without starting a war, I would say a good AV program (i like NOD32) Trojan/malware (Ewido works for me) and a clearner type program like CCLEANER (darn cookies :)

  381. The ONLY useful innovative apps? by SSCGWLB · · Score: 1

    Please, on a daily basis I use (incomplete list):

    MS Visual Studio 2005
    Enterprise Architect
    MS Visio
    MS Word
    XMLSpy


    I am sure one or more of these is available on Mac, but why would I want a mac? Talk about a lesser OS. Expensive hardware, limited upgradeability, unix 'like'. Every single machine I use, home or work, dual boots into XP and 1+ linux distros (usually Redhat AS 4 and/or Gentoo). If I need a CLI, I have cygwin or a linux box next to my windows box! If I want to use any one of the number of tools/games exclusive to Windows, I have it.

    ~nate

    1. Re:The ONLY useful innovative apps? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Talk about a lesser OS.
      OK. Let's talk about Windows.
  382. Re:I have used a PC for 15 minutes, and it sucked by NutscrapeSucks · · Score: 1

    Au contraire. No recent macs use BIOS.

    Actually, Apple pushed out a firmware upgrade, and now all Intel Macs have a PC-Compatible BIOS CSM. How would it boot Windows otherwise?

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    Whenever I hear the word 'Innovation', I reach for my pistol.
  383. Homie does right-click... by MsGeek · · Score: 2, Informative

    Mac OS X has been able to use the right mouse button since the beginning. Mac OS 9 and below sees both buttons of a two button mouse as the uni-button. This was useful for the times that a button would stop functioning on a mouse. Not so useful when you wanted to do contextual menu stuff. But how long has it been since Mac OS X started being useful and you stopped booting into Mac OS 9? At least since Jagwire.

    Yeah, the trackpad on a Mac laptop only has a single button. Boo hoo hoo. You just whip out Mr. 2-button mouse/trackball and you are good to go. The Logitech Marble Mouse has been my standby for years and years and years, since they were beige instead of that smoky grey metallic color.

    Next Windows whine...I've got a nice wheel of Gouda here that will enhance that vintage whine of yours.

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    Knowledge is power. Knowledge shared is power multiplied.
    1. Re:Homie does right-click... by pclminion · · Score: 1
      Next Windows whine...I've got a nice wheel of Gouda here that will enhance that vintage whine of yours.

      Eh? I wasn't whining. I have a three-button mouse and happily use the buttons in OS X. I was commenting on the oddness of referring to option-click as "elegant."

    2. Re:Homie does right-click... by 1u3hr · · Score: 1
      Mac OS 9 and below sees both buttons of a two button mouse as the uni-button.

      Actually, in OS8.6 I used a 2 button USB mouse with USB Overdrive software which lets you set the right button to be context menu (control-click).

  384. guys! less talking, more suggesting! by HelloKitty · · Score: 1


    wow guys, less talking, more suggesting apps:

    audio apps:
      - flstudio
      - reason
      - nuendo
      - sonar
      - ableton
      - plogue bidule
      - buzz
      - renoise
      - reaktor
      - and the plethora of VST synths available (waldorf attack, izotope trash, quad frohmage, guitarrig, moog modular, minimoog, absynth3, etc...)

  385. Re:A real response to the question by chmod+a+x+mojo · · Score: 1

    yes, something like that :-) thanks for pointing this app out. i am going to try it out.

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    To err is human; effective mayhem requires the root password!
  386. It's just for games and obscure apps by GWBasic · · Score: 1

    As a windows user, I'd say that the must-have applications have good Mac versions. What really keeps me on windows are the little nitch applications that will never get ported to Mac.

  387. Maybe your Windows. by Inoshiro · · Score: 1

    Not my Windows. Windows 2000 does not have any archiving tools, nor does it have remote desktop support out of the box. That's why you need WinRAR and TightVNC. The Windows XP and up GUI terminal client doesn't seem as flexible as TightVNC, although I have used it.

    Windows 2000 is the Windows I use for those games that don't work (yet) in Cedega. I use it with Daemon tools. It works great with all my Blizzard games (although these are well behaved in Cedega), and also work with other games like Alpha Centauri, Civ 3, SimCity 4, etc. I can use the same network share of ISOs for Linux loop back and Windows daemon tools loopback. I've never bought any game with asshole copyprotection, although the intentional corrupted sectors on Civ3's install disc meant that I'm not buying an Atari title again.

    I look forward to putting Galactic Civ 2 into my share once I order the game online.

    You mention a lot of things in WinXP+ that I simply don't use, because those newer versions of Windows have that activation bullshit attached to them. I get them for "free" because I'm an upper-year CS student, but it's not worth the hassle.

    As for IE: any program that isn't dangerous if you use it "for only a few websites" is a program too dangerous to run on machines with access to my network. FireFox tends to get security updates with a day of there being an issue, and it's rarely used for browsing on the Windows machine anyway -- Unix exploits are much rarer than any other kind, giving me further protection :)

    I'm not sure why you don't like iTunes. Although replication of playlists/data is not so good (because my Powerbook goes with me, it's not always around the network, but I would like the network to have a duplicate of that data), it is a great ripper, playlist organizer, and also handles streaming well (either from other iTunes sources, or to my Airport Express). I can also copy music from other people when they bring their shared iTunes to the same subnet. I don't think WMP has that support.

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    Internet Explorer (n): Another bug -- that is, a feature that can't be turned off -- in Windows.
    1. Re:Maybe your Windows. by Osty · · Score: 1

      Not my Windows. Windows 2000 does not have any archiving tools, nor does it have remote desktop support out of the box. That's why you need WinRAR and TightVNC. The Windows XP and up GUI terminal client doesn't seem as flexible as TightVNC, although I have used it.

      It's been nearly five years sice I used Windows 2000, so as I mentioned I could be wrong about it including Zip Folder support. However, Terminal Server is in Windows 2000 (yes, even in Pro), though you may have to dig a little bit to turn it on. That you didn't know that is understandable, but to claim that it doesn't have it at all because you didn't know that is not right.

      You mention a lot of things in WinXP+ that I simply don't use, because those newer versions of Windows have that activation bullshit attached to them. I get them for "free" because I'm an upper-year CS student, but it's not worth the hassle.

      If you're getting a site licensed version of XP, there is no activation. So what are you complaining about?

      As for IE: any program that isn't dangerous if you use it "for only a few websites" is a program too dangerous to run on machines with access to my network. FireFox tends to get security updates with a day of there being an issue, and it's rarely used for browsing on the Windows machine anyway -- Unix exploits are much rarer than any other kind, giving me further protection :)

      I didn't say IE was safe "for only a few websites". I said it's safe if you are "a little careful in your browsing". Stay away from pr0n and w4r3z sites, don't go following obvious phishing links, etc, and you'll be fine. Also, I'd just like to point out that it's a little hypocritical of you to claim you use Firefox because of security updates but then continue using Windows 2000 which is just about dead (2005 was the end of its active support life, with 5 more years of passive support meaning only the most critical of critical issues will get patched). You can't have your cake and eat it to. Complaining about IE because you're still using Win2K is like bitching about Firefox 0.8 running on Redhat 6.0. Upgrade to XP SP2, and make sure you patch IE up to 6.0 sp2 or 7.0 Beta 2. Then feel free to continue to bitch, but at least you'll be able to support your position better.

      I'm not sure why you don't like iTunes. Although replication of playlists/data is not so good (because my Powerbook goes with me, it's not always around the network, but I would like the network to have a duplicate of that data), it is a great ripper, playlist organizer, and also handles streaming well (either from other iTunes sources, or to my Airport Express). I can also copy music from other people when they bring their shared iTunes to the same subnet. I don't think WMP has that support.

      My problem with iTunes is that Apple doesn't know the first thing about writing Windows applications. For this argument, let's set aside the fact that buying an iPod ties you to iTunes, or that QuickTime is a huge piece of crap (that also suffers from some of the same iTunes problems I'll get into), or the fact that if you just want QT without iTunes Apple makes you have to really dig for it on their web site. So, ignoring all that, my problem with iTunes is that Apple doesn't respect Windows UI guidelines at all. When Microsoft writes apps for OS X (MSN Messenger aside), they follow all of Apple's guidelines. Why, then, won't Apple follow Microsoft's? Instead, we get this ugly brushed metal thing that looks completely out of place. We get unintuitive ctrl-click and shift-click semantics that don't make sense on a Windows machine. We get comlpetely re-implemented common controls (like a ListView) that have accessibility problems. Some of this would be forgiveable if iTunes was fast, but it's not.

      Yes, WMP and Winamp also have skinned interfaces, but they're

  388. Re:A real response to the question by Fanboy+Troy · · Score: 1

    No Problem. Glad it was helpful! =)

  389. Mod parent down by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've spotted a pattern, in fact. If a game uses the brain, it's better played with a mouse.

    Troll, flamebait....

  390. This not really a question... by umedia · · Score: 1
    It is a veiled challenge which recieved the the desired results.

    What do you want your computer to do, expect it to do? Fun, porn, build a business, record music, draft a manifesto, stalk people? Only with such answers could software be suggested.

    What can you do with Windows that you can't with a Mac? What can you do with Linux that you can't with Windows? What can you do with a Mac...?

    What can you do?

    --
    "Humans are considered to be primitive, the third smartest species on Earth"
  391. Visual Studio by SloppyElvis · · Score: 1

    ...so you can write some must-have programs for the hordes of Windows users.

    Seriously though, "must-have" is relative to "must-do". If you've never needed Windows before to do something, there can be no must-have apps.

  392. We have a winner! by Ohreally_factor · · Score: 1

    You proved me wrong and I learned something (something that in retrospect seems obvious, but isn't it often that way?).

    Thank you!

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    It's not offtopic, dumbass. It's orthogonal.
  393. painlessly dip into the windows world by planetfinder · · Score: 2, Funny

    Uproariously funny concept.

  394. My partial can't-live-without list by HorsePunchKid · · Score: 1
    My short list of must-have software on a Windows box:

    These are the basic things I would require regardless of what kind of project I was working on. There are probably another half a dozen or so programs I would almost always install (Process Explorer, Firefox, Putty, KeePass), but these are more likely to be subject to individual preferences.

    --
    Steven N. Severinghaus
  395. Not site licenced. by Inoshiro · · Score: 1

    "free" MS software is not site licenced. It's a one-to-one licencing deal, with all the software requiring activation.

    I don't "continue to use Windows 2000" -- I use it on the order of once every 4-6 months. No Windows 2000 machine is hooked directly to the Internet. All applications run on it come from a known-good repository on the network, which I verify in a VMWare environment before it gets run on my test machine. As I said, it's rare that games don't work with Cedega, and (due to school) it's rare that I play games which require a reboot (as well as games in general, but that's another story).

    Internet Explorer is not secure, nor is it designed to be. Windows Vista is the first Windows since 95 that might be more secure due to the change of approach to integrating an insecure binary like the IE blob into the system. You can't patch shit into a good design. Sendmail proved that decades ago (I did giggle about the recent remote root in Sendmail). There are some very good SE principles and also algorithm correctness reasons why this is, but I'm going to assume you know them, and are just being insouciant about IE.

    As for iTunes, it's not the interface, it's the features. Most of the time, I use it on my Powerbook. The rare (2x times a year) time I use it on Windows, it's close enough, and supports the same playlists, streaming radio, streaming to AirTunes enabled speakers, etc, that I use. Again, you're totally ignoring my use case in favour of your view of what the world Should Be (TM). I expect such arrogance on Slashdot, though, so I'm sure I can forgive you.

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    Internet Explorer (n): Another bug -- that is, a feature that can't be turned off -- in Windows.
    1. Re:Not site licenced. by Osty · · Score: 1

      As for iTunes, it's not the interface, it's the features. Most of the time, I use it on my Powerbook. The rare (2x times a year) time I use it on Windows, it's close enough, and supports the same playlists, streaming radio, streaming to AirTunes enabled speakers, etc, that I use. Again, you're totally ignoring my use case in favour of your view of what the world Should Be (TM). I expect such arrogance on Slashdot, though, so I'm sure I can forgive you.

      iTunes' features aren't enough to justify its horrible interface on Windows. It makes sense that you want iTunes, coming from your Powerbook as your 95% use case and only using Windows occassionally. That's perfectly fine, but then you're not the average Windows user (or really, you're not a Windows user at all). Your use case is irrelevant.

      Consider a scenario where a popular Windows application gets ported over to OS X. If the app is ported to look and act exactly as it does on Windows, you're not going to be happy with it. It doesn't fit in with the look and feel of any of your other apps, it expects you to have a two-button mouse, it doesn't recognize standard option-click and shift-click behaviors, etc. Unless that app is the only one to do what it does, you're probably not going to use it. iTunes is that scenario, just the other way around. It's an OS X application that just happens to run on Windows, and that's wrong. Microsoft can manage to make Office look and feel like an OS X app when they port to Mac. Adobe can make Photoshop look and feel like a Windows app when they port to Windows. Apple should not be exempt from that level of judgement. iTunes may be a very good OS X app, adhering to OS X UI standards and behaviors. It's not a very good Windows app, and that's the problem.

      Again, using the theoretical example of a popular Windows app ported to OS X, I would probably use it and enjoy it because I'm a Windows user 95% of the time. My feelings about the app are unimportant to the larger picture, however, because I'm not the target audience of the port. Your feelings about iTunes on Windows are unimportant, because you're not the target audience of that port. It sounds bad, but it's the truth.

      (BTW, this argument is one of the big problems with Java/Swing apps. They have the same look and feel across all environments, and fit into none. Java/SWT is better, being implemented on native widgets, but it also has the same problem to some extent. You use an app like Azureus because it's one of the best at what it does, not because it has a good interface or fits well with your OS. Maybe people believe that iTunes' features are enough to overcome its crap interface, but I don't.)

  396. I TOTALLY agreee by mogabog · · Score: 1

    "My computer is not working"

    "oh sorry, I don't know anything about Windows, you'll have to ask someone else"

    Day to day I'm sure I could function using a Windows computer, but nothing more than that. It's a point and click GUI, there is not that much mystery.

    -A

  397. TortoiseSVN and Beyond Compare by djmurdoch · · Score: 1

    If you are developing or writing text files, then use the command line version of svn everywhere for version control, and TortoiseSVN as a front end in Windows.

    For comparing files and directories and merging, use
    Beyond Compare.

  398. Doesn't anyone use magnets any more? by hawk · · Score: 1

    Nice big ones, with the poles opposed to give a 1/2 inch gap?

    hawk

  399. Useful Windows apps? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ha, those don't exist buddy. Painlessly get into the Windows world? You obviously have been living in a cave for the last 20 years.

  400. I feel your pain... by bytor4232 · · Score: 1
    When I started my new job, I found myself having to use Windows for tech support. I've been using Linux since 1998, and before that was using OS/2 since 1996. My WindowPoision of choice is Window Maker. So after almost a decade of being out of the "windows" game, I had to start using XP. How painful. Here is my reply to him:

    I'm a Linux user, more specifically a Window Maker user, who had to use Windows. Window Maker has a simlar interface, as I understand it, to Mac OS/X. Here are the apps that help me suffer through my daily Windows experience:

    * Productivity (spreadsheet)
    I stay away from Microsoft Office in favor of OpenOffice.org. It runs faster and preforms all the same tasks that I need to preform under Office.

    * Graphics
    As far as Windows goes, you can't go wrong with Photoshop. On linux I use the Gimp. For image viewing, I use gqview on both Linux and Windows (windows version: http://gqview-win.sourceforge.net/). Its fast and works well.

    * Utilities (spam, anti-virus, FTP etc)
    Spam identification should be done on the server side, but just in case MailWasher is awesome (http://www.mailwasher.net./ For antivirus, I use BitDefender. I'm old school, so WS_FTP is the only way to go.

    * Games
    Thats why I have Nintendo. Computers are my interface to the 'net and a tool. Don't do much gaming.

    * Online enhancements (e.g. toolbars etc)
    FireFox. There is no better browser period.

    * Other
    Coming from OS/X your going to want YzDock. The homepage is missing, but you can download it from numerous locations, just google for YzDock. It is, as you probably have guessed, an implimentation of the OS/X dock on Windows. There are other docks out there but this one works the best, at least for me.

    Outside these apps, I use a number of utilities you may or may not be interested in as well. The quick utilities I use on every install can be found at http://arthur.jfmi.net/win/. WinRoll is used to shade windows. I find shading and not minimizing is far more productive. Cygwin.com is useful if your into the Unix interface. Cygwin provides a POSIX layer, X-server, Bash shell, and much much more. VNC is great for remotely managing desktops. VirtuaWin sets up virtual desktops. Tweakui is a great tool for ridding yourself of annoyances on Windows.

    I hope this helps.

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    1. Re:I feel your pain... by bytor4232 · · Score: 1

      Oh, and x2vnc lets me control my windows box from my Linux box. That way I can have my familiar Linux Desktop and the Windows desktop running in tandem. That helps. Controling Windows via x2x-like controls is pretty nice.

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      -- 4 8 15 16 23 42
  401. Welcome to Windows by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Great question. There are some things you absolutely must install right away, before you connect to any other computers or networks. As a Windows newbie, this might all seem bewildering, but please, please trust me on this. I don't care how much you paid for your computer or for MS Windows or whatever. These things are almost certainly missing and are critical to your computer safety.

    1. Windows Update
    2. Firewall
    3. Anti-Spyware
    4. Anti-Spyware
    5. Anti-Virus

    These things must be installed right away to make your Windows computer even semi-safe to use. They all must be updated regularly (perhaps 1-4 times a month). Oh, and yes, Anti-Spyware is listed twice. Just one probably won't suffice.

    OK, now your computer is almost up to where your Mac was out of the box. Now you can start talking about productivity/entertainment applications. Carry on...

  402. NeXT was first by alcmaeon · · Score: 1

    Interestingly, it seems to me that Win 95 wasn't so much a rip off of the MacOS of the time as everyone seems to think, but it took a lot more from NeXTstep: Gray 3D windows; square buttons; each open document appearing at the bottom of the desktop; etc. The taskbar seems to have a lot in common with the NeXT Dock.

  403. EverNote & Spinrite by Finkbug · · Score: 1

    http://www.evernote.com/en/

    First learned of it on the Wacom drawing tablet mailing list and now could not survive without it. Endless stream of virtual paper with auto-dating and auto-categorization, all searchable. Plop in pictures, typed notes, swaps from clipboard, live weblinks, quoted text or images from websites which retain the connection. Pony for the quite reasonable paid version and write directly into it with your drawing tablet or tablet PC and get that converted on the fly to searchable text.

    http://grc.com/spinrite.htm/

    Spinrite has been the most amazing hardware maintainance ap bar none for...gosh. Pushing two decades. I'll never forget watching it change my RLL drive's interleave w/o formatting in ~1988. Now that Mac users are on commodity hardware they can use it for their disks without yanking them from the boxes. Not free but worth every last cent. Sales of Spinrite also pay for all the free security aps its creator offers.

    Me, I'm waiting for easy OSX on non-Apple hardware. Somehow I don't see Apple helping us with that....

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    Feeling so good natured I could drool
  404. Here's a start by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nero - If you want to do anything that has any remote connection whatsoever to CDs, this program will do it. It handles everything from bit-for-bit copying for all your pirating needs to making bootable CDs, authoring DVD menus, burning BluRay, editing audio, playing DVDs, compressing video, and a whole host of other functions you will never use in this lifetime. The installation package is about the size of some operating systems.

    Adobe Audition - Formerly CoolEdit, this is hands-down the best audio editor anywhere, as well as an excellent multitrack recorder. This totally owns Audacity or anything else.

    Sonar - This is the ProTools of the Windows world. At its core, it's a MIDI editor/sequencer--but it seemlessly blends with audio and video editing and multitracking. This is what the big labels write the accompaniments in for the next big hit.

    Finale - The best music scoring engine ever. Play in the music, out comes the page. Think of it like OCR for music.

    Visual Studio - All you slashdotters are going to have to forgive me, but VS 2005 is quite possibly the best IDE ever invented, even if it is a bit bloated. Think of it like Emacs for Windows. VS handles a huge array of language editing, as well as being able to edit embedded resources, etc. Like Eclilpse on steroids.

    Vegas - This is a video editing app similar to Adobe Premier, except I find it to have about 95% of the power and about twelve times the usability. Excellent for putting together indie films.

    DVDDecryptor + DVDShrink - Subvert the RIAA. 'Nuff said.

    UTorrent - I wish they had this for Linux. It is so awesome. It's like Azerus, except it's small and fast.

    And I prefer Windows Defender to AdAware. But here's the thing: I run three windows servers and ten clients here at home. All of them run firefox and are behind a W2k3 server that handles all of the routing (it runs IIS6 and RDP, by the way) and I haven't had a security/virus/spyware issue (let alone had to reformat the box) in at least a year, and I run no AV and no antispyware (and just the standard RRAS firewall at network-level). It's just a matter of watching what you install.

  405. Notepad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I really love Window's default text editor. It has a small footprint. It refuses to open anything that doesn't have a small footprint. It hasn't been updated in at least 10 years because it obviously doesn't need it. But the thing that I like best about Notepad, like many other MS products, is how it sticks those nice ^Ms at arbitrary places throughout any file you happen to open.

  406. Email Clients by Neil+K. · · Score: 1

    Could someone please port Outlook Express to Mac? I can't read my emails cause I can't find the paperclip.

  407. everyone here is a fat nerd by itadaku · · Score: 1

    Yo fattie? Don't lie and tell me you can't use a PC because you're just too conditioned to MacOS. PC has an extra button on the mouse and you click stuff, just like your elitest mac. The best program on windows is everything, that is when compared to the mediocre offerings from Apple. You wouldn't know when you're served polished turds but hey, your ignorance is my bliss.

  408. Coolest Ever! by triso · · Score: 1

    Hey, mac dud,

    You have to try ie (Windows Internet Explorer.) It is so cool I could shit my pants. No other software can pick up viruses so quickly. If you have a death-wish (tm) you will love it when your computer goes down from the weight of every known piece of fucking malware known to man.

  409. I should have been a bit more detailed by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 1

    The full story is a little more complex:

    Code sections of the library are generally not instanced. There are special cases where they can be, but not usually. Generally it only happens when they are packed with a run-time executable packer that marks all sections as read-write. Data sections, however, are instanced in most cases, for obvious reasons. Again, that's not the way it is in every case, you can, in theory, have shared data and use that for communication, but it creates a security hole and shouldn't be done.

    Now the other side of this is that Windows does version tracking on system DLLs. If software installs an older DLL, Windows will grab that copy of it for just the reason you noted (potential legacy code). It will then load that version for that software, but the new system version for other software. So you can have two complete seperate instances of the same DLL, because they are different versions. Of course a program can also do this itself, simply ship the DLL it wants in it's directory and use that instead (at least for most DLLs).

    So I suppose it's a bit too simplistic to say each program gets it's own copy, but what I mean is they aren't totally shared like they were in 3.1. Orignally the consideration of DLLs was mainly reducing memory usage. These days it's modulatiry and interoperability. If I make an audio processor that conforms to the DirectShow standard as a DLL and register it on a system, any app that wants to use it can. So my plugin will work in Wavelab, Sonar, Vegas, all form one version. That kind of thing. The concern is making it work easily with all the software, not with saving the 2MB of memory that my plugin needs.

  410. Look up opinion in a dictionary. by Inoshiro · · Score: 1

    "iTunes' features aren't enough to justify its horrible interface on Windows."

    That's your opinion, not mine. We don't agree.

    The OP wanted to know what people would suggest on the Windows platform. I suggest iTunes because I use it. The rest of your post is, frankly, a waste of both our times. Don't worry, I didn't read it.

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  411. Re:I have used a PC for 15 minutes, and it sucked by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Umm, OSX uses DLLs. See this link for details http://0xfe.blogspot.com/2006/03/how-os-x-executes -applications.html
    Notice the section where they talk about dynamic libraries???

    Open Firmware and EFI both serve the same function as 'PC-BIOS'. They both provide the Basic Input/Output System to load the OS.

  412. Windows software... by zakarria · · Score: 1

    Firefox, thunderbird, gaim, xchat, vlc, itunes, freeciv... wait... er... windows specific, huh...

  413. My must have's by What+me+a+Coward · · Score: 1

    Norton Ghost Before 10.0 10.0 is pure crap.

        Ghost allows you to make a backup image of your windows partition that can be saved onto a DVD and later restored if you mess up your windows or get a virus etc. that trashes you windows install.

        Partition Magic 8.0

        Great little partitioning program that's non destructive IE doesn't delete the content of your drive if you resize the drives to create, shrink, grow or merge the partitions. Their are other partitioning programs out their but PQ is the one that came out with the first non destructive one.

      Paragon Partition commander is another one that claims to be able to guarentee it wont destroy any data in the event of anything unforseen like a brownout during the paritioning. Seems to do it by having data recovery which is also in partition magic so i don't see the advantage

        Sagetv

        It's like tivo for the PC and doesn't charge monthly fee's for the guide data. It also works with almost every Hardware tuner card out encluding HD tuners and. It will work with as many tuners as you can fit onto your system. Sagetv is written in java so you'll need suns java to run it. If you use this you will need a mepg2 decoder their are many out their just about any software dvd player program will have a mpeg2 decoder in it.

        VLC media player

        This is a media player that can do streaming video and plays just about any video format that's out so it's well worth it's price Free.

        I like alpha XP it gives you glass like transparencies in XP for the taskbar and windows apps. THeir are others out their that do the same thing but Alpha is the only one i have seen that makes the taskbar transpearent and brings it back into solid when you move your mouse over it like Vista does.

        Theirs also the Vista transform pack for XP but you may want to hold off on trying that as it's a work in progress and does some major changes to XP to make it more Vista like.

        Winrar or Winace or both

        Winrar and Winace are compression programs to compress and decomepress files in windows like Winzip. Both winrar and winace will unzip winzip archives but im not sure if winzip will do that for rar files or ace files. A large number of compressed files on the net for windows are in one of thoughs three formats or in compressed exe's (which decompress themselves) so a compression program is advisable, I would get one of these no matter what else you get.

        Games

        DO i really need to explain this one? The kinds depend on what type you like FPS, RPG, RTS, MMO, MMORPG you get the idea. Look online for game demos to see what you like.

        That's my list late.

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  414. Here's the other one by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    The other program I was thinking of is ConceptDraw, might be worth a look if as well.

    I guess if nothing else you could use virtualization on a new mac to use Visio while in Windows....

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  415. Ok, Here's the software I use by wolf.sama · · Score: 1

    First, replace the filebrowser with a dual pane one, I use a commercial app, so no link :p

    Sec, do not forget to have some ftp client, oh "ftp" works fine, but any FXP enabled client is better

    Third, you _must_ be able to watch pr0n^M^M^M documentaries, so Just install the filters and a player [http://yatoshi.com/ a great pack, read almost everything]

    Then, you must find the software that fits your needs, listen to music, edit movites ... Juste like you do on a mac but without the i, no ifoobar2000, no iMediaPlayerClassic ... :)

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  416. List of Essential Software by Dr.Ruud · · Score: 1
  417. Re:I have used a PC for 15 minutes, and it sucked by wjcofkc · · Score: 1

    Actually, that's control click. Although I prefer a one button mouse, I have also used a five button mouse with all of my expose' features programmed in. So even when I did that, I still used control click.

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  418. A few apps by JamesGecko · · Score: 1
    Alright, let me see what I've got running.

    MiniAim I mean, seriously. How can you go wrong with an 80Kb aim client?
    uTorrent - Works better then the normal BitTorrent client.
    ABAGames - Pretty much any one of these shooters is worth playing.

    And it looks like all the other really obvious stuff has been mentioned. I also reccommend checking out an Ubuntu LiveDisk... As soon as Dapper hits the streets, this laptop will be booting Linux.

  419. A "Must Have" for Web safety w/Windoze on a Mac... by CanaGeek · · Score: 1
    ...would be the free VMVare Player http://www.vmware.com/products/player/ and the free VMWare Player Browser Appliance http://www.vmware.com/vmtn/appliances/browserapp.h tml. It would let your Windows on a Mac run a relatively secure Unix-like environment (Ubuntu) with a relatively secure browser (Firefox).

    Oh, wait...

    ;-)

  420. Trillian is a horribly coded piece of shit. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Really, I'd sooner put Bonzi Buddy on my desktop than that piece of shit. Mod me -1 troll all you want, but the system resources it hogs are easily more than the resources it'd take to just load AIM, Yahoo, and MSN (though ICQ is almost as bad, ever since Mirabilis got rid of it it's become hoggy as hell).

  421. Trillian is dogshit. Wretched, wretched dogshit. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    -1 Troll here, speaking on behalf of all those who are too impatient to relax and let their opinions be expressed eloquently:

    Trillian is a horrible piece of shit, and the system resources it takes are ridiculous. AIM + MSN + Yahoo < Trillian in terms of system resources (though ICQ is just as bad these days), and really, unless you're not a native English speaker (in which case the built in hyper-linked dictionary option seems good), I can't think of any reason to bother with Trillian.

    -1 Offtopic now: How the hell can I get rid of those awful new AIM 5.0 smileys? I tried googling for "gold smileys AIM" and got nothing but spyware. Some of my accounts default to the old school yellow ones, but one of my accounts - my main account, at that - refuses to change the default. I can only disable graphical smileys altogether, and THAT'S NOT VERY USERFRIENDLY. :(

  422. Acorn... obviously! by bwoodring · · Score: 1

    So yeah, I think it's pretty safe to say that KDE and Gnome developers were trying to rip off Acorn with their taskbars. Anything to try to increase familiarity with for all the millions of dedicated Acorn users. What a dipshit.

  423. a few days late, but HIGHLY useful - and all free by Krimsen · · Score: 1
  424. Format by NateTech · · Score: 1

    Format C:\ is the first command I teach all new Windows users.

    They learn early about backups and how hard it really is to install an OS if their vendor doesn't do it for them. :-)

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    1. Re:Format by greekgod8591 · · Score: 1

      You know, if we want to convert people to the correct side in the great war on the mac, I think we'd be better off NOT scrweing up his computer before he knows what hit so he can blame it on Windows.

    2. Re:Format by NateTech · · Score: 1

      Who said I'm trying to convert people? :-)

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  425. SAP by BraksDad · · Score: 1

    The real reason to run Windows is for SAP.

    If you are not using SAP then you are not fully tapping out your hardware. There is no software out there (bar a few viruses and disk defragmentors that really cew up the processor, disk and memory of your computer.

    Personally, I had an Apple II, then a II+, then a IIe and a Mac... Then I decided I wanted to be a programmer for a profession and... Yes you can survive on programming Macs for large companies... oh, wait, not really. Maybe small companies or the very medium sized firms, but if you want the flexability to move around and the ability to work virtually anywhere. I have enjoyed my now 16 years as a developer on the Windows platform. I had an Apple from late '76 through '90 and do not regret the switch.

    Sometimes I long for coding in Apple Basic with the low res and high res graphics, but I suspect that is nostalgia and not a rational reasonable thought. ;)

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