Well, did Vista capable mean it could run ANY version of Vista, or a version of Vista? I'm not sure things are so clear. I suspect the managers got what they wanted; the dev team make many improvements, but at the cost of compatability in some cases. Fortunately, I haven't hit any of those issues.
A dog stepping on a cable sounds like a more "permanent" run. I wouldnt worry about the dog for the occasional guest. Besides guests are what 802.11 is for...
Again, why not just have the government own the lines, and they determine a price? That would be better, because unlike the telcos, they wouldn't charge $400 per customer, just what they need. So we get your same result, but cheaper.
So much hate directed defenseless kids. That is sad.
Actually it's not at the kids, they are just collateral. The real problem is their parents, that think the world should change because they are lazy, irresponsible and selfish. Lazy, expecting OTHERS to raise their kids, irresponsible because they usually can't afford the kids they have, and selfish because they don't care that by taking their infant to an R rated movie is ruining everyone elses time.
On the bright side, you have self selected yourself out of the gene pool and for that I am eternally grateful.
Yup, I wouldn't feel right bringing kids in this world to deal with all the other stupid subhuman kids that are being raised by increasingly stupid people today. Honestly, 19 year olds that can't do basic math? Have fun "depending" on those morons when you're old. I plan to take care of myself.
Wow, you guys really know how to miss a point. On one hand we have you dumbasses saying "we can't possibly alter the earth in any signficant way." Then there are the rest of us that remember that we can blow up the earth, every square inch, 20 times over with the nuclear weapons we have. Kinda flies in the face of your theory doesn't it?
I'd be willing to bet that in 10 or maybe 20 years global warming won't even be in the news... kinda like the last world-ending apocalypse Al Gore was predicting from the ozone hole... which was also never concretely linked to anything man was doing.
Actually it was; since CFCs were banned, the ozone hole has slowed in its growth.
Since my kids will be the ones paying for your pension
Pension? What's that? Do any companies even offer that anymore? I haven't seen any. Maybe you mean SSI? The ponzi scheme which will be bankrupt after my parents' generation retires? No... hmm, sorry, I don't see your kids paying for me.
I'll call that a fair trade
I don't. I earn my own living. Enough of your garbage where you somehow think that YOUR kids are so fucking important. They're not, they can die tomorrow, and I'd never know.
You can wish they would shut up or go away now and in a few decades, they can wish you would take up smoking and mountain climbing.
You assume I'll be interfering in their life somehow. I won't be. Keep your brats at home and stop ruining the country because you're too selfish to give anything up and expect everyone else to do your job.
He was really angry when he went back for a visit with his kids and a restaurant wouldn't let him eat there if he brought them in.
What kind of restraunt? Probably a high class one. Personally, if I'm dropping a significant amount of cash per plate, I don't want to have to listen to someone else's screaming brats.
I wish there were more restraunts here that excluded children, as they can ruin an otherwise good experience.
People like you make me laugh. We're destroying our own environment, and thus our chances for survival, and your solution is to do nothing?
Oh right, you dismiss a majority consensus of scientists because you don't like what they say, feeling that we can't possibly have that much influence. Nevermind that we can render large portions of the planet uninhabitable, unless we're ok with mutations and cancer.
Microsoft dominated the desktop market because 1) they had the best upward compatibility from DOS, 2) went out and wooed developers to develop for Windows, and 3) went out and wooed hardware developers. With the compatibility path in their pocket, they then leveraged that to "encourage" hardware manufacturers to only sell Windows.
MS also sold a unix OS for PCs too, but people choose DOS over that OS. Personally, I'd rather sell two products instead of betting the cow on one, but I suspect that unix for PCs wasn't viable at that time.
Unix dominated the server market primarily because it was the first operating system written in a high-level language (C). That allowed it to be ported to a wide variety of hardware, giving it broad-based support. Over the years, it got continually upgraded with new features and standards.
Being developed in C may be why one of the compaints of MS' PC unix being slow. At any rate, that was then, and today NT is also written in C and could probably be run on a wide varity of hardware as well. Windows Embedded exists for this, and from I've read its slowly catching on.
No one it out there forcing people to adopt Unix -- when it comes to embedded systems or supercomputers, the operating system is of second concern. Yet, Unix is consistently chosen because of its flexibility.
No one is forcing people to adopt Windows, and certainly not outside the desktop market. Yet it does seem to be gaining traction, just as IIS is gaining traction as a web server.
Well, if people are doomed to "recode" unix because they don't know it, that certainly implies that every OS "evolves" into Unix. From wha I understand, the NT kernel is fairly small and modular as well. Why do you call it a rats nest?
So, when MS' OS dominate a market, it's because they have a monopoly or "got lucky" at the right time. When Unix does, its because its superior and we shouldn't bother developing other kernels?
First, no one would care about the internet if DOS didn't bring computers into companies and more importantly, homes. No one was buying Unix on PCs when DOS was around.
Nobody would haven't spent the money on a computer, however, if there was no Internet for them to connect to.
What nonsense. People starting buying computers in the last 80s. The internet played an important part by creating a "must have" which boosted sales later, but to say no one was spending money on home computers is just stupidity. Quite a few people had 286s in their houses. And that was after companies like Commadore and Amiga were selling home computers as well.
At any rate, you completely missed my point, which was my questioning of this assumption that we shouldn't try building other kernels, that all kernels must function like the Unix kernel. Go read the post to which I replied and then see that your comments were irrelevent.
Unix has been chugging along doing "real work" since before the first version of MS-DOS was _bought_ from it's original author.
Sorry, did I say otherwise? No I didn't. It's also irrelevent to the point I was making.
The fact that you are too much of a rube to know it was around is not relevant. It still allowed you to make completely baseless claims in public forums.
Linux isn't Unix, it's a "Unix-like" OS. And other kernels can do just as well serving "public forums." Again, what's your point here?
This is a discussion about CORPORATE COMPUTING not some stupid desktop toys.
No, it's a discussion about why the OP thinks that the Unix kernel is perfect and seems to think that no others should exist. FWIW, COPPORATE COMPUTING didn't start becoming popular until DOS came along and MS marketed it.
MS also had a Unix kernel that it tried to sell too, but nobody wanted it.
My god, the Unix kernel isn't the be all end all of OSes. What is with this attitude that Unix was the best? Unix didn't get computers infront of just about everyone, it just about rotted and died in universities and research companies.
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Oh, you know what would happen. People would complain about an "upgrade treadmill everyone is forced upon."
There's a difference between "we'd like it to be more compatible and run on lower hardware specs" and "Vista just sucks."
Well, did Vista capable mean it could run ANY version of Vista, or a version of Vista? I'm not sure things are so clear. I suspect the managers got what they wanted; the dev team make many improvements, but at the cost of compatability in some cases. Fortunately, I haven't hit any of those issues.
A dog stepping on a cable sounds like a more "permanent" run. I wouldnt worry about the dog for the occasional guest. Besides guests are what 802.11 is for...
Sorry, why would you leave any cables out where people can step on them?
The slashdot summary just about nailed it.
So, are we at the start of the end times now?
Again, why not just have the government own the lines, and they determine a price? That would be better, because unlike the telcos, they wouldn't charge $400 per customer, just what they need. So we get your same result, but cheaper.
RIT and Northeastern have pretty strong output. You might try them first.
:-)
As an RIT alum, I'll vouche for that school.
If you're going to do that, why not just have the local government own the lines outright?
I'm really glad my city is rolling out its own fiber lines, because Verizon and Adelphia/Comcast have done nothing to provide better service.
So much hate directed defenseless kids. That is sad.
Actually it's not at the kids, they are just collateral. The real problem is their parents, that think the world should change because they are lazy, irresponsible and selfish. Lazy, expecting OTHERS to raise their kids, irresponsible because they usually can't afford the kids they have, and selfish because they don't care that by taking their infant to an R rated movie is ruining everyone elses time.
On the bright side, you have self selected yourself out of the gene pool and for that I am eternally grateful.
Yup, I wouldn't feel right bringing kids in this world to deal with all the other stupid subhuman kids that are being raised by increasingly stupid people today. Honestly, 19 year olds that can't do basic math? Have fun "depending" on those morons when you're old. I plan to take care of myself.
Fine, kill all the intelligent people.
Wow, you guys really know how to miss a point. On one hand we have you dumbasses saying "we can't possibly alter the earth in any signficant way." Then there are the rest of us that remember that we can blow up the earth, every square inch, 20 times over with the nuclear weapons we have. Kinda flies in the face of your theory doesn't it?
I'd be willing to bet that in 10 or maybe 20 years global warming won't even be in the news... kinda like the last world-ending apocalypse Al Gore was predicting from the ozone hole... which was also never concretely linked to anything man was doing.
Actually it was; since CFCs were banned, the ozone hole has slowed in its growth.
But please ignore whatever you want.
Since my kids will be the ones paying for your pension
Pension? What's that? Do any companies even offer that anymore? I haven't seen any. Maybe you mean SSI? The ponzi scheme which will be bankrupt after my parents' generation retires? No... hmm, sorry, I don't see your kids paying for me.
I'll call that a fair trade
I don't. I earn my own living. Enough of your garbage where you somehow think that YOUR kids are so fucking important. They're not, they can die tomorrow, and I'd never know.
You can wish they would shut up or go away now and in a few decades, they can wish you would take up smoking and mountain climbing.
You assume I'll be interfering in their life somehow. I won't be. Keep your brats at home and stop ruining the country because you're too selfish to give anything up and expect everyone else to do your job.
What makes you think I want kids of my own?
He was really angry when he went back for a visit with his kids and a restaurant wouldn't let him eat there if he brought them in.
What kind of restraunt? Probably a high class one. Personally, if I'm dropping a significant amount of cash per plate, I don't want to have to listen to someone else's screaming brats.
I wish there were more restraunts here that excluded children, as they can ruin an otherwise good experience.
People like you make me laugh. We're destroying our own environment, and thus our chances for survival, and your solution is to do nothing?
Oh right, you dismiss a majority consensus of scientists because you don't like what they say, feeling that we can't possibly have that much influence. Nevermind that we can render large portions of the planet uninhabitable, unless we're ok with mutations and cancer.
Microsoft dominated the desktop market because 1) they had the best upward compatibility from DOS, 2) went out and wooed developers to develop for Windows, and 3) went out and wooed hardware developers. With the compatibility path in their pocket, they then leveraged that to "encourage" hardware manufacturers to only sell Windows.
MS also sold a unix OS for PCs too, but people choose DOS over that OS. Personally, I'd rather sell two products instead of betting the cow on one, but I suspect that unix for PCs wasn't viable at that time.
Unix dominated the server market primarily because it was the first operating system written in a high-level language (C). That allowed it to be ported to a wide variety of hardware, giving it broad-based support. Over the years, it got continually upgraded with new features and standards.
Being developed in C may be why one of the compaints of MS' PC unix being slow. At any rate, that was then, and today NT is also written in C and could probably be run on a wide varity of hardware as well. Windows Embedded exists for this, and from I've read its slowly catching on.
No one it out there forcing people to adopt Unix -- when it comes to embedded systems or supercomputers, the operating system is of second concern. Yet, Unix is consistently chosen because of its flexibility.
No one is forcing people to adopt Windows, and certainly not outside the desktop market. Yet it does seem to be gaining traction, just as IIS is gaining traction as a web server.
Well, if people are doomed to "recode" unix because they don't know it, that certainly implies that every OS "evolves" into Unix. From wha I understand, the NT kernel is fairly small and modular as well. Why do you call it a rats nest?
So, when MS' OS dominate a market, it's because they have a monopoly or "got lucky" at the right time. When Unix does, its because its superior and we shouldn't bother developing other kernels?
First, no one would care about the internet if DOS didn't bring computers into companies and more importantly, homes. No one was buying Unix on PCs when DOS was around.
Nobody would haven't spent the money on a computer, however, if there was no Internet for them to connect to.
What nonsense. People starting buying computers in the last 80s. The internet played an important part by creating a "must have" which boosted sales later, but to say no one was spending money on home computers is just stupidity. Quite a few people had 286s in their houses. And that was after companies like Commadore and Amiga were selling home computers as well.
At any rate, you completely missed my point, which was my questioning of this assumption that we shouldn't try building other kernels, that all kernels must function like the Unix kernel. Go read the post to which I replied and then see that your comments were irrelevent.
Unix has been chugging along doing "real work" since
before the first version of MS-DOS was _bought_ from
it's original author.
Sorry, did I say otherwise? No I didn't. It's also irrelevent to the point I was making.
The fact that you are too much of a rube to know it
was around is not relevant. It still allowed you to
make completely baseless claims in public forums.
Linux isn't Unix, it's a "Unix-like" OS. And other kernels can do just as well serving "public forums." Again, what's your point here?
This is a discussion about CORPORATE COMPUTING not some stupid desktop toys.
No, it's a discussion about why the OP thinks that the Unix kernel is perfect and seems to think that no others should exist. FWIW, COPPORATE COMPUTING didn't start becoming popular until DOS came along and MS marketed it.
MS also had a Unix kernel that it tried to sell too, but nobody wanted it.
No, its a fancy way of keeping the government from holding a gun to your head while you're saying "I'm guilty."
Yes, I should have added that I only have LCDs now.
My god, the Unix kernel isn't the be all end all of OSes. What is with this attitude that Unix was the best? Unix didn't get computers infront of just about everyone, it just about rotted and died in universities and research companies.
Because no one wants to waste desk space with that? My monitor takes up less space.