Well the ISP should not be blocking anything, since most claim unlimited internet access. As far as the dopy people that leave sharing on and get burned by it. Fuck them, its time people learned about thier pc. Just as when you use a car you first learn how to properly function and care for it, you should learn to do the same with your pc. I've never once seen a warez site thrown up via SMB. If users are too dumb to turn off file and print sharing, they are probably too dumb to share anything to begin with. I'm not going to be inconvienced b/c someone doesn't want to learn about their pc, just like i'm not going to be denied access to information b/c some other people can't handle it.
It seems alot of new laws are being suggested by the police. What i want to know is, why do the police have any say in what they think should be law. in the US, there is supposed to be a seperation of powers; police should ONLY be enforcing laws, not helping create them. Thats why we have congress. I think these "borderless cybercrimes" would be helped dramaticly by admins that have a clue. Most breakins are done by well known means. If a problem has been known about for such a long time, why are the admins continuing to use the broken software or configure the software poorly? Admins have no excuse for not stopping well known breakins, yet they are the most common. its absurd.
Yet they would still want to do that. Why not tell users they should turn it off, and tell them how? Especially since most likely an @home tech guy will be on site..he could do it just as easily. Winxx comes with SMB, not FTP. Its also a little earier to setup and use then FTP...and don't forget that NT is more secure then 9x.
What if i want to be able to open a share to the internet? Maybe it has some kind of security needed to access...
At any rate, claiming that DHCP is protecting customers is outright ridiculous. Modem users have that as well, and they are in more trouble then they commonly think. RoadRunners uses DHCP too, but for the most part, my IP address doesn't change. I've had 2 different onces since sept.
One, who cares, and two, the article didn't mention the gov't considering this at all. It was a 3 page article on a desicion they made internally as to the style of thier articles. Now i'm left why this article was even published, let alone posted on slashdot.
Odd, i thought the definition of a car has remained unchanged mostly for the past 100 years or so. A car was never just an engine, transmition and suspesion. Its always been a bit more, and now we have added features, but take away the a/c or the heater, and you stil lhave a car..
Depends -- some are paid for with city funds, some with state funds, some are paid for with federal funds. Regardless, all those funds started in the pockets of taxpayers. Again, taxpayers pay for the military. The only people who object to this are people with strong pacifist leanings or people who prefer a Swiss-style citizen army.
How should we pay for roads or army then?
My health insurance is provided through my employer who deducts a portion of my check to pay for my group plan subscription. Medicare/medicaid is paid for by taxpayers. So, I'm not only paying for my healthcare (with help from my employer), I'm helping to pay for the healthcare of elderly Americans without any other coverage.
Damn elderly, they've lived long enough. It only prolongs the inevitible. Fuck helpng them, lets help ourselves!
Corporate welfare (*cough* Chrysler *cough*) Funding for the Corporation for Public Broadcasting Funding for the National Endowment for the Arts
Ya, lets risk starting a chain reaction. We don't really need people working in this country. They don't need jobs. Public broadcasting??? Only those with money should be heard! Art? Who needs it! Any good are has been created by now, and i'm sure its more to your taste.
Does it really take 1/3 of my income to provide for roads and national defense? It didn't cost my parents that
much. It certainly didn't cost my grandparents that much. How is it the cost of these services as a percentage of
personal income keeps going up? The real answer is that we keep adding nonessential services to the ledger
because they serve increasingly smaller special interests. We then force everyone to pay for them.
Oh, so you know how much it costs to administer the interstate system? And the DOD, and the DOE, and the EPA, and the FBI, and CIA, and FTC. You know where to get the massive amount of paper needed for a good price, and all the other supplies you need. Well, thank you for adding this all up for everyone, i'm glad finally someone who knows everything about this has done it and can step in and fix everything. So how long will your new plan take to implement?
Well of course; library have all those things, what are they, oh ya, books. We wouldn't want people reading and thinking for themsleves would we? No, we want them mindlessly in front of the TV, and maybe reading the occasional Time, or TV Guide, or a tabloid. But to read a book that might get them thinking? That would be horrible, its time we burned these libraries and all their contents!
I think the solution would be to ignore the idiots yelling, and just let things go unblocked. Blocking things, no matter the reason, is censorship. As far as not having public schools. Well, you are very short sighted and greedy. Not everyone has as much as you and can afford the expense of a private school. We also all have a responsibility to teach our children, whether they are directly ours or not. Morals should be taught at home, no where else. I'm tired of these mindless parents that think sheltering thier kids from everything is the answer. Maybe the blocks shouldn't be thre just for that reason; to force parents to tlak to their kids about these thinks. the kids are going to see it one way or another, there isn't anything you can do about it. Shielding them from the world will do them no good. maybe once the issue comes up, parents should talk to them about it. But i guess that'd be asking too much.
Well if it is as insignificant as you say, why not include it? It seems to me more had to be done to take it out then not. A 1% decrease could be a very good thing. For one, its a decrease, and two, it could translate into hundreds or thousands of lives. I think even 1% decrease is a good one.
Back in 1991 (I was the ripe old age of 14), my mom's new husband raped her, grabbed a gun and told her he was coming to kill my dad, sister and me. Upon notifying he cops of his threat, they said they couldn't do anything until he actually came after us. My Dad and I loaded our shotguns, turned off the lights and waited for him to show up (which he never did since my mom filed charges and he was picked up on the rape count on the way here). Sure, we ended up not needing the gun in this case when our lives were threatened but what about people who've received anonymous death threats and the police refuse to help? Should they be forced to keep their gun locked away where they can't get to it? What happens when a (illegally obtained) gun-wielding thug breaks into your house at night to rob you? "hold on Mr. Robber, let me take my gunlock off before you shoot me." Even if the crook didn't have a gun, he could just as likely have a knife, baseball bat, pipe, whatever. Millions of crimes are PREVENTED each year because of the threat of a gun wielding defender.
Who said it had to be locked so that you can't get to it? Obviously you are able to unlock if need be. What if your dad had his guns locked in a drawer or something, would that have prevented him from getting them out? No. You could say the few seconds spent unlocking it could prove the difference between life and death, but if its that close, you're probably screwed anyway. My dad kept a handgun locked in his night stand; he could easily get to it if need be. When i was young i probably wouldn't have been able to use it properly to defend myself should something happen. When i was older, he stopped locking it.
Take this a step further. Teach kids in schools what guns actually do. We have fire prevention week in most schools and one day the fire department will come in and explain fire escape techniques. Why can't we have an officer come in and talk about gun safety one day a year? He doesn't need to teach kids how to clean a gun, aim effectively, etc... just teach them that guns kill and when you kill someone, they don't come back - EVER. One of the most effective things you can do is set a watermelon out in a field and shoot it to show what happens when a bullet hits someone's head.
An excellent idea. Life is about making the right choices. We can't make them without the proper knowledge.
I grew up with guns in the house. My earliest memories of them were my dad telling me to NEVER touch them unless he was around and gave me permission. I was taught exactly what they did and how they worked. I learned to respect the awesome amount of damage they can do. I saw first-hand what a 12 gauge slug can do to a living body (deer). He gave me my first gun( a 22 rifle ) at age 7. I respected it as a tool of death and didn't screw with it like it was a toy. Why? I knew better. I was brought up in a culture that respected guns and educated me about them. Locking something away and pretending they don't exist(security by obscurity) NEVER really works... education(open review) is the best answer.
So did i, and i was never saying we should hide them away. But kids, especially little ones, don't always listen, no matter how much you tell them. I think your dad took a pretty big risk that you would listen, even with the education he gave you. When i was very little, i was told countless times not to put my hand on the stove when it was hot. Yet sure enough, as soon as the chance arose, i did. I knew what hot was, i knew i'd be hurt...i don't know why i did it. I also know my parents told me not to do alot of things, but i did anyway. Sometimes kids just don't listen. I wouldn't want to bet on my kids always listening to me if a mistake could cost them thier life.
Actually, not one. I also have alot of friends, who in turn have alot of friends, all of which like the same thing, and none of which who are murders. I grew up to be a computer scientist, btw...
Um, i don't even follow what you're getting at. We DO have the right to free speech, and you're right that it says the gov't can't make laws about it. The purpose of that however is so that we will not lose the right to free speech, b/c if the gov't can make laws about it then it is possible they will try to take it away.
The only difference will be that normal lawabiding citizens won't have guns, and the criminals still will. Do you really think some criminal cares if he has to get an illegal gun to rob a store? As far as Columbine, it was the parents of the killers fault. How do you not notice your son building bombs in your garage???? Its absurd. The parents never suspected anything b/c they were not involved with thier kids at all.
Yes that is true..its a very scary idea to have to register to exersise your right. Will anyone that has a web page or newspaper have to regisiter to continue to use their freedom of speech? I don't know why that sounds absurd, but applying it to the next amendment is not.
How is it regulating the right to own them? I don't think such a law should be needed, but unfortuatly people are very stupid and seem to be lacking common sense. Such a law would just say if you do own one, be responsible.
I don't see how securing your guns at home, or putting safetly locks on them so that kids can't opperate them infrindge on your right to own/use them. I'm all for the 2nd amendment, and i think by law all head of households should be required to take a gun saftey course, and own a gun w/ammo. I heard that was done somewhere, and it had a very positive effect. But requiring that they be locked in a closet? That would only seem to be the common sense thing to do if you have guns and kids....my dad did it so i wouldn't play with something i didn't understand.
I say that and get flamed,but you get modded up...hmmm:) At any rate, i grew up playing doom, mortal kombat, quake, etc etc and i haven't killed anyone. I can't even bring myself to litter...so i really have a hard time buying its the video games. Maybe its possible if you sit your kid in front of them instead of raising them, but thats not the game's fault the parent is negligent.
I doubt they would actually say irresponsible parenting...that would piss off most of the parents out there. They are, of course, NOT the ones to blame. It is the internet and video games, with thier hidden messages that are turning out kids into killers. I'm also starting to supect rocks and trees too...
Well i agree with most of the stuff in this article, including the conclusions, i question why as we go from 95 to 96, the Student violent crime numbers become Student nonfatal crime numbers. Why were the fatal ones suddenly cut out of the numbers?
My two K6 machines have been sentenced to the pitiful fate of running Freenixes.
Odd you would sentence the boxes to running a better OS...
I lost interest in running partially compatible AMD chips after a few months of fun with those boxes.
Also odd that you claim it to be the chips fault. I've heard few other people say thier K6-2 was buggy. Odd that their reports are never substanciated, and it never occurs to them that perhaps its the buggy Windows OS that is the problem, not the chip. I've never had any problems with the k6-2 or the newer AMD chips (i never used older ones) except that one i meantioned above (which was an MS coding problem, not a problem with the chip). So, got any proof? In fact, since they seem to be running a freenix fine, i'm definatly willing to bet it was a MS coding problem.
And why isn't it? Freedom of expression is covered. If thats how i choose to express myself, i should be allowed to. Why is it ok for musicians to express themselves that way in song, but for someone to just say it is forbidden? Doesn't make sense to me. Free speech is the right to say whats on your mind.
Odd, i never heard they finished. I heard the win2k machines they did put to the task crashed, or had to be replaced with more machines (ie, 2 win2k machines to do the work of one solaris box). All stories appear on/. at the top of the page, and stories are posted 24hrs a day. They've posted linux stuff early in the morning, i guess you wouldn't consider that prime time. Although i'm not sure web sites have a prime time like tv does...
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Well the ISP should not be blocking anything, since most claim unlimited internet access. As far as the dopy people that leave sharing on and get burned by it. Fuck them, its time people learned about thier pc. Just as when you use a car you first learn how to properly function and care for it, you should learn to do the same with your pc. I've never once seen a warez site thrown up via SMB. If users are too dumb to turn off file and print sharing, they are probably too dumb to share anything to begin with. I'm not going to be inconvienced b/c someone doesn't want to learn about their pc, just like i'm not going to be denied access to information b/c some other people can't handle it.
It seems alot of new laws are being suggested by the police. What i want to know is, why do the police have any say in what they think should be law. in the US, there is supposed to be a seperation of powers; police should ONLY be enforcing laws, not helping create them. Thats why we have congress. I think these "borderless cybercrimes" would be helped dramaticly by admins that have a clue. Most breakins are done by well known means. If a problem has been known about for such a long time, why are the admins continuing to use the broken software or configure the software poorly? Admins have no excuse for not stopping well known breakins, yet they are the most common. its absurd.
Yet they would still want to do that. Why not tell users they should turn it off, and tell them how? Especially since most likely an @home tech guy will be on site..he could do it just as easily. Winxx comes with SMB, not FTP. Its also a little earier to setup and use then FTP...and don't forget that NT is more secure then 9x.
What if i want to be able to open a share to the internet? Maybe it has some kind of security needed to access...
At any rate, claiming that DHCP is protecting customers is outright ridiculous. Modem users have that as well, and they are in more trouble then they commonly think. RoadRunners uses DHCP too, but for the most part, my IP address doesn't change. I've had 2 different onces since sept.
One, who cares, and two, the article didn't mention the gov't considering this at all. It was a 3 page article on a desicion they made internally as to the style of thier articles. Now i'm left why this article was even published, let alone posted on slashdot.
Odd, i thought the definition of a car has remained unchanged mostly for the past 100 years or so. A car was never just an engine, transmition and suspesion. Its always been a bit more, and now we have added features, but take away the a/c or the heater, and you stil lhave a car..
Depends -- some are paid for with city funds, some with state funds, some are paid for with federal funds. Regardless, all those funds started in the pockets of taxpayers. Again, taxpayers pay for the military. The only people who object to this are people with strong pacifist leanings or people who prefer a Swiss-style citizen army.
How should we pay for roads or army then?
My health insurance is provided through my employer who deducts a portion of my check to pay for my group plan subscription. Medicare/medicaid is paid for by taxpayers. So, I'm not only paying for my healthcare (with help from my employer), I'm helping to pay for the healthcare of elderly Americans without any other coverage.
Damn elderly, they've lived long enough. It only prolongs the inevitible. Fuck helpng them, lets help ourselves!
Corporate welfare (*cough* Chrysler *cough*) Funding for the Corporation for Public Broadcasting Funding for the National Endowment for the Arts
Ya, lets risk starting a chain reaction. We don't really need people working in this country. They don't need jobs. Public broadcasting??? Only those with money should be heard! Art? Who needs it! Any good are has been created by now, and i'm sure its more to your taste.
Does it really take 1/3 of my income to provide for roads and national defense? It didn't cost my parents that
much. It certainly didn't cost my grandparents that much. How is it the cost of these services as a percentage of
personal income keeps going up? The real answer is that we keep adding nonessential services to the ledger
because they serve increasingly smaller special interests. We then force everyone to pay for them.
Oh, so you know how much it costs to administer the interstate system? And the DOD, and the DOE, and the EPA, and the FBI, and CIA, and FTC. You know where to get the massive amount of paper needed for a good price, and all the other supplies you need. Well, thank you for adding this all up for everyone, i'm glad finally someone who knows everything about this has done it and can step in and fix everything. So how long will your new plan take to implement?
Well of course; library have all those things, what are they, oh ya, books. We wouldn't want people reading and thinking for themsleves would we? No, we want them mindlessly in front of the TV, and maybe reading the occasional Time, or TV Guide, or a tabloid. But to read a book that might get them thinking? That would be horrible, its time we burned these libraries and all their contents!
I think the solution would be to ignore the idiots yelling, and just let things go unblocked. Blocking things, no matter the reason, is censorship. As far as not having public schools. Well, you are very short sighted and greedy. Not everyone has as much as you and can afford the expense of a private school. We also all have a responsibility to teach our children, whether they are directly ours or not. Morals should be taught at home, no where else. I'm tired of these mindless parents that think sheltering thier kids from everything is the answer. Maybe the blocks shouldn't be thre just for that reason; to force parents to tlak to their kids about these thinks. the kids are going to see it one way or another, there isn't anything you can do about it. Shielding them from the world will do them no good. maybe once the issue comes up, parents should talk to them about it. But i guess that'd be asking too much.
Well if it is as insignificant as you say, why not include it? It seems to me more had to be done to take it out then not. A 1% decrease could be a very good thing. For one, its a decrease, and two, it could translate into hundreds or thousands of lives. I think even 1% decrease is a good one.
Back in 1991 (I was the ripe old age of 14), my mom's new husband raped her, grabbed a gun and told her he was coming to kill my dad, sister and me. Upon notifying he cops of his threat, they said they couldn't do anything until he actually came after us. My Dad and I loaded our shotguns, turned off the lights and waited for him to show up (which he never did since my mom filed charges and he was picked up on the rape count on the way here). Sure, we ended up not needing the gun in this case when our lives were threatened but what about people who've received anonymous death threats and the police refuse to help? Should they be forced to keep their gun locked away where they can't get to it? What happens when a (illegally obtained) gun-wielding thug breaks into your house at night to rob you? "hold on Mr. Robber, let me take my gunlock off before you shoot me." Even if the crook didn't have a gun, he could just as likely have a knife, baseball bat, pipe, whatever. Millions of crimes are PREVENTED each year because of the threat of a gun wielding defender.
Who said it had to be locked so that you can't get to it? Obviously you are able to unlock if need be. What if your dad had his guns locked in a drawer or something, would that have prevented him from getting them out? No. You could say the few seconds spent unlocking it could prove the difference between life and death, but if its that close, you're probably screwed anyway. My dad kept a handgun locked in his night stand; he could easily get to it if need be. When i was young i probably wouldn't have been able to use it properly to defend myself should something happen. When i was older, he stopped locking it.
Take this a step further. Teach kids in schools what guns actually do. We have fire prevention week in most schools and one day the fire department will come in and explain fire escape techniques. Why can't we have an officer come in and talk about gun safety one day a year? He doesn't need to teach kids how to clean a gun, aim effectively, etc... just teach them that guns kill and when you kill someone, they don't come back - EVER. One of the most effective things you can do is set a watermelon out in a field and shoot it to show what happens when a bullet hits someone's head.
An excellent idea. Life is about making the right choices. We can't make them without the proper knowledge.
I grew up with guns in the house. My earliest memories of them were my dad telling me to NEVER touch them unless he was around and gave me permission. I was taught exactly what they did and how they worked. I learned to respect the awesome amount of damage they can do. I saw first-hand what a 12 gauge slug can do to a living body (deer). He gave me my first gun( a 22 rifle ) at age 7. I respected it as a tool of death and didn't screw with it like it was a toy. Why? I knew better. I was brought up in a culture that respected guns and educated me about them. Locking something away and pretending they don't exist(security by obscurity) NEVER really works... education(open review) is the best answer.
So did i, and i was never saying we should hide them away. But kids, especially little ones, don't always listen, no matter how much you tell them. I think your dad took a pretty big risk that you would listen, even with the education he gave you. When i was very little, i was told countless times not to put my hand on the stove when it was hot. Yet sure enough, as soon as the chance arose, i did. I knew what hot was, i knew i'd be hurt...i don't know why i did it. I also know my parents told me not to do alot of things, but i did anyway. Sometimes kids just don't listen. I wouldn't want to bet on my kids always listening to me if a mistake could cost them thier life.
Actually, not one. I also have alot of friends, who in turn have alot of friends, all of which like the same thing, and none of which who are murders. I grew up to be a computer scientist, btw...
Um, i don't even follow what you're getting at. We DO have the right to free speech, and you're right that it says the gov't can't make laws about it. The purpose of that however is so that we will not lose the right to free speech, b/c if the gov't can make laws about it then it is possible they will try to take it away.
The only difference will be that normal lawabiding citizens won't have guns, and the criminals still will. Do you really think some criminal cares if he has to get an illegal gun to rob a store? As far as Columbine, it was the parents of the killers fault. How do you not notice your son building bombs in your garage???? Its absurd. The parents never suspected anything b/c they were not involved with thier kids at all.
Yes that is true..its a very scary idea to have to register to exersise your right. Will anyone that has a web page or newspaper have to regisiter to continue to use their freedom of speech? I don't know why that sounds absurd, but applying it to the next amendment is not.
How is it regulating the right to own them? I don't think such a law should be needed, but unfortuatly people are very stupid and seem to be lacking common sense. Such a law would just say if you do own one, be responsible.
I don't see how securing your guns at home, or putting safetly locks on them so that kids can't opperate them infrindge on your right to own/use them. I'm all for the 2nd amendment, and i think by law all head of households should be required to take a gun saftey course, and own a gun w/ammo. I heard that was done somewhere, and it had a very positive effect. But requiring that they be locked in a closet? That would only seem to be the common sense thing to do if you have guns and kids....my dad did it so i wouldn't play with something i didn't understand.
I say that and get flamed,but you get modded up...hmmm :) At any rate, i grew up playing doom, mortal kombat, quake, etc etc and i haven't killed anyone. I can't even bring myself to litter...so i really have a hard time buying its the video games. Maybe its possible if you sit your kid in front of them instead of raising them, but thats not the game's fault the parent is negligent.
Who is CmdrTaco endorsing? I don't recall seeing his choice. Personnaly, i'm going with nader.
Exactly, finally someone else that gets it. Get ready for the flames from angry parents saying its not there fault!
I doubt they would actually say irresponsible parenting...that would piss off most of the parents out there. They are, of course, NOT the ones to blame. It is the internet and video games, with thier hidden messages that are turning out kids into killers. I'm also starting to supect rocks and trees too...
Well i agree with most of the stuff in this article, including the conclusions, i question why as we go from 95 to 96, the Student violent crime numbers become Student nonfatal crime numbers. Why were the fatal ones suddenly cut out of the numbers?
My two K6 machines have been sentenced to the pitiful fate of running Freenixes.
Odd you would sentence the boxes to running a better OS...
I lost interest in running partially compatible AMD chips after a few months of fun with those boxes.
Also odd that you claim it to be the chips fault. I've heard few other people say thier K6-2 was buggy. Odd that their reports are never substanciated, and it never occurs to them that perhaps its the buggy Windows OS that is the problem, not the chip. I've never had any problems with the k6-2 or the newer AMD chips (i never used older ones) except that one i meantioned above (which was an MS coding problem, not a problem with the chip). So, got any proof? In fact, since they seem to be running a freenix fine, i'm definatly willing to bet it was a MS coding problem.
And why isn't it? Freedom of expression is covered. If thats how i choose to express myself, i should be allowed to. Why is it ok for musicians to express themselves that way in song, but for someone to just say it is forbidden? Doesn't make sense to me. Free speech is the right to say whats on your mind.
Odd, i never heard they finished. I heard the win2k machines they did put to the task crashed, or had to be replaced with more machines (ie, 2 win2k machines to do the work of one solaris box). All stories appear on /. at the top of the page, and stories are posted 24hrs a day. They've posted linux stuff early in the morning, i guess you wouldn't consider that prime time. Although i'm not sure web sites have a prime time like tv does...