You're close. Look carefully in the IP packet header. You can make a drop in replacement for V6 that isn't V6 and since XP on up ad all unix systems today will take v6 addresses you're off to the races. There's a guy in Chicago that has this all worked out but the various IETF/ICANN/I* societies pissed him off so badly he withdrew his ideas.
I remember a decade ago askig one of the V6 architects what he thought of Flemings IPV8 plan and he railed on about how retarded a fantasy it was. Then I asked him to explain hot IPV8 worked. And he had no idea. It's all political.
There's also an IPV16 and IPV32 for dedicated long haul fibre links but there aren't for consumer use.
V8 does work. The v6 guys hate it. But I've used it years ago and you can ping it from anywhere.
And the addresses are free. This really pisses off the I* people.
"Everyone in this thread is sooooo wrong it isn't funny.
First off- no one in their right mind is going to give up their addresses.
Secondly- let's not keep IPv4 around any longer than it has to be. Please let it die already. Moving to IPv6 is just not that hard- including OSPFv3, mBGP, tunnels, filters and route-maps it took me an hour or so of actual configuration time to enable IPv6- for gods sake- let's just do it already.
Finally- breaking up/8's into lot's of smaller networks is a TERRIBLE idea. There are already about 200k routes in the global routing table. Splitting up a single class A up into/20's (the current standard allocation) would increase the size of the table by 4k entries. Do that for a dozen networks and you've just increased the global routing table by 25%. That's an AWFUL idea. IPv6 avoids this problem with a stricter and more sensible heirarchy that allows for a LOT more aggregation.
The fact is- you don't know anything about backbone routing so please don't tell ARIN how to do their job."
A decade ago when ARIN was being formed there are sheer outrage at the size of the routing tables then. I think it was about 59K entires (but I could be wrong). I was told the cpus in big routers couldn't keep up.
At the time there was also serious concern that a million names in com would break the entire net. Now there's about, what 40 million com names? My email and webpages still seem to work.
I'm supposed to sweat a 25% increase? What happened to the credo of scalability? 25% and it's the death of the net predicted? Please.
ARIN gets paid for V6 allocations. I'd love to see the accounting for taking something from some company for free then resellng it for boucoup bucks.
I'm surprised the DOD doesn't go into the IP allocation business. But then you don't threaten IP holders who have nukes.
"C++ has been largely supplanted by higher level languages but C continues to be used a fair amount (especially in embedded systems as you note, but also for hand-coding performance critical parts of large systems that are mostly in other languages and for some other non-embedded work)"
Apache... C.
Unix kernel... C
Mail daemons... C
DNS daemons... C
"hand-coding performance critical parts of large systems" are usually assembly. The inner loop of Alta Vista is machine langauge (possibly google too, but I don't know). If you can squeeze one more cycle out, you aren't finished.
"Anyone who originally learned C, and is still writing code, has probably picked up a few other languages over the years.
I learend Assembly first and have programmed nearly every cpu except a vax. I learned C second (in 1976) and still use it every day.
I also know: apl, forth, snobol, fortran, rpg, cobol, lisp, smalltalk, pascal, algol and probably more I can't remember. I've never done much in them except for a tiny bit of forth. I know postscript pretty well and used it quite a bit. But I do C, day in day out and do not think very much of C++ or (worse) C#. The oddball languages have their place but for most it's a pretty narrow niche. I'd rather invert a matrix in Fortran than C though, I'll admit.
Andrea Frankel said it best on usenet in the 80s: "If you need to hire a programmer ones with assembly are better than ones without".
It worries me that people today don't actually know how computers work inside any more.
There's a parellel here from the wristwatch world.
Originaly wristwatches were smallish pocket watches on straps (think "luggable". They were for women and no self respecing man would wear one. Then WWI came along and men in the trenches were ordered to wear one Suddenly it was ok for men to be seen wearing one. They were still pretty big though. As time went on the "arms race" was for smaller and thinner watches. By the time the 50's rolled around they were not much more in size than two quarters stack on each other.
This was more of a fashion statement than anything else and companies like Omega and Rolex made reasonably sized watches even while maintaining other lines that were oh so thin.
Concord took it to the limit with the "Delirium". They were very very thin. The mark IV was SO thin you couldn't actually wear it without bending it.
I worry about things being too small. I hear the same complaints about cel phones.
"Parthenogenesis can only result in female offspring"
I don't know why this shark event is even remotely surprising. It's not unknown in fish circles.
There's a class fo fish called "killifish" - around 700 species. One of them, Rivulus marmorotus reproduces by parthenogenesis exclusivly they're all females.
"So, you're typing in a URL and you make an error"
You made an error.
You know, I wish my car would correct for me when I make an error. Computers are dumb. They do what you tell them to.
I'm tyring to think how many times I've typed in the wrong name and been inconvenienced. I can't actually remember but I'm sure I have. I guess. It's not like I'm the worlds best speller.
It seems to me if this is a persistant problem for you you might want to slow down a bit, have one less jolt cola and type a bit more carefully. In all honesty how many times a year do you make this kind of mistake and how long does it take you to hit the back button? If you spent more than 5 mins a year on this "problem" then I posit in the grand scheme of things this is a non-issue.
"Really, taking up domain names for typos, or just about anything other than actually creating a developed website is just plain breaking the internet. "
I can get my mail. Websites seem to work. The internet doesn't actually appear to be broken, Captain Netcraft.
"I've often thought that a person or corporation should only be allowed to own 1 domain. If a person/company really wants more domains then they can create additional child corporations."
That's just daft. I have a domain for cars (mbz.org) and one for tropical fish (aquaria.net).
I have to make two incorporations to be able to have these? How bout not?
"The.com is currently taken, but expires in about a month. If what I read is correct, some slimebag domainer will use their lists and bots to automatically register the domain name I want mere seconds after its expiration"
That's state-of-the-art 10 years ago.
These days the registrar "buys" any domains theit clients let expire. You can thank ICANN for this.
"Obviously there would be a significant cumulative cost to the registrars, so perhaps the cost of a stamp or maybe a little more to handle international registrations could be added to the cost of a registration. It is not perfect and it's not going to prevent everybody who wants to keep their domain from losing it, but there comes a point where if a good-faith effort is given to allow people to keep their domains--often important property--that losing it leaves them nobody to blame but themselves."
How much of a grace period do you want? Used to be there was none. Then it was a couple of days. Now it's like a month or someting. If you or anybody else doesn't notice the domain stopped working how much can you really want it?
"isn't what this guy is doing introducing meaningless noise in the DNS system?"
No, it uses whois, not dns. NSI throttled the whois servers.
These days buying a registrat accreditation is really just buying a slice of the whois service you can abuse all you want. Many registars are just um, "domain hobbyists". In a sense ICANN legitimized the whole process. Keep in mind the "registrar constituency" is a major source of ICANN funding.
"Registrars have no business selling other people's domains"
They don't. They sell domains that have expired and the grace period is like, a month now. You have to be a real fuckup to lose a domain these days; that is if you don't notice your domain stopped working for a month you really aren't using it.
"1. Trademark your company/product name 2. Ensure your domain name contains the trademark 3. Renew your domain name registration on time (for fuck sake) 4. If someone buys up your domain when you're not looking, sue them for trademark infringement."
This will only work if "someone" uses the domain in the same country for the same class of goods or service.
"There's Delta faucets and Delta airlines. Nobody turns on the tap and expects to hear an airplane schedule" - John Berryhill.
My 13 year old daughter is happy to go to school. My 15 year old cannot abide the morons that go to and teach in her school. I've met them and I'm afraid she's right. She socializes with her friends her own age after school but prefers talking to adults and acts more like 30 than 15.
"I put the old monitor on, and it worked fine. Guess what, XP worked perfectly, regardless of the monitor. The copy of XP cost me $150, which is a bargain considering I wasted an entire day trying to get Suse to work"
This in a nutshell is a killer. I see messages in off topic aread of other websites asking why feisty fawn can't switch from, say 800 x 600 and crap like that. I loath MS with a passion but you have to admit their peripheral handling is light years ahead of anything on any unix. Stuff just works. Usually. Unless it doesn't. But it's way better at that kind of stuff than any unix I've seen.
"Actually, that isn't true. The "New Technology" expansion was created in hindsight, for marketing reasons, and Microsoft has even rejected that meaning now. The only plausible story I've heard for the story behind NT is that the kernel was initially targeted at Intel's i960 RISC CPU, which was codenamed N-10"
Huh? The i960 is an embedded controller, still found on RAID cards today. The MIPS RISC CPU was an NT target.
NT stood for "New Technology". Miscosoft said so back then. I remember it pretty well. The earliest reference to this I can find is around 1992 on usenet.
Cutler was hired to do NT because VMS, although it was sucky and not unix, WAS reliable. Vaxen only crashed when hardware failed. It was scary.
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You're close. Look carefully in the IP packet header. You can make a drop in replacement for V6 that isn't V6 and since XP on up ad all unix systems today will take v6 addresses you're off to the races. There's a guy in Chicago that has this all worked out but the various IETF/ICANN/I* societies pissed him off so badly he withdrew his ideas.
I remember a decade ago askig one of the V6 architects what he thought of Flemings IPV8 plan and he railed on about how retarded a fantasy it was. Then I asked him to explain hot IPV8 worked. And he had no idea. It's all political.
There's also an IPV16 and IPV32 for dedicated long haul fibre links but there aren't for consumer use.
V8 does work. The v6 guys hate it. But I've used it years ago and you can ping it from anywhere.
And the addresses are free. This really pisses off the I* people.
"Everyone in this thread is sooooo wrong it isn't funny.
/8's into lot's of smaller networks is a TERRIBLE idea. There are already about 200k routes in the global routing table. Splitting up a single class A up into /20's (the current standard allocation) would increase the size of the table by 4k entries. Do that for a dozen networks and you've just increased the global routing table by 25%. That's an AWFUL idea. IPv6 avoids this problem with a stricter and more sensible heirarchy that allows for a LOT more aggregation.
First off- no one in their right mind is going to give up their addresses.
Secondly- let's not keep IPv4 around any longer than it has to be. Please let it die already. Moving to IPv6 is just not that hard- including OSPFv3, mBGP, tunnels, filters and route-maps it took me an hour or so of actual configuration time to enable IPv6- for gods sake- let's just do it already.
Finally- breaking up
The fact is- you don't know anything about backbone routing so please don't tell ARIN how to do their job."
A decade ago when ARIN was being formed there are sheer outrage at the size of the routing tables then. I think it was about 59K entires (but I could be wrong). I was told the cpus in big routers couldn't keep up.
At the time there was also serious concern that a million names in com would break the entire net. Now there's about, what 40 million com names? My email and webpages still seem to work.
I'm supposed to sweat a 25% increase? What happened to the credo of scalability? 25% and it's the death of the net predicted? Please.
ARIN gets paid for V6 allocations. I'd love to see the accounting for taking something from some company for free then resellng it for boucoup bucks.
I'm surprised the DOD doesn't go into the IP allocation business. But then you don't threaten IP holders who have nukes.
I know of three class B's in Tronno that aren't even being used. The people that have them think they're "cool".
Merededes at least, gave their back.
"C++ has been largely supplanted by higher level languages but C continues to be used a fair amount (especially in embedded systems as you note, but also for hand-coding performance critical parts of large systems that are mostly in other languages and for some other non-embedded work)"
Apache... C.
Unix kernel... C
Mail daemons... C
DNS daemons... C
"hand-coding performance critical parts of large systems" are usually assembly. The inner loop of Alta Vista is machine langauge (possibly google too, but I don't know). If you can squeeze one more cycle out, you aren't finished.
"Anyone who originally learned C, and is still writing code, has probably picked up a few other languages over the years.
I learend Assembly first and have programmed nearly every cpu except a vax. I learned C second (in 1976) and still use it every day.
I also know: apl, forth, snobol, fortran, rpg, cobol, lisp, smalltalk, pascal, algol and probably more I can't remember. I've never done much in them except for a tiny bit of forth. I know postscript pretty well and used it quite a bit. But I do C, day in day out and do not think very much of C++ or (worse) C#. The oddball languages have their place but for most it's a pretty narrow niche. I'd rather invert a matrix in Fortran than C though, I'll admit.
Andrea Frankel said it best on usenet in the 80s: "If you need to hire a programmer ones with assembly are better than ones without".
It worries me that people today don't actually know how computers work inside any more.
There's a parellel here from the wristwatch world.
Originaly wristwatches were smallish pocket watches on straps (think "luggable". They were for women and no self respecing man would wear one. Then WWI came along and men in the trenches were ordered to wear one Suddenly it was ok for men to be seen wearing one. They were still pretty big though. As time went on the "arms race" was for smaller and thinner watches. By the time the 50's rolled around they were not much more in size than two quarters stack on each other.
This was more of a fashion statement than anything else and companies like Omega and Rolex made reasonably sized watches even while maintaining other lines that were oh so thin.
Concord took it to the limit with the "Delirium". They were very very thin. The mark IV was SO thin you couldn't actually wear it without bending it.
I worry about things being too small. I hear the same complaints about cel phones.
"Parthenogenesis can only result in female offspring"
I don't know why this shark event is even remotely surprising. It's not unknown in fish circles.
There's a class fo fish called "killifish" - around 700 species. One of them, Rivulus marmorotus reproduces by parthenogenesis exclusivly they're all females.
"So, you're typing in a URL and you make an error"
You made an error.
You know, I wish my car would correct for me when I make an error. Computers are dumb. They do what you tell them to.
I'm tyring to think how many times I've typed in the wrong name and been inconvenienced. I can't actually remember but I'm sure I have. I guess. It's not like I'm the worlds best speller.
It seems to me if this is a persistant problem for you you might want to slow down a bit, have one less jolt cola and type a bit more carefully. In all honesty how many times a year do you make this kind of mistake and how long does it take you to hit the back button? If you spent more than 5 mins a year on this "problem" then I posit in the grand scheme of things this is a non-issue.
"Really, taking up domain names for typos, or just about anything other than actually creating a developed website is just plain breaking the internet. "
I can get my mail. Websites seem to work. The internet doesn't actually appear to be broken, Captain Netcraft.
"when someone complains a spammer is holding their domain for ransom ICANN could investigate"
ICANN can't fart for less than $100,000.00.
"I've often thought that a person or corporation should only be allowed to own 1 domain. If a person/company really wants more domains then they can create additional child corporations."
That's just daft. I have a domain for cars (mbz.org) and one for tropical fish (aquaria.net).
I have to make two incorporations to be able to have these? How bout not?
"The .com is currently taken, but expires in about a month. If what I read is correct, some slimebag domainer will use their lists and bots to automatically register the domain name I want mere seconds after its expiration"
That's state-of-the-art 10 years ago.
These days the registrar "buys" any domains theit clients let expire. You can thank ICANN for this.
"I think it would be very much in the public interest to raise annual registration fees to, say, $70 a year"
The 20th century called. They want their pricing back.
When the NSF directed netsol to begin charging it was $100 for 2 years and $50/yr for renewal. There was widesperead consensus this was WAY too much.
"Property is sold at market value. Domain names are sold at a flat rate. They should be auctioned."
So only the richest of the richest countries could ever get what they wanted?
This idea was rejected in 1986. And every subsequent time it comes up.
First come first served. You snooze you lose.
"This is pretty controversial and I suppose if someone pays for something they have a right to do what they like with it."
That's sorta the catch-22 here. If one person has a right to decide what the other person can and cannot do with a domain name then we're all screwed.
That way there be dragons.
"Obviously there would be a significant cumulative cost to the registrars, so perhaps the cost of a stamp or maybe a little more to handle international registrations could be added to the cost of a registration. It is not perfect and it's not going to prevent everybody who wants to
keep their domain from losing it, but there comes a point where if a good-faith effort is given to allow people to keep their domains--often important property--that losing it leaves them nobody to blame but themselves."
How much of a grace period do you want? Used to be there was none. Then it was a couple of days. Now it's like a month or someting. If you or anybody else doesn't notice the domain stopped working how much can you really want it?
"isn't what this guy is doing introducing meaningless noise in the DNS system?"
No, it uses whois, not dns. NSI throttled the whois servers.
These days buying a registrat accreditation is really just buying a slice of the whois service you can abuse all you want. Many registars are just um, "domain hobbyists". In a sense ICANN legitimized the whole process. Keep in mind the "registrar constituency" is a major source of ICANN funding.
"Registrars have no business selling other people's domains"
They don't. They sell domains that have expired and the grace period is like, a month now. You have to be a real fuckup to lose a domain these days; that is if you don't notice your domain stopped working for a month you really aren't using it.
"1. Trademark your company/product name
2. Ensure your domain name contains the trademark
3. Renew your domain name registration on time (for fuck sake)
4. If someone buys up your domain when you're not looking, sue them for trademark infringement."
This will only work if "someone" uses the domain in the same country for the same class of goods or service.
"There's Delta faucets and Delta airlines. Nobody turns on the tap and expects to hear an airplane schedule" - John Berryhill.
"I noticed this behavior in Firefox with v2.0"
I noticed this behavious with Netscape 0.99.
All web browsers have always done that.
You can't yell "fire!" in a classroom either. It's illegal and is absolutely not censorship.
Libel and slander don't have as a defence "but you're censoring me" either.
In my opinion if kids learn nothing else in school it should be respect.
My 13 year old daughter is happy to go to school. My 15 year old cannot abide the morons that go to and teach in her school. I've met them and I'm afraid she's right. She socializes with her friends her own age after school but prefers talking to adults and acts more like 30 than 15.
"I put the old monitor on, and it worked fine. Guess what, XP worked perfectly, regardless of the monitor. The copy of XP cost me $150, which is a bargain considering I wasted an entire day trying to get Suse to work"
This in a nutshell is a killer. I see messages in off topic aread of other websites asking why feisty fawn can't switch from, say 800 x 600 and crap like that. I loath MS with a passion but you have to admit their peripheral handling is light years ahead of anything on any unix. Stuff just works. Usually. Unless it doesn't. But it's way better at that kind of stuff than any unix I've seen.
"Why would they want to learn two different word processors?"
Interesting question.
Consider the path from roff to wordstar to word perfect to word.
(Don't look at me, I use vi and html)
"Actually, that isn't true. The "New Technology" expansion was created in hindsight, for marketing reasons, and Microsoft has even rejected that meaning now. The only plausible story I've heard for the story behind NT is that the kernel was initially targeted at Intel's i960 RISC CPU, which was codenamed N-10"
Huh? The i960 is an embedded controller, still found on RAID cards today. The MIPS RISC CPU was an NT target.
NT stood for "New Technology". Miscosoft said so back then. I remember it pretty well. The earliest reference to this I can find is around 1992 on usenet.
Cutler was hired to do NT because VMS, although it was sucky and not unix, WAS reliable. Vaxen only crashed when hardware failed. It was scary.
Ironic isn't it?