Ya, having more than one location stopped us deploying WSUS here. If only there was a way to define upstream servers... Oh wait, there is.
Please, your school district is perfectly capable of deploying a solution. You choose not to, because you'd rather not have to learn something new. Much larger organizations than your district manage to do it.
You shouldn't have to update the OS to update the browser.
You don't; if you don't have IE open when you install this update, you won't need to reboot.
When I first installed XP, I had automatic updates turned on, but the very first one overwrote my perfectly good network driver with one that didn't work. I had a hell of a time figuring out what was wrong; the cable modem was sitting on the floor that morning so I thought the cat had knocked it off and broken it.
Sounds like your problem was compounded by your cat knocking the cable modem on the floor. If it hadn't, you probably would have found the answer sooner.
Anyone who has an experience like this either shuts off installing updates automatically, or is brain dead. I question the "99%" figure I believe you pulled out of a dark hairy orifice.
I routinuely let all security and critical updates approve automatically both at home and my company. We've had no problem thus far. Of course, I don't let drivers update through WU either..
Seven days unpatched is an eternity, considering that it only takes 20 minutes to have a virus.
I suppose you'd rather a rushed, untested patch be pushed through the door?
Windows should remove the browser from the OS. Having the OS itself get on the internet is madness.
IE is not installed any differently than Firefox. It's still a user land application.
On boot it should see if there is an active internet connection, and if so should look for updates, and if there are any should notify the user.
IE should check for browser updates on boot.
That's basically what Windows Update does, except on a different timetable.
Whenever I try to figure out why Microsoft writes its stuff ass-backwards, all I can think of is Lilly Tomlin in "Laugh In": "We're the phone company. We don't have to."
They're trying to make things as easy as possible for users, so you don't need a phd to use one.
Your school district sucks. A Windows server, with WSUS and group policy, would force all those computers to be updated. Indeed, we've just forced this patch to update by 6PM tonight at my company.
Hmm... except that they are finding that artificial sweeteners cause you to end up eating more, since your body detects "sweet" but isn't getting any calories for it. So it drives your hunger up.
How about we just stop paying for health problems with could be prevented by eating healthy and exercising? It amazes me the number of fat people that will have two whoopers, two large fries, oh and a diet coke please! Yes, that happens. My wife used to work in a bariatric clinic.
i never liked IE in the past, but 7 was ok, and I find myself actually liking IE 8. I've never looked at the source code to Firefox, so I could care less about my browser being open source. As far as security holes go... well I have vista with UAC enabled, so I'm not too worried. All browsers have security holes.
Huh? A bad job roofing can certainly cause injury to people. At the very least, it shows that the person knows what they are doing.. or you'd rather have people just put shingles on roofs without nailing them down and run off with the money?
Minium wage is not a very bad idea; McDs just can't lay off all its workers, or it won't be operating anymore. It wouldn't be needed if companies would pay fairly to begin with.
Any regulation on a business is fair game; they give up any right against regulation when they get their legal fiction which shields them (the people owning / running the company) from much liability.
I see you failed critial thinking. Honestly, you were taught ALL monopolies are bad? What a crappy school.
No, there's nothing wrong with the postal system, and a government run data link would be good. The telecoms have failed here. Of course, you're free to your own opinion, but I'll go back to enjoying my 10mb up and download internet connection, and high quaility tv and phone service... which neither Verizon or comcast could not deliever. http://www.burlingtontelecom.net/
Notice the second paragraph, which clears states WHILE YOU RE-ORIENT THE CONSOLE. Now, can you PROVE that the people with scratched disks didn't move the console?
XP, Vista, and Office 2007 are nothing luke what they will encounter in the real world. They'll be dealing with Windows 2015 and Office 2015...
I really hate to break this to you, but newer versions are similar enough that you can take what you've learned with you.
considering the coming depression I expect more businesses to go toward open source solutions.
Given the current recession, I think most companies will stay put. If they're not going to spend money to upgrade, they certainly aren't going to spend money to move to an entirely new platform. They'll squeeze more out of what they have, just like people are now keeping their cars longer than they did just last year.
The rich run things. They are in charge. They will make sure that theirs are taken care of, and if theeir kids are forced to go to public school, it will improve. As long as the poor's children are forced to have incompetent teachers, old material, crumbling buildings and so forth we have a two-tier, unequal education system.
Ya, keep telling yourself that. Its not YOUR fault you're failing, or having problems. Its everyone else. Forcing "rich" kids into school won't change anything, sorry. I love how you ignore that private school teachers are better than public school ones.. so instead of getting kids into THOSE schools, you want to bring the "rich" kids into public schools. All the while stealing money from me for your own benefit. Wonderful.
You answered your first question by quoting "I can't see my tax dollars wasted on something unnecessarily expensive".
I believe your zealotry makes you think the Windows license is unnecessary. The fact is businesses largely use Windows, and you do a disservice not teaching kids to use what they are going to encounter in the real world.
It doesn't matter, cheap
Ya, well, you get what you pay for too. I know.. I tried to go all OSS. It sucked, hard. I should be able to use my computer without investing endless hours making it work. And no, I'm not going to elaborate anymore. I'm tired of repeating myself to zealots.
I almost agree; not HOW it's paid but how much.
I explain why you're wrong in a reply to another poster that answered my original post. Public schooling is a huge waste of money, and lowers the standard of education for everyone.
So much for equal opportunity. I think private schools should be abolished. If the rich had to send their kids to public school, the public school system wouldn't be so abysmal.
You really have no idea what you're talking about. The rich pay property tax too, the most common way to fund public education. They don't get out of it paying it just because they send their kids to private school. But I guess by your definition my parents, a machinist and x-ray tech., were rich by your standards, because I went to private school initially. And lets ignore that private school was a full two years ahead of what was being taught in public school when I finally went to public school.
I already addressed how the poor can pay for their kids education. Also, maybe it's time we stop "helping" all these poor people that can't seem to use a fucking condom and end up with 10 kids.
It's a benefit that can't be boiled down to monetary cost though. That's my point. The solution to the failing education system always seems to be "raise taxes to pay for better teachers." Of course, that's the whole reason the system is failing. You have a public run school, which can arbitrarly take more money at any time, competing with private schools. The private schools can't charge too much, because parents will move thier kid to the "free" public school. So they must be cost concience. The public school meanwhile does have some pressure, in that it's difficult to raise taxes, and people don't like that... but it usually gets what it wants, but there is no reason for the system to be efficent, leading to a lot of waste.
I never said education was bad, but the way we are paying for it is creating the problem, not solving for it. The system I propose is privatized schools, which must meet state requirements, funded directly by the parents. They can then choose the best they can afford, with help from goverment education loans (much like we pay for college). I believe THAT system would work far better than the current race to the bottom we have now.
I'd like to see a Windows-free educational system.
Why? So your favorite OS can be instilled much the same way you hate how Windows is instilled?
I can't see my tax dollars wasted on something unnecessarily expensive when the money couold go somewhere more necessary, like fixing the buildings or paying the teachers better.
Schools don't pay anywhere close to full price for their licenses.
If they were better paid, perhaps we wouldn't have such incompetent ones, and I say that as a dad who fought my own school district when my now grown kids were in school. Of every ten teachers I've met, one MIGHT have been a good one.
I believe the fault there is how education is being paid for. People (rightfully) don't want to pay any more in taxes than they already do. Some, like myself, don't want to pay at all for someone else's kids education. Ya, ya, supposedly it "benefits" me in some way. Until someone can argue specifics and not generalities (my son might be a doctor that saves your life! Maybe, but more likely not.), I think parents should pay for thier own kids schooling. If schools actually had to compete for teachers, I think we'd find many more good teachers. As it is, most choose to use the "free" school system, and thus reap the "benefits."
See, your math is nonsense. Not that it's wrong, its just that you CAN'T combine all those minutes to get something productive. The minute I save each day isn't going to make a difference to the next day.
It sounds like your last group says "God set it up all,and now it's playing out." Would that be fair? If so, how does the "don't eat fish on friday" part fit in? That's my problem... as science progresses, it seems to push gods direct involvement further and further away, to the point where I ask myself now.. why do we even need to have a god that did anything?
Well, as of right now the posters haven't broken any law, because it hasn't been shown their posts are defamatory. It would be up to the owner to prove they are, would it not?
I think you're right, but it would also be the responsiblity of the one filing to prove actual harm had been done by the comments on the website. So he'd have to find someone that said they were going to go to the DD, saw the forum post, and then decided not to.
The regulations that especially need to go are the ones regarding employment. I, as a high school student, ought to be able to go and flip burgers for a pittance. (Hey, I've an idea! Let's require computer techs to be licensed before they can run helpdesks or do house calls! That way we make sure people don't pay for bad work!) I also ought to be able to go and install a floor, furnace or pipe in someone's house, if they're willing to pay me. If I kill myself it's my own fault.
Argh... I was with you up until this nonsense. Please, go research what the 1800 and 1900s were like. What you propose is virtual slavery, where there's no motive for anyone to offer a job that doesn't needlessly risk the loss of my arm, or worse.
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Ya, having more than one location stopped us deploying WSUS here. If only there was a way to define upstream servers... Oh wait, there is.
Please, your school district is perfectly capable of deploying a solution. You choose not to, because you'd rather not have to learn something new. Much larger organizations than your district manage to do it.
I applied the update to Server 2003, Server 2003 R2, and Vista, and none required a reboot if IE wasn't open.
Quite a fitting alias..
Windows NT was always designed with security and multiple users in mind. The last version of Windows you're complaining about was WinME.
You shouldn't have to update the OS to update the browser.
You don't; if you don't have IE open when you install this update, you won't need to reboot.
When I first installed XP, I had automatic updates turned on, but the very first one overwrote my perfectly good network driver with one that didn't work. I had a hell of a time figuring out what was wrong; the cable modem was sitting on the floor that morning so I thought the cat had knocked it off and broken it.
Sounds like your problem was compounded by your cat knocking the cable modem on the floor. If it hadn't, you probably would have found the answer sooner.
Anyone who has an experience like this either shuts off installing updates automatically, or is brain dead. I question the "99%" figure I believe you pulled out of a dark hairy orifice.
I routinuely let all security and critical updates approve automatically both at home and my company. We've had no problem thus far. Of course, I don't let drivers update through WU either..
Seven days unpatched is an eternity, considering that it only takes 20 minutes to have a virus.
I suppose you'd rather a rushed, untested patch be pushed through the door?
Windows should remove the browser from the OS. Having the OS itself get on the internet is madness.
IE is not installed any differently than Firefox. It's still a user land application.
On boot it should see if there is an active internet connection, and if so should look for updates, and if there are any should notify the user.
IE should check for browser updates on boot.
That's basically what Windows Update does, except on a different timetable.
Whenever I try to figure out why Microsoft writes its stuff ass-backwards, all I can think of is Lilly Tomlin in "Laugh In": "We're the phone company. We don't have to."
They're trying to make things as easy as possible for users, so you don't need a phd to use one.
Your school district sucks. A Windows server, with WSUS and group policy, would force all those computers to be updated. Indeed, we've just forced this patch to update by 6PM tonight at my company.
There's no need to restart for this update either, provided you close Internet Explorer before running the update.
I find your post amusing. What actual value does gold have, except that you are willing to trade it for goods or services?
Hmm... except that they are finding that artificial sweeteners cause you to end up eating more, since your body detects "sweet" but isn't getting any calories for it. So it drives your hunger up.
How about we just stop paying for health problems with could be prevented by eating healthy and exercising? It amazes me the number of fat people that will have two whoopers, two large fries, oh and a diet coke please! Yes, that happens. My wife used to work in a bariatric clinic.
Public roads benefit me far more than public eduction or health care.
i never liked IE in the past, but 7 was ok, and I find myself actually liking IE 8. I've never looked at the source code to Firefox, so I could care less about my browser being open source. As far as security holes go... well I have vista with UAC enabled, so I'm not too worried. All browsers have security holes.
Huh? A bad job roofing can certainly cause injury to people. At the very least, it shows that the person knows what they are doing.. or you'd rather have people just put shingles on roofs without nailing them down and run off with the money?
Minium wage is not a very bad idea; McDs just can't lay off all its workers, or it won't be operating anymore. It wouldn't be needed if companies would pay fairly to begin with.
Any regulation on a business is fair game; they give up any right against regulation when they get their legal fiction which shields them (the people owning / running the company) from much liability.
I see you failed critial thinking. Honestly, you were taught ALL monopolies are bad? What a crappy school.
No, there's nothing wrong with the postal system, and a government run data link would be good. The telecoms have failed here. Of course, you're free to your own opinion, but I'll go back to enjoying my 10mb up and download internet connection, and high quaility tv and phone service... which neither Verizon or comcast could not deliever. http://www.burlingtontelecom.net/
I know it's novel, but here: http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/microsoft/archives/156941.asp
Notice the second paragraph, which clears states WHILE YOU RE-ORIENT THE CONSOLE. Now, can you PROVE that the people with scratched disks didn't move the console?
Huh... well it might not act like svn, because its not a version control system. You seem to horribly misunderstand what sharepoint is.
XP, Vista, and Office 2007 are nothing luke what they will encounter in the real world. They'll be dealing with Windows 2015 and Office 2015...
I really hate to break this to you, but newer versions are similar enough that you can take what you've learned with you.
considering the coming depression I expect more businesses to go toward open source solutions.
Given the current recession, I think most companies will stay put. If they're not going to spend money to upgrade, they certainly aren't going to spend money to move to an entirely new platform. They'll squeeze more out of what they have, just like people are now keeping their cars longer than they did just last year.
The rich run things. They are in charge. They will make sure that theirs are taken care of, and if theeir kids are forced to go to public school, it will improve. As long as the poor's children are forced to have incompetent teachers, old material, crumbling buildings and so forth we have a two-tier, unequal education system.
Ya, keep telling yourself that. Its not YOUR fault you're failing, or having problems. Its everyone else. Forcing "rich" kids into school won't change anything, sorry. I love how you ignore that private school teachers are better than public school ones.. so instead of getting kids into THOSE schools, you want to bring the "rich" kids into public schools. All the while stealing money from me for your own benefit. Wonderful.
You answered your first question by quoting "I can't see my tax dollars wasted on something unnecessarily expensive".
I believe your zealotry makes you think the Windows license is unnecessary. The fact is businesses largely use Windows, and you do a disservice not teaching kids to use what they are going to encounter in the real world.
It doesn't matter, cheap
Ya, well, you get what you pay for too. I know.. I tried to go all OSS. It sucked, hard. I should be able to use my computer without investing endless hours making it work. And no, I'm not going to elaborate anymore. I'm tired of repeating myself to zealots.
I almost agree; not HOW it's paid but how much.
I explain why you're wrong in a reply to another poster that answered my original post. Public schooling is a huge waste of money, and lowers the standard of education for everyone.
So much for equal opportunity. I think private schools should be abolished. If the rich had to send their kids to public school, the public school system wouldn't be so abysmal.
You really have no idea what you're talking about. The rich pay property tax too, the most common way to fund public education. They don't get out of it paying it just because they send their kids to private school. But I guess by your definition my parents, a machinist and x-ray tech., were rich by your standards, because I went to private school initially. And lets ignore that private school was a full two years ahead of what was being taught in public school when I finally went to public school.
I already addressed how the poor can pay for their kids education. Also, maybe it's time we stop "helping" all these poor people that can't seem to use a fucking condom and end up with 10 kids.
It's a benefit that can't be boiled down to monetary cost though. That's my point. The solution to the failing education system always seems to be "raise taxes to pay for better teachers." Of course, that's the whole reason the system is failing. You have a public run school, which can arbitrarly take more money at any time, competing with private schools. The private schools can't charge too much, because parents will move thier kid to the "free" public school. So they must be cost concience. The public school meanwhile does have some pressure, in that it's difficult to raise taxes, and people don't like that... but it usually gets what it wants, but there is no reason for the system to be efficent, leading to a lot of waste.
I never said education was bad, but the way we are paying for it is creating the problem, not solving for it. The system I propose is privatized schools, which must meet state requirements, funded directly by the parents. They can then choose the best they can afford, with help from goverment education loans (much like we pay for college). I believe THAT system would work far better than the current race to the bottom we have now.
I'd like to see a Windows-free educational system.
Why? So your favorite OS can be instilled much the same way you hate how Windows is instilled?
I can't see my tax dollars wasted on something unnecessarily expensive when the money couold go somewhere more necessary, like fixing the buildings or paying the teachers better.
Schools don't pay anywhere close to full price for their licenses.
If they were better paid, perhaps we wouldn't have such incompetent ones, and I say that as a dad who fought my own school district when my now grown kids were in school. Of every ten teachers I've met, one MIGHT have been a good one.
I believe the fault there is how education is being paid for. People (rightfully) don't want to pay any more in taxes than they already do. Some, like myself, don't want to pay at all for someone else's kids education. Ya, ya, supposedly it "benefits" me in some way. Until someone can argue specifics and not generalities (my son might be a doctor that saves your life! Maybe, but more likely not.), I think parents should pay for thier own kids schooling. If schools actually had to compete for teachers, I think we'd find many more good teachers. As it is, most choose to use the "free" school system, and thus reap the "benefits."
See, your math is nonsense. Not that it's wrong, its just that you CAN'T combine all those minutes to get something productive. The minute I save each day isn't going to make a difference to the next day.
It sounds like your last group says "God set it up all,and now it's playing out." Would that be fair? If so, how does the "don't eat fish on friday" part fit in? That's my problem... as science progresses, it seems to push gods direct involvement further and further away, to the point where I ask myself now.. why do we even need to have a god that did anything?
Huh? Really? Where does it say that in the First Amendment? "Congress shall make no law ... abridging the freedom of speech... "
Well, as of right now the posters haven't broken any law, because it hasn't been shown their posts are defamatory. It would be up to the owner to prove they are, would it not?
I think you're right, but it would also be the responsiblity of the one filing to prove actual harm had been done by the comments on the website. So he'd have to find someone that said they were going to go to the DD, saw the forum post, and then decided not to.
The regulations that especially need to go are the ones regarding employment. I, as a high school student, ought to be able to go and flip burgers for a pittance. (Hey, I've an idea! Let's require computer techs to be licensed before they can run helpdesks or do house calls! That way we make sure people don't pay for bad work!) I also ought to be able to go and install a floor, furnace or pipe in someone's house, if they're willing to pay me. If I kill myself it's my own fault.
Argh... I was with you up until this nonsense. Please, go research what the 1800 and 1900s were like. What you propose is virtual slavery, where there's no motive for anyone to offer a job that doesn't needlessly risk the loss of my arm, or worse.
Alternately, these newly employed workers just use the paycheck to pay off debt (which likely racked up quite a bit while unemployed) and save money.
What you propose (and Obama) is the same as FDR... but the New Deal didn't get the economy going again, WW2 did.