I am fairly good with accents and to me, the southern drawl is not an issue. However, I know several people who DO have a problem with understanding various accents within the US including the southern drawl, the NY talk and ebonics. There is nothing about the indian accent that is unintelligible either.
Southern accents have never been an issue for me either, but more often than not Indian accents are. The problem is that the Indian accent is so think it IS unintelligible. I don't think you're a good judge of that because you were raised in India and were exposed to it growing up. Most people in the US aren't exposed to thick Indian accents on English speech, and for us it IS very hard to understand.
Even some of the Indians I've worked with I've had to really concentrate to work through the accent. Others have had less of an accent, probably because they've been here for quite a while.
I ntoday's society I find a lot of people clubbing their objection to outsourcing and the quality of service to strengthen their argument against the low quality call centers in India. I think these are separate issues. I will accept that it would be easier for me to bitch about Indian call centers. If you do it, people might misconstrue it as an argument against outsourcing or xenophobia. If I do it, they take my argument at face value.
I disagree; the reason for offshoring is to cut costs. By definition, the quality of service will be much lower. Also, I don't think you're being xenophobic when actual jobs are being removed from our economy by offshoring. Xenophobia is an unreasonable fear of outsiders; I don't think losing your job to India is unreasonable.
WTF??? That's _1GHz_. It's enough to run lot of games and do basically everything.
Which is EXACTLY what was being said by those with 400mhz machines when 1Ghz appeared. Whats your point? New OSes come out to take advantage of NEW hardware.
My brand-new notebook works at slower frequency in power-saving mode.
Hmm, the slowest notebook I can find from dell runs at 1.8Ghz (and comes with Vista).
My six year old laptop runs at 1Ghz too, but I'm not going to put an OS that wasn't designed for hardware that old on it either.
Go read the link I posted earlier. Rights are not granted by the government, they are something we have.
Privacy extends to my location on a public road because unless someone is actively violating it, the public doesn't know every location I've been to. Next time try reading the whole thread.
Whether you paid for a public road or not doesn't mean you have any RIGHT to use it with an expectation of privacy.
What a load of horseshit. Privacy IS a right, as is travel with the common means of the day.. especially if I helped pay to make that travel possible.
There are laws that govern the use of roads and the means to enforce those laws should be irrelevant.
More nonsense. Our government exists to protect our rights, and any government violating the rights its supposed to be protecting is illegitimate. Especially when enforcement of some laws is done by violating the Constitution!
You are either breaking a law or your not. If you're not, what do you have to worry about?
What right does a government have to intrude on my day to day affairs if I'm not commiting any crimes? Putting me under survelence is doing just that, without any indication at all that I've even violated a law. If going to an NRA meeting, or a porn store, or the mall isn't illegal, then why does anyone care if that's what I'm doing? Yet its would be recorded and filed and likely abused. Please, go ask anyone that was a victim of the Stasi thinks that people should be tracked.
Finally, its MY tax money being wasted to build this stupid system. Why should I be forced to build a system I don't want?
That's a pretty silly argument. Is the BBC obligated to buy equal amounts of film from Kodak and Fuji? What about pencils? Paper? Computer hardware? I doubt it.
I mean, when you hit compile, it generates and spews out a command line to a little text window. Which is fine, but it doesn't bother to actually parse that data and present it in a meaningful way. You end up scrolling through dozens of warnings (if you're not compiling with the equivilent of -ferror) to find relevant errors.
*Sigh* Here we go. Its call the "Error List" window. By default its there, so I would go and reopen it the next time you compile. Code properly, and the warnings go away. If you can't figure out good coding practices, then clicking on the Warnings button on the Error List window will filter out all the warnings.
Oh, and then there's deployment. I worked for a while with some folks that had a C++ application that talked with the Microsoft SQL database and IIS. Their "push" procedure involved remote desktop to the server, clicking buttons to take down the server, pointing it at the maintenance site, creating a new directory in the file explorer, naming it correctly and copying the existing database files to it, copying over the newly compiled bits, testing it in situ and finally pointing the server back to the live site.
Sounds like that's the process they wanted. My deployment is a simple nant script. All it does is copy files and create and sign a manifest file. I use Sql Compare to update the database along with some custom scripts. That's it. I can do an upgrade in 15 minutes. ClickOnce is a great way to deploy an application.
This took them between 3 and 6 hours, every Friday night. I asked them why they can't just write a shell script (or dos shell script, whatever the hell windows has) and they said that it would take too long to develop that. Idiots.
How is that the fault of any MS product?
But thats not what I'm here to rant at you about. I'm here to rant about Visual Studio. Why, if the OS is called Windows, am I only allowed to have one of them in my development environment? I never got the MDI thing, but I routinely, on Mac OS, have 20 source files open and visible. Why does Visual Studio insist on cramming them into one single pane? Gargh, its frustrating. Why can't the compiler take normal command line switches with meaningful names? Since we're talking about the "development ecosystem", why does the command.com shell so completely fail at being useful?
I guess you don't know how to redock the windows or use the split pane features. I also guess csc/? is too hard for your. If you want to script something, there's the newer Powershell coming down the line. Until then, Nant is a wonderful scripting tool.
The debugger is even worse, hiding and showing things based on what it *thinks* I want to see. The only benefit it has over gdb on the command line is mixed assembly/source view, but at least with gdb I can quickly disassemble whatever I need to, not just where the PC is.
Ya, its a pain how it makes the point the exception occurred at highlite in yellow, with a big box pointing to the line explaining what the exception is, and what some common causes are. That's AWFUL. How dare it do exactly what you tell it to (no, it doesn't change its behavior randomly, there are settings that YOU control which dicate how much to show or hide).
Can someone please describe what is so great about visual studio? I've heard other people say it, but I really don't see it. (Please compare and contrast to Eclipse and/or Xcode.)
Maybe if you took the time to learn the tool you'd have an easier time.
Unless Microsoft plans on going whole hog on cross platform compatibility, this is only an attempt to get the web dev community which has historically been LAMP/JAVA based
Huh? I made my living as a web developer using MS as a platform. So did everyone at my former employer (who is being bought out). I don't think you know the true market, because we never had any problem finding clients.
Way to go. You're suggesting that because Google uses Linux, no major business uses Windows. Idiot.
You are either unaware or not care about people being killed by the communists.
I'm not the one claiming the evil at the games is about MS software being used to run it.
Vista is a failure and the upgrade treadmill is over. RAM makers, and PC vendors were both burnt cranking up production for sales that never materialized. Vista and Office 2007 have not even made a difference to M$'s own bottom line.
The same thing was said about XP. Your stupid journal entry has been debunked time and again, yet you somehow think linking to it proves anything. You also seem to know nothing about economics. Excess supply leads to lower prices which leads to increased demand.
You're a typical know-nothing head in the sand/. zealot. You just keep sitting in your mom's basement waiting for Linux to take over and MS' campus burning in flames.
Is there a similar sort of problem in Windows that was fixed 10 years ago and is now something you have to go out of your way to subject yourself to?
Ten years ago Linux was barely 1.0. The problem wasn't fixed as long ago as you pretend it was.
Most Windows problems tend to be about what the system will do by default, not what sort of ways you can screw yourself up if you really try hard and insist on ignoring decades of other people's mistakes.
The defaults have not been an issue since before that flawed kernel was released. Why do zealots insist on making themselves look stupid by not even being familar with that which they critisize?
If it's really going to work, the servers are going to use gnu/linux, BSD or something else that really does the job.
What planet are you from? Businesses much larger than the Olympics run on Windows servers. Do you even know what the Olympics requires server side? How can you even feel like you're qualified to make that statement? Its stupidity and arrogance boggles the mind..
The 2008 Olympics are going down in history like 1936, a zenith of the fake and evil.
Way to trivial the deaths at the hands of the Nazis and Japanese.
The strategy is ultimately futile and damaging.
The fact that someone with your thought patterns can even find a job is more damaging.
Vista is more of the same from M$, and vendors who say otherwise damage their reputations and the industry as a whole. Vista is not selling and vendors are all suffering because of it.
Yea, because you develop on the platform and really explored in depth the new offerings of it. And PC sales have absolutely stopped when Vista came out! The stupidity here at/. is astounding.
Um, you realize that 1Ghz computers are probably about six years old at this point, right? That they were making pentium 3s that ran at that speed?
I guess you think that an OS shouldn't tax six year old hardware, because that's what you have. So all those people that have newer PCs are held back because of you?
Then you claim it IS a bit faster than XP if you turn off services that XP didn't turn on as well. You really do have a point there...
When M$ dies and this kind of intentional waste ends. Computers will always ship bigger and better but forcing people to toss their old ones because of softare "upgrades" is evil.
Why do you assume people are buying a new computer JUST for Vista? That's kind silly isn't it? Would you buy a new computer for the latest Linux offering? Why assume anyone buys a new computer for Vista?
I think its good that a new OS is making better use of the hardware I have; otherwise the hardware is mostly a waste unless I'm playing a game.
What do you mean its public? You can ask any where I've been today, almost nobody knows. The guy at the gas station doesn't know where I went after I left. That's how it is for most people. Most people are not being followed around all day. Some locatlities consider that stalking, BTW.
I can't believe you think that the government controls our lives and that we must yield to it. Public roads are OUR roads, not the governments. We pay for them, for our use. That's the concept our system of government is supposed to abide by, the fact that WE are in charge, not the government. Perhaps you need to read up on our nations founding philosophy.
And the defendant could also report the debts to various credit reporting agencies, which would make it very interesting next time said officers tried to get a mortgage or applied for a car loan or buy insurance, etc./i.
Sorry, no. It would only affect the credit of the RIAA, not the laywers person credit histories.
What exactly is your point? We have small claims courts here in the US as well, and they are just as legally binding as the UK counterparts. I see no reason that the same thing could not happen in the US.
So please, what exactly do you think the differences are?
What exactly is "not anywhere near the square" to you? Another city? Thirty blocks away? One step away from the formal borders of the square? I think its too literal to think that the entire event occurred within the formal borders of the square. I somehow doubt the person you say was killed was on the other side of the city.
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I am fairly good with accents and to me, the southern drawl is not an issue. However, I know several people who DO have a problem with understanding various accents within the US including the southern drawl, the NY talk and ebonics. There is nothing about the indian accent that is unintelligible either.
Southern accents have never been an issue for me either, but more often than not Indian accents are. The problem is that the Indian accent is so think it IS unintelligible. I don't think you're a good judge of that because you were raised in India and were exposed to it growing up. Most people in the US aren't exposed to thick Indian accents on English speech, and for us it IS very hard to understand.
Even some of the Indians I've worked with I've had to really concentrate to work through the accent. Others have had less of an accent, probably because they've been here for quite a while.
I ntoday's society I find a lot of people clubbing their objection to outsourcing and the quality of service to strengthen their argument against the low quality call centers in India. I think these are separate issues. I will accept that it would be easier for me to bitch about Indian call centers. If you do it, people might misconstrue it as an argument against outsourcing or xenophobia. If I do it, they take my argument at face value.
I disagree; the reason for offshoring is to cut costs. By definition, the quality of service will be much lower. Also, I don't think you're being xenophobic when actual jobs are being removed from our economy by offshoring. Xenophobia is an unreasonable fear of outsiders; I don't think losing your job to India is unreasonable.
WTF??? That's _1GHz_. It's enough to run lot of games and do basically everything.
Which is EXACTLY what was being said by those with 400mhz machines when 1Ghz appeared. Whats your point? New OSes come out to take advantage of NEW hardware.
My brand-new notebook works at slower frequency in power-saving mode.
Hmm, the slowest notebook I can find from dell runs at 1.8Ghz (and comes with Vista).
My six year old laptop runs at 1Ghz too, but I'm not going to put an OS that wasn't designed for hardware that old on it either.
Go read the link I posted earlier. Rights are not granted by the government, they are something we have.
Privacy extends to my location on a public road because unless someone is actively violating it, the public doesn't know every location I've been to. Next time try reading the whole thread.
Oh, you mean like the illegal wiretaps that the Bush administration says is beyond any kind of oversight?
Whether you paid for a public road or not doesn't mean you have any RIGHT to use it with an expectation of privacy.
What a load of horseshit. Privacy IS a right, as is travel with the common means of the day.. especially if I helped pay to make that travel possible.
There are laws that govern the use of roads and the means to enforce those laws should be irrelevant.
More nonsense. Our government exists to protect our rights, and any government violating the rights its supposed to be protecting is illegitimate. Especially when enforcement of some laws is done by violating the Constitution!
You are either breaking a law or your not. If you're not, what do you have to worry about?
What right does a government have to intrude on my day to day affairs if I'm not commiting any crimes? Putting me under survelence is doing just that, without any indication at all that I've even violated a law. If going to an NRA meeting, or a porn store, or the mall isn't illegal, then why does anyone care if that's what I'm doing? Yet its would be recorded and filed and likely abused. Please, go ask anyone that was a victim of the Stasi thinks that people should be tracked.
Finally, its MY tax money being wasted to build this stupid system. Why should I be forced to build a system I don't want?
You miss the point; should the OP complain if the just didn't like Kodak?
That's a pretty silly argument. Is the BBC obligated to buy equal amounts of film from Kodak and Fuji? What about pencils? Paper? Computer hardware? I doubt it.
I mean, when you hit compile, it generates and spews out a command line to a little text window. Which is fine, but it doesn't bother to actually parse that data and present it in a meaningful way. You end up scrolling through dozens of warnings (if you're not compiling with the equivilent of -ferror) to find relevant errors.
/? is too hard for your. If you want to script something, there's the newer Powershell coming down the line. Until then, Nant is a wonderful scripting tool.
*Sigh* Here we go. Its call the "Error List" window. By default its there, so I would go and reopen it the next time you compile. Code properly, and the warnings go away. If you can't figure out good coding practices, then clicking on the Warnings button on the Error List window will filter out all the warnings.
Oh, and then there's deployment. I worked for a while with some folks that had a C++ application that talked with the Microsoft SQL database and IIS. Their "push" procedure involved remote desktop to the server, clicking buttons to take down the server, pointing it at the maintenance site, creating a new directory in the file explorer, naming it correctly and copying the existing database files to it, copying over the newly compiled bits, testing it in situ and finally pointing the server back to the live site.
Sounds like that's the process they wanted. My deployment is a simple nant script. All it does is copy files and create and sign a manifest file. I use Sql Compare to update the database along with some custom scripts. That's it. I can do an upgrade in 15 minutes. ClickOnce is a great way to deploy an application.
This took them between 3 and 6 hours, every Friday night. I asked them why they can't just write a shell script (or dos shell script, whatever the hell windows has) and they said that it would take too long to develop that. Idiots.
How is that the fault of any MS product?
But thats not what I'm here to rant at you about. I'm here to rant about Visual Studio. Why, if the OS is called Windows, am I only allowed to have one of them in my development environment? I never got the MDI thing, but I routinely, on Mac OS, have 20 source files open and visible. Why does Visual Studio insist on cramming them into one single pane? Gargh, its frustrating. Why can't the compiler take normal command line switches with meaningful names? Since we're talking about the "development ecosystem", why does the command.com shell so completely fail at being useful?
I guess you don't know how to redock the windows or use the split pane features. I also guess csc
The debugger is even worse, hiding and showing things based on what it *thinks* I want to see. The only benefit it has over gdb on the command line is mixed assembly/source view, but at least with gdb I can quickly disassemble whatever I need to, not just where the PC is.
Ya, its a pain how it makes the point the exception occurred at highlite in yellow, with a big box pointing to the line explaining what the exception is, and what some common causes are. That's AWFUL. How dare it do exactly what you tell it to (no, it doesn't change its behavior randomly, there are settings that YOU control which dicate how much to show or hide).
Can someone please describe what is so great about visual studio? I've heard other people say it, but I really don't see it. (Please compare and contrast to Eclipse and/or Xcode.)
Maybe if you took the time to learn the tool you'd have an easier time.
That would make sense, sort of. They want .Net to replace ActiveX (and the Win32 APIs).
Unless Microsoft plans on going whole hog on cross platform compatibility, this is only an attempt to get the web dev community which has historically been LAMP/JAVA based
Huh? I made my living as a web developer using MS as a platform. So did everyone at my former employer (who is being bought out). I don't think you know the true market, because we never had any problem finding clients.
One served by Google.
/. zealot. You just keep sitting in your mom's basement waiting for Linux to take over and MS' campus burning in flames.
Way to go. You're suggesting that because Google uses Linux, no major business uses Windows. Idiot.
You are either unaware or not care about people being killed by the communists.
I'm not the one claiming the evil at the games is about MS software being used to run it.
Vista is a failure and the upgrade treadmill is over. RAM makers, and PC vendors were both burnt cranking up production for sales that never materialized. Vista and Office 2007 have not even made a difference to M$'s own bottom line.
The same thing was said about XP. Your stupid journal entry has been debunked time and again, yet you somehow think linking to it proves anything. You also seem to know nothing about economics. Excess supply leads to lower prices which leads to increased demand.
You're a typical know-nothing head in the sand
Is there a similar sort of problem in Windows that was fixed 10 years ago and is now something you have to go out of your way to subject yourself to?
Ten years ago Linux was barely 1.0. The problem wasn't fixed as long ago as you pretend it was.
Most Windows problems tend to be about what the system will do by default, not what sort of ways you can screw yourself up if you really try hard and insist on ignoring decades of other people's mistakes.
The defaults have not been an issue since before that flawed kernel was released. Why do zealots insist on making themselves look stupid by not even being familar with that which they critisize?
Any other OS will crash as well if a flakey driver is installed.
If it's really going to work, the servers are going to use gnu/linux, BSD or something else that really does the job.
/. is astounding.
What planet are you from? Businesses much larger than the Olympics run on Windows servers. Do you even know what the Olympics requires server side? How can you even feel like you're qualified to make that statement? Its stupidity and arrogance boggles the mind..
The 2008 Olympics are going down in history like 1936, a zenith of the fake and evil.
Way to trivial the deaths at the hands of the Nazis and Japanese.
The strategy is ultimately futile and damaging.
The fact that someone with your thought patterns can even find a job is more damaging.
Vista is more of the same from M$, and vendors who say otherwise damage their reputations and the industry as a whole. Vista is not selling and vendors are all suffering because of it.
Yea, because you develop on the platform and really explored in depth the new offerings of it. And PC sales have absolutely stopped when Vista came out! The stupidity here at
Um, you realize that 1Ghz computers are probably about six years old at this point, right? That they were making pentium 3s that ran at that speed?
I guess you think that an OS shouldn't tax six year old hardware, because that's what you have. So all those people that have newer PCs are held back because of you?
Then you claim it IS a bit faster than XP if you turn off services that XP didn't turn on as well. You really do have a point there...
When M$ dies and this kind of intentional waste ends. Computers will always ship bigger and better but forcing people to toss their old ones because of softare "upgrades" is evil.
Why do you assume people are buying a new computer JUST for Vista? That's kind silly isn't it? Would you buy a new computer for the latest Linux offering? Why assume anyone buys a new computer for Vista?
I think its good that a new OS is making better use of the hardware I have; otherwise the hardware is mostly a waste unless I'm playing a game.
I wish my comment was meant to be funny, but we lost power here in the morning and had to sit to EOD...
We also once lost water, but they sent us home. The next day still no water, I guess they felt bottled water should be enough for anything..
I wonder if the tone would be so even headed if this was a recent MS operating system.
What do you mean its public? You can ask any where I've been today, almost nobody knows. The guy at the gas station doesn't know where I went after I left. That's how it is for most people. Most people are not being followed around all day. Some locatlities consider that stalking, BTW.
I can't believe you think that the government controls our lives and that we must yield to it. Public roads are OUR roads, not the governments. We pay for them, for our use. That's the concept our system of government is supposed to abide by, the fact that WE are in charge, not the government. Perhaps you need to read up on our nations founding philosophy.
Visa and mastercard, as well as banks, have rules against getting that information. They get your name and card number, nothing else.
What, companies send their employees home if the building loses power? Hmm..
And the defendant could also report the debts to various credit reporting agencies, which would make it very interesting next time said officers tried to get a mortgage or applied for a car loan or buy insurance, etc./i.
Sorry, no. It would only affect the credit of the RIAA, not the laywers person credit histories.
What exactly is your point? We have small claims courts here in the US as well, and they are just as legally binding as the UK counterparts. I see no reason that the same thing could not happen in the US.
So please, what exactly do you think the differences are?
What exactly is "not anywhere near the square" to you? Another city? Thirty blocks away? One step away from the formal borders of the square? I think its too literal to think that the entire event occurred within the formal borders of the square. I somehow doubt the person you say was killed was on the other side of the city.