You keep saying "brain chemistry screwed up" as if that was definately the cause. We don't know what causes depression. For all we know, the chemistry is another symptom, not the cause. Look it up... all we have are theories as to the cause.
What you are describing is not a deficiency in the ability to reason. Focusing on the negative is an emotional feedback cycle.
You realize that emotion and reason are pretty much opposites right? As it, its not reasonble to focus only on negatives, hence it is emotional?
The problem is entirely different, you are entirely without understanding, and I am entirely unmotivated to give it to you. If you want to know more about psychology, psychiatry, or brain function in general, I suggest talking with an expert in those fields, which you clearly are not.
Ya, and you are? Please, don't pretend to understand something you clearly don't. I'm sure that an expert would say this is your way of backing out without you having to admit you are wrong.
The chemical reactions in the brain thagt cause depression are pretty well known. It's chemical issue.
No, sorry. Read the study. We don't know what causes depression. Hell, even the TV commercials for anti-depressents tell you that. The chemical imbalance theory is just that. Its just as likely that the chemical imbalance is a symptom, not the cause. We don't know.
Just because it's in your brain, doesn't mean it's really in your control.
To some extent that's true, to a large extent not. Certainly our mood is under our control. Some have been known to control their heartbeat.
You would be suprised at the number of things people do everyday and never know it.
I did say part of it was subconcience; the trick it to make yourself aware of it.
People EAT without knowing it. Snack really. All kinds of things that take a consious outside effort to change.
Nonsense. You know how I know its BS? Because they know RIGHT AWAY when they are out of snack. They choose to pretend they aren't eating as much. There's a reason why writing down what you eat works when you're trying to lose weight... it makes it so you can't lie to yourself, but there's certainly no external force in that... you need to CHOOSE to lose weight, and write down your diet.
Are you suggesting that the fact that SSRIs do nothing supports the assertion that people can just 'think themselves out of depression'?
Read the study again; its not that the pills did nothing, its that the placebo had the same effect as the pills. So yes, certainly seems to suggest you can "think yourself out of it." But remember, some people don't want to.
And you are trivializing those that suffer from clinical depression
Really, how? By stating its something they can largely control themselves, which by the way, the article suggested because the pills are no more effective than the placebo, yet people DID respond to both?
It sounds from this and other comments like some form of self-administered CBT worked to treat your own depression. That's good, and it would be wonderful if that worked for everyone suffering from depression.
Largely because they don't want to. The pills seem to be a way to trick people into making themselves better it would seem. You can't force people to do anything they don't want to.
However, that doesn't mean that your own results will work for everyone else any more than someone whose cancer went away after drinking special mineral water can claim that other cancer victims are just not taking the initiative to drink some mineral water and get on with their lives.
Really? Did you read the study? It even indicated that moderate depression CAN be treeted with CBT.. so why can't severe? My theory is that people with severe depression don't want to be helped, for whatever reason.
Did you look up neurosis? It's a vague "catch-all" for things that "cause distress." Oh, and neurosis don't affect your ability to reason, which is unlike what I described (focusing on the negative is an irrational line of thinking that ignore positives).
Suggesting that depression is self-inflicted by people who would just rather be sad is on par with suggesting that a rape victim was asking for it.
Stop with strawmen already. They are nothing alike; one scenario you have control over, the other someone else is controlling you. How dare you equate the violence of rape with depression; you trivialize those that have been raped.
Anybody who's ever seen anyone suffering from genuine depression (as opposed to feeling down after you lost your job or something) knows that nobody would wish that on themselves any more than they'd wish cancer on themselves.
Speaking as someone that WAS, I agree, but that doesn't mean its not any less in your mind (and actually under your control). The fact that these pills DO NOTHING seem to re-enforce my point, wouldn't you think?
I was just wondering if you could tell us where you went to medical school, or what medical or psychological studies you've conducted.
After you.
There are constructive, non-medicinal, ways to deal with depression such as cognitive behavior therapy, but it's incredibly disingenuous to suggest that depression is self-inflicted by people who would just rather be sad.
So what causes it then? Outside influences? Chemical imbalance? Is that really what you think, that people are just robots bound to some innane chemical reaction that keeps on going? Or is life more than that?
If we're not just a chemical reaction, then what are your reasons that people get depressed? Do you disagree that it's a mental problem, not one caused external influences?
Oh, I speak as someone that was depressed and attempted suicide a few times.. until I finally woke up, and chose not to worry about things I couldn't necessarly change. Been pretty good since then.
I think the idea here - by most of those organizations - is to err on the side of caution.
But we're not "erring on the side of caution." We're doing things that have no impact, except make it acceptable to brand people and track them. So we're not doing anything to solve the problem, and we're introducing new problems. Why is that a good idea?
That being said, most sexual assaults happen from people children know, be it a family member or a neighbor.
Indeed. And given that, maybe we should take children away from their parents and raise them in a state run dorm. After all, we MUST protect the children, right?
In very small steps. They let themselves focus on the negatives and over time this focus causes depression. Subconsciencely, they start acting in ways to self-destruct positives that come along as well. Its not 100% a conscience decision, but a component is. And then they start a self re-enforcing loop.
Ya, its people deciding day after day they really don't want to be happy. That doesn't mean illusionary, but it does mean that you can decide not to be depressed.
Well, I do, and I have to agree. Its a lot of self pity and focusing on what's wrong, and wanting to be depressed. Witness fat people that are depressed because they are fat.. so what do they do.. eat more. Ya, that's someone that wants to be happy.
Let's take human-readable text and turn it into XML, thus destroying its readability.
Huh? How is it not readable? Ever hear of a color coding Xml editor? Xml is great for configuration because 1) you CAN edit it with a text editor and 2) the code to parse xml is everywhere and so the machine can easily parse it as well.
I used to get a lot of brute force SSH attacks as well when I was running a Linux server. I was glad that I ONLY allowed access via public key exchange and not passwords.
A judge can do that if he feels the jury made a wrong decision. I'm not sure if its only in civil cases (which this is) or in criminal cases.. although I think in criminal cases they can only throw out an improper guilty verdict, not an innocent one.
That's HALF LIFE. It's going to be nasty for a lot longer than 300 years.
No, its not the half life. That's how long it will be dangerous. I purposefully misreprsented the article though to see if you'd read it, and clearly you haven't, because there are certain conditions on that 300 years.
And 300 years is a long time as far the human race is concerned. 300 year ago there was no United States, no Israel, no Yugoslavia. No electricity, nothing that used electricity, no internal combustion engines (except for a few steam powered toys).
Your point, exactly? Do you think we'll suddenly say "eh, who cares about that dangerous material" and just start dumping it, or actively digging it up and dumping it? I doubt it. What I find more likely is that with more investment we'll find better ways to neutralize the threat of the waste, and I don't think it will take 300 years, since as you correctly pointed our, our technology has been advancing quite quickly.
They're already doing it; it works.
So what happens to a ship that hits the machinery? Please point me to an article. What are the environmental impacts? Again, any article you have would be good.
You were arguing about PRICE. Speaking of straw men, your straw troll is on fire and I think I'll just let him smolder.
My argument was that the quality is about the same, while the price has gone down. You know, the flip side to leaving steel part behind? I wasn't the one that brought all of that irrevelent crap up, I just played along. So please, you're the last person that should be claiming strawmen. Get a grip, and provide facts, not just your opinion.
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You must be a pretty poor .Net developer if you think its just a wrapper..
In cases of depression, it seems that the emotion does preclude reason.
Have you seen this?
Nuclear plants however are only available in the huge, bulky variation.
Oh really?
You keep saying "brain chemistry screwed up" as if that was definately the cause. We don't know what causes depression. For all we know, the chemistry is another symptom, not the cause. Look it up... all we have are theories as to the cause.
What you are describing is not a deficiency in the ability to reason. Focusing on the negative is an emotional feedback cycle.
You realize that emotion and reason are pretty much opposites right? As it, its not reasonble to focus only on negatives, hence it is emotional?
The problem is entirely different, you are entirely without understanding, and I am entirely unmotivated to give it to you. If you want to know more about psychology, psychiatry, or brain function in general, I suggest talking with an expert in those fields, which you clearly are not.
Ya, and you are? Please, don't pretend to understand something you clearly don't. I'm sure that an expert would say this is your way of backing out without you having to admit you are wrong.
The chemical reactions in the brain thagt cause depression are pretty well known. It's chemical issue.
No, sorry. Read the study. We don't know what causes depression. Hell, even the TV commercials for anti-depressents tell you that. The chemical imbalance theory is just that. Its just as likely that the chemical imbalance is a symptom, not the cause. We don't know.
Just because it's in your brain, doesn't mean it's really in your control.
To some extent that's true, to a large extent not. Certainly our mood is under our control. Some have been known to control their heartbeat.
You would be suprised at the number of things people do everyday and never know it.
I did say part of it was subconcience; the trick it to make yourself aware of it.
People EAT without knowing it. Snack really. All kinds of things that take a consious outside effort to change.
Nonsense. You know how I know its BS? Because they know RIGHT AWAY when they are out of snack. They choose to pretend they aren't eating as much. There's a reason why writing down what you eat works when you're trying to lose weight... it makes it so you can't lie to yourself, but there's certainly no external force in that... you need to CHOOSE to lose weight, and write down your diet.
Are you suggesting that the fact that SSRIs do nothing supports the assertion that people can just 'think themselves out of depression'?
Read the study again; its not that the pills did nothing, its that the placebo had the same effect as the pills. So yes, certainly seems to suggest you can "think yourself out of it." But remember, some people don't want to.
And you are trivializing those that suffer from clinical depression
Really, how? By stating its something they can largely control themselves, which by the way, the article suggested because the pills are no more effective than the placebo, yet people DID respond to both?
It sounds from this and other comments like some form of self-administered CBT worked to treat your own depression. That's good, and it would be wonderful if that worked for everyone suffering from depression.
Largely because they don't want to. The pills seem to be a way to trick people into making themselves better it would seem. You can't force people to do anything they don't want to.
However, that doesn't mean that your own results will work for everyone else any more than someone whose cancer went away after drinking special mineral water can claim that other cancer victims are just not taking the initiative to drink some mineral water and get on with their lives.
Really? Did you read the study? It even indicated that moderate depression CAN be treeted with CBT.. so why can't severe? My theory is that people with severe depression don't want to be helped, for whatever reason.
Did you look up neurosis? It's a vague "catch-all" for things that "cause distress." Oh, and neurosis don't affect your ability to reason, which is unlike what I described (focusing on the negative is an irrational line of thinking that ignore positives).
Suggesting that depression is self-inflicted by people who would just rather be sad is on par with suggesting that a rape victim was asking for it.
Stop with strawmen already. They are nothing alike; one scenario you have control over, the other someone else is controlling you. How dare you equate the violence of rape with depression; you trivialize those that have been raped.
Anybody who's ever seen anyone suffering from genuine depression (as opposed to feeling down after you lost your job or something) knows that nobody would wish that on themselves any more than they'd wish cancer on themselves.
Speaking as someone that WAS, I agree, but that doesn't mean its not any less in your mind (and actually under your control). The fact that these pills DO NOTHING seem to re-enforce my point, wouldn't you think?
I was just wondering if you could tell us where you went to medical school, or what medical or psychological studies you've conducted.
After you.
There are constructive, non-medicinal, ways to deal with depression such as cognitive behavior therapy, but it's incredibly disingenuous to suggest that depression is self-inflicted by people who would just rather be sad.
So what causes it then? Outside influences? Chemical imbalance? Is that really what you think, that people are just robots bound to some innane chemical reaction that keeps on going? Or is life more than that?
If we're not just a chemical reaction, then what are your reasons that people get depressed? Do you disagree that it's a mental problem, not one caused external influences?
Oh, I speak as someone that was depressed and attempted suicide a few times.. until I finally woke up, and chose not to worry about things I couldn't necessarly change. Been pretty good since then.
Well, for one, they take that into account and said the real percentage is 3%.
I think the idea here - by most of those organizations - is to err on the side of caution.
But we're not "erring on the side of caution." We're doing things that have no impact, except make it acceptable to brand people and track them. So we're not doing anything to solve the problem, and we're introducing new problems. Why is that a good idea?
That being said, most sexual assaults happen from people children know, be it a family member or a neighbor.
Indeed. And given that, maybe we should take children away from their parents and raise them in a state run dorm. After all, we MUST protect the children, right?
In very small steps. They let themselves focus on the negatives and over time this focus causes depression. Subconsciencely, they start acting in ways to self-destruct positives that come along as well. Its not 100% a conscience decision, but a component is. And then they start a self re-enforcing loop.
Alright, well then keep making excuses. Maybe you're depressed because you've convienced yourself there's nothing you can do to change your life?
cabin fever
I take it you're "up North." Try moving South. Not everyone can handle many cloudy days.
compounded by social phobias
Um, get over it.
Ya, its people deciding day after day they really don't want to be happy. That doesn't mean illusionary, but it does mean that you can decide not to be depressed.
Well, I do, and I have to agree. Its a lot of self pity and focusing on what's wrong, and wanting to be depressed. Witness fat people that are depressed because they are fat.. so what do they do.. eat more. Ya, that's someone that wants to be happy.
Let's take human-readable text and turn it into XML, thus destroying its readability.
Huh? How is it not readable? Ever hear of a color coding Xml editor? Xml is great for configuration because 1) you CAN edit it with a text editor and 2) the code to parse xml is everywhere and so the machine can easily parse it as well.
Enough with the Xml is crap posts.
Ha.. well I wouldn't mind that one getting repealed too.
I used to get a lot of brute force SSH attacks as well when I was running a Linux server. I was glad that I ONLY allowed access via public key exchange and not passwords.
A judge can do that if he feels the jury made a wrong decision. I'm not sure if its only in civil cases (which this is) or in criminal cases.. although I think in criminal cases they can only throw out an improper guilty verdict, not an innocent one.
That's HALF LIFE. It's going to be nasty for a lot longer than 300 years.
No, its not the half life. That's how long it will be dangerous. I purposefully misreprsented the article though to see if you'd read it, and clearly you haven't, because there are certain conditions on that 300 years.
And 300 years is a long time as far the human race is concerned. 300 year ago there was no United States, no Israel, no Yugoslavia. No electricity, nothing that used electricity, no internal combustion engines (except for a few steam powered toys).
Your point, exactly? Do you think we'll suddenly say "eh, who cares about that dangerous material" and just start dumping it, or actively digging it up and dumping it? I doubt it. What I find more likely is that with more investment we'll find better ways to neutralize the threat of the waste, and I don't think it will take 300 years, since as you correctly pointed our, our technology has been advancing quite quickly.
They're already doing it; it works.
So what happens to a ship that hits the machinery? Please point me to an article. What are the environmental impacts? Again, any article you have would be good.
You were arguing about PRICE. Speaking of straw men, your straw troll is on fire and I think I'll just let him smolder.
My argument was that the quality is about the same, while the price has gone down. You know, the flip side to leaving steel part behind? I wasn't the one that brought all of that irrevelent crap up, I just played along. So please, you're the last person that should be claiming strawmen. Get a grip, and provide facts, not just your opinion.
How does handing out a $5 off coupon hurt exactly? Especially in the case of Verizon, where you had to agree to two MORE years to use it?