Well i think there is enough evidence in looking around for everyone to figure out you can't trust anyone. No it doesn't make it less of a crime, but it does mean its partily you're fault. Besides, if someone is stealing your car, do you think they'd have a moral problem that they were also taking advanage of someone's weakness? Probalby not..
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As i've said before, i also believe that. I have an interesting idea tho...if a company is found to have violated a law, then the shareholders of the company are the ones punished. Then maybe we'd see the companies getting some morals. I understand where you are coming from saying thats just the way it is, but i'd like to change it personally. I think anything that places personal gain over everything is is bad...be it people, buisness, or even an ant colony. Creating destruction for ones own gain is never good, and eventually will lead to thatthings downfall.
They are trying to send you (from your description) useful and necessary information.
I have never once, ever in my 4 years at college recieved anything useful and nessasery via my schools spam list. If there's anything really important my school wants to tell me, they put it in a nice envelope with thier return address and mail it to me. Even the stuff they shove in my departmental mailbox is usually crap...
Well why not flip out about it? I didn't care what those fliers my college was handing out said anyway, why should i suddenly think its ok now that their using my email to send me the same crap i couldn't give a fuck about?
We shouldn't have to configure out systems to keep out the unwanted abuse of our systems
Thats like saying you shouldn't have to lock your car. I guess it just depends on how secure you want things. Like it or not, people will take advanage, steal, even sometimes kill if they can. You're always gonnahave these people, you just have to decide how much of a defense you want to protect yourself with. Just like if you leave your car unlocked in NYC and it gets stolen, your insurance company will probably place some of the blame on you as well.
I yell anytime anyone bothers me with crap never asked to hear about. Thats why junk mail gets a DELIVERY REFUSED, RETURN TO SENDER, phone callers get chewed out, and spammers get blackholed. About the phone callers getting chewed out; someone said to be polite, b/c then they won't have a reason to hang up on you. My question is, if they were rude enough to call me in the first place, i think i have the right to be a complete ass to them, no? Just a thought.
I'm against advertising. It seems to make people stupider. I wonder if spam was one the meantioned via another/. articlel... hmm.
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Your friend must hve really fucked up his computr then. I've had nothing but AMDs for the past 2 years, and have never had a problem. My roommate just got a 600mhz Athlon, and it rips right along. Its more then likely your software is hosed. Take the HD from the problem computer and throw it in an Intel machine, then claim its the chip. I'll bet you'll have the same problems with the intel.
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All in all, MS has done more harm then good. I never brought linux into this arguement, i never said "drop MS, goto linux." I just said that overall MS had done alot more harm then good in this field, that its 'morals' are really screwy (and that other companies are guilty of this as well), and that by buying thier stock you are supporting thier actions. It is pretty clear cut i would think. I also think thats probably a major problem in this country (and world). It seems the whole scale is now gray, there isn't anymore right or wrong anymore, there's always an exception, even for the most evil act. I just don't buy it.
Hmm...just out of curiousity, ever watch any nascar races, boxing, football, those wildest shows on fox, or wrestling? If you do, its probabaly the same reason most other people watch; they are waiting to see someone get hurt/killed. Of course no one would admit it, but do you really think racing would be as popular if they never crashed?
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Well the banks don't really have a choice in the matter of obeying the FRB. Now if the bank were rackeeting (sp?) then ya i'd say move your checking out. Besides, i doubt the FRB is out to fuck over the american people. Your analysis of why you chose to buy MS proves my point; as long as you are making money, who gives a damn what MS does. I'm sure there are other more reputable companies that could offer similar growth. As for your last statement; that is true now, but remember, until recently even if you told a vendor not to include any OS on your new computer, you got charged anyway. So i think your point in that time is moot b/c you really had no say in it. Continuing to buy MS products is supporting them.
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Why the vehemenent attack on me, though?
Everyone that holds thier stock supports their practices. By buying thier stock you affirm that you condone thier actions. You are also part owner, and you DO have a say over how they act. I choose not to buy MS stock, even though i know it could make alot of money for me, because i disagree so strongly with their philosophy.
That's like saying, "An employee of mine drives like an asshole," and then you being upset at me, calling me names for employing such an asshole. I won't argue with your right to be pissed off at the employee, but you have no right to be mad at me.
Well, that depends. Is he driving your company van, or his own car? If its your company van, i damn well have the right to be pissed at you. If its his car, then you're right, he is the one i should be pissed at. Your owning stock in MS is like MS being an employee driving your company van; you do OWN part of MS, remember. So your 'employee' is misbehaving while driving that van, so yes i'm gonna get pissed at you.
WTF is the government doing in this, anyway? I can protect my kid just fine without their help, thankyouverymuch.
Well then i appluade you! Unfortunatly most parents don't want the responsibility and want to be able to sit thier child in front of the tv/radio/internet and not have to worry about them. Which makes sense, i mean the parent had a really hard day at work again, why should they be bothered with raising thier children now? Oh, to all you parents saying its really hard to review everything before deciding...go fuck yourself. If you don't have time to review what your kid does on the internet, don't let them on the internet, or don't let them on at all without you watching them. Same goes for tv and radio.
Bullshit. Its your job to keep your kids safe, and if our freedoms put your child in peril, well its too damn bad. Thats what the concept of a 'right' is. No one can take it away, no matter what the reason. Raise your own damn kid, thier safety is your concern and responsibility, NO ONE elses.
GPS guided missiles are only as accurate as the intel they are fired with
So if i look hard enough, i will see Intel Inside on the missle?:)
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How do they fuck over their shareholders?
Even shareholder use and are bound by license agreements. Even shareholders have Wordxx crash, right? Anticompetive behavior hurts everyone (except the business doing it). How the fuck am I stealing from you by investing in Microsoft?
That statement had nothing to do with MS, specificaly. It was aimed companies doing anything in thier power to fuck over people, and squeeze every last dime out.
You need to either better define why you have such a hate of Microsoft, because your fanatical hatred for the company seems out of place.
OK, here is why i hate MS specifically.
Their licensing practices, and the idea that even tho i payed for something, its not mine. Anything you pay a ONETIME fee for is (should be) yours to use as you wish.
They stifle innovation and competition.
They do not support open standards. Instead they take them, and change them enough so that they don't work and don't tell anyone what they did
They've been caught in more lies then i can remember. The 'Linux Myths' which was a complete fabrication, paying someone to give them better test results then the competition, denying that they purposefully broke thier OS so that applications makers had a harder time, and vaporware.
Thier selling of clueless MCSEs to clueless managers. I'm tired of arguing with MCSEs that think they know what the problem is, can't fix it, and getting in the way of my work. I had one try to tell me that any non-Intel brandname chip was an Alpha, probably because he thought it meant it was second rate.
So, there's a short list of why i hate MS. Don't give me the excuse 'all software companies do that'. Its not true, and i really don't care. Most people drive like asses, does that mean i should too?
This is the gov't telling the poor and the non 31337 that they have no right to knowledge.
An interesting point, but i can think of another reason not to. It would be too easy to rewrite things. I'm talking mostly about historical books, but even fiction can have a great impact. Image if 1984 was rewritten to put a good spin on the spying...people's opinions of surverlance might be a little different today. Often its fiction that gets use to think about very real philosophical issues. I'm just not sure i trust the gov't enough not to tamper with this, especially if it is now one of the only remaining 'text' of a book.
So, say we put a 25 cent 'tax' on every email someone sends.
Um, how about, fuck you? I pay for an internet connection. That means my computer can connect to others to request services/data. Mail or web pages, its all the same really under the hood. Besides, i'm already paying b/c that asshole spammed me, why should i have to be MORE when i'm trying to use it ligitimently?
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You don't think MS has a deserving stock price? Microsoft, with a 47 P/E ratio is unjustified at its current price? And let me guess, Yahoo!, with a P/E ratio of 497 is reasonable?
I don't think either company should even be in the stock market. To your 2nd comment, i agree 100%.
Ha! This from the guy who plans on stealing from me. Hypocrit.
Stealing to survive is one thing; supporting a big lumbering company seeking to fuck over everyone (including its shareholders) is quite another. I can forgive the poor man who steals from me to eat, but i cannot forgive the wealthy one seeking only to add to his already obscene wealth by stealing from me.
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I'll find something. Like stealing from you
A good, mature answer.
Hey, if its the only way i can survive, then thats what i gotta do.
which is one of the few stocks that deserves its price.
Well kudos to you for not being much part of the problem. But if you beleive that statement (about MS), i suggest you get out of the market completely. If ford built cars like MS builds software, they would've been out of buisness long ago. Its just too bad most people don't know how bad MS products really are. Not to meantion thier horrible sense of ethics (unfortunatly, most companies are guilty of this). So perhaps there's another reason to sell your stock. Silly me tho, what do ethics matter, as long as we're all makin money.
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I'll find something. Like stealing from you. Why? Since you're probably one of the idiots that overinflated these stocks to begin with. The gov't needs to get more restrictive about letting people invest. Have we learned nothing from the 1920s? i did, and i wasn't even there..
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I do. I call them every weekend. Whats your point?
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What i'm a jerk b/c some dumbass dumped all of his retirement money into the stock market then lost it? Should i feel sorry for the cocain addict that ODs too? I think not; people are dumb, they need lessons like this to teach them.
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Well i think there is enough evidence in looking around for everyone to figure out you can't trust anyone. No it doesn't make it less of a crime, but it does mean its partily you're fault. Besides, if someone is stealing your car, do you think they'd have a moral problem that they were also taking advanage of someone's weakness? Probalby not..
As i've said before, i also believe that. I have an interesting idea tho...if a company is found to have violated a law, then the shareholders of the company are the ones punished. Then maybe we'd see the companies getting some morals. I understand where you are coming from saying thats just the way it is, but i'd like to change it personally. I think anything that places personal gain over everything is is bad...be it people, buisness, or even an ant colony. Creating destruction for ones own gain is never good, and eventually will lead to thatthings downfall.
They are trying to send you (from your description) useful and necessary
information.
I have never once, ever in my 4 years at college recieved anything useful and nessasery via my schools spam list. If there's anything really important my school wants to tell me, they put it in a nice envelope with thier return address and mail it to me. Even the stuff they shove in my departmental mailbox is usually crap...
Well why not flip out about it? I didn't care what those fliers my college was handing out said anyway, why should i suddenly think its ok now that their using my email to send me the same crap i couldn't give a fuck about?
We shouldn't have to configure out systems to keep out the unwanted abuse of our systems
Thats like saying you shouldn't have to lock your car. I guess it just depends on how secure you want things. Like it or not, people will take advanage, steal, even sometimes kill if they can. You're always gonnahave these people, you just have to decide how much of a defense you want to protect yourself with. Just like if you leave your car unlocked in NYC and it gets stolen, your insurance company will probably place some of the blame on you as well.
I yell anytime anyone bothers me with crap never asked to hear about. Thats why junk mail gets a DELIVERY REFUSED, RETURN TO SENDER, phone callers get chewed out, and spammers get blackholed. About the phone callers getting chewed out; someone said to be polite, b/c then they won't have a reason to hang up on you. My question is, if they were rude enough to call me in the first place, i think i have the right to be a complete ass to them, no? Just a thought.
Well, i personaly don't like being bothered. I make it a point to not buy anything i hear about b/c someon called me, emailed me, or junk mailed me.
I'm against advertising. It seems to make people stupider. I wonder if spam was one the meantioned via another /. articlel... hmm.
Your friend must hve really fucked up his computr then. I've had nothing but AMDs for the past 2 years, and have never had a problem. My roommate just got a 600mhz Athlon, and it rips right along. Its more then likely your software is hosed. Take the HD from the problem computer and throw it in an Intel machine, then claim its the chip. I'll bet you'll have the same problems with the intel.
All in all, MS has done more harm then good. I never brought linux into this arguement, i never said "drop MS, goto linux." I just said that overall MS had done alot more harm then good in this field, that its 'morals' are really screwy (and that other companies are guilty of this as well), and that by buying thier stock you are supporting thier actions. It is pretty clear cut i would think. I also think thats probably a major problem in this country (and world). It seems the whole scale is now gray, there isn't anymore right or wrong anymore, there's always an exception, even for the most evil act. I just don't buy it.
Hmm...just out of curiousity, ever watch any nascar races, boxing, football, those wildest shows on fox, or wrestling? If you do, its probabaly the same reason most other people watch; they are waiting to see someone get hurt/killed. Of course no one would admit it, but do you really think racing would be as popular if they never crashed?
Well the banks don't really have a choice in the matter of obeying the FRB. Now if the bank were rackeeting (sp?) then ya i'd say move your checking out. Besides, i doubt the FRB is out to fuck over the american people. Your analysis of why you chose to buy MS proves my point; as long as you are making money, who gives a damn what MS does. I'm sure there are other more reputable companies that could offer similar growth. As for your last statement; that is true now, but remember, until recently even if you told a vendor not to include any OS on your new computer, you got charged anyway. So i think your point in that time is moot b/c you really had no say in it. Continuing to buy MS products is supporting them.
Why the vehemenent attack on me, though?
Everyone that holds thier stock supports their practices. By buying thier stock you affirm that you condone thier actions. You are also part owner, and you DO have a say over how they act. I choose not to buy MS stock, even though i know it could make alot of money for me, because i disagree so strongly with their philosophy.
That's like saying, "An employee of mine drives like an asshole," and then you being upset at me, calling
me names for employing such an asshole. I won't argue with your right to be pissed off at the employee,
but you have no right to be mad at me.
Well, that depends. Is he driving your company van, or his own car? If its your company van, i damn well have the right to be pissed at you. If its his car, then you're right, he is the one i should be pissed at. Your owning stock in MS is like MS being an employee driving your company van; you do OWN part of MS, remember. So your 'employee' is misbehaving while driving that van, so yes i'm gonna get pissed at you.
WTF is the government doing in this, anyway? I can protect my kid just fine without their help, thankyouverymuch.
Well then i appluade you! Unfortunatly most parents don't want the responsibility and want to be able to sit thier child in front of the tv/radio/internet and not have to worry about them. Which makes sense, i mean the parent had a really hard day at work again, why should they be bothered with raising thier children now? Oh, to all you parents saying its really hard to review everything before deciding...go fuck yourself. If you don't have time to review what your kid does on the internet, don't let them on the internet, or don't let them on at all without you watching them. Same goes for tv and radio.
I have a memory too...so now i dont tell my parents anything, and i'm doing all the stuff they never wanted me to.
Bullshit. Its your job to keep your kids safe, and if our freedoms put your child in peril, well its too damn bad. Thats what the concept of a 'right' is. No one can take it away, no matter what the reason. Raise your own damn kid, thier safety is your concern and responsibility, NO ONE elses.
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as the intel they are fired with
So if i look hard enough, i will see Intel Inside on the missle?
Even shareholder use and are bound by license agreements. Even shareholders have Wordxx crash, right? Anticompetive behavior hurts everyone (except the business doing it).
How the fuck am I stealing from you by investing in Microsoft?
That statement had nothing to do with MS, specificaly. It was aimed companies doing anything in thier power to fuck over people, and squeeze every last dime out.
You need to either better define why you have such a hate of Microsoft, because your fanatical hatred for the company seems out of place.
OK, here is why i hate MS specifically.
- Their licensing practices, and the idea that even tho i payed for something, its not mine. Anything you pay a ONETIME fee for is (should be) yours to use as you wish.
- They stifle innovation and competition.
- They do not support open standards. Instead they take them, and change them enough so that they don't work and don't tell anyone what they did
- They've been caught in more lies then i can remember. The 'Linux Myths' which was a complete fabrication, paying someone to give them better test results then the competition, denying that they purposefully broke thier OS so that applications makers had a harder time, and vaporware.
- Thier selling of clueless MCSEs to clueless managers. I'm tired of arguing with MCSEs that think they know what the problem is, can't fix it, and getting in the way of my work. I had one try to tell me that any non-Intel brandname chip was an Alpha, probably because he thought it meant it was second rate.
So, there's a short list of why i hate MS. Don't give me the excuse 'all software companies do that'. Its not true, and i really don't care. Most people drive like asses, does that mean i should too?This is the gov't telling the poor and the non 31337 that they have no right to knowledge.
An interesting point, but i can think of another reason not to. It would be too easy to rewrite things. I'm talking mostly about historical books, but even fiction can have a great impact. Image if 1984 was rewritten to put a good spin on the spying...people's opinions of surverlance might be a little different today. Often its fiction that gets use to think about very real philosophical issues. I'm just not sure i trust the gov't enough not to tamper with this, especially if it is now one of the only remaining 'text' of a book.
So, say we put a 25 cent 'tax' on every email someone sends.
Um, how about, fuck you? I pay for an internet connection. That means my computer can connect to others to request services/data. Mail or web pages, its all the same really under the hood. Besides, i'm already paying b/c that asshole spammed me, why should i have to be MORE when i'm trying to use it ligitimently?
You don't think MS has a deserving stock price? Microsoft, with a 47 P/E ratio is unjustified at its current price? And let me guess, Yahoo!, with a P/E ratio of 497 is reasonable?
I don't think either company should even be in the stock market. To your 2nd comment, i agree 100%.
Ha! This from the guy who plans on stealing from me. Hypocrit.
Stealing to survive is one thing; supporting a big lumbering company seeking to fuck over everyone (including its shareholders) is quite another. I can forgive the poor man who steals from me to eat, but i cannot forgive the wealthy one seeking only to add to his already obscene wealth by stealing from me.
I'll find something. Like stealing from you
A good, mature answer.
Hey, if its the only way i can survive, then thats what i gotta do.
which is one of the few stocks that deserves its price.
Well kudos to you for not being much part of the problem. But if you beleive that statement (about MS), i suggest you get out of the market completely. If ford built cars like MS builds software, they would've been out of buisness long ago. Its just too bad most people don't know how bad MS products really are. Not to meantion thier horrible sense of ethics (unfortunatly, most companies are guilty of this). So perhaps there's another reason to sell your stock. Silly me tho, what do ethics matter, as long as we're all makin money.
I'll find something. Like stealing from you. Why? Since you're probably one of the idiots that overinflated these stocks to begin with. The gov't needs to get more restrictive about letting people invest. Have we learned nothing from the 1920s? i did, and i wasn't even there..
I do. I call them every weekend. Whats your point?
What i'm a jerk b/c some dumbass dumped all of his retirement money into the stock market then lost it? Should i feel sorry for the cocain addict that ODs too? I think not; people are dumb, they need lessons like this to teach them.