This annual request to Congress, as provided under current law, includes $83.5 million in reimbursement for free services the Postal Service is required to provide, including free mail for blind persons and for overseas voting.
The rest also includes adjustments for said services from previous years. In other words, the government mandates they don't charge people for certain services, and that the USPS instead charge the government.
There's a difference between the government buying services from a business and a government funded entity (such as the Defense dept).
This is exactly what they did to drugs by the way. You could only get a permit to prescribe pot if you proved you had some. If you had some without the permit, you possesed it illegally, and you'd be arrested when you tried to apply.
Its not a push anyway, I'd think. Most likely the clients pull the update for WU automatically. I'd think that disabling the Automatic update service would stop this.
Really odd is that we have AU set to on for us, and we haven't gotten any updates..
True, but that lie doesn't help them in any way. In fact, the salesman stating that may actually have detered me from buying the car (if I really wanted to replace the radio).
Except of course that you're wrong. Courts have upheld the right to use company phones for occasional personal use. Recently, they have ruled simillary for the web or email (I can't remember which). I also don't ever recall a court allowing a company to spy on telephone call, even though they owned the equipment.
You don't lose your rights when you enter a workplace.
To be an orphan here isn't much better. Quite often foster kids in America are abused in one way or another.
If you're worried about the biological parent causing problems, work to fix the problems. Get a law in place that doesn't allow them to ever claim custody once adopted. Personally this 'parental rights' garbage is just that. Any two idiots can pop out a kid, so what?
I have family members that have adopted, I am well aware of the issues. I still think we should get our own house in order before trying to save other countries.
What if we were spying on the Pakistanis, and then traced their communications to the German group? We request the ability to place a few phone taps (we'd just tell them about it, but the Germans have not always been our allies, and we'd hate to give out more information than we needed to), and give the feed, which is incriminating, to our German allies, who swoop in and capture the dangerous terror cell. After all, it's not like we throw darts at a list of world citizens to decide who to phonetap. There was at least some information that led to this group, and it's not like they -were- innocent. Also, this story actually makes more sense if Germany had OKed this action first. You don't do things like spying on German citizens illicitly, and then go tell Germany. The fact that eavesdropping is actually being mentioned instead of "intelligence sources" seems to indicate that this was actually an aboveboard mission.
I prefer we didn't really spy on anyone.. I think many of our world problems (or rather, problems the world has with us) could be solved by minding our own business (and getting our businesses to treat people [including us!] fairly). Your point that we had Germany's ok is kind of a leap; if we're already spying on them illicitly but did want to help them, we could make up pretty much anything as to how we came about said evidence. Which is the major problem; we really don't know what out government is doing anywmore.
Also, I believe you were looking for hypocritical, not Hippocratic.
Yes, good at spelling I am not.
Not to mention that the inalienable rights for everyone that the founding fathers believed in didn't stop more than a few of them from owning slaves.
It indeed was hypocritial; IIRC, they saw this, and freed the slaves they owned. Unfortunately, at the time everything was happening then, many of the founders didn't want to include slavery, but the South wouldn't have joined the Union, meaning the Union would be weaker, and it'd be easier for the British to conquer the colonies. So I think the thought was that slavery could be "fixed" later, which it was.
Personally, I'd prefer the second, as that avoids us having to play world's police every time there's something going on somewhere in the world that we don't like. French prisons deemed cruel and unusual? War. Turkish police deemed too brutal? War. Either we absolve the U.S. of the duty to consider all the world under our protection, or we forfeit the right to complain when we send the army to visit some patch of desert.
Asserting that all people have certain rights does not mean we need to be world police. The other option is to let those who are oppressed rise up, and if they do, help them. Similar to our own revolution. If we wanted to help those oppressed, there are also other options. Many nations have signed on to a treaty defining basic human rights.
At any rate, I think we're way too far off course here to be worrying about rights of those abroad. Our rights have been greatly erroded, and I think we should get our own house in order before even thinking about others.
Realize that YOU are not the only person that reads/. that matters. Also realize that some like me have been wondering what the differences were, but don't necessarly want to buy it or read IGN.
How about this, if you see a story that doesn't interest you, scroll by and look at one that does.
it's like changing the car radio and then getting a problem with the exhaust. PC World have taken a look at that radio and said - "we don't support that radio, we can't fix your exhaust."
Well, my car warranty does prohibit such a change. I specifically asked (before I bought the car) if installing a new radio would void the warranty. The answer was yes. Although it seems unlikely, I suppose it could be possible for a new radio to cause some problem due to power issues, which could in turn affect the computer, which could then in turn cause a malfunction that causes exhaust damage. As I said, not likely, but in today's modern cars, I don't think you can rule it out.
So the person responsible is now ensuring his every need is met? That's really great. What about the other 99% of doctors that won't do that on their own? That's why we have such lawsuits.
Innocent until proven guilty does not apply here. We don't need guilt to search you or eavesdrop on you, we just need a warrant.
The whole point is that much of the eavesdropping is being done WITHOUT a warrant.
If we didn't get one for this (which wouldn't surprise me a bit), it's still not leaving behind innocent until proven guilty.
Yes, you are. You see if you assume guilty, there's no need to follow due process of law. Not following due process of law implies guilt.
Due process may be violated, but even that might not apply for information released into the public domain (speaking in public, things that can be seen from public property, etc.)
Phone / emails are not public domain, nobody is debating anything said in public.
Wiretapping phones at random is not acceptable. But it might just be possible that we asked Germany's permission, and that they might have the authority to authorize our activities in this case.
Our founder's believed everyone had inalienable rights, not just Americans. Its extremely Hippocratic to spy without due process on other nation's citizens. Remember, Germany is an ally, we really shouldn't have a need to spy on them; violating the rights of their citizens is not something we should be actively engaged in.
why people on slashdot, who surely must earn at least $50/hour grouse that Apple is more expensive amaze me. 20 hours of aggravation is $1000 bucks of your time lunkheads.)
Get real. 50/hr is $104,000 / year. Very few/.ers will earn that, even very good developers.
I think average salary for developers is around 65k.
Chaining everyone up will actually change the way we live our lives. Listening in on conversations in a foreign country doesn't change my life at all.
Are you sure its just foreign countries though? Last I checked, the current administration was wiretapping conversations soley in US territory as well.
This spying hasn't changed your life yet; but if it does, don't you think it'd be too late? Before you answer, perhaps you should find and talk to some people from the old East Germany, or perhaps Stalinist Russia.
Even if the government was listening to YOU, to make sure you weren't Al Qaeda
I'm sorry, when did we leave behind "innocent until proven guilt?" Also, I think talking on the phone without the government spying on me counts as being "secure in my person," which requires a warrant ("due process of law") to violate. I also don't recall the founders ever saying they enumerated rights, in fact I remember Amendments 9 and 10 pretty clearly stating we did have other rights.
Even if by some contortion of logic, listening to Al Qaeda is the sacrifice of essential liberty of Americans, the ability to spy on the enemy is absolutely essential for any military operation, thus to the existence of the military itself, and therefore the country itself.
This is pretty absurd, considering that until the end of WW2 the US didn't even have a standing army, and yet it survived just fine.
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Did you really read what you just posted?
This annual request to Congress, as provided under current law, includes $83.5 million in reimbursement for free services the Postal Service is required to provide, including free mail for blind persons and for overseas voting.
The rest also includes adjustments for said services from previous years. In other words, the government mandates they don't charge people for certain services, and that the USPS instead charge the government.
There's a difference between the government buying services from a business and a government funded entity (such as the Defense dept).
Yes, sorry I wasn't clear.
This is exactly what they did to drugs by the way. You could only get a permit to prescribe pot if you proved you had some. If you had some without the permit, you possesed it illegally, and you'd be arrested when you tried to apply.
Government !=bad.
That's only true if the government in question is exceptionally small, and heavily restricted.
How could you forget CNN, satan's den of liberal thinking???
Taxes don't fund the USPS, its 100% privately funded.
FDR, if he did order inter or intra state mail opened, violated the Constitution. Abuses don't stop being abuses because people have abused before.
Wow are you dense. Its not a search if you bring information to the police.
Also, phone companies are prohibited by law not to monitor people's conversations without government order. Wiretap laws apply to everyone.
No, I checked the version numbers of the affected files; they are not the updated ones, they are the ones with "problems."
Why is it some people here can't read?
Its not a push anyway, I'd think. Most likely the clients pull the update for WU automatically. I'd think that disabling the Automatic update service would stop this.
Really odd is that we have AU set to on for us, and we haven't gotten any updates..
This is interesting. Certainly not something they should be doing.
Odd though, we have WSUS here, and everyone automatically gets approved updates. I haven't found a client yet that has the updated files.
Good luck finding an AGP card; I don't think they're making many these days.
True, but that lie doesn't help them in any way. In fact, the salesman stating that may actually have detered me from buying the car (if I really wanted to replace the radio).
Except of course that you're wrong. Courts have upheld the right to use company phones for occasional personal use. Recently, they have ruled simillary for the web or email (I can't remember which). I also don't ever recall a court allowing a company to spy on telephone call, even though they owned the equipment.
You don't lose your rights when you enter a workplace.
To be an orphan here isn't much better. Quite often foster kids in America are abused in one way or another.
If you're worried about the biological parent causing problems, work to fix the problems. Get a law in place that doesn't allow them to ever claim custody once adopted. Personally this 'parental rights' garbage is just that. Any two idiots can pop out a kid, so what?
I have family members that have adopted, I am well aware of the issues. I still think we should get our own house in order before trying to save other countries.
What if we were spying on the Pakistanis, and then traced their communications to the German group? We request the ability to place a few phone taps (we'd just tell them about it, but the Germans have not always been our allies, and we'd hate to give out more information than we needed to), and give the feed, which is incriminating, to our German allies, who swoop in and capture the dangerous terror cell. After all, it's not like we throw darts at a list of world citizens to decide who to phonetap. There was at least some information that led to this group, and it's not like they -were- innocent. Also, this story actually makes more sense if Germany had OKed this action first. You don't do things like spying on German citizens illicitly, and then go tell Germany. The fact that eavesdropping is actually being mentioned instead of "intelligence sources" seems to indicate that this was actually an aboveboard mission.
I prefer we didn't really spy on anyone.. I think many of our world problems (or rather, problems the world has with us) could be solved by minding our own business (and getting our businesses to treat people [including us!] fairly). Your point that we had Germany's ok is kind of a leap; if we're already spying on them illicitly but did want to help them, we could make up pretty much anything as to how we came about said evidence. Which is the major problem; we really don't know what out government is doing anywmore.
Also, I believe you were looking for hypocritical, not Hippocratic.
Yes, good at spelling I am not.
Not to mention that the inalienable rights for everyone that the founding fathers believed in didn't stop more than a few of them from owning slaves.
It indeed was hypocritial; IIRC, they saw this, and freed the slaves they owned. Unfortunately, at the time everything was happening then, many of the founders didn't want to include slavery, but the South wouldn't have joined the Union, meaning the Union would be weaker, and it'd be easier for the British to conquer the colonies. So I think the thought was that slavery could be "fixed" later, which it was.
Personally, I'd prefer the second, as that avoids us having to play world's police every time there's something going on somewhere in the world that we don't like. French prisons deemed cruel and unusual? War. Turkish police deemed too brutal? War. Either we absolve the U.S. of the duty to consider all the world under our protection, or we forfeit the right to complain when we send the army to visit some patch of desert.
Asserting that all people have certain rights does not mean we need to be world police. The other option is to let those who are oppressed rise up, and if they do, help them. Similar to our own revolution. If we wanted to help those oppressed, there are also other options. Many nations have signed on to a treaty defining basic human rights.
At any rate, I think we're way too far off course here to be worrying about rights of those abroad. Our rights have been greatly erroded, and I think we should get our own house in order before even thinking about others.
hey Jon,
/. that matters. Also realize that some like me have been wondering what the differences were, but don't necessarly want to buy it or read IGN.
Realize that YOU are not the only person that reads
How about this, if you see a story that doesn't interest you, scroll by and look at one that does.
it's like changing the car radio and then getting a problem with the exhaust. PC World have taken a look at that radio and said - "we don't support that radio, we can't fix your exhaust."
Well, my car warranty does prohibit such a change. I specifically asked (before I bought the car) if installing a new radio would void the warranty. The answer was yes. Although it seems unlikely, I suppose it could be possible for a new radio to cause some problem due to power issues, which could in turn affect the computer, which could then in turn cause a malfunction that causes exhaust damage. As I said, not likely, but in today's modern cars, I don't think you can rule it out.
So the person responsible is now ensuring his every need is met? That's really great. What about the other 99% of doctors that won't do that on their own? That's why we have such lawsuits.
That's really great; let American kids not have a family, because you don't want to be inconvenienced.
No one is forcing you to spend anything at all, you are choosing it, and it seems that you don't think American kids are worth the trouble.
Innocent until proven guilty does not apply here. We don't need guilt to search you or eavesdrop on you, we just need a warrant.
The whole point is that much of the eavesdropping is being done WITHOUT a warrant.
If we didn't get one for this (which wouldn't surprise me a bit), it's still not leaving behind innocent until proven guilty.
Yes, you are. You see if you assume guilty, there's no need to follow due process of law. Not following due process of law implies guilt.
Due process may be violated, but even that might not apply for information released into the public domain (speaking in public, things that can be seen from public property, etc.)
Phone / emails are not public domain, nobody is debating anything said in public.
Wiretapping phones at random is not acceptable. But it might just be possible that we asked Germany's permission, and that they might have the authority to authorize our activities in this case.
Our founder's believed everyone had inalienable rights, not just Americans. Its extremely Hippocratic to spy without due process on other nation's citizens. Remember, Germany is an ally, we really shouldn't have a need to spy on them; violating the rights of their citizens is not something we should be actively engaged in.
And that is totally not relevent to the OP. I can't buy software with health benefits or SS, which REDUCES the amount of money I have.
why people on slashdot, who surely must earn at least $50/hour grouse that Apple is more expensive amaze me. 20 hours of aggravation is $1000 bucks of your time lunkheads.)
/.ers will earn that, even very good developers.
Get real. 50/hr is $104,000 / year. Very few
I think average salary for developers is around 65k.
Chaining everyone up will actually change the way we live our lives. Listening in on conversations in a foreign country doesn't change my life at all.
Are you sure its just foreign countries though? Last I checked, the current administration was wiretapping conversations soley in US territory as well.
This spying hasn't changed your life yet; but if it does, don't you think it'd be too late? Before you answer, perhaps you should find and talk to some people from the old East Germany, or perhaps Stalinist Russia.
Even if the government was listening to YOU, to make sure you weren't Al Qaeda
I'm sorry, when did we leave behind "innocent until proven guilt?" Also, I think talking on the phone without the government spying on me counts as being "secure in my person," which requires a warrant ("due process of law") to violate. I also don't recall the founders ever saying they enumerated rights, in fact I remember Amendments 9 and 10 pretty clearly stating we did have other rights.
Even if by some contortion of logic, listening to Al Qaeda is the sacrifice of essential liberty of Americans, the ability to spy on the enemy is absolutely essential for any military operation, thus to the existence of the military itself, and therefore the country itself.
This is pretty absurd, considering that until the end of WW2 the US didn't even have a standing army, and yet it survived just fine.
Using the military to spy on a friendly country, in exchange for said country spying on us would also not have been a favorable idea to the founder.