The US government has been adamant for a decade that control of the legacy names and numbers will always be on US soil.
I would stake your life and mine that it will always be that way. They've funded it from the beginning and are never going to relinquish control to a bunch of furriners.
For better or worse it's predictable and there are worse things than the US congress as oversight which is the way it works now (ICANN --> DoC --> congress).
"So I pay my $34.95 a year for each of them, and I haven't had any problems of any kind in the ten years or so I've had them."
Same here.
I have maybe a dozen domains, most of which I've had for over a decade. I leave one or two at netsol and the rest are at 3 or 4 of the largest registrars. The netsol ones are the only ones I've never had trouble with.
I'm going to have to waste a few hours today unfucking a problem with enom that cannot be addressed with their website that is a 5 minute process to fix with netsol. What's your time worth? I dunno about you but the $10-$15 I saved by using enom just went out the window.
"Personally we should go back to $100 with a money pot that reinvest $90 of that to infrastructure or something of the sort.
Problem is that the money rarely goes where you think it's going. Too many people find ways to dip their hands into any revenue stream."
Ah yes, the intellectual infrastruture fund.
Back when the NSF directed netsol to begin charging for domains (to be more clear, the NSF set the price, not netsol) one third of that $100 was set aside in a fund for "intellectual infrastructure". What is that? People. It was specifically meant to "keep the IETF process pure" - it was meant for workshops, paying for people to attend technical meetings that coiuld not otherwise afford to go and the like.
My source for this was NSF staffer Don Mitchell whose name you'll find on the early NSF/Netsol contracts.
People from all over the world paid into this fund for years.
What happened to it? As a result of lobbying the early ICANN wonks got congress to give it to their pet projects - internet2 which was of benefet only to US universities.
Closer. It was ISI within USC and this really meant Jon Postel - the voice and ears but Joyce Reynolds really did all the work. DARPA funded this. Netsols contract was with the NSF. The NSF picked up IANA's contract when the DARPA fudning ran out.
If it were me I'd scrap ICANN and let Paul Vixie and Brian Reid @ISC run it. They're the only people in the world I trust to do this.
"ICANN: Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers.
They dish out IPs and run DNS.
What exactly do they want immunity from?"
Lawsuits.
You'll never get immunity from things like DHS and "issues of national security". Netsol was threatened once with being taken over by the army if they ever did anyuthing to displease the USG and their alternative root servers never saw the light of day. But I saw (and touched) them.
Keep in mind this is an organization so secretive it's only elected director had to sue to get access to the books. Can you imagine a company keeping its books secret from an elected director?
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"You know how animals like deer and cattle innately understand when a natural disaster is coming and instinctively seek safer ground?
It might be something like that."
More like roaches scurrying when the light is turned on.
That light of day can be a pesky thing - it makes all sorts of things visible.
"Yeah, I can see the US gov't just sitting by quietly while that happened."
They absolutely will not let it happen. DARPA paid for development of this and it's been run under government contract forever - the USG will never let go of the addressing system.
You want to make your own? Fine, go ahead, but the USG owns the legacy names and numbers.
Which isn't bad really, there is congressional oversight over it. Compared to no oversight it's the lessor of two evils.
Keep in mind they wanted to be a Swiss organization since the inception (and even earlier with the IAHC debacle) and the USG made it clear in private that will never be allowed to happen.
I smell Bob Shaw and the ITU around this. He was the original impetus and and now works behind the scenes with the GAC in what has become the antithesis of an "open and transparent" organization.
Don't drink the kool aid. Do your homework. Look up the way they're supposed to operate (a major disconnect from what they do) and work towards getting congress to do just that.
Keep in mind as well this bloated $30M/yr beurocracy replaces a $15/K contract that Jon Postel used to do part time (and did a MUCH better job).
Rolling your own root would probably be a good idea too. You can do it in an evening and then you're immune from this crap.
"Lets face it, the reason why a lot of people are driving big SUV's and suffering with 20 MPG highway 15 MPG city is because of the marvelous 5 STAR safety rating these vehicles provide."
"WASHINGTON (CNN) - The nation's top-selling vehicle, the Ford F-150 pickup truck, fared poorly in high-speed crash tests, according to a new study of large pickup trucks by the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety, which found the results ranged from good to poor for other makes and models.
In 40 mph tests, the institute characterized the safety performance of the Ford F-150 and Dodge Ram as poor. In the case of the F-150, the institute said it's about as "bad as it gets."
I'm not sure how much credability I give the three quoted articles.
They seem to say "biofuels are a disaster" and point to corn (for ethonal) and palm oil.
Castro blasted the US recently about using corn for fuel saying it will starve people. Huge oil deposits were just found off Cuba inside Cuban territory. He's got an econimic incentive.
Af for the pal oil argument the single salient point ther seems to be if we clear more land to plant palm oil trees we're releasing carbon. Yeah. Once. After that it's a way to cheaply and efficiently convery sunlight and shit into fuel. Hellooooo?
I have a friend whose a farmer. Like all farmers he's complaining about the rediculously low price he gets for corn and soybeans (which can be used to make ethonol and diesel) to the point where it pays $10 more a ton to haul garbage than he gets for a ton of corn. It's not possible to have both farmrs near bankrupcy because of the low price they get and be running out of food because the price of food is so high now. Helloooooo?
I have a couple of acres here. With a heavy horse and plow I could grow enough soy to run my diesel car for a year off this land.
That big oil companies cant figure out the economics of renewable resources that anybody can grow comes as no great shock.
Don't drink the kool-aid. All I've read so far is rantings; the UK article was the fairest and pointed out the article in question had not been peer reviewed yet.
I have much greater faith in the ingenuity of mankind than in the largesse of oil companies.
Ay, carumba. For the record I was there the day xxx was born and have followed this with interest although I have no relationship with the xxx people other than I've men them and we tal every couple of years. They're locals.
Putting.xxx in alternaitve roots was an idea that was tried for a while. The xxx people feel than their inclusion ni alt.roots jeopardizes the "icann process". Never mind the icann process means getting bitch slapped because other world governments (through the "GAC") have told icann ni no uncertain terms that this biotch will never see the light of day.
The xxx folks have only spent a million anf a half on this. Their adversaries spent 100X that in 98 alone. I dropped out of the fruitless folly known as icann watching years ago but updates from a mutual attorney friend. I'm surprised they haven't publicized some of the dirty shite that has gone on behind the scenes in opposition to this tld but I suppose they don't want to upset the apple card.
Then there's.web which Jon Postel himself said "go ahead and deploy" in 98 and Darth Cerf recognized in 2000. 10 years later... nada.
Keep in mind xxx had passed icann approval and was sent to DoC for inclusion into the legacy root and Carl Rove himself had it shut down as a favour to the religous right 2 years ago. Suddenly other governments voiced objection to it who hadn't before.
This shit is news? People have behaved like dangerous lunatics on the network at least since I joined in the mid 80s. Wait... I didn't mean it like that.
This happened two weeks ago to a friend of mine, Jim, who called me in outrage and explained:
He geows and collects orchids and has phytosanitary (ie, the proper) permits to import flasks of seedlings into Canada from the US.
Now, most sellers won't/can't ship to Canada, but that's alright, we both know a guy that lives in Buffalo, Dick, that receves these shipments then they're collected by Jim from Buffalo and he walks them through customs with the proper forms and the flasks are imported legally and properly.
Last time he did this he got won some auctions for plants, as well as flasks of seedlings - the plants were a gift for the guy in Buffalo for his trouble.
Last week he had a guy from the Ministry of the Environment that explained to him when he showed up at Jim's house than Jime has a permit to import flasks but not plants and he bought some plants and they know this because they saw it on ebay. The catch is ebay had had to have given the MoE this Jim's contact data as there is nobody else who has it and no other way to get it.
So apparantly ebay cooperating with the IRS might be news but ebay cooperating with any gov official that walks in and asks for data is already happening.
(My friends simply had to show the plants in question were delivered to the US and stayed there which was easy)
They've been behind for a while and have made some pretty hfty payments and seem to be stalled over five grand.
From icann's letter:
III. Accreditation Fee Breaches Under section 3.9 of the RAA, ICANN-accredited registrars are obligated to pay yearly and variable fees to ICANN in a timely fashion. This portion of the notice of breach concerns Registerflys obligations under section 3.9 of the RAA, under which Registerfly agreed to timely pay its accreditation fees. Despite this agreement, Registerfly has a substantial outstanding balance to ICANN that it has failed to pay. On 10 October 2006, ICANN notified Registerfly that it had an outstanding balance of $131,422.86 in fees immediately due to ICANN, of which $44,985.16 was over 90 days past due. A month later, on 10 November 2006, ICANN had not received any response from Registerfly. Mike Zupke called Glenn Stansbury to inquire as to why Registerfly was not paying its invoices to ICANN. Mr. Stansbury reported that he was unaware of this issue. Kevin Medina then called Mr. Zupke and claimed to be unaware of the issue but promised to wire $49,000 ICANN that week and another $44,000 at the beginning of the next week. During that conversation, Mr. Zupke expressed to Mr. Medina that failure to pay ICANN invoices is a breach of Registerflys RAA that, if unresolved, could result in proceedings to terminate Registerfly's accreditation. On 4 December 2006, ICANN received a wire transfer from Registerfly in the amount of $70,000. ICANN received an additional $59,999 the next day. On both 11 December and 19 December 2006, ICANN requested from Mr. Stansbury and Mr. Medina payment of Registerflys remaining balance. Mr. Medina promised that payment would be made on 22 December 2006. No payment was received. ICANN again requested payment of the outstanding balance on 9 January 2007 and 2 February 2007. To date, $5,423.86 remains outstanding, and is over 60 days past due.
"Open source is so much more than Linux these days"
Maybe I'm just old and cranky but I find this really annoying given that my own involvement with what is now called Open Source predates Linux by 15 years.
If it'd said unix I think it would have been more meaningfull. Linux schminux.
If anything, RAID should make your hard disk access a lot faster."
Uh sorta. Depends on the raid type. Striped will be faster, mirrored will be about as fast, raid 5 is gonna be the slowest, even in hardware. I have numbers on my other computer of comparing the same disk operations with the same drives in various configurations.
I agree you don't need expensive hardware. 80 and 160 mb/s stuff is pretty cheap now and 9 or 10 of those is fun enough for any pc.
"I didn't see any mention of it in the article, and I don't feel like digging 'round the net to check, but who's guessing this is basically a vm or wraps a vm around the app?"
I was assuming it was an API. If so I have code I'd like to port to it but I'm not seeing in any of the articles a URL for docs, an API, how this thing gets sold to customers or prices.
It wasn't THAT long ago that I had to disable javascript on every web browser I used or my computer(s) would lock up. These days it seems to work.
The problem with Java as I saw it is unbelievably bloated. No, I don't want to download the extra 12 megs of java interpreter. And at the end of the day, where we're at now, most things can be done in Javascript.
Java came. Java went. It shall not be missed any more than Cadol II was.
"Does anybody remember ever paying $100+ for a domain in Network Solutions (InterNIC)? And you had to buy 2 years contracts? God, I feel old..."
No, old is when you remember emailing templates off to the SRI nic.
Ironically, netsol is - other that price - one of the better registrars. A lot of the unpredictable weirdnesses with small registrars don't happen at nesol. But they are expensive.
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The US government has been adamant for a decade that control of the legacy names and numbers will always be on US soil.
I would stake your life and mine that it will always be that way. They've funded it from the beginning and are never going to relinquish control to a bunch of furriners.
For better or worse it's predictable and there are worse things than the US congress as oversight which is the way it works now (ICANN --> DoC --> congress).
"This must really be pissing off the domain squatters."
Why?
They buy domains for $6 and as long as each name makes more than $6 they're happy. Now each domain
has to make 40 cents more.
Man. I bet they're all out of business overnight. Not.
"So I pay my $34.95 a year for each of them, and I haven't had any problems of any kind in the ten years or so I've had them."
Same here.
I have maybe a dozen domains, most of which I've had for over a decade. I leave one or two at netsol and the rest are at 3 or 4 of the largest registrars. The netsol ones are the only ones I've never had trouble with.
I'm going to have to waste a few hours today unfucking a problem with enom that cannot be addressed with their website that is a 5 minute process to fix with netsol. What's your time worth? I dunno about you but the $10-$15 I saved by using enom just went out the window.
"Personally we should go back to $100 with a money pot that reinvest $90 of that to infrastructure or something of the sort.
Problem is that the money rarely goes where you think it's going. Too many people find ways to dip their hands into any revenue stream."
Ah yes, the intellectual infrastruture fund.
Back when the NSF directed netsol to begin charging for domains (to be more clear, the NSF set the price, not netsol) one third of that $100 was set aside in a fund for "intellectual infrastructure". What is that? People. It was specifically meant to "keep the IETF process pure" - it was meant for workshops, paying for people to attend technical meetings that coiuld not otherwise afford to go and the like.
My source for this was NSF staffer Don Mitchell whose name you'll find on the early NSF/Netsol contracts.
People from all over the world paid into this fund for years.
What happened to it? As a result of lobbying the early ICANN wonks got congress to give it to their pet projects - internet2 which was of benefet only to US universities.
So lets not do that again shall we?
"I'd still like to relocate them out of the control of the US government, though."
We all want things.
For better or worse the legacy names/numbers are a USG asset and that isn't ever going to change. The key is to put the right people in charge of it.
Closer. It was ISI within USC and this really meant Jon Postel - the voice and ears but Joyce Reynolds really did all the work. DARPA funded this. Netsols contract was with the NSF. The NSF picked up IANA's contract when the DARPA fudning ran out.
If it were me I'd scrap ICANN and let Paul Vixie and Brian Reid @ISC run it. They're the only people in the world I trust to do this.
"ICANN: Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers.
They dish out IPs and run DNS.
What exactly do they want immunity from?"
Lawsuits.
You'll never get immunity from things like DHS and "issues of national security". Netsol was threatened once with being taken over by the army if they ever did anyuthing to displease the USG and their alternative root servers never saw the light of day. But I saw (and touched) them.
Keep in mind this is an organization so secretive it's only elected director had to sue to get access to the books. Can you imagine a company keeping its books secret from an elected director?
"You know how animals like deer and cattle innately understand when a natural disaster is coming and instinctively seek safer ground?
It might be something like that."
More like roaches scurrying when the light is turned on.
That light of day can be a pesky thing - it makes all sorts of things visible.
"Yeah, I can see the US gov't just sitting by quietly while that happened."
They absolutely will not let it happen. DARPA paid for development of this and it's been run under government contract forever - the USG will never let go of the addressing system.
You want to make your own? Fine, go ahead, but the USG owns the legacy names and numbers.
Which isn't bad really, there is congressional oversight over it. Compared to no oversight it's the lessor of two evils.
Keep in mind they wanted to be a Swiss organization since the inception (and even earlier with the IAHC debacle) and the USG made it clear in private that will never be allowed to happen.
I smell Bob Shaw and the ITU around this. He was the original impetus and and now works behind the scenes with the GAC in what has become the antithesis of an "open and transparent" organization.
Don't drink the kool aid. Do your homework. Look up the way they're supposed to operate (a major disconnect from what they do) and work towards getting congress to do just that.
Keep in mind as well this bloated $30M/yr beurocracy replaces a $15/K contract that Jon Postel used to do part time (and did a MUCH better job).
Rolling your own root would probably be a good idea too. You can do it in an evening and then you're immune from this crap.
"Lets face it, the reason why a lot of people are driving big SUV's and suffering with 20 MPG highway 15 MPG city is because of the marvelous 5 STAR safety rating these vehicles provide."
_ crash/
C ooperVsFordF150
As if.
http://money.cnn.com/2001/06/04/home_auto/pickups
"WASHINGTON (CNN) - The nation's top-selling vehicle, the Ford F-150 pickup truck, fared poorly in high-speed crash tests, according to a new study of large pickup trucks by the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety, which found the results ranged from good to poor for other makes and models.
In 40 mph tests, the institute characterized the safety performance of the Ford F-150 and Dodge Ram as poor. In the case of the F-150, the institute said it's about as "bad as it gets."
A mini cooper is safer in an accident.
http://www.bridger.us/2002/12/16/CrashTestingMINI
"Most "international" words are quite easy to translate, just replace every c in English with a k for German."
Fukk you?
I'm not sure how much credability I give the three quoted articles.
They seem to say "biofuels are a disaster" and point to corn (for ethonal) and palm oil.
Castro blasted the US recently about using corn for fuel saying it will starve people. Huge oil deposits were just found off Cuba inside Cuban territory. He's got an econimic incentive.
Af for the pal oil argument the single salient point ther seems to be if we clear more land to plant palm oil trees we're releasing carbon. Yeah. Once. After that it's a way to cheaply and efficiently convery sunlight and shit into fuel. Hellooooo?
I have a friend whose a farmer. Like all farmers he's complaining about the rediculously low price he gets for corn and soybeans (which can be used to make ethonol and diesel) to the point where it pays $10 more a ton to haul garbage than he gets for a ton of corn. It's not possible to have both farmrs near bankrupcy because of the low price they get and be running out of food because the price of food is so high now. Helloooooo?
I have a couple of acres here. With a heavy horse and plow I could grow enough soy to run my diesel car for a year off this land.
That big oil companies cant figure out the economics of renewable resources that anybody can grow comes as no great shock.
Don't drink the kool-aid. All I've read so far is rantings; the UK article was the fairest and pointed out the article in question had not been peer reviewed yet.
I have much greater faith in the ingenuity of mankind than in the largesse of oil companies.
Ay, carumba. For the record I was there the day xxx was born and have followed this with interest although I have no relationship with the xxx people other than I've men them and we tal every couple of years. They're locals.
.xxx in alternaitve roots was an idea that was tried for a while. The xxx people feel than their inclusion ni alt.roots jeopardizes the "icann process". Never mind the icann process means getting bitch slapped because other world governments (through the "GAC") have told icann ni no uncertain terms that this biotch will never see the light of day.
.web which Jon Postel himself said "go ahead and deploy" in 98 and Darth Cerf recognized in 2000. 10 years later... nada.
Putting
The xxx folks have only spent a million anf a half on this. Their adversaries spent 100X that in 98 alone. I dropped out of the fruitless folly known as icann watching years ago but updates from a mutual attorney friend. I'm surprised they haven't publicized some of the dirty shite that has gone on behind the scenes in opposition to this tld but I suppose they don't want to upset the apple card.
Then there's
Keep in mind xxx had passed icann approval and was sent to DoC for inclusion into the legacy root and Carl Rove himself had it shut down as a favour to the religous right 2 years ago. Suddenly other governments voiced objection to it who hadn't before.
But I'm sure that's just a coincidence.
No shit. This is all over $30?
*cough*bunch of whiners*cough*
This shit is news? People have behaved like dangerous lunatics on the network at least since I joined in the mid 80s. Wait... I didn't mean it like that.
Who can forget Geoffrey Dahlmers post to news:alt.tasteless?
These yobs today are just amateurs.
(Is "blogosphere" an abbreviation for "self absorbed wankers let off steam" ?)
This happened two weeks ago to a friend of mine, Jim, who called me in outrage and explained:
He geows and collects orchids and has phytosanitary (ie, the proper) permits to import
flasks of seedlings into Canada from the US.
Now, most sellers won't/can't ship to Canada, but that's alright, we both know a guy
that lives in Buffalo, Dick, that receves these shipments then they're collected by Jim from Buffalo
and he walks them through customs with the proper forms and the flasks are imported legally and properly.
Last time he did this he got won some auctions for plants, as well as flasks of
seedlings - the plants were a gift for the guy in Buffalo for his trouble.
Last week he had a guy from the Ministry of the Environment that explained to him when he showed up
at Jim's house than Jime has a permit to import flasks but not plants and he bought some plants and
they know this because they saw it on ebay. The catch is ebay had had to have
given the MoE this Jim's contact data as there is nobody else who has it and no
other way to get it.
So apparantly ebay cooperating with the IRS might be news but ebay cooperating
with any gov official that walks in and asks for data is already happening.
(My friends simply had to show the plants in question were delivered to the US
and stayed there which was easy)
"Isn't it a nice coincidence"
No, it's not.
They've been behind for a while and have made some pretty hfty payments and seem to be stalled over five grand.
From icann's letter:
III. Accreditation Fee Breaches
Under section 3.9 of the RAA, ICANN-accredited registrars are obligated to pay yearly and
variable fees to ICANN in a timely fashion. This portion of the notice of breach concerns
Registerflys obligations under section 3.9 of the RAA, under which Registerfly agreed to timely
pay its accreditation fees. Despite this agreement, Registerfly has a substantial outstanding
balance to ICANN that it has failed to pay.
On 10 October 2006, ICANN notified Registerfly that it had an outstanding balance of
$131,422.86 in fees immediately due to ICANN, of which $44,985.16 was over 90 days past
due. A month later, on 10 November 2006, ICANN had not received any response from
Registerfly. Mike Zupke called Glenn Stansbury to inquire as to why Registerfly was not paying
its invoices to ICANN. Mr. Stansbury reported that he was unaware of this issue. Kevin Medina
then called Mr. Zupke and claimed to be unaware of the issue but promised to wire $49,000
ICANN that week and another $44,000 at the beginning of the next week. During that
conversation, Mr. Zupke expressed to Mr. Medina that failure to pay ICANN invoices is a breach
of Registerflys RAA that, if unresolved, could result in proceedings to terminate Registerfly's
accreditation.
On 4 December 2006, ICANN received a wire transfer from Registerfly in the amount of
$70,000. ICANN received an additional $59,999 the next day. On both 11 December and 19
December 2006, ICANN requested from Mr. Stansbury and Mr. Medina payment of
Registerflys remaining balance. Mr. Medina promised that payment would be made on 22
December 2006. No payment was received. ICANN again requested payment of the
outstanding balance on 9 January 2007 and 2 February 2007. To date, $5,423.86 remains
outstanding, and is over 60 days past due.
"Open source is so much more than Linux these days"
Maybe I'm just old and cranky but I find this really annoying given that my own involvement with what is now called Open Source predates Linux by 15 years.
If it'd said unix I think it would have been more meaningfull. Linux schminux.
"Is that the one that says the number of lawsuits he's filing against Wikipedia has tripled in the last six months?"
Unprecedented in the 759 years of American History. When Wikipedia was formed at the Magna Carta Summit I'm sure they never thought this would happen.
"None of the privates have reached orbit."
Yeah but there was this girl I once knew and baby, my privates were in heaven.
If anything, RAID should make your hard disk access a lot faster."
Uh sorta. Depends on the raid type. Striped will be faster, mirrored will be about as fast, raid 5 is gonna be the slowest, even in hardware. I have numbers on my other computer of comparing the same disk operations with the same drives in various configurations.
I agree you don't need expensive hardware. 80 and 160 mb/s stuff is pretty cheap now and 9 or 10 of those is fun enough for
any pc.
Godwin said it in 91. I said it in 89. Lesson learned: never let a lawyer take your best lines.
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http://groups.google.com/group/news.groups/msg/b5
"I didn't see any mention of it in the article, and I don't feel like digging 'round the net to check, but who's guessing this is basically a vm or wraps a vm around the app?"
I was assuming it was an API. If so I have code I'd like to port to it but I'm not seeing in any of the articles a URL for docs, an API, how this thing gets sold to customers or prices.
It wasn't THAT long ago that I had to disable javascript on every web browser I used or my computer(s) would lock up. These days it seems to work.
The problem with Java as I saw it is unbelievably bloated. No, I don't want to download the extra 12 megs of java interpreter. And at the end of the day, where we're at now, most things can be done in Javascript.
Java came. Java went. It shall not be missed any more than Cadol II was.
"Does anybody remember ever paying $100+ for a domain in Network Solutions (InterNIC)? And you had to buy 2 years contracts? God, I feel old..."
No, old is when you remember emailing templates off to the SRI nic.
Ironically, netsol is - other that price - one of the better registrars. A lot of the unpredictable weirdnesses with small registrars don't happen at nesol. But they are expensive.