Except this is a larger area than a single store. If i can't get reliable coverage in half my county, people ARE likely to switch. It's actually the reason I'm on Verizon. I hate them, and would rather use pretty much ANY other provider... but none of them have close to the coverage of Verizon. The whole point of a cell phone is to make calls / text.. communicate... if you can't do that, people won't be happy.
As far as your nonsense on government mandates... fortunately government can do more than one thing at a time, so I don't see your point as relevent. To suggest we shouldn't fix smaller problems because larger problems are still unsolved is rather silly... we'd never get anything done, because larger problems require more time and more complex solutions.
If they're locked in, how is your company transitioning? And it sounds like your company decided MS isn't worth it for them, and thus is moving away. Which proves my point.. people aren't buying Windows that don't want to be.
I disagree on your assement on Linux though; MS or Apple are better than Linux would be. Cost of software isn't everything, and over the life of a machine isn't really relevent... unless your company also falsely believes they need to have the latest version of everything.
True.. but business also don't continue to throw good money after bad. I never said it was simple or easy or cheap, but it can be done, especially if they're convienced it will be cheaper in the long run.
Take a breath, then think, and realize that you can replace religion with any other special interest group. It's not a troll, and quite frankly it's pretty ignorant of you to not understand that our Founders felt the same way about democracy, and that's why they ruled it out as a form of government.
Can you make a second full blown root user? No, not out of the box. You can also make unprivledged users in Windows as well, so I don't see your point there. Yes, I know all about user and group settings in Linux. Without creating a whole new group, can you give yourself a group of others EXCEPT bob access to a directory? I've not found a way to do that without ACLs. I know linux can support them... but it's not baked in by default. I never found an easy way to get support, and even if you can do it for files, that leaves a lot of other appliction areas that don't know about ACLs at all. (Think access to objects im memory).
I never mentioned network abilities at all, so I fail to see the point of mentioning iptables.
Yes, I certainly can modify the source. And then maintain my changes, test them with every kernel release, and have all the burden of being a developer of my own special OS fork. Or I can use Windows, which has the features I want already built in, and still provides hooks for things I need to plug in.
Please, take your holier than thou attitude and shove it up your ass. I'm sure it's Morally wrong to speed, or park some arbitrary space that says "no parking" right? It's also god's will that I give part of my income to the IRS?
What i want is for people like you to stop interfering with everyone else when there has been no harm done. I want people like you to stop taking my money and using it to teach junk science to children who I don't even know.
Live your life as you want, and let me do the same. Stop trying to impose your arbitrary nonsense on me.
Oh please. There's a difference between someone having a "problem" with something MS and that person abandoning MS. My Honda has had it's problems too, but they were insignficant or properly handled by the vendor. If it got to the point were someone didn't want MS anymore, they go find something else. Simple as that.
And I never said they were relevent because they were big; they're relevent because they actually DO give customers what they want. I know, you can't possibly fathom it's true. But people aren't flocking to Linux; they know it's out there, but MS fits their needs better. I know apple has gained some marketshare. Personally, I don't think that will continue as people continue to realize that Apple has it's own problems as well... just like I learned the hard way that Linux isn't perfect either.
Hmm... you think they are becoming irrelevent, but that doesn't seem to be the case. FWIW, MS Research is one of the largest research companies in the world. We heard the same thing by the way years ago; MS is late to the internet party (with IE, IIS, etc) and it will spell their doom. It didn't happen; they don't turn on a dime, but they do turn. They'll figure out how to make money on netbooks, and they'll figure out a compelling reason for people to WANT to purchase their software.
Well apparently he DID have a landline, if you bothered reading the post. Of course and landline doesn't help if he had to do something important for himself or his family; buy gas for a generator, food, whatever. A cell phone makes him reachable no matter where he is, a landline does not.. which is likely why they called his cell first. Of course, nobody seems to know AT&T dropped the ball, and so didn't bother with the landline.. they assumed the cell network was fine.
Why should they pay Vodafone a per minute rate for you to roam when they have a native network in the area where you happen to be?
Because the native network is not as strong of a signal, and it would be a better service for the customer? Seriously, if the companies were FORCED to allow this, they'd either 1) continue eating the cost or 2) improve signal in the affected area. If they did 3) raise rates and do nothing else, they'd quickly lose customers to the provider with better coverage.
Ya, real democracy, wonderful. So that a 90% Christian nation can impose its morals on everyone. No, we need to remove blue laws, not give people the chance to make more. Our republic is supposed to be setup so that the majority can't run roughshod over minorities. Democracy is nothing more than codified mob rule.
I got a Sony Vaoi for my wifes business, and it seemed to work fine. It has Vista Business pre-installed. I joined it to my network, tried to logon using my network logon and blue screen.
After some fighting, I figured out it was only network logons causing the issue. I grabbed my retail cd and reformatted and installed Vista again. Since I used the product key on the laptop, i got vista business back. Everything has been fine from that point on.
I suspect its all the pre-loaded garbage that every OEM stuffs onto your computers causing the issue.
See, that's why it would work though. You can't be sure you're not going to be the "first loser" so you don't be an asshole or drive dangerously... the same law applies to you.
Anyway, they already have something similar in GA I think. Society has not collapsed there yet, last I heard.
Well, similar isn't good enough for this kind of test. Especially given that two diffrent versions of java were used.
And the end result seems questionable in my mind; do I care if DOS is faster than Windows? Windows is slower because it has security checks in place. Windows has more fine grained control over security than Linux (ACLs to control access, vs. the normal user / group / world). So ya, one may be faster, but it may be faster over a feature I care more about than performance. Did they even attempt to include that in the analysis?
Seems like it's just a quick cheap way to bash Windows, more than an experiement to show something useful.
You eiether have never used Microsoft software, or you write it. I've used Microsoft since DOS and since about the time Windows 95 came out, no version of any package or OS is less like the previous version's than the competetitor's.
I've used MS stuff since DOS 3.
When we switched from Quattro to XL in the late nineties, Excel was different enough I had them send me to a 3 day class. Then they upgraded to the next version of Office, and that training was wasted money -- the newer version of Excel was more like the Quattro I had been using than the Excel I had taken traiing on.
Thanks for the anecdote. Are you going to cite something in the past decade though? Or stick by a sole example more than 10 years old? The UI for Excel also has not changed much. Sorry if you're confused because of your use of a competing product, but that's hardly MS' fault.
Three years ago I had them install Foxpro, as I'd gotten good at programming in it years earlier, and hate Access. The last I'd used was six, they upgraded to 8. I have no clue how to work it; it is completely foreign.
So you're knowledge of carborators should apply to fuel injected cars? Yes, programming languages evolve, just like real languages. Something is wrong with your logic; there's a lot more Access out there than Foxpro, and your personal preference sounds like a bad choice for your company. FWIW though, I have kept up with access through the years, yes it's changed. They added features. But the basic premise is, and remains the same. Even the UI is familar enough, and I rarely use access.
They tell me the newest version of Office has "ribbons". Well, whenever my office upgrades again I'll have to learn it all over -- again.
If you feel like you're learning everything from scratch again... well, you're in the wrong industry. You fail to see similarities and are thrown off by a few differences. The core Office is largely the same. I bought Office 2007 without ever seeing the ribbon. I took me about 10 minutes to find what I needed. It's actually easier to find what you want with the ribbon, which is kinda the point of the UI..
You can blow smoke up a newbie's ass, bud, but not mine -- I use the stuff. Lack of backwards UI is one of my biggest gripes about Microsoft.
Oh, sorry if the icon doesn't remain unchanged for eternity. Did you fight running water and electricty too? How about those new fangled cell phones? Can you figure out those, or are they too difficult as well? Because you know, making a call is slightly different than a corded phone.
IF. When everyone else standardizes on the next version of office and they can't read the files any more, they'll have two choices -- pay to upgrade to the newest version of Office, or get an office suite that will read the old and new files (Like Star Office).
That's a myth. People exchange pdfs far more than doc files or xls files. I've yet to work for a company (and I"ve worked for some HUGE ones) that had to upgrade their office software because another company they dealt with did.
I'm not the one who's failing and having problems. But everyone around me seems to be.
Heh. You keep teling yourself that. I believe there's a specifical mental illness that describes you, but the name eludes me at the moment.
They are better -- they get paid better. If private schools were illegal, those quality teachers would be in public schools, who would be forced to pay better salaries, because the rich would insist on it.
Ahh ya, kill competition, that's the way to high quality! Of course you're right, those teachers would automatically get paid the same in public schooling.. weird how they didn't choose public schools to begin with huh? Thank god no one ever changes careers. And of course those high quality teachers would NEVER be teaching higher level courses that the rich kids are, but no room for the lower income kids (need to keep class sizes small, you know)
Hmm... I think I like my solution better; a law which says "first one to break the law, loses." So if you're a ped disobeying a signal and run over, the driver is 100% free and clear, because the ped broke the law.
I thing GA has something like that, which allowed a man to shoot another that broken into the man's house; had the man that was shot not broken the law, he'd be alive, so the shooter was aquitted. Let's apply this to all aspects of life... no more oppressive laws needed.
Here is the thing, I hate the drug laws, despise them actually. But I can't go out and start smoking pot because today it is STILL ILLEGAL.... The solution is to legalize pot, not smoke it and yell at the top of my lungs and say how dumb the laws are (they are...) How do I legalize pot? Work with the system and get it legalized.
Actually, thats what you should do. It's call Civil Disobedience. And per our Founders, you're under no obligation to obey an unjust law. It's actually your duty to ignore it.
Good. Can't wait. I'm more concerned about pedestrian safety having dodged many potentially fatal encounters. Know not one but two girls whose fathers were killed walking at a light or stop sign, in fact, so I'm quite militant about anything that FORCES people to be morally responsible when they drive.
Huh. If you were so concerned, you think you'd, you know, look before crossing the street and not assuming the cars will stop. I suppose thats too much to ask you to do though.
I have a feeling most ped accidents are because peds are breaking the rules. Of course, that may just be because here it seems like they feel they can do whatever they want, including crossing against signals and jay walking. The best was this morning; the streets are a slick mess because of days of snow storms. Two peds decided it was safer to walk along the gutter of a four lane road where there is literally no shoulder on a good day... even though the side walk they were on had also been plowed by the city.
Ok, well then why is you are saying Windows can't do something it clearly can?
Are you donating hardware or are you just making fun of our single lonely T1 line here at the office?
The update server doesn't need to be on it's own hardware, and it's requirements are pretty low. Disk space will be your biggest issue... but that can be managed by being picky about what kind of updates and for what products updates will be offered. And remembering to run the cleanup wizard from time to time.
As for the T1, that's all we have. Actually, at this office our internet connection has to go through the T1 to the other office, to go out on their T1. Fortunately, like your schools, no one is here at night, so having the updates download and install overnight lets us use bandwidth that would otherwise be wasted. But please, don't let me stop you from having your delusions about what you can or can't do.
We *HAVE* a solution. It's not a good one, and it's not what I'd like, but it's what can be done with what we have.
Yes, you do have a solution. It's not ideal, and I suspect its because you've never truely looked into how to setup the proper solution. I assume that because you claim you CAN'T do it in your environment, and from what you've said, that's not true.
Unfortunately, precisely because of the geographical distribution of our students (pretty much all of PA), most solutions simply will not work. The few that are left are the hackneyed mostly-standalone way we're doing it, or are less functional or vastly more expensive, or most often, *both*.
See, there you go again. How is it a large multi-nation corporation can have their network managed from Germany and affect workstations all over the US using Windows, but you claim it just can't be done in your district? Yes, I realize your resources are also smaller... but using WSUS is really very simple, and not as demanding on a server as you seem to think. With proper planning, I can't think of a reason why you couldn't get it to work, even if you had to do the setup over several years for budget reasons.
Maybe I'm missing something, but is the code for the JVM itself 100% identical on both platforms?
Also, what about running services? Linux and Windows both have a different set of multiple running services. Yes, if Windows is "doing more" by default than Linux that will slow the application, and you can argue about whehter or not Windows should be doing more, but its not as if the sole purpose of either OS is to run Java applications as quickly as possible.
So... all this tells us is that in their configurations, Linux runs their Java programs faster.. which if thats ALL you care about is fine... but most users also care about other services either OS provides.
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It may be a lot, but if I can infect a small part of 80% of computers or a small part of 20% of computers... well it's really a no brainer.
Except this is a larger area than a single store. If i can't get reliable coverage in half my county, people ARE likely to switch. It's actually the reason I'm on Verizon. I hate them, and would rather use pretty much ANY other provider... but none of them have close to the coverage of Verizon. The whole point of a cell phone is to make calls / text.. communicate... if you can't do that, people won't be happy.
As far as your nonsense on government mandates... fortunately government can do more than one thing at a time, so I don't see your point as relevent. To suggest we shouldn't fix smaller problems because larger problems are still unsolved is rather silly... we'd never get anything done, because larger problems require more time and more complex solutions.
If they're locked in, how is your company transitioning? And it sounds like your company decided MS isn't worth it for them, and thus is moving away. Which proves my point.. people aren't buying Windows that don't want to be.
I disagree on your assement on Linux though; MS or Apple are better than Linux would be. Cost of software isn't everything, and over the life of a machine isn't really relevent... unless your company also falsely believes they need to have the latest version of everything.
True.. but business also don't continue to throw good money after bad. I never said it was simple or easy or cheap, but it can be done, especially if they're convienced it will be cheaper in the long run.
Take a breath, then think, and realize that you can replace religion with any other special interest group. It's not a troll, and quite frankly it's pretty ignorant of you to not understand that our Founders felt the same way about democracy, and that's why they ruled it out as a form of government.
Can you make a second full blown root user? No, not out of the box. You can also make unprivledged users in Windows as well, so I don't see your point there. Yes, I know all about user and group settings in Linux. Without creating a whole new group, can you give yourself a group of others EXCEPT bob access to a directory? I've not found a way to do that without ACLs. I know linux can support them... but it's not baked in by default. I never found an easy way to get support, and even if you can do it for files, that leaves a lot of other appliction areas that don't know about ACLs at all. (Think access to objects im memory).
I never mentioned network abilities at all, so I fail to see the point of mentioning iptables.
Yes, I certainly can modify the source. And then maintain my changes, test them with every kernel release, and have all the burden of being a developer of my own special OS fork. Or I can use Windows, which has the features I want already built in, and still provides hooks for things I need to plug in.
Please, take your holier than thou attitude and shove it up your ass. I'm sure it's Morally wrong to speed, or park some arbitrary space that says "no parking" right? It's also god's will that I give part of my income to the IRS?
What i want is for people like you to stop interfering with everyone else when there has been no harm done. I want people like you to stop taking my money and using it to teach junk science to children who I don't even know.
Live your life as you want, and let me do the same. Stop trying to impose your arbitrary nonsense on me.
Oh please. There's a difference between someone having a "problem" with something MS and that person abandoning MS. My Honda has had it's problems too, but they were insignficant or properly handled by the vendor. If it got to the point were someone didn't want MS anymore, they go find something else. Simple as that.
And I never said they were relevent because they were big; they're relevent because they actually DO give customers what they want. I know, you can't possibly fathom it's true. But people aren't flocking to Linux; they know it's out there, but MS fits their needs better. I know apple has gained some marketshare. Personally, I don't think that will continue as people continue to realize that Apple has it's own problems as well... just like I learned the hard way that Linux isn't perfect either.
Hmm... you think they are becoming irrelevent, but that doesn't seem to be the case. FWIW, MS Research is one of the largest research companies in the world. We heard the same thing by the way years ago; MS is late to the internet party (with IE, IIS, etc) and it will spell their doom. It didn't happen; they don't turn on a dime, but they do turn. They'll figure out how to make money on netbooks, and they'll figure out a compelling reason for people to WANT to purchase their software.
Nobody buys MS that doesn't want to.
Well apparently he DID have a landline, if you bothered reading the post. Of course and landline doesn't help if he had to do something important for himself or his family; buy gas for a generator, food, whatever. A cell phone makes him reachable no matter where he is, a landline does not.. which is likely why they called his cell first. Of course, nobody seems to know AT&T dropped the ball, and so didn't bother with the landline.. they assumed the cell network was fine.
Why should they pay Vodafone a per minute rate for you to roam when they have a native network in the area where you happen to be?
Because the native network is not as strong of a signal, and it would be a better service for the customer? Seriously, if the companies were FORCED to allow this, they'd either 1) continue eating the cost or 2) improve signal in the affected area. If they did 3) raise rates and do nothing else, they'd quickly lose customers to the provider with better coverage.
Um, doesn't the obscentity statute require community standards though?
Ya, real democracy, wonderful. So that a 90% Christian nation can impose its morals on everyone. No, we need to remove blue laws, not give people the chance to make more. Our republic is supposed to be setup so that the majority can't run roughshod over minorities. Democracy is nothing more than codified mob rule.
I got a Sony Vaoi for my wifes business, and it seemed to work fine. It has Vista Business pre-installed. I joined it to my network, tried to logon using my network logon and blue screen.
After some fighting, I figured out it was only network logons causing the issue. I grabbed my retail cd and reformatted and installed Vista again. Since I used the product key on the laptop, i got vista business back. Everything has been fine from that point on.
I suspect its all the pre-loaded garbage that every OEM stuffs onto your computers causing the issue.
See, that's why it would work though. You can't be sure you're not going to be the "first loser" so you don't be an asshole or drive dangerously... the same law applies to you.
Anyway, they already have something similar in GA I think. Society has not collapsed there yet, last I heard.
Hmm, reminds me of one of my cats. He likes lesbian porn.
Well, similar isn't good enough for this kind of test. Especially given that two diffrent versions of java were used.
And the end result seems questionable in my mind; do I care if DOS is faster than Windows? Windows is slower because it has security checks in place. Windows has more fine grained control over security than Linux (ACLs to control access, vs. the normal user / group / world). So ya, one may be faster, but it may be faster over a feature I care more about than performance. Did they even attempt to include that in the analysis?
Seems like it's just a quick cheap way to bash Windows, more than an experiement to show something useful.
You eiether have never used Microsoft software, or you write it. I've used Microsoft since DOS and since about the time Windows 95 came out, no version of any package or OS is less like the previous version's than the competetitor's.
I've used MS stuff since DOS 3.
When we switched from Quattro to XL in the late nineties, Excel was different enough I had them send me to a 3 day class. Then they upgraded to the next version of Office, and that training was wasted money -- the newer version of Excel was more like the Quattro I had been using than the Excel I had taken traiing on.
Thanks for the anecdote. Are you going to cite something in the past decade though? Or stick by a sole example more than 10 years old? The UI for Excel also has not changed much. Sorry if you're confused because of your use of a competing product, but that's hardly MS' fault.
Three years ago I had them install Foxpro, as I'd gotten good at programming in it years earlier, and hate Access. The last I'd used was six, they upgraded to 8. I have no clue how to work it; it is completely foreign.
So you're knowledge of carborators should apply to fuel injected cars? Yes, programming languages evolve, just like real languages. Something is wrong with your logic; there's a lot more Access out there than Foxpro, and your personal preference sounds like a bad choice for your company. FWIW though, I have kept up with access through the years, yes it's changed. They added features. But the basic premise is, and remains the same. Even the UI is familar enough, and I rarely use access.
They tell me the newest version of Office has "ribbons". Well, whenever my office upgrades again I'll have to learn it all over -- again.
If you feel like you're learning everything from scratch again... well, you're in the wrong industry. You fail to see similarities and are thrown off by a few differences. The core Office is largely the same. I bought Office 2007 without ever seeing the ribbon. I took me about 10 minutes to find what I needed. It's actually easier to find what you want with the ribbon, which is kinda the point of the UI..
You can blow smoke up a newbie's ass, bud, but not mine -- I use the stuff. Lack of backwards UI is one of my biggest gripes about Microsoft.
Oh, sorry if the icon doesn't remain unchanged for eternity. Did you fight running water and electricty too? How about those new fangled cell phones? Can you figure out those, or are they too difficult as well? Because you know, making a call is slightly different than a corded phone.
IF. When everyone else standardizes on the next version of office and they can't read the files any more, they'll have two choices -- pay to upgrade to the newest version of Office, or get an office suite that will read the old and new files (Like Star Office).
That's a myth. People exchange pdfs far more than doc files or xls files. I've yet to work for a company (and I"ve worked for some HUGE ones) that had to upgrade their office software because another company they dealt with did.
I'm not the one who's failing and having problems. But everyone around me seems to be.
Heh. You keep teling yourself that. I believe there's a specifical mental illness that describes you, but the name eludes me at the moment.
They are better -- they get paid better. If private schools were illegal, those quality teachers would be in public schools, who would be forced to pay better salaries, because the rich would insist on it.
Ahh ya, kill competition, that's the way to high quality! Of course you're right, those teachers would automatically get paid the same in public schooling.. weird how they didn't choose public schools to begin with huh? Thank god no one ever changes careers. And of course those high quality teachers would NEVER be teaching higher level courses that the rich kids are, but no room for the lower income kids (need to keep class sizes small, you know)
Last I checked, 80% is still more computers than 20%
Hmm... I think I like my solution better; a law which says "first one to break the law, loses." So if you're a ped disobeying a signal and run over, the driver is 100% free and clear, because the ped broke the law.
I thing GA has something like that, which allowed a man to shoot another that broken into the man's house; had the man that was shot not broken the law, he'd be alive, so the shooter was aquitted. Let's apply this to all aspects of life... no more oppressive laws needed.
Here is the thing, I hate the drug laws, despise them actually. But I can't go out and start smoking pot because today it is STILL ILLEGAL.... The solution is to legalize pot, not smoke it and yell at the top of my lungs and say how dumb the laws are (they are...) How do I legalize pot? Work with the system and get it legalized.
Actually, thats what you should do. It's call Civil Disobedience. And per our Founders, you're under no obligation to obey an unjust law. It's actually your duty to ignore it.
Good. Can't wait. I'm more concerned about pedestrian safety having dodged many potentially fatal encounters. Know not one but two girls whose fathers were killed walking at a light or stop sign, in fact, so I'm quite militant about anything that FORCES people to be morally responsible when they drive.
Huh. If you were so concerned, you think you'd, you know, look before crossing the street and not assuming the cars will stop. I suppose thats too much to ask you to do though.
I have a feeling most ped accidents are because peds are breaking the rules. Of course, that may just be because here it seems like they feel they can do whatever they want, including crossing against signals and jay walking. The best was this morning; the streets are a slick mess because of days of snow storms. Two peds decided it was safer to walk along the gutter of a four lane road where there is literally no shoulder on a good day... even though the side walk they were on had also been plowed by the city.
Thanks, yeah, I'm a lazy asshole.
Ok, well then why is you are saying Windows can't do something it clearly can?
Are you donating hardware or are you just making fun of our single lonely T1 line here at the office?
The update server doesn't need to be on it's own hardware, and it's requirements are pretty low. Disk space will be your biggest issue... but that can be managed by being picky about what kind of updates and for what products updates will be offered. And remembering to run the cleanup wizard from time to time.
As for the T1, that's all we have. Actually, at this office our internet connection has to go through the T1 to the other office, to go out on their T1. Fortunately, like your schools, no one is here at night, so having the updates download and install overnight lets us use bandwidth that would otherwise be wasted. But please, don't let me stop you from having your delusions about what you can or can't do.
We *HAVE* a solution. It's not a good one, and it's not what I'd like, but it's what can be done with what we have.
Yes, you do have a solution. It's not ideal, and I suspect its because you've never truely looked into how to setup the proper solution. I assume that because you claim you CAN'T do it in your environment, and from what you've said, that's not true.
Unfortunately, precisely because of the geographical distribution of our students (pretty much all of PA), most solutions simply will not work. The few that are left are the hackneyed mostly-standalone way we're doing it, or are less functional or vastly more expensive, or most often, *both*.
See, there you go again. How is it a large multi-nation corporation can have their network managed from Germany and affect workstations all over the US using Windows, but you claim it just can't be done in your district? Yes, I realize your resources are also smaller... but using WSUS is really very simple, and not as demanding on a server as you seem to think. With proper planning, I can't think of a reason why you couldn't get it to work, even if you had to do the setup over several years for budget reasons.
Well, if that's the test you're after, why wouldn't you test a server version of Linux against Windows 2008?
Maybe I'm missing something, but is the code for the JVM itself 100% identical on both platforms?
Also, what about running services? Linux and Windows both have a different set of multiple running services. Yes, if Windows is "doing more" by default than Linux that will slow the application, and you can argue about whehter or not Windows should be doing more, but its not as if the sole purpose of either OS is to run Java applications as quickly as possible.
So... all this tells us is that in their configurations, Linux runs their Java programs faster.. which if thats ALL you care about is fine... but most users also care about other services either OS provides.