Well as you approach the city, there usually already is high volume. Then the limit lowers, thus causing some to brake. As you said, more volume probably means a smaller decrease to cause the effect.
If the limit stayed the same, you remove the need for people to brake, because they didn't pass an arbitrary point where they MUST slow.
Ever been in heavy traffic that was flowing well, then suddenly goes to hell, only to see the reason: a cop with a radar gun? I know I have.
Hmm, I haven't really noticed, although I would like Stewie to try and take over the world more. But I can see why they wouldn't want that to be the ONLY thing he does.
OTOH, maybe its because almost all of the characters are done by Seth.
Actually, with Firefox it restores all of the open tabs when you restart the browser after a "crash". If i have pages open I haven't gotten to yet (and I regularly have 5+ tabs going at once, 4 work and 1+ "other"... I've got 9 right now, this reply being a new tab opened from the/. comments, so I don't lose my place) I sometimes intentionally leave the browser running when I shut down the computer. When I restart the computer and log back in FF asks if I want to restore the previous session, and reloads the open pages when I tell it "yes".
True, I forgot about that. I can't recall though if you get the current page or what you were actually viewing (if it crashed when typing in a form for example, would it put all that data back? Would the form even be valid? It's possible the session died with the browser.
Uh... don't you want to get the most out of your system? I prefer my computer to work efficiently, not churn on stuff because it lacks resources.
Who said my system was churning? Having lots of unused resources isn't efficent either.
MDI has its place. its not for everything, and even for those it works with, its not for everyone. With a browser you have teh choice.
In very few instance yes. I also never said any browser should remove tab support. Just that I don't like it.
Volume plays a part only in that this can only happen with sufficent volume. They also suspect that if the car didn't fall below that critical speed, the jam wouldn't happen at all. That is, volume does not necessarly lead to a jam, but this braking AND volume will.
Its not that it gets crazy... it just wasn't funny to me. Family Guy does the same thing, but for some reason I can't stop laughing. To each his own I suppose.
Hmm... let's see. Would you floor it just because you could and stay on someone's bumper at 160 kph? Would you do so in a heavy truck on an icy, narrow road?
Not many people I know would, and we have some icy, narrow roads as well here in Vermont.
Let's not forget about those dummies that think the limits mean they can travel that speed in ANY condition. People rise or fall based on what's expected of them. Perhaps people would be more careful if they didn't have the nanny state doing all their thinking for them.
Maybe you should check out the article, and you know, apply the results to your thinking. Pay special attention to the part that says its not volume that seems to be the problem, but this wave effect. Ya..
Believe it or not, before the 80s or maybe it was the 70s, speed limits didn't really exist in many places. It wasn't total carnage as you paint it out to be.
Montana has hardly any population of its own, so maybe it was people coming from other states to drive fast and stupid on Montana freeways.
That is a possiblity; if you're not used to having a freedom, you tend to overcompensate when you get it. Just look at what happens to kids when they enter college; many fall victim to overload and party and drink too much, and before you know it they're out. Actually happened to a few of my friends as well.
Or maybe it was that the lack of speed limits made people more aggressive and more set on staying five feet behind somebody else's tail lights. I don't know, but it was not a success and it did not solve any problems.
How long was it tried for? I would think it may take a while for things to settle down after initially removing them.
Lets get real though; if you want to improve traffic safety, lets start raising the bar on the cars allowed on the road and the people allowed to drive. No more people with bad reflexes, cars inspected more often, meeting certain minimum handling standards, no more old (60+) or young (25-) people, no one without 20/20 vision, etc.
Also, perhaps you should do some research; civil engineers have known since about the 60s how to figure out safe limits if you feel we must have them, the problem is government NOT obeying those guildlines, so both insurance and the goverment can rake in more money.
I've often seen this. People slow down too much for no reason, especally near ramps. I've actually gotten pretty good and figuring which jams are accident related and those that are just people being retarded.
It doesn't help that speed limits on interstates get lowered as you approach larger cities. This is a good reason to remove enforced upper limits on these roads completely. Much of the braking is due to the few goody-goodies cramping the whole flow.
Because the same crap will eventually find it's way into satillite? look at cable now.. how many stations have anything that's TV MA or higher? Not many.
USE AdventureWorks; GO WITH OrderedOrders AS (
SELECT SalesOrderID, OrderDate,
ROW_NUMBER() OVER (ORDER BY OrderDate) AS 'RowNumber'
FROM Sales.SalesOrderHeader ) SELECT * FROM OrderedOrders WHERE RowNumber BETWEEN 50 AND 60;
They don't (and can't, sound hardware is generally PCI and driving PCI devices pretty much requires running in kernel mode), they just cripple them presumablly in the hope that they won't crash when the OS isn't asking them to do anything beyond simple stereo output.
Printer rendering drivers on the other hand were forced to be in user mode.
As were sound drivers.
Sadly you are right on this point, increasing bloat seems to be almost universal in the software development world.
What you call bloat others call features. I like the new searching built into Vista; it works much better than XP. I also liked some of the features of KDE when I was using it as my desktop. They take more resources because they weren't as functional or present at all.
It basically means you throw in another layer between two systems / APIs to insulate one from the other. This layer performs a service on the other layers behalf. I've done something like this to isolate two.Net assemblies that need to work together, but i have a scenario where I can only deploy one of them with an application (that one assembly is shared between two applications).
Its messy because it removes any semblence of interactivity, so I have to actually make the call and then check its return value to indicate what went wrong.
That said, I have a book called "Expert SOA in C#" and it only talks about web services. The idea is that you expose these services to another company and they can ask your computer to do something (get order details, etc). In that case it's useful. But for within a company... very limited, unless you have an odd case such as I did.
True, I did assume web services, which is pretty common (and I believe what most people mean by SOA today).
But again, SOA is only useful if you need loosly coupled systems, because you don't control one of those systems. If you control all aspects, things get easier to implement and maintain if you more tightly couple the systems.
Yes, I have. If you are in total control of the environment, then RPC or remoting or some other, more efficent, technology can be used. SOAP over http just adds needless overhead.
Yes, partially to blame though is the FCC. If the FM stations don't get the FCC's power of censorship removed, they're just going to die out completely.
What browser have you been using? Internet Explorer?
Maybe you should have read all of my post.
This sentence makes no sense. The computer is good at performing calculations, in fact the best performance comes from running one application at 100% but the performance is only good for that application. Running another application and another and another just splits the available resources to each program, and thus decreases the available performance each application can produce. You can't run 10 copies of Internet Explorer open and have them all have the same performance, they will all be worse than if you ran one.
And having multiple rendering controls within a single application doesn't? Does FF freeze tabs not being viewed, or does flash, JS, etc continue to run in those tabs? My computer can easily handle 10 applications, its not 1997 anymore.
300 was an exaggeration, there is no need to take it at face value. If you close what you don't need, then you can just close the tab when you're done. You don't need 300 web pages all at once and you can only read one at a time, that is true. All tabs do is move the selection of windows from the task bar where it can be occupied by many other applications. Right now I have 6 windows in my task bar and 7 tabs open. Instead of having 13 windows in one selection bar, I have 6 and 7 in two. This helps with organization; What if you open up windows like winamp and then open up a new window? Now Winamp is in the middle of your two copies. With tabs it's just web pages. Also, a function of the tab is so that if you are reading along a page with a few hyperlinks, you can open them up in the background (middle mouse click) and while they load you continue reading to read them afterward. In conclusion, you fail.
If the only way for you to make a point is to exaggerate, then perhaps you don't have a point at all.
Windows groups my open browser windows together in the task bar; switching hasn't been a problem since XP introduced this feature in about 2001. I can even tell it to group least used windows or windows of the same application. Amazing!
Slashdot Mirror
Well as you approach the city, there usually already is high volume. Then the limit lowers, thus causing some to brake. As you said, more volume probably means a smaller decrease to cause the effect.
If the limit stayed the same, you remove the need for people to brake, because they didn't pass an arbitrary point where they MUST slow.
Ever been in heavy traffic that was flowing well, then suddenly goes to hell, only to see the reason: a cop with a radar gun? I know I have.
Hmm, I haven't really noticed, although I would like Stewie to try and take over the world more. But I can see why they wouldn't want that to be the ONLY thing he does.
OTOH, maybe its because almost all of the characters are done by Seth.
You're not thinking about this the right way. Imagine ordering 30 movies on a single disc.
Actually, with Firefox it restores all of the open tabs when you restart the browser after a "crash". If i have pages open I haven't gotten to yet (and I regularly have 5+ tabs going at once, 4 work and 1+ "other" ... I've got 9 right now, this reply being a new tab opened from the /. comments, so I don't lose my place) I sometimes intentionally leave the browser running when I shut down the computer. When I restart the computer and log back in FF asks if I want to restore the previous session, and reloads the open pages when I tell it "yes".
... don't you want to get the most out of your system? I prefer my computer to work efficiently, not churn on stuff because it lacks resources.
True, I forgot about that. I can't recall though if you get the current page or what you were actually viewing (if it crashed when typing in a form for example, would it put all that data back? Would the form even be valid? It's possible the session died with the browser.
Uh
Who said my system was churning? Having lots of unused resources isn't efficent either.
MDI has its place. its not for everything, and even for those it works with, its not for everyone. With a browser you have teh choice.
In very few instance yes. I also never said any browser should remove tab support. Just that I don't like it.
Volume plays a part only in that this can only happen with sufficent volume. They also suspect that if the car didn't fall below that critical speed, the jam wouldn't happen at all. That is, volume does not necessarly lead to a jam, but this braking AND volume will.
Its not that it gets crazy... it just wasn't funny to me. Family Guy does the same thing, but for some reason I can't stop laughing. To each his own I suppose.
Would seem to be the opposite of a black hole. Of course, maybe BH's can slow the universe down.. hmm.
More to the point.. would you rather it be 2:45 Friday afternoon forever or 8:30 AM Monday morning?
Come on, really now. It came from the Flying Spagetti Monster. Heathen.
Ahh... that's why I don't watch South Park anymore.
Well, you had time to post.. reading TFA wouldn't have taken much longer, and the answer IS there...
Hmm... let's see. Would you floor it just because you could and stay on someone's bumper at 160 kph? Would you do so in a heavy truck on an icy, narrow road?
Not many people I know would, and we have some icy, narrow roads as well here in Vermont.
Let's not forget about those dummies that think the limits mean they can travel that speed in ANY condition. People rise or fall based on what's expected of them. Perhaps people would be more careful if they didn't have the nanny state doing all their thinking for them.
Maybe you should check out the article, and you know, apply the results to your thinking. Pay special attention to the part that says its not volume that seems to be the problem, but this wave effect. Ya..
Believe it or not, before the 80s or maybe it was the 70s, speed limits didn't really exist in many places. It wasn't total carnage as you paint it out to be.
Montana has hardly any population of its own, so maybe it was people coming from other states to drive fast and stupid on Montana freeways.
That is a possiblity; if you're not used to having a freedom, you tend to overcompensate when you get it. Just look at what happens to kids when they enter college; many fall victim to overload and party and drink too much, and before you know it they're out. Actually happened to a few of my friends as well.
Or maybe it was that the lack of speed limits made people more aggressive and more set on staying five feet behind somebody else's tail lights. I don't know, but it was not a success and it did not solve any problems.
How long was it tried for? I would think it may take a while for things to settle down after initially removing them.
Lets get real though; if you want to improve traffic safety, lets start raising the bar on the cars allowed on the road and the people allowed to drive. No more people with bad reflexes, cars inspected more often, meeting certain minimum handling standards, no more old (60+) or young (25-) people, no one without 20/20 vision, etc.
Also, perhaps you should do some research; civil engineers have known since about the 60s how to figure out safe limits if you feel we must have them, the problem is government NOT obeying those guildlines, so both insurance and the goverment can rake in more money.
True, but the retardedness I'm refering to directly leads at accidents. That much has been shown.
I've often seen this. People slow down too much for no reason, especally near ramps. I've actually gotten pretty good and figuring which jams are accident related and those that are just people being retarded.
It doesn't help that speed limits on interstates get lowered as you approach larger cities. This is a good reason to remove enforced upper limits on these roads completely. Much of the braking is due to the few goody-goodies cramping the whole flow.
Yes, which is why I posted this. Its a new feature not many know about, and I only recently discovered it myself.
FWIW, the OVER keyword is pretty powerful, and you can do other functions with it besides row_number.
Still, better late than never.
Because the same crap will eventually find it's way into satillite? look at cable now.. how many stations have anything that's TV MA or higher? Not many.
You can do that, just not with a limit keyword:
USE AdventureWorks;
GO
WITH OrderedOrders AS
(
SELECT SalesOrderID, OrderDate,
ROW_NUMBER() OVER (ORDER BY OrderDate) AS 'RowNumber'
FROM Sales.SalesOrderHeader
)
SELECT *
FROM OrderedOrders
WHERE RowNumber BETWEEN 50 AND 60;
They disoriented a helicopter pilot; he could have crashed. I think the punishment is appropriate.
They don't (and can't, sound hardware is generally PCI and driving PCI devices pretty much requires running in kernel mode), they just cripple them presumablly in the hope that they won't crash when the OS isn't asking them to do anything beyond simple stereo output.
No, they do: http://compreviews.about.com/od/multimedia/a/VistaAudio.htm
Printer rendering drivers on the other hand were forced to be in user mode.
As were sound drivers.
Sadly you are right on this point, increasing bloat seems to be almost universal in the software development world.
What you call bloat others call features. I like the new searching built into Vista; it works much better than XP. I also liked some of the features of KDE when I was using it as my desktop. They take more resources because they weren't as functional or present at all.
It basically means you throw in another layer between two systems / APIs to insulate one from the other. This layer performs a service on the other layers behalf. I've done something like this to isolate two .Net assemblies that need to work together, but i have a scenario where I can only deploy one of them with an application (that one assembly is shared between two applications).
Its messy because it removes any semblence of interactivity, so I have to actually make the call and then check its return value to indicate what went wrong.
That said, I have a book called "Expert SOA in C#" and it only talks about web services. The idea is that you expose these services to another company and they can ask your computer to do something (get order details, etc). In that case it's useful. But for within a company... very limited, unless you have an odd case such as I did.
True, I did assume web services, which is pretty common (and I believe what most people mean by SOA today).
But again, SOA is only useful if you need loosly coupled systems, because you don't control one of those systems. If you control all aspects, things get easier to implement and maintain if you more tightly couple the systems.
It does depend what you're doing of course.
Yes, I have. If you are in total control of the environment, then RPC or remoting or some other, more efficent, technology can be used. SOAP over http just adds needless overhead.
Yes, partially to blame though is the FCC. If the FM stations don't get the FCC's power of censorship removed, they're just going to die out completely.
What browser have you been using? Internet Explorer?
Maybe you should have read all of my post.
This sentence makes no sense. The computer is good at performing calculations, in fact the best performance comes from running one application at 100% but the performance is only good for that application. Running another application and another and another just splits the available resources to each program, and thus decreases the available performance each application can produce. You can't run 10 copies of Internet Explorer open and have them all have the same performance, they will all be worse than if you ran one.
And having multiple rendering controls within a single application doesn't? Does FF freeze tabs not being viewed, or does flash, JS, etc continue to run in those tabs? My computer can easily handle 10 applications, its not 1997 anymore.
300 was an exaggeration, there is no need to take it at face value. If you close what you don't need, then you can just close the tab when you're done. You don't need 300 web pages all at once and you can only read one at a time, that is true. All tabs do is move the selection of windows from the task bar where it can be occupied by many other applications. Right now I have 6 windows in my task bar and 7 tabs open. Instead of having 13 windows in one selection bar, I have 6 and 7 in two. This helps with organization; What if you open up windows like winamp and then open up a new window? Now Winamp is in the middle of your two copies. With tabs it's just web pages. Also, a function of the tab is so that if you are reading along a page with a few hyperlinks, you can open them up in the background (middle mouse click) and while they load you continue reading to read them afterward. In conclusion, you fail.
If the only way for you to make a point is to exaggerate, then perhaps you don't have a point at all.
Windows groups my open browser windows together in the task bar; switching hasn't been a problem since XP introduced this feature in about 2001. I can even tell it to group least used windows or windows of the same application. Amazing!