Actually i was being quite serious. And legitimate religon would proceed as i outlined. As far as the brainwashing goes; i can't believe that they can do that to everyone that expresses interest. It doesn't seem like you can just change someones moral outlook like that. But then, i've never attempted to join them either.
Some might say that. I don't know why, since i can't think up an experiment to prove or disprove whether god exists. And any logical arguements seem to be at a stalemate.
Now if you're talking about creationism vs evolution (and other such things), i don't think that goes to disprove god either. In 6th grade before i transfered to public school, we asked our teacher about that very problem. She replied that as long as god setup things to evolve, there was not conflict with the religon. You have to keep in mind that the bible was written by men, possible men with a social/political agenda. Does that open it to skeptism? Yes. Does it completely invalidate it? I don't think so.
Do you know how Christianity became popular? When it was still a cult during the Black Plague, and everyone else was running away to save themselves while leaving the sick and dying, some of cult thought that wasn't right, and stayed to take care of them.
Also remember, just because of those practices, Martin Luther began the Reformation.
Finally, i'm sure you would agree our government is corrupt. Do you believe then that the Constitution is corrupt, and thus that is why we have a corrupt government? Or did some corrupt people twist and take advantage of some of the docterine.
Right. You have to look at each case. The guy on TV with the fancy jacket and nice car probably is a charlatin. But the priest passing around collection plates in church to fix the leaky roof is probably not. He might not be right but he's probably not in it for the money.
I was wondering that myself. Can i get a trade secret for something?
I also find it odd that a church would copyright its word, and make it hard for people to get to. Most religions want their word everywhere, hoping it will draw people in.
Well, maybe you should learn before you mess things up then:)
Seriously though, i have found most admins know enough not to mess with unix...they are scared of it, as they should be. So they find/ask someone that does know what their doing. In my company, we are starting to use linux for some things, so they ask me, or a couple of other people that have the knowledge.
What makes you think we don't know that Win2k is NT5?
Honestly though i've found Win2k (NT5) to be much better then any MS OS; i was suprised how stable it usually is. Its not as fast and still not quite as stable as linux, but its much improved, and i think most would agree (on stability, at least).
Thats my problem with windows in general. It tries to hide to much from you. When it works, its nice i'll admit, but if it doesn't, well you're screwed.
Windows assumes the user (in this case admin) doesn't know what they're doing. Appaerently, Windows is right...
Care to put to some sources that say non-equilibrium is the rule?
True, this would definatly be better then pesticides, but i'm sure we're not at the point yet where we can predict the effect of such changes. Perhaps a glowing moth has a new chemical in its body that alot of pepole are allergic to. Or maybe the offspring will. Or maybe nothing will happen as a result.
What i was most concerned about was the moth population significantly lessing, thus lessing the food supply for other animals, thus lowering other animals food supplies, etc etc.
Unless they glow yellow; i believe most bugs don't 'see' yellow light (at least, we don't have any on our porch anymore since we installed the yellow light bulbs).
To those that say nothing is in balance right now; sure it is, just look around. I very much doubt that higher life on this planet would continue if there was no balance. I don't mean things are not changing at all. But there are patterns all around us, even if we have not yet determined what they are. Storm systems in the US typically move west to east, there is a certain time of year when tornados are most common, some say the earth goes through periods of heating (ala global warming) and cooling (ice ages), and even the magnetic polls, some would say, switch every now and then (and those some say we are also overdue for such a switch). The sun has its polls reversed i think every 22 years. Even the electron shells of atoms are filled in a predicable, known way. The universe is a highly ordered thing, and to keep it going, there has to be some kind of pattern and balance.
As somone else pointed out, there are many variables that could effect the new moths, and who knows what might come with this.
Anyway all i was trying to say (and still am) is that we never know what nature might do when we mess with it. Take antibiotics, for example, they may soon become worthless, just as most posions are useless against cockroaches. I'm also not saying we shouldn't try these kind of things, just that we need to proceed very carefully, lest they blow up in our faces.
I'm not so sure we should be modifying the creatures on earth like that. Its sure to backfire on us. Everything on this planet is in a balance.
Besides, i'm sure the moths, though a pest to cotton farmers, do serve a useful purpose, even if its just as a meal for bats (which eat other insects as well).
Isn't there some animal running rampant in the Midwest b/c the farmers there killed all the foxes that kept them under control?
I agree; i'd program whether i got paid to do it or not. The only difference would be what i programmed.
But it seems to me that instead of artists being greatful that they can make money doing something they love, they believe it is thier god given right to make money doing something they love.
Ok this might be naive...but i've never had to deal with large scale backups and restores. So why does it make sense to back up the entire HD instead of just the data, especially if you already do have a backup of the install disc?
I agree; if people aren't happy with a situation, they will find something that will make them happy.
Besides, for me (and most of my friends) the trend has been the opposite; replacing all this specialized crap with the PC. I watch movies on it, listen to music, play games, and do work. Maybe i'll even get a tv card some day.
There was only one point i wasn't quite clear on; his forth one. It seems to me that he thinks making a backup of data produced by a program is criminal. Like backing up your quicken files would be illegal under the DMCA. Is this really the case, or did i totally miss his point in that section?
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Actually i was being quite serious. And legitimate religon would proceed as i outlined. As far as the brainwashing goes; i can't believe that they can do that to everyone that expresses interest. It doesn't seem like you can just change someones moral outlook like that. But then, i've never attempted to join them either.
I wish all that space junk would just destory all these satilites! This is worse then that Gore won, wait Bush won crap on election day!
Some might say that. I don't know why, since i can't think up an experiment to prove or disprove whether god exists. And any logical arguements seem to be at a stalemate.
Now if you're talking about creationism vs evolution (and other such things), i don't think that goes to disprove god either. In 6th grade before i transfered to public school, we asked our teacher about that very problem. She replied that as long as god setup things to evolve, there was not conflict with the religon. You have to keep in mind that the bible was written by men, possible men with a social/political agenda. Does that open it to skeptism? Yes. Does it completely invalidate it? I don't think so.
I'm sure people saw this for hundreds of years, yet still believed the earth is 'flat.'
At any rate, maybe this would be a better example.
In the desert, you see a mirage. Does that mean there really is water or an oasis, just because it appears there is one?
Do you know how Christianity became popular? When it was still a cult during the Black Plague, and everyone else was running away to save themselves while leaving the sick and dying, some of cult thought that wasn't right, and stayed to take care of them.
Also remember, just because of those practices, Martin Luther began the Reformation.
Finally, i'm sure you would agree our government is corrupt. Do you believe then that the Constitution is corrupt, and thus that is why we have a corrupt government? Or did some corrupt people twist and take advantage of some of the docterine.
Right. You have to look at each case. The guy on TV with the fancy jacket and nice car probably is a charlatin. But the priest passing around collection plates in church to fix the leaky roof is probably not. He might not be right but he's probably not in it for the money.
Oh, well then. From our vantage point on the ground, the earth appears flat, so therefore, it must be true.
I was wondering that myself. Can i get a trade secret for something?
I also find it odd that a church would copyright its word, and make it hard for people to get to. Most religions want their word everywhere, hoping it will draw people in.
which in my experience, is often wrong.
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Well, maybe you should learn before you mess things up then
Seriously though, i have found most admins know enough not to mess with unix...they are scared of it, as they should be. So they find/ask someone that does know what their doing. In my company, we are starting to use linux for some things, so they ask me, or a couple of other people that have the knowledge.
heh...i was going to say that, but i didn't feel like getting flamed for being a *nix zealot.
What makes you think we don't know that Win2k is NT5?
Honestly though i've found Win2k (NT5) to be much better then any MS OS; i was suprised how stable it usually is. Its not as fast and still not quite as stable as linux, but its much improved, and i think most would agree (on stability, at least).
Thats my problem with windows in general. It tries to hide to much from you. When it works, its nice i'll admit, but if it doesn't, well you're screwed.
Windows assumes the user (in this case admin) doesn't know what they're doing. Appaerently, Windows is right...
After all, if we're going to alter nature, might as well be to our benifit.
But the things we do might have some nasty unintended consequences...and thats all i was really trying to say.
Haven't heard about those guys in a while. Haven't they started entering texas already?
Well, i never said it was delicate :) But there are alot of cases of times that we messed with nature, and lost.
The earth is a system right; but just like any engine, mistreat it enough, and it will break.
All i really meant to get at was that we might be changing more then we bargined for.
Until we reach a new maintainable balance where human production doesnt introduce serious issues in the environment balance.
Isn't tech what put us there in teh first place though? Not that i dont like tech, mind you.
There is no going back, there is only going forward until we reach a point where we have technology enough to both support humans and keep a balance.
Hmm...kinda like Star Trek you mean?
Care to put to some sources that say non-equilibrium is the rule?
True, this would definatly be better then pesticides, but i'm sure we're not at the point yet where we can predict the effect of such changes. Perhaps a glowing moth has a new chemical in its body that alot of pepole are allergic to. Or maybe the offspring will. Or maybe nothing will happen as a result.
What i was most concerned about was the moth population significantly lessing, thus lessing the food supply for other animals, thus lowering other animals food supplies, etc etc.
Unless they glow yellow; i believe most bugs don't 'see' yellow light (at least, we don't have any on our porch anymore since we installed the yellow light bulbs).
Wow...certainly alot of comments in my thread.
To those that say nothing is in balance right now; sure it is, just look around. I very much doubt that higher life on this planet would continue if there was no balance. I don't mean things are not changing at all. But there are patterns all around us, even if we have not yet determined what they are. Storm systems in the US typically move west to east, there is a certain time of year when tornados are most common, some say the earth goes through periods of heating (ala global warming) and cooling (ice ages), and even the magnetic polls, some would say, switch every now and then (and those some say we are also overdue for such a switch). The sun has its polls reversed i think every 22 years. Even the electron shells of atoms are filled in a predicable, known way. The universe is a highly ordered thing, and to keep it going, there has to be some kind of pattern and balance.
As somone else pointed out, there are many variables that could effect the new moths, and who knows what might come with this.
Anyway all i was trying to say (and still am) is that we never know what nature might do when we mess with it. Take antibiotics, for example, they may soon become worthless, just as most posions are useless against cockroaches. I'm also not saying we shouldn't try these kind of things, just that we need to proceed very carefully, lest they blow up in our faces.
I'm not so sure we should be modifying the creatures on earth like that. Its sure to backfire on us. Everything on this planet is in a balance.
Besides, i'm sure the moths, though a pest to cotton farmers, do serve a useful purpose, even if its just as a meal for bats (which eat other insects as well).
Isn't there some animal running rampant in the Midwest b/c the farmers there killed all the foxes that kept them under control?
I agree; i'd program whether i got paid to do it or not. The only difference would be what i programmed.
But it seems to me that instead of artists being greatful that they can make money doing something they love, they believe it is thier god given right to make money doing something they love.
Ok this might be naive...but i've never had to deal with large scale backups and restores. So why does it make sense to back up the entire HD instead of just the data, especially if you already do have a backup of the install disc?
I agree; if people aren't happy with a situation, they will find something that will make them happy.
Besides, for me (and most of my friends) the trend has been the opposite; replacing all this specialized crap with the PC. I watch movies on it, listen to music, play games, and do work. Maybe i'll even get a tv card some day.
There was only one point i wasn't quite clear on; his forth one. It seems to me that he thinks making a backup of data produced by a program is criminal. Like backing up your quicken files would be illegal under the DMCA. Is this really the case, or did i totally miss his point in that section?
Doesn't change the fact that the ACs should have been modded as well, and i really don't care what anyone thinks.