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Athlons Sold Out
smeng58 writes: "If haven't got your Athlon yet, you may have to wait. This article found on CNNfn states AMD has sold out their production of the Athlon for the second quarter. Looks like AMD has capacity problems, or a lot of people are choosing AMD over Intel."
I was thinking... I've never seen anything but Intel and Alpha boxes running Windows in a server environment (I might be wrong though). Does this shortage hurt more than just gamers in any quantity worth mentioning?
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AMD are having supply problems for 1 month while getting Thunderbird and spitfire out the door.
This hardly compares with the months of supply problems compounded by bad architecture decisions that Intel has been having.
-dp
Though certainly market analysts and financial planners are taken aback at this kind of thing. Loss of profit due to underproduction is never a good thing. Consider that AMD's ability to make money is essentially now shut down until they are caught up with demand. This also can lead to price increase which hurts the end-user and can also lead computer companies to choose Intel over AMD as they don't suffer from these problems.
All things considered however, this means that AMD has strongly underforecasted its ability to advertise, sell, gain market share. We should be quite pleased to see that the only true Intel competitor is even more successful than it thought it ever would be. My congratulations go out to AMD for their success - it can only help out consumers in the long run.
That a lot of people are switching from PIII's to Athlons. Our company just installed over 250 Athlon-based systems, that were supposed to be PIII's. Even all my friends, who have been Pentium fans since the beginning, are buying Athlons.
Look, they're cheaper, they're faster, and they're cooler than PIII's. Why buy a Pentium????
well, I suppose it's better for the athlon to have sold out than to have it commit an error like the infamous pentium illegal opcode.
We're at a time where there is an increased amount of buying going on, in general. (Chicago tribune). Seeing that AMD will not have enough to meet demand, and Intel is delaying the launch of certain, chips... isn't it possible that more people are buying computers?
Is that even though this company (AMD) has a great product that everyone wants, and is making money, etc.. the stock price will likely still be low, and might even drop on this news, thanks to those fscking day traders who can't tell the difference between an OS and a hardware manufacturer.
Yes, the same day traders that somehow made MS stock go up when the Findings of Fact slapped MS, but made every tech stock go down when Judge Jackson made it the Findings of Law. Sigh.
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In a related sign of supply constraints, semiconductor analysts said that Intel Corp (INTC: Research, Estimates). is delaying the launch of its 633- and 667-MHz Celeron chips by about two months because it doesn't have enough manufacturing capacity.
I guess I was wrong, both are struggling to keep up. Maybe its Post Y2k?
I love to hear about such supply problems! Hell i cant freaking afford an Athlon right now anyway, but its good to hear that there is for once a lot of demand for AMD. It is a cost effective solution for anyone today! I have used a K7 system (550) with Linux on it, and its a nice system to use and man its a hell of a lot cheaper than the Intels! The cost difference is
:)
AMD 500 - $146
P3 500 - $178
AMD 750 - $311
P3 750 - $526
Now add to this that the cost of the mother boards is also higher... A few frames is all you get if you go with a P3 on the higher ends!! I think the argument is simple, all the games have hte support for Athlons and so you cant use the argument you could back in teh day of the K6-2/3
AMD is going hot with their German Plant and if they can freaking get swapped out of stock means that they have definately overcome the problems from back in the day!!!
Ohh..... now i wonder what is going to happen to RAMBUS with all this happening... a lot of ppl. just cannot justify spending that much for 128 Megs, cause it is just not financially justified!!
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I have heard a lot of good stuff about this processor, its fast, its on the cheaper side, and now there sold out =( that sucks, im stuck on a PII 233 thats a year old, and was actually thinking of upgrading to one of those things... but now it looks as if i cant... I just hope they are another fad, like Microsoft =)
I wouldn't be too worried about AMD's shortfall right now.
From what I hear, they are.....
1. Stockpiling the new Thunderbird core CPU's
2. Developing the new Irongate Chipset (finally dual Athlon!!)
3. Stocking up on the K6+ series of chips....
So from what I understand, it's the classic CALM BEFORE THE STORM!!
Brace yourselves children!!!
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AMD is replacing the Athlon in one to two weeks with the Thunderbird and Spitfire chips. They didn't just run out of chips, they are changing product lines.
With all of the signs pointing to "Go", why didn't AMD up their production? Seems to me, everyone else was expecting AMD to do well, except for AMD...
-- Greg
I'm sure some of us recall the production difficulties that nearly killed AMD when it first went up against Intel, the K5. Granted the K5 barely got out the door, and the Athlon has been shipping for some time now in various flavors. However, this could still really hurt AMD, because with Athlons not available, the sales are going to go to Intel, and if Intel takes advantage of the delay... Well intel will have yet another victory against a superior processor.
Also, unfortunately for consumers, the shortage could cause the price of Athlon chips that are already in stock to go up. Yet the higher price will not benefit AMD, only the distributers.
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Stupid corporations. Once we supported AMD because they were the underdogs fighting against Intel. Now that they're doing well, they sell out on us. Bastards. They're just as bad as Metallica.
O.k., this article states that Intel and AMD underestimated demands. While I'm not saying that this is directly related, isn't it interesting that:
Standalone sales of Windows grew 14 per cent. Microsoft blames - even now - Y2K concerns and a slowdown in the business PC market,
(from This Register Article)
Now, either there is too much demand, or too little supply, or, alternatively, windows sales really are down.
Perhaps, I'm making false assumptions, but it's interesting either way. Perhaps there's a little bit of everything...
they sold 'em all at the factory... this means they're in the pipeline and in the shops. It means there might be some spot shortages or delays, but you'll still be able to find them.
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If you read the article closely, you will see that the quote citing production dificulties is in reference to Intel, not AMD. AMD implies that the reason demand has been high enough for them to sell out their inventory (of released product-- no doubt they're building inventory of their soon-to-be released chips) is that Intel can't meet its quotas.
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I just came from my local computer hardware store about 3 hours ago. They were having a similar problem with the copermine chips. Everything above 600 Mhz was sold out for BOTH Intel and AMD. The fact that AMD is sold out so early is a good thing really. It means that they have moved on and are probably ramping up for the Thunderbird and Spitfire chips. I can't wait to see how the new chips perform. I'm predicting that the on-die cache of the new chips is going to show Intel the tailpipes yet again. Intel should get used to being second best...
Just to point out, this isn't as bad as it sounds - AMD generally doesn't sell direct to you, the slashdot reader. Waht has happened is that ALL their Athlon production had been reserved to be bought by resellers. This means the resellers will have Athlons systems to sell to you. Unofrtnuantely, there won't be much for people building their own systems. Most likely, the resellers anticipated continued increasing demand for Athlons, and bought as much as possible while they could.
I think what this _really_ means is that the full
:)
PROJECTED RUN of Athlons for Q2 is already
spoken for - NOT that they aren't producing any
more until Q3 (that wouldn't make any sense).
I work for an online computer equipment retailer
and we have no shortage, and don't foresee any
for awhile (and trust me, we'd know better than
CNN if an AMD chip shortage was about to hit!).
Keep in mind what Obi-Wan told Luke about certain
things being true, "...from a certain point of
view."
Seriously, (so I don't get moded down to far) I think it's just a matter of the good press they've been egtting with the new chips, and a real effort to try to show Intel that they aren't the only game anymore by Manufacturers and the consumers in-the-know.
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What does this mean for existing owners of Athlon's Will my Gigabyte motherboard be able to support a Spitfire or a Thunderbird if I decide to upgrade a year from now? Is this just a BIOS issue on the motherboard?
si77y l337t hax0rz.
Intel is having shortages, and M$ needs Intel chips for the X-Box.....
Has anybody considered the possibility that Intel might be stockpiling CPU's for it's top tier OEM's and the upcoming X-Box?
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Perhaps it is simply because Intel has been unable to supply enough chips for quite some time? The Athlon has allready become well known, and when faced with that your potential new PIII wont be available for another month, its easy to go for the Athlon instead.
I dont blame AMD for not predicting that Intel would be unable to supply enough chips.. This is a hard game to play, and nearly impossible to win.
Scandalous isn't it!!
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they sold out wholesale. consumers can still buy em..its not sold out retail yet and probably wont for a while. get em while they last. im still waiting for SMP tho. 1GHz dual K7's would really rock.
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damn it! y cant ne1 think about te l33t hax0rz?!?!?! :P
Since he's currently using one of those outdated 1GHz Athlons! http://www1.amd.com/products/cpg/ath lon/quotes "I use an AMD Athlon processor- based system as one of my primary development systems. A 1 GHz AMD Athlon based system running Red Hat Linux offers a powerful platform for general purpose software development, games and multimedia. " --Alan Cox, Linux kernel developer, Red Hat
As for the stock being low, it is low in terms of P/E (it's a great value to buy right now), but bear in mind that it went up 400% over the last year! AMD has been competely kicking Intel's ass both in terms of clock speeds, performance and stock price. Athlon is just as fast as PIII (not to mention that AMD are actually shipping them in volume at 1GHz vs Intel's vapourware announcement), but Spitfire, Thunderbord, Mustang and Sledgehammer will all CRUSH the corresponding Intel processors!
AMD's time has come!
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1.) AMD may be out of stock with old Athlon chips, but your local store isn't.
2.) Intel isn't going to be bought instead, because Intel can't even supply their chips.
3.) Why would you want an Athlon anymore, anyway? Spitfire (Low-end) and Thunderbirds (High-end) are on their way in a month and some, which are much better then the current Athlon. On-die cache, better tweaking of the core, etc. Athlons now are what the origional K6 was. Obsolete. Time for those power hungry people with money to upgrade to a bigger and better system.. =]
On a side note, those Spitfire's are suppost to be pretty cheap, and perform better then the origional K7? Sounds like a winning combo to me. I currently run A k6-2 350, a K6-3 400, and K6-2 500, and will be upgrading slowly to some Spitfires, and maybe a Thunderbird for my linux server.
Conclusion: Good for AMD. They really took the jewels on this one, and they reported one heck of a profit (Comparativly - Did I mutilate that word?
CNET has the story, titled "Intel delays Celerons because of manufacturing crunch".
The Santa Clara, Calif.-based chipmaker has delayed the release of 633- and 667-MHz Celeron chips by approximately two months, according to industry sources close to the company.
The story goes on to state:
Computer makers, tiring of Intel chip shortages that have lingered since last October, may well begin to adopt more Athlons.
So, in fairness to "equal time", they're both short.
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The Thunderbird will be produced in both Socket-A and Slot-A configurations, and should work on all existing Slot-A boards. Spitfire will be produced in Socket-A form factor only, b/c it is cheaper to make. Rumors say that it will not be pin-compatible with Slot-A, and thus no "slockets" will be available for it. -cwk.
Now if only AMD would get it's dual processer bridge chips to market (in MBs as cheap as the cheapo pentium ones) so I can start buying tons of Athlons instead ..... then I could dump Intel
Althou it seems wonderful on the surface that AMD are selling like hotcakes, and profits are better than expected. this has some strong negative conotations to stock market analyst. The same nagativity that hit Intel so hard. It means they can't keep up with the demand. And when companies like gateway and e machines arent getting the processors they need, they go to the competition and get them even if it means paying more. They can't afford delays on production due to vendors. Now I don't want to give a completly negitive idea about this, things like this are cool for analysts every once in a while but if keeps happening they will dis on the stock and tell holders to sell because their customers are so dissatisfied with the constant backordering.
AMD is short because it is just sold out.
Intel is sold out because it can't produce
what it has promised.
Think about it.
Intel releases a 1GHz PIII a few days after
the release of the 1GHz Athlon
Yet, AMD releases the 900 and 950 MHz at the same
time, because the 1GHz is no abnormal stretch for them.
Intel on the other hand, only releases the 1GHz PIII, with a gap from 800MHz to 1000MHz..
Why? Obviously, they really can't provide a 1GHz CPU.. they only "pretend" to, by taking incredibly
good production CPUs (1 in a thousand), to market
as 1GHz to keep up with AMD. They can't really
provide them in mass production, and so they
just now release the 833 and 866 MHz cpu's.
Who is better off? AMD who has underestimated their sales, or Intel who just isn't able to provide what the market is asking, even if they try their best?
Since Intel reported that they couldn't supply all the market due to production contrainsts, I'm sure AMD's orders increased significantly in the past two weeks.
Can you really blame AMD for not predicting that Intel would miss the ball by such a large amount?? After all, they are still less than 10% of the overall market.
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I dont' quite know if they are out of the chips, but I work at Gateway and know that there is a delay of them. And yes, a lot of people are choosing Athlon's over Intel, reason why you ask, well because they're probably just as good if not better than the PIII and also is a whole lot cheaper.
What caused a lot of the tech stocks to go down was two things: 1. Hundred's of companies costs are kept low by having to develop for one platform, Windows. The threat that they may no longer be able to do this warrents a reduction in their equity value. 2. Capital Gains taxes. A lot of people had to pay 20% of their "paper" gains to the government. This necessitated a sellof of the stocks these people were mostly holding.
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I don't know if they are out of the chips, but i know that working at gateway we are on backorder for them. And yes people are buying more athlons than pIII's because they're faster, better and most importantly cheaper.
Athlons are sold out because they are arguably
better that Pee 3s and always cheaper. Throw
in the fact that Intel has been sacrifising
yields grasping at higher MHz chips, and you
can see why they can sell everything they make.
Those who can do. Those who can't sue.
Exactly, the article pretty much says AMD is out of K6's because Intel underproduced the Cellerons.
Anyone who can't/won't wait another month and change for their new machine. I bought a new machine three months agoish because my old one picked the wrong time to kick the bucket. A friend just got a new (non-K7) machine because they were tired of his three year old machine.
No. The K6's successer is allready on hte market. The K7's isn't. What's selling now is allways worse then what's selling in two months (in CPUs at least). Just because there is an extra large discontunity coming up doesn't mean you can point to the future product and say the current one is history.
The off-chip cache K7 will be obsolete when the on-chip cache ones come to maket. Not before. Otherwise everything is obsolte. Why buy a K7 when a K8 is surely going to come out? Why buy a obsolete P-III when the 1.5Ghz Willmette is "only a year away"? Why would anyone buy a 21264 when the 21364 will be avilable in december? Why would anyone buy a 2000 VW bug when the 2001 VW will surely be out any month now?
Granted this is a bad time to buy if you can wait 2 to 3 months, but if you can't, well, progress allways marches on. In two years your obsolete K7 will not look noticably more quaint then a Spitfire/Thunderbird. On a side note, those Spitfire's are suppost to be pretty cheap, and perform better then the origional K7?
Well they have less but faster cache, much like the Intel CuMine vs. the um, Kamtai. Let's see, the 550B vs the 550E is that what they are called now?
The Intel part has a half sized twice as large cache with a 4 times wider cache bus (256bit vs. 64bit) , and 8-way associatave vs. 4-way associtave. There are still things that are faster on the "big cache" versions, but they are not common I think.
The only thing we know for sure about the Spitfire is it has half the cache of the current K7. It's a good guess that it has a wider (cache) bus, but that's not a given. There have been no hints that the Spitfire's cache has changed to a more associatave structure, and since that isn't a no-brainer to do, it may well not have. Oh, and we know the Spitfire's cache should run full speed rather then one half to 2/5ths of CPU speed. The larger L1 cache sizes on the K7 also make a direct comparisin with the P-III non-trivial.
So we don't know for sure that the Spitfire will outperform the existing K7. We have an existance proof in the P-III E vs B that it could. But the changes arn't identical. The results could differ by quite a bit.
That said, I think the Spitfire will be a really good CPU. If it gets priced similar to the K6's or the Celerons, then it's going to be a great bargin.
Also since the Spitfire is intended to replace the current K7, I expect it will do at least as well. That may mean it has to have a large on-die cache. Or maybe it will have a higher associtavity, or some novel approch, but it's design goal is to replace the current K7, so it will be at least as good. The design goal of the Spitfire is to replace Intel's Celeron, it may "accidentally" be better thn the current K7, but that wasn't a direct design goal.
P.S. my appologies if I swapped the Tbird and Spitfire's roles. I cna never quite remember which code name is what in this bisness.
Crap. Sorry for the typos everyone. I hit "submit" rather then preview. I wish we could delete our own posts.
Is there a good reason we can't?
The reason AMD has sold all of its Athlon processors is not because they don't have the capacity to produce more, it's because the last 2.2 million Athlons produced (and sold this quarter) will very likely be the last of the current generation of Athlons ever produced. The Thunderbird (Athlon w/ 256KB on-die L2 at full speed) and Spitfire (Athlon w/ 64-128KB on-die L2 at full speed) cores are replacing the Athlon and (eventually) the K6-2. AMD didn't think that Intel would be quite this far behind on processor shipments, so demand really was much higher than expected. This is way too early for AMD to have sold all the CPUs it will produce this quarter, so it just means that they've sold all the old Athlon processors they will produce this quarter. In other words, AMD is going to be shipping a whole lot of new processors this quarter that will beat the snot out of the P3 (even when it has super-expensive RDRAM).
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AMD opened new fabs in both Texas (USA) and Dresden (Germany) last year. They are getting bigger and better everyday.
This is forcing Intel to get their stuff out sooner and cheaper than they every have before, which gives AMD an incentive to work even better.
And look at what it had given us all. The push for better and faster has brought us closer to a 64 bit consumer systems much sooner than many people expected. And with the competition quality is also becoming a thing to focus on. No longer will Sun, Alpha, IBM, and HP dominate the high end server markets. AMD and Intel have 64 bit chips on the horizon that will bring the cost of reliable, scalable servers down much lower than they have been with the previously named server makers able to overcharge like crazy because of demand.
And now AMD is having trouble keeping up with demand, just as their mighty rival Intel has been.
Using this as a guage of technological progress, what a WONDERFUL world we live in.
Imagine if there had been competition like this in the OS market over the last few years. God only knows where Microsoft could have gone against a strong competitor. And now with AMD and Intel pushing Linux as the next big OS, we can finally see every geeks dream of great processors, great operating systems, and most of all-
GREAT CHOICES!
I agree with almost everyone else who states that the athalons kick ass, but despite single processor benchmarks, they don't compete in the smp area because they don't have any smp capable boards/chipset's yet for athalon's, so i'm gonna stick to intel for now. There are some nice dual boards for the Alpha architecture, but damn those suckers are pricey.
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No. The K6's successer is allready on hte market. The K7's isn't. What's selling now is allways worse then what's selling in two months (in CPUs at least). Just because there is an extra large discontunity coming up doesn't mean you can point to the future product and say the current one is history.
That was bad wording on my part, I apolgize. I should have said, maybe: Marketwise , the K7 is obsolete. As in, it's time for them to market the poo out of the Spitfires and Thunderbirds. In the sense I wrote it there, I didn't mean obsolete, pertaining to old hardware (Like writing this post on my Atari 800 (Not literally)). Very bad choice of words on my part. Also, if you are interetested, check out this link to HardOCP, where they have some benchmarks of a 750mhz Thunderbird.
As many quality hardware sites speculate, the Spitfire will still outperform the current Athlon in many applications, mostly games. Unfortantly, a good site I frequent (Ace's hardware) had an article/link/write up on why the Spitfire and T-bird CPUs are better CPUs then current Athlons (As in, what they changed, how the on-die cache will help/hurt, etc) but they don't keep a backlog of articles that I can see. If you want to check them out and see if you can find anything, the address is www.aceshardware.com . They have pretty technical info, which makes the place pretty good.. =]
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Here at the white knights, we like to recruit young, angry men with a postive-sounding message and brainwash them into doing our fascist will (like dragging blacks to death with their pickup trucks)! We also like to brainwash our children with hate-propaganda from the day they are born!
We stand upon the following principles
1. Kicking the shit out of black people. Why? because they look different than us!
2. Kicking the shit out of non-protestants. Why? Because they think different than us!
3. Creating a worldwide facism. It will be a sort of mix between germany: 1939 and America: 1899
4. Suppress disagreement with us.
5. Eventually create a slave class out of the following groups: Blacks, catholics, jews, hindus, muslims, mormons, indians (both kinds), people who disagree with us, chinamen, homosexuals, arabs, and japs.
6. Getting George W. Bush elected president
What the knights ARE:
A bunch of dumb hicks who get wood from inspiring hate and fear. We DON'T actually KNOW any black people, we just kind of assume that they are beneath us. Becuase clearly ANYONE who doesn't come from our little shit farm towns that we've lived our entire lives in are beneath us!
Sincerely, A dumb Bubba with a spell checker. We stand upon the following principles
1. Kicking the shit out of black people. Why? because they look different than us!
Here at the white knights, we like to recruit young, angry men with a postive-sounding message and brainwash them into doing our fascist will (like dragging blacks to death with their pickup trucks)! We also like to brainwash our children with hate-propaganda from the day they are born!
We stand upon the following principles
1. Kicking the shit out of black people. Why? because they look different than us!
2. Kicking the shit out of non-protestants. Why? Because they think different than us!
3. Creating a worldwide facism. It will be a sort of mix between germany: 1939 and America: 1899
4. Suppress disagreement with us.
5. Eventually create a slave class out of the following groups: Blacks, catholics, jews, hindus, muslims, mormons, indians (both kinds), people who disagree with us, chinamen, homosexuals, arabs, and japs.
6. Getting George W. Bush elected president
What the knights ARE:
A bunch of dumb hicks who get wood from inspiring hate and fear. We DON'T actually KNOW any black people, we just kind of assume that they are beneath us. Becuase clearly ANYONE who doesn't come from our little shit farm towns that we've lived our entire lives in are beneath us!
Sincerely, A dumb Bubba with a spell checker. 2. Kicking the shit out of non-protestants. Why? Because they think different than us!
3. Creating a worldwide facism. It will be a sort of mix between germany: 1939 and America: 1899
4. Suppress disagreement with us.
5. Eventually create a slave class out of the following groups: Blacks, catholics, jews, hindus, muslims, mormons, indians (both kinds), people who disagree with us, chinamen, homosexuals, arabs, and japs.
6. Getting George W. Bush elected president
What the knights ARE:
A bunch of dumb hicks who get wood from inspiring hate and fear. We DON'T actually KNOW any black people, we just kind of assume that they are beneath us. Becuase clearly ANYONE who doesn't come from our little shit farm towns that we've lived our entire lives in are beneath us!
Sincerely, A dumb Bubba with a spell checker.
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By establishing christianity every single country/nation in history has by doing so kissed freedom of many sorts goodbye.
Christian oppressors all think of themselves as kings while those not christian could consider themselves lucky to be called humans.
You fsck-in' yanks should be familiar with this, after all the natives weren't christians and were therefore not human.
But to answer your principles:
1: The white race: Only would a bad seed from a race that is born rosy-pink, gets red in the sun, and brown after that, purple when they choke and dies white have the courage to call other races coloured.
2: America first: Unlike what the world-view from every single movie made shows, America is only a country, it's not a planet.
As for foreign or alien influence or interest; you'd all be cheyenne or sioux or apache or whatever if you had stuck to that from the very beginning (not that it would be a bad idea seeing as how stupidassed you are)
3: The Constitution: Hardly worth the paper it's written on with all its amendments and changes.
give me a fsck-ing break; only in america would something so blatantly obvious had to be put on paper to make it worth something.
4: Free enterprise: "mine mine mine, all mine, this is my business and even though I run it like a monkey it's my right, 'cause I'm a yank and I have a constitutional right to be an asshole" is the root of all evil, have whoever likes that idea shot where they stand.
5: Positive Christianity: That's an oxymoron if I ever saw one. No other religion has more murders on its conscience than christianity. Why you may ask? Well no other religion has that christian attitude (ah, so you're not christian aye! Then I will kill you where you stand)
6: The Family: WRONG... Families are good, yes. But the strength of any nation? Hardly. Any strong nation has a strong leader, period.
As for "What the Knights is!"
Why not just say what you mean?
Or does the truth hurt too much?
YOU... ARE
Nationalism has never worked. Read some proper history books.
But I can't say that I blame ya'll yanks, after all, what goes on in other planets (countries to the rest of the world) ain't any of your business, unless it threatens your oil or fruit business.
As for being a bitch moaning whenever you get the chance "them niggers and gooks and spicks don't belong here, they should be killed, we don't want them." Well, TOUGH! You brought them into your godforsaken country. They ain't a stray dog that you can send out on the street when you don't feel like keeping it anymore.
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AMD is short because it is just sold out. Intel is sold out because it can't produce what it has promised.
These two things are the EXACT same thing. Also keep in mind that Intel has 84% of the CPU market share and AMD has 10%. Supplying 84% of the industry with CPU's is quite a bit more difficult than supplying 10% of the industry. The shortages will be more noticeable and more people will complain.
Think about it. Intel releases a 1GHz PIII a few days after the release of the 1GHz Athlon Yet, AMD releases the 900 and 950 MHz at the same time, because the 1GHz is no abnormal stretch for them. Intel on the other hand, only releases the 1GHz PIII, with a gap from 800MHz to 1000MHz..
Ahh, yes, the fashionable "They went from 800 MHz to 1000 MHz, therefore the must be lying about the 1000 MHz parts" cliche. You will note that the difference between these is 20%. In the old days, bins were never this tight. The next generation after the 4.77 MHz 8088 was the 8 MHz model, nearly a 50% increase. The 486 went from 25-33-50-66-100, all at least 33% increases. All of these increases absolutely dwarf the 800-1000 MHz increase. So why do you keep harping on it? Too little technical knowledge to poke holes in the Intel plan?
I hate to say it but how can anyone be surprised about AMD and capacity problems? Old news. If its not a screwed up distribution network, they simply dont make enough chips. This is hardly surprising. What IS surprising is that they havent learned anything from their mistakes. Too bad, the Athlon is a kickin processor. I hope AMD didnt intend any big OEM's to make a deal to package the Athlon with their machines.
Do I have to go back to 386 now that there are not enough AMD chips ?!
Damn!
You can't handle the truth.
really? give us details. what instruction sequence fails on AMD? Can I have demo code to reproduce the failure? What is the workaround? Did you report the bug to AMD? Do you have documentation of that available?
I work for a company that uses AMD and Intel processors interchangably on mission critical machines. Both of them make chips that have passed all of our qualifications flawlessly so I have a lot of trouble believing you.
Okay, enough, we all know what you are, go back under your bridge and next time at least be funny.
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I've done it a few times, and hardly ever are dissenting opinions moderated down. Dissenting opinions are usually modded up, just by virtue of no being the same old crap over again. If not modded up, they are left at 0 or 1. If I see valid opinions modded down, I fix them.
The only things I ever see at -1 is absolute crap like ' naked and Petrified!' or stuff that doesn't make any sense at all. Even the gritsmen are usually amusing enough to survive.
Anyways, if you ruin the system, you won't take it over. Remember who holds all the power. Slashdot is not a democracy. Rob can change the system any time he likes, and he doesn't need to give you a reason. If you completely destroy moderation, he'll just remove comments or IP ban offenders.
If you think your ideas are so superior, why don't you start your own site? When on your first day you recieve 400 comments reading 'Project Takeover naked and petrified!', you will understand the meaning of moderation.
Until then, shut up.
This is the gamer chip to buy. It goes for about 1/2 the price of intel same clockspeed pentiums, and outperforms it in floating point by far. I know most benchmarks show a 20-30% performance incrase, but when you kick in 3dnow2, with 3dfx drivers mini drivers for amd chips, you get such a gigantic boost in overall 3d performance. I have used and built p3 450-550's and k7 500-700's and taking into count the 500's on each side, I can't see why any gamer would use a pentium. Now in interger performance when compiling and just doing basic photoshop/winamp/irc/loads of other tiny apps, i noticed both responded pretty well (although most of the speed was probably based on ram (which i used the same speed and kind in all the machines).
When it comes to combatability the myth about amd systems nitpicking for ram is somewhat true. With some systems I have seen ram rejected that worked perfectly in p3 systems, but then again those were only 2 systems, and its always a crap shoot when you buy your hardware anyways. Always buy from a place with a decent return policy, so many hardware dealers will sell you returned merchandise (frys) without telling you. Never buy at those computer shows, you will find a lot of athlon and p3 systems that were returned at local shops and sold at so called bargain prices, but are broken.
On a side note pc133 ram is ugly, i don't trust it yet since ive had so many problems with it. Stick to the cheaper pc100, ram speed is not going to increase overall performance in most scenarios, since your system's governor is typically video or ram (amount) related.
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None of my friends buy Athlons because AMD has a poor reputation. One of my friends bought a K6-2 and it was a POS. We had to underclock it around 100 mhz just to use it at all, and it crashed frequently for no reason.
We've never, ever, had any kind of problems with any Intel processors.
Now, Athlons are a new thing, and they might be different. If I upgrade, I'll probably get an Athlon, but that's just because I'm adventurous and poor (college student.)
Why would that be the CPU's fault? If anything, it's probably the sound card or the video card (or at least their drivers). CPU's get told something, and output a response. Unless the cpu is broken, 2+2 = 4.
Video cards and sound cards are proprietary as hell, and have gotten worse and worse with windows 9x around. Gone are the times for legacy support, everyone who matters runs windows, didn't you know that? Why would you want to play DOS games anyway?! You don't like these new 3D games that are all graphics? I know I personally don't give a sh*t about gameplay anymore, the graphics are great!!
:) anyway.. because of windows being the most common thing now, they focus their drivers on that, and don't worry much (or at all) on providing any sort of support to DOS applications. Usually windows will try to do it itself (slloooww), but usually messes it up. (Ok.. it's windows, did anyone expect anything different?)
(btw: I use windows, tho I would like to go to linux, I don't have enough disk space to dual boot.. which I know I"d have to do because my family needs things EXACTLY the same or they flip)
well, i guess i am lucky that my k7 600 showed up friday - unfortunately, i can't get it to boot.
system:
msi k7 pro mainboard
k7 600
250 w power supply
pc100 32M
(also tried a 235w ps, 2x32M pc 100, and 1x128M pc 133)
the machine hangs on the memory test in all cases (those nice diagnostic led's are about the only thing that work). i have removed all the cards/disconnected ide etc cables, and nothing changes.
any thoughts ?
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Actually, thanks to the insanities of the ia32 ISA, Intel and AMD have about equal odds of being 100% compatible. Intel engineers don't KNOW their new chips are 100% compatible: they just run a lot of tests on them. Indeed, from what I understand, compiling and running a Linux kernel is one of the tests they run.
Think about it this way: P6-cores translate x86 instructions into uOP's, which is in many ways a new instruction set, and they execute the uOP's in the core. Athlon chips do a very similar thing. Do you think EITHER of these cores behave a lot like a 386, given they aren't even running the same ISA internally?
AMD systems have had problems in the past, and most of them have been chipset related (particularly with regards to AGP). Oddly enough, Intel systems have had problems as well. Rest assured, the current crop of VIA chipset based motherboards out there SERIOUSLY kick butt and are very reliable.
Microsoft vouches for Windows on AMD chips, and that's good enough for me. If anybody would have tons of bizarre ia32 instruction paths it'd be Microsoft.
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payn noted that in this situation dell can just push for the pentiums... it's funny how AMD and Apple ran into the same production problems, yet have the better chips. i hope that both see that they ARE in demand, and that people recognize their alternatives (faster, cooler chips).
although apple has a bigger problem relying on motorola. what if they ditch motorola and work with a better chip company that can deliver fast, cool processors and, OH - wait a second - there's an idea!
This world is full of too many red M&Ms.
I don't want a Merced. I would prefer a SledgeHammer. What is that you say? Why, that is the next Gen AMD chip. It will run x86 instructions MUCH faster than the Merced's.
Oh but you say you don't NEED that right? Well, given that most software out there right now runs on X86 you might find that you need the backwards compatibility.
Now, you might not need the x86 instrutions at all. Fine, then why wait? Get a Mac or a Alpha. They are not x86, and they are out right now.
A more insightful description of this is avalible over at Toms Hardware, here.
Will there be "tons of support" for Merced? I don't know about that; but then thats why I posted the link.
Try to hack my 31337 firewall!
Hmm...
Pentium 3 Vs. Athlon - Which Is Right For You?
[ Technology ] Posted by Hemos on Friday April 21, @10:49AM
Time passes...
Athlons Sold Out
[ AMD ] Posted by emmett on Saturday April 22, @03:44PM
Coincidence? Maybe...
The Signal/Noise ratio can be improved in two ways. Remaining silent is the OTHER way.
AMD currently rivals Intel in marketshare in the notebook PC market, and is currently closer to 20 percent industry-wide, nearly double what you claim they're at and nearly quadruple what they were a short two years ago.
Please get your facts, and then get them straight, before posting.
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p.s. - what intel plan? the concept of a "plan" seems to be novel there right now.
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Give us your tired, your poor... Except Cuban kids. We throw those back.
You do? Remember the few hundred Haitian refugees that arrived around the same time? Didn't take 5 months to send those back, did it? And when they don't get sent back, the NYPD uses them for target practice.
If that is true, why do communist countries have to devote so much effort to keeping their people in, while the U.S. spends so much effort keeping immigrants out? For instance, have you heard of the Berlin Wall? Are you aware the Cuba regularly employs its military to gun down refugees while they try to flee? For a better understanding of this issue, I suggest you read _The Black Book of Communism_, which is a survey of communist terror in virtually every country which has either experienced communist rule or had a militant communist political movement. During the 20th century, communist governments have killed 85-100 million of their own citizens - most of them during peacetime. Whatever "peactime" means in a communist country.
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I suspect that the reason these are sold out is because of the attempts by Linux peeps to build their own systems from scratch and thereby avoid the MS tax, like I did. but then again, maybe it is just a bunch of teeny boppers and their game machines. Wait till they realize that fatsre machines do not solve lag problems in Everquest.
Second largest? Blah. You have no idea what you are talking about. Intel is the largest, with Motorola a close second.
Don't need my suggestions? Who said I was offering suggestions? I was merely speculating about what AMD might do to improve its process in the future.
Audits by Compaq, HP, Gateway, etc. are of course going to offer praise to plants that do well in traditional manufacturing processes. If these processes work, then fine. Great. But if AMD is unable to meet production, they may need to look to alternatives.
I'm not saying JIT manufacturing is the be-all-end-all of processes. I'm not saying that it works for microprocessors right now but I'm sure that the R&D arms of companies like Intel and Motorola are looking into ways of making microprocessors using JIT manufacturing. Bet on it.
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All that matters in this particular case is that the father himself wants to stay in Cuba. That's really all that matters. If he wants to stay, that's his prerogative. Who are we to dictate to him where he should live and how he should live? If he goes back to Cuba even after now being in this country and having a real opportunity to stay here, then I have to say that it's his choice.
You idiots, all this means, is that AMD has pre-sold all it's expected production capacity for the next quarter to its wholesalers. Which is normal business practice; & guess what, those wholesalers (inc. AMD its self) are the ones who sell to all the OEMS & retailers out there, who sell them to the likes of you & me. It does not mean there are no Athlons left, what a bunch of panic merchants, you lot are.
>The next generation after the 4.77 MHz 8088 was the 8 MHz model, nearly as
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>50% increase.
Excuse me? This is utter nonsense. At release, the 8086 was available as
an 8mhz part, including the 8-bit bus version, the 8088. IBM chose to
run it at 4.77, which was slower than the rated speed for the version
they were using (6mhz? It's been a while . .
hawk
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...to speak for yourself when all you are talking about is other ppl's preferences.
"I don't care about the Constitution!" --Bill O'Reilly, November 17, 2009
Ahh, yes, the fashionable "They went from 800 MHz to 1000 MHz, therefore the must be lying about the 1000 MHz parts" cliche. You will note that the difference between these is 20%.
Actually, the difference is 25%. You measure from the starting point, (200/800) not from the ending point, (200/1000) when measuring percent of increase.
So why do you keep harping on it? Too little technical knowledge to poke holes in the Intel plan?
Why do you keep harping on it? Too little mathematical knoweldge to poke hole in his plan?
Notice that at the time intel came up with a supposed "1GHz" PIII CPU there was no actual native 1GHz PIII CPU but rather an 850MHz PIII (or somesuch) overclocked to 1GHz.
"I don't care about the Constitution!" --Bill O'Reilly, November 17, 2009
Hm.. I've got K6II's and III's of all different speeds in homebuilt systems, and had no compatibility problems of ANY kind.. Even old DOS games you mentioned..
I also have a few Compaq machines at work with PII's and they give me CONSTANT problems.. (only 2 sim slots, Minimal PCI slots, Motherboard IRQ errors.. GAaa.. I have not had good experiences with compaq and their proprietary hacks.
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Both AMD's processors and Intel's processors comply, and are built to, the same specifications. X86. Therefore, any code written for an x86 processor will run on both AMD chips as well as Intel chips.
The reason we have seen incompatabilities in the past with different X86 specced chips has been because of the chipsets that were used in order to make the chips run. The BX chipset (which most people are familiar with) has been a very stable chipset. However, the chipsets that were first used with AMD's K6 line of chips was not stable nor perfected, and led to many 'incompatability' issues. These had nothing to do with the chip itself like many people were led to believe. Proof of this is seen in the fact that AMD has not made any major revisions to their K6 line of chips (till the K6+), however, there have been no large groups of people yelling about incompatabilities with their newly purchased K6 based computers. This is because while all those nice issues about incompatabilities were popping up, VIA dumped its old chipsets (which were the cause of the incompatabilities) in favor of the MVP3/4. Other chipset makers did the same.
Any these issues have been fixed with the Athlon line of chips from AMD as well. In fact, they were hardly ever even there. With the new chipset from VIA, any incompatabilities that arise do so mainly because of ignorance.
Intel on the other hand should have recieved the same flack that AMD got from its k6 line of CPUs. They have had many more incompatabilities with their i8xx line of chipsets than were ever present with Socket 7 chipsets.
Some things are better said in a dark room... Keep those comments to yourself at the dinner-table.
You idiots, all this means, is that AMD has pre-sold all it's expected production capacity for the next quarter to its wholesalers. Which is normal business practice; & guess what, those wholesalers (inc. AMD its self) are the ones who sell to all the OEMS & retailers out there, who sell them to the likes of you & me. It does not mean there are no Athlons left, what a bunch of panic merchants, you lot are.
Just so ppl know - the above link is NOT a press release. Please just ignore it and maybe it will go away...
Packard Bell...?? right.
:] ARG!! there comes a time when we have to all have to relize that we at one time were clueless about computers and we made some dumb posts to slashdot.... or hell ask some of the relly old geeks you know the ones older than 20.. ask them to tell you about usenet and the internet before it was clogged with the dreaded port 80!!! :]
well yah its gotta be the cpu and not the soundcard that is not a soundblaster compatible... i mean comon.. oh yah i was hexediting the doom.exe and i saw if cpu!=GenuineIntel{ crash(); } else { work();}