Tell me, if i buy a cd where i only like one song on it, how does the artist know the differnce between the two? Honestly i think you of all people would be against the current system in anyway. Surely you know you'll never make it unless you hand over your 'rights' to the labels. How much do you really think you'll get even if you do that? From what i understand, its the labels that reap the benifits of good music, not the artist.
You seem to have contradicted yourself. You say that he never would have bought it, but that they lost cash if the CD sale was the only way to get the song. How do you figure that? It seems to me that if he said he would NEVER buy it, and if the CD WAS the only way to get it, then he wouldn't buy the CD, and thus no money was lost by anyone. Can you explain then how they are losing money? For there to be theft SOMETHING must be lost.
OK, well the who should own the idea of art? The idea of nuclear physics? The idea that man has certain rights that cannot be taken away. The problem w/your arguement to buy their shit is just that; it IS shit. Does my buying the cd tell the band that i really only liked one song from it? Or does it say i liked them all? As for not creating anything worth selling; i could take that road and i'm sure i'd make money on it. however i choose to use my talents to solve specific problems where i work; they pay me for my time, not the number of things i create. And my peers have thought some of my solutions very creative. It seems to me that you're the one pissed b/c they can't creat anything worthwhile. Otherwise i doubt you wouldhave stooped to a personal attack. Finally, you've probably just insulted every true artist out there. Creating music or a painting is hardly done by chance. It takes alot of skill. So i don't see why you meantioned winning the lottery when you're talking about creating anything.
Sorry you're wrong. The only 'rights' an artist has to his music would be the copyright; which he signs over to the label (he'd have to, or they'd be violating the law).
You STOLE the music from the band. Yes. Stole. You took it without paying the appropriate fees to the band/record company/distributer/promoter.
You can't seem to read. He said he would NEVER BUY THE CD ANYWAY. So what sale have they lost? They haven't lost any. Why? They have a really sucky product. I wish the RIAA WAS losing alot of money over this; maybe we'd start seeing some quality. You can't say something was stolen if nothing was lost.
The whole idea of IP is flawed. The only true property are material things. You cannot 'own' thoughts or ideas. If i wrote a piece of software i thought would benifit everyone, i probably would just give it away free anyhow. As a programmer, i'm being paid for my time to create the program, not the program itself. And i'd continue to program with or without pay. To say that 'art' may be owned, and denied on the basis of economics is ridiculous. They have no right to keep it to themselves. If thats really what they want, they shouldn't be recording it in the first place. I for one wish they had done that starting in '96.
This is a lie and you know it. Let's look at this post in a little more detail:
Never heard of Metallica? Since they are one of the most well-known thrash metal bands out there, that someone who likes that style of music would not have heard of them is laughable.
Perhaps that is not his style of music, and he only stumbled upon it. But he's probably refering to other bands that most people really never have heard of (b/c of the way music distro in this country is), and found them on napster. Then dug around and found the cd. Personally i never would have heard of Grave or Opeth if it hadn't been for napster.
Their CD cost only $10? What planet do you live on?
Ya, thats low, maybe he meant used, but who knows...i've never found one that low.
The result is that this post is just a futile attempt to justify music piracy by attempting to show a "genuine" example of how piracy actually helps the bands that are being ripped off.
Despite a study that seems to show naspter actually INCREASED cd sales?
Tell me, what if i used an FTPd to share ONLY the mp3s i had? Isn't that just like napster? You're an idiot. I'm tired of pussies like you sceaming 'but its illegal.' Do you even read/. ever? Stories about restricting the internet are always on here.
Sounds to me like they're saying you CAN'T distribute the source code. Of course this is crap. I don't think MS can tell you how to distribute your book just b/c you wrote it using Word. No one can tell you the terms of your own copyright.
However you feel about gun control, it is truly bizarre to contend that those who own or sell guns are in no way responsible for the consequences if they put a gun in the hands of someone who openly manifests an intention to harm himself or others
So if they sold him a hammer and bashed his head in they are responsible too? It doesn't matter what the tool was meant to do. If someone misuses a gun, it is that person and ONLY that person that is SOLELY responsible. Stop trying to spread the blame around.
Gosh. Protests over copyrights? when does it end....
When they stop abusing them in attempts to maximize profits. When they relize that COPYright only lets them have control of COPYing the work; not how it is used. Thats when it will end. I think copyright has been abused to the point where we just kill it completely. It now benifits big buisness, not the people creating the stuff. For an example of this, turn on your TV. 99.9% pure crap, it floats.
Hmm....that seems like a pretty bad reason for such a database. After all, i'm sure family members that had someone living in the blast area would come and start asking around for thier loved ones. Databases like this just have too much potential for abuse, and should be outlawed.
Ya, but i think it only asked for your name. No SSN or anything. Just name, sex and race if i recall. Then i got the short form. ITs more of a way of counting how many people we have, nothing more. Of course maybe the long forms got sent to the people the gov't doesn't like.:)
On the foreign arena the two superpowers had more in common than they liked to pretend.
Wow, we also seem to be well on the way to adopting soviet interal policy too, with the shreading of the Constition and giving more powers to the police.
Still part of what was known as the Germanic tribes, i believe. I am really unsure of this, but i think that austria was once part of germany, maybe before germany was germany tho.
2. The Kaiser didn't rise to power, he was born to it.
True.
3. Even aside from the inaccuracies, that has to be the silliest thing I've read in a while. Oh yeah, Hitler just needed to be hugged.
A few kids in a CO school are made outcasts and tormented, at the very least made to feel inferior. They start shooting up a school as a result. An entire nation is outcast, blamed, humiliatied and punished. They start killing millions as a result. Same thing really in both cases; one is just on a much larger scale, and since the outcasts COULDN'T have lashed out at the ones they should have, they picked someone else. So yes, i think if people would be more caring, and less judgemental and accepting of others that are different, i think we could avoid alot of problems. Your last statement just shows how very little you understand human behavior.
If humanity had spent the time after the First World War improving the lives of Germans, rather than force them deeper into debt and depression, there might never have been a Hitler.
Well, i think it would have been a sure thing. WW2 wouldn't have been. Desperate people will do desperate things; they'll listen to anyone that can give them hope and a way out.
If Germans had been encouraged to be feeling and caring, rather than brutal and cold to their children
Huh? Were do you get this? I've never heard anything like that..but then, i could've missed something.
Humanity chose paranoia, domination and abusive punishment, instead.
Humanity, or the West? Unfortunatly living in the west, we don't have many history courses about the rest of the world, except where they interact with the west (japan, for example, isn't meantioned except for discussion on WW2). I'd be interested to know if the rest of the world took to killing each other BEFORE the West interfered.
Yes it is a sad commentary. There really is no excuse for those "pissing matches" as they threated everyones' lives on this planet. Its also sad to me that there are people that would want to take the moon and turn it into an advertisement. I think the moon should be kept neutral, or to be used as a stepping stone to the other planets (perhaps an internatinally run base?). I hope that when we begin to leave this planet, that we leave some of the crap behind.
I heard the people they (the US) were fighting against carried out grusome expermiments on humans, and were allies with another country that was busy killing off an entire race of people. I also heard the decision was made to avoid having to kill off each and every one of the enemy, not b/c they were losing.
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Tell me, if i buy a cd where i only like one song on it, how does the artist know the differnce between the two? Honestly i think you of all people would be against the current system in anyway. Surely you know you'll never make it unless you hand over your 'rights' to the labels. How much do you really think you'll get even if you do that? From what i understand, its the labels that reap the benifits of good music, not the artist.
You seem to have contradicted yourself. You say that he never would have bought it, but that they lost cash if the CD sale was the only way to get the song. How do you figure that? It seems to me that if he said he would NEVER buy it, and if the CD WAS the only way to get it, then he wouldn't buy the CD, and thus no money was lost by anyone. Can you explain then how they are losing money? For there to be theft SOMETHING must be lost.
OK, well the who should own the idea of art? The idea of nuclear physics? The idea that man has certain rights that cannot be taken away. The problem w/your arguement to buy their shit is just that; it IS shit. Does my buying the cd tell the band that i really only liked one song from it? Or does it say i liked them all? As for not creating anything worth selling; i could take that road and i'm sure i'd make money on it. however i choose to use my talents to solve specific problems where i work; they pay me for my time, not the number of things i create. And my peers have thought some of my solutions very creative. It seems to me that you're the one pissed b/c they can't creat anything worthwhile. Otherwise i doubt you wouldhave stooped to a personal attack. Finally, you've probably just insulted every true artist out there. Creating music or a painting is hardly done by chance. It takes alot of skill. So i don't see why you meantioned winning the lottery when you're talking about creating anything.
and a low bitrate will just make the whole song sound like crap
:)
Well thats why you don't download songs w/low bitrates
Well then, how about the artist making money off of playing live for people instead of buying cds? You still don't understand tho...try this.
Money i spent downloading mp3: $0.00
Money i would have spent
buying cd : $0.00
Loss to record company b/c
i didn't buy cd : $0.00
Sorry you're wrong. The only 'rights' an artist has to his music would be the copyright; which he signs over to the label (he'd have to, or they'd be violating the law).
You STOLE the music from the band. Yes. Stole. You took it without paying the appropriate fees to the band/record company/distributer/promoter.
You can't seem to read. He said he would NEVER BUY THE CD ANYWAY. So what sale have they lost? They haven't lost any. Why? They have a really sucky product. I wish the RIAA WAS losing alot of money over this; maybe we'd start seeing some quality. You can't say something was stolen if nothing was lost.
The whole idea of IP is flawed. The only true property are material things. You cannot 'own' thoughts or ideas. If i wrote a piece of software i thought would benifit everyone, i probably would just give it away free anyhow. As a programmer, i'm being paid for my time to create the program, not the program itself. And i'd continue to program with or without pay. To say that 'art' may be owned, and denied on the basis of economics is ridiculous. They have no right to keep it to themselves. If thats really what they want, they shouldn't be recording it in the first place. I for one wish they had done that starting in '96.
This is a lie and you know it. Let's look at this post in a little more detail:
Never heard of Metallica? Since they are one of the most well-known thrash metal bands out there, that someone who likes that style of music would not have heard of them is laughable.
Perhaps that is not his style of music, and he only stumbled upon it. But he's probably refering to other bands that most people really never have heard of (b/c of the way music distro in this country is), and found them on napster. Then dug around and found the cd. Personally i never would have heard of Grave or Opeth if it hadn't been for napster.
Their CD cost only $10? What planet do you live on?
Ya, thats low, maybe he meant used, but who knows...i've never found one that low.
The result is that this post is just a futile attempt to justify music piracy by attempting to show a "genuine" example of how piracy actually helps the bands that are being ripped off.
Despite a study that seems to show naspter actually INCREASED cd sales?
Get real.
Yes, please do.
lets see, Ill pay as much money for a CD
... and then have to put up with it taking up my HD space
Probably. But thats b/c of the RIAA. One of the greediest groups around.
get a lot lower quality recording
Doubtful. Most of the MP3s i've heard ARE cd quality (or better).
wont get a hard copy,
CD Burner. Make your own custom mixes of only what you want to hear, and have a great way to backup any kind of data on your computer.
Tell me, what if i used an FTPd to share ONLY the mp3s i had? Isn't that just like napster? You're an idiot. I'm tired of pussies like you sceaming 'but its illegal.' Do you even read /. ever? Stories about restricting the internet are always on here.
Again, thats utter shit. They have no write to tell you what you can do with your source code. They are fooling themselves.
Sounds to me like they're saying you CAN'T distribute the source code. Of course this is crap. I don't think MS can tell you how to distribute your book just b/c you wrote it using Word. No one can tell you the terms of your own copyright.
However you feel about gun control, it is truly bizarre to contend that those who own or sell guns
are in no way responsible for the consequences if they put a gun in the hands of someone who openly manifests an intention to harm himself or others
So if they sold him a hammer and bashed his head in they are responsible too? It doesn't matter what the tool was meant to do. If someone misuses a gun, it is that person and ONLY that person that is SOLELY responsible. Stop trying to spread the blame around.
Gosh. Protests over copyrights? when does it end....
When they stop abusing them in attempts to maximize profits. When they relize that COPYright only lets them have control of COPYing the work; not how it is used. Thats when it will end. I think copyright has been abused to the point where we just kill it completely. It now benifits big buisness, not the people creating the stuff. For an example of this, turn on your TV. 99.9% pure crap, it floats.
Hmm....that seems like a pretty bad reason for such a database. After all, i'm sure family members that had someone living in the blast area would come and start asking around for thier loved ones. Databases like this just have too much potential for abuse, and should be outlawed.
Ya, but i think it only asked for your name. No SSN or anything. Just name, sex and race if i recall. Then i got the short form. ITs more of a way of counting how many people we have, nothing more. Of course maybe the long forms got sent to the people the gov't doesn't like. :)
Oh silly me. I think i'll choose to stay inside my house with thick concrete walls on the days i'm 'under' the moon then :)
On the foreign arena the two superpowers had more in common than they liked to pretend.
Wow, we also seem to be well on the way to adopting soviet interal policy too, with the shreading of the Constition and giving more powers to the police.
Besides, i rather like the moon just how it is.
Cheap? The cost of transporting it back to earth would make it far more expensive then producing here in the first place.
1. Hitler was Austrian
Still part of what was known as the Germanic tribes, i believe. I am really unsure of this, but i think that austria was once part of germany, maybe before germany was germany tho.
2. The Kaiser didn't rise to power, he was born to it.
True.
3. Even aside from the inaccuracies, that has to be the silliest thing I've read in a while. Oh yeah, Hitler just needed to be hugged.
A few kids in a CO school are made outcasts and tormented, at the very least made to feel inferior. They start shooting up a school as a result. An entire nation is outcast, blamed, humiliatied and punished. They start killing millions as a result. Same thing really in both cases; one is just on a much larger scale, and since the outcasts COULDN'T have lashed out at the ones they should have, they picked someone else. So yes, i think if people would be more caring, and less judgemental and accepting of others that are different, i think we could avoid alot of problems. Your last statement just shows how very little you understand human behavior.
If humanity had spent the time after the First World War improving the lives of Germans, rather than force them deeper into debt and depression, there might never have been a Hitler.
Well, i think it would have been a sure thing. WW2 wouldn't have been. Desperate people will do desperate things; they'll listen to anyone that can give them hope and a way out.
If Germans had been encouraged to be feeling and caring, rather than brutal and cold to their children
Huh? Were do you get this? I've never heard anything like that..but then, i could've missed something.
Humanity chose paranoia, domination and abusive punishment, instead.
Humanity, or the West? Unfortunatly living in the west, we don't have many history courses about the rest of the world, except where they interact with the west (japan, for example, isn't meantioned except for discussion on WW2). I'd be interested to know if the rest of the world took to killing each other BEFORE the West interfered.
Yes it is a sad commentary. There really is no excuse for those "pissing matches" as they threated everyones' lives on this planet. Its also sad to me that there are people that would want to take the moon and turn it into an advertisement. I think the moon should be kept neutral, or to be used as a stepping stone to the other planets (perhaps an internatinally run base?). I hope that when we begin to leave this planet, that we leave some of the crap behind.
I heard the people they (the US) were fighting against carried out grusome expermiments on humans, and were allies with another country that was busy killing off an entire race of people. I also heard the decision was made to avoid having to kill off each and every one of the enemy, not b/c they were losing.