The science center opened in 1970. Lasers you could watch burn wood, computers you could use yourself and more cool things than you could do in a day. It was, and remains, utterly inspirational.
Yes and they wern't sure how they'd use SONET, the only thing they were sure of was tcp/ip would almost certainly have no place. In 1991 the ITU go the USG to ban any network communications with and for the government in anything but OSI protocols.
Despite the fact they never existed. "they sounded great on paper though!"
"1985 was only 1 year after the Ma Bell breakup and while the Macintosh was out IBM still dominated the PC business."
Well, yeah, but the PC business was only 2 years old. Soon IBM would have its first competitor: compaq.
pdp11's, vax, sun, apollo, and any number of microprocessor based business systems abounded. the PC wasn't so certain in 85. I was able to avoid the wretched things till 88 or so.
"I'm curious: how much do you think that someone who runs the internet should be paid?"
He doesn't run the Internet. He heads up the company that for a decade has blocked the development of new top level domains for the trademark lobby/mpaa/riaa. This could have all been finished in 1998/1999.
Notice the Internet ran fine - and grew - before ICANN? And that since the there have been very few innovations and development. Just the way the intellectual property lobby wants it.
ICANN. Doesn't. Actually. Do. Anything. And it's very very expensive.
"Seriously, everyone here has an opinion but do you have the expertise to run it?"
Why yes. I did this from 1996 to 2006. Cost: $0.
Postel used to do it as a part time $15K/yr "task".
It really reallly isn't hard. If you'd tried or done it you'd know that. They make it look scary to justify the gold plated nonsen$e they get away with.
First of all the CEO is never in the office. Second, ICANN has been around for a decade and has burned though ten of millions of dollars. Show me the deliverables. If any other government agency acted like this there'd be charges.
Keep in mind Beckstrom succeeded a guy that lied to congress about how much money he made (it's on youtube!) and was quickly sent home back to Australia.
Prediction: it's a setup. Beckstrom came out of nowhere with no experience except for a stint at DHS. They've installed a guy with a foreign sounding name to run the US company that controls all the names and addresses on the net. How do you think the current congress will react to that? (They ultimately have aegis over this). This, the salary and the now one-year-delay before even looking at the new tld apps, I think this is all a setup to let the USG turn off this five star travelling dog and pony show and let NIST/FCC run it like they run other/similar things.
I worked with a salt of the earthy great guy that murdered his wife one night in an absolute rage.
Frankly yours sounds to me like a paranoid and delusional view. If you hear voices you might want to give your gun to somebody else for a while till you get that fixed. They want you to hurt yourself with it, but you're smarter than that and won't let them.
It's only a hierarchy because a long time a ago when the hosts.txt file got too big Paul M figured out a way to slide it up to balance the storage and computational power. Brian R got Paul V to take the Berkely B-Tree code into a professional product. Jon P asked the same question on the MSGGROUP mailing list and there was no agreement so he made up the com/net/org convention.
We don't need the hierarchy any more...
There's no inherant reason bad.shit.com needs be any relation to good.shit.com. Arguably it's just not worked out that one guy gets shit.com and some guy gets com, if each name were discrete it reduces or elimiates a bunch of problems.
as for actual transport:
DHT - The Network is the Registry....with 480-bit Keys.... PUT(KEY,DATA,TIME) GET(KEY)
Simon Higgs made what I thought was the best first approximation of a sensible tld-space if you wanted to stay in that model. God knows why you'd want to though, it got us going but it's really been nothing but trouble.
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The science center opened in 1970. Lasers you could watch burn wood, computers you could use yourself and more cool things than you could do in a day. It was, and remains, utterly inspirational.
Skype is better than any landline.
There's pretty good reasons for that.
Yes and they wern't sure how they'd use SONET, the only thing they were sure of was tcp/ip would almost certainly have no place. In 1991 the ITU go the USG to ban any network communications with and for the government in anything but OSI protocols.
Despite the fact they never existed. "they sounded great on paper though!"
His facts are dead on and insightful. I can parse the semantics thanks, and don't give a shit about the syntax.
"1985 was only 1 year after the Ma Bell breakup and while the Macintosh was out IBM still dominated the PC business."
Well, yeah, but the PC business was only 2 years old. Soon IBM would have its first competitor: compaq.
pdp11's, vax, sun, apollo, and any number of microprocessor based business systems abounded. the PC wasn't so certain in 85. I was able to avoid the wretched things till 88 or so.
they had ihnp4 as an example. what other conclusion could they have come up with?
(the guy at 1:29 looks like Jim Fleming who signed of on it's replacement, ihnpss)
Speaking of "technical", how wise do you think this all Miscroft shop really is?
This came out just now: http://www.icann.org/en/news/announcements/announcement-23jun12-en.htm
If you think ICANN is the "best and the brightest" or "runs the Internet" then you don't understand life on this planet.
"You pay them well to ensure that they are difficult to bribe."
You have't looked at Twomey's record in much depth have you. Codeword: Tina.
Wasn't free, it was a $15K/yr "part time task".
Biggest mistake Jon ever made, because when the government gave him this money that was all the excuse they needed to claim aegis over it.
That's what happened. I was there. I saw this.
Don't forget the 4X a year first class flights to five star hotels for a week for "meetings".
" If he didn't turn up for work for the next three months"
You think the CEO actually turns up at the office? Hahahaha, you haven't checked, have you?
Congress was surprised to find this wasn't true either: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qnjgqrx3Wmc
"I'm curious: how much do you think that someone who runs the internet should be paid?"
He doesn't run the Internet. He heads up the company that for a decade has blocked the development of new top level domains for the trademark lobby/mpaa/riaa. This could have all been finished in 1998/1999.
Notice the Internet ran fine - and grew - before ICANN? And that since the there have been very few innovations and development. Just the way the intellectual property lobby wants it.
ICANN. Doesn't. Actually. Do. Anything. And it's very very expensive.
Postel did it for $15K/yr and the names, numbers and infrastructure grew more under Jon that at any other time. 250 tlds in a few years.
ICANN: half a billion dollars and we got .coop
The thing is, Jon knew how to configure a nameserver. How many of the six figure guys in ICANN do you suppose can do this?
"Seriously, everyone here has an opinion but do you have the expertise to run it?"
Why yes. I did this from 1996 to 2006. Cost: $0.
Postel used to do it as a part time $15K/yr "task".
It really reallly isn't hard. If you'd tried or done it you'd know that. They make it look scary to justify the gold plated nonsen$e they get away with.
How to run it? Are you kidding?
First of all the CEO is never in the office. Second, ICANN has been around for a decade and has burned though ten of millions of dollars. Show me the deliverables. If any other government agency acted like this there'd be charges.
Keep in mind Beckstrom succeeded a guy that lied to congress about how much money he made (it's on youtube!) and was quickly sent home back to Australia.
I mean, that much money to run THIS: http://rs79.vrx.net/opinions/ideas/internet/domains/eyestar/icann/inside/ ?
Prediction: it's a setup. Beckstrom came out of nowhere with no experience except for a stint at DHS. They've installed a guy with a foreign sounding name to run the US company that controls all the names and addresses on the net. How do you think the current congress will react to that? (They ultimately have aegis over this). This, the salary and the now one-year-delay before even looking at the new tld apps, I think this is all a setup to let the USG turn off this five star travelling dog and pony show and let NIST/FCC run it like they run other/similar things.
I used to do it for free.
...for a year. The you'll know how computers actually work.
"when hiring programmers, always choose the one that knows assembler" - Andrea Frankel., 1988
So he can finally make money off Java.
Not quite like any other.
That's like saying Hiroshima was "just a bomb".
I worked with a salt of the earthy great guy that murdered his wife one night in an absolute rage.
Frankly yours sounds to me like a paranoid and delusional view. If you hear voices you might want to give your gun to somebody else for a while till you get that fixed. They want you to hurt yourself with it, but you're smarter than that and won't let them.
Do you have any idea who I *am*.
Exactly. And I've been doing that since you clowns thought a 5 meg drive on a IIe was a big deal.
kthxbai
It's only a hierarchy because a long time a ago when the hosts.txt file got too big Paul M figured out a way to slide it up to balance the storage and computational power. Brian R got Paul V to take the Berkely B-Tree code into a professional product. Jon P asked the same question on the MSGGROUP mailing list and there was no agreement so he made up the com/net/org convention.
We don't need the hierarchy any more...
There's no inherant reason bad.shit.com needs be any relation to good.shit.com. Arguably it's just not worked out that one guy gets shit.com and some guy gets com, if each name were discrete it reduces or elimiates a bunch of problems.
as for actual transport:
DHT - The Network is the Registry....with 480-bit Keys ....
PUT(KEY,DATA,TIME)
GET(KEY)
Simon Higgs made what I thought was the best first approximation of a sensible tld-space if you wanted to stay in that model. God knows why you'd want to though, it got us going but it's really been nothing but trouble.
http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-higgs-tld-cat-02 He worked on this with Jon.
Oh and look what I found: Teklogix company picnic, 1976. Great shots of Dave Conroy's back.
http://rs79.vrx.net/works/photoblog/2011/Feb/9/
Sorry, Teklogix invented the hand held *RF* barcode scanner. (And within 10 years had 2% of the market as so often happens in Canada)
(Although I guess we call "RF" "WiFi" these days)
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