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That was even probably more general - "nobody got fired for buying non-toy computers" won. One of the problems of Amiga was probably how inexpensive they were ("it can't be good for that little!"), and in large part sold via toy shops...
Re:IBM PCs compared extremely poorly with Amigas
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Where were the clones?
Yes, I know it was, sort of, an oversight on the part of IBM - still it happened; probably would be much harder with the hardware of Amiga; and the OS wasn't from some 3rd party manufacturer happy to supply it to anybody.
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But in the end, open architecture of PCs proved beneficial, also / especially to us. It was at least good enough in some areas at the beginning, and vastly improved in the meantime. Even MS wasn't so bad - for all their faults, they mostly succeeded in commoditizing the hardware; that made OSS easier, too. Amiga...well, for a long time now its zombie focuses on outrageously milking what's left of their fans.
Not saying they weren't great in their time; and really affordable, also in places where PCs would prove out of reach still for almost a decade; gave us real media editing. Even where Blender started. And if it was good for Babylon 5 orNASA... (and apparently for Scotty, too - supposedly the crew of Star Trek IV wanted an Amiga; but Commodore wouldn't provide it just like that, on notice; what could have been...)
In the US that's true. In other countries, there are much larger proportions of hybrids.
That's not very accurate. Vast majority of the world doesn't really touch the price ranges where hybrids are, so far. Those parts that do are often happy with compact cars (not many hybrids here yet) or simply diesels. Especially the former kind of places, but also the latter to a large degree - with higher average age of cars. In fact, when trying to quickly find some numbers, I got this - Japan certainly ahead of the US. Canada might be, considering their 10x smaller population and probably smaller number of cars per capita. Europe certainly isn't (yes, Netherlands there almost certainly is; Belgium for example might be, too...but UK probably not, not to mention all the rest; also of the world...that doesn't reallt add up to "other countries")
Anyway, the industry already determined that putting warning sounds is a good idea, without much of a legislation.
Where can I sample some RDF for me, so that I can know what Jobs really means at all times? (nevermind what he actually says, and what he doesn't correct after another big company, Adobe, follows the "what he said" line in high level PR response)
Hm, $4/gb is actually very close to a mobile prepaid, no contract, access that I use (~$16 for 4 GB, valid up to two months, and if it gets recharged before that point - the unused data credit is kept). One 18 month contract deal is even quite close to the baseline of (it seems) $36/15gb in the case of Rogers.
The point wasn't really that Flash is in any way a decent piece of software (I'd be damn glad if it wasn't needed here and there); just pointing out some slightly curious dissonance in messages from Apple.
Public understands "the computer crashes" in decently specific way...and considering Apple would like to see (and certainly cares about) only one browser engine on their machines, he could've just said 'Safari."
Again, there was no clarification. When will you get that?
"So what"? Oh, right, you might not want to discuss any actual essence of the case, just to focus on some technicalities...which actually made me put your darling in somewhat better light, heh:) (vs. its "adversary" in this specific case)
"X verb" - what is ambitious about it? (with many opportunities to clarify it, for example after such small fish as Adobe build their PR response around that part)
He has no secretary, etc.? He doesn't ever use a spellchecker? He...doesn't need a plumbing at his place to get approval by a pro with certificates? Oh my, he really is a messiah...
(you don't even know how long I use Apple products - but just that, use; not worship)
"If Jobs makes a statement that seems admitting some problems, ones very against Apple marketing, then he surely didn't really mean what was said", got it.
Either way, during that PR exchange Adobe specifically made a big deal out of it, so it's not like Steve couldn't clarify the wording...
Yeah, what I put in quotation marks actually puts Flash in worse light, so...
If Jobs meant something different than "if somebody says X crashes, then X crashes", then he had plenty of time to correct that (and nice opportunities, consider PR response from Adobe made a big deal out of this part)
Hahaha, you're getting hilarious. So, Steve suddenly must be wrong if what he said can present Macs in slightly bad light?:)
It's clear what he said. This specific part was adressed by Adobe during that vocal PR exchange we witnessed; he had many chances to clarify it, if that would be called for.
I'm wrong because I'm pointing a part of an important PR published during a very publicised debate (hence surely with some oversight), not "clarified" in a manner you'd like despite some other industry heavyweights adressing it specifically? Cute:)
Oh no, you're not getting away so easily with that one. Here, a word from the messiah: "We also know first hand that Flash is the number one reason Macs crash."
And the story with supposed impressive stability goes on for a long time (and is featured in Apple marketing - so quick to forget "Hi, I'm a Mac..."?)
On one hand, we have "Macs don't crash" - while on the other..."Flash is the cause of most Mac crashes" (nvm that other OSes do fine when Flash goes bonkers)
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That was even probably more general - "nobody got fired for buying non-toy computers" won. One of the problems of Amiga was probably how inexpensive they were ("it can't be good for that little!"), and in large part sold via toy shops...
Where were the clones?
Yes, I know it was, sort of, an oversight on the part of IBM - still it happened; probably would be much harder with the hardware of Amiga; and the OS wasn't from some 3rd party manufacturer happy to supply it to anybody.
But in the end, open architecture of PCs proved beneficial, also / especially to us. It was at least good enough in some areas at the beginning, and vastly improved in the meantime. Even MS wasn't so bad - for all their faults, they mostly succeeded in commoditizing the hardware; that made OSS easier, too.
Amiga...well, for a long time now its zombie focuses on outrageously milking what's left of their fans.
Not saying they weren't great in their time; and really affordable, also in places where PCs would prove out of reach still for almost a decade; gave us real media editing. Even where Blender started. And if it was good for Babylon 5 or NASA...
(and apparently for Scotty, too - supposedly the crew of Star Trek IV wanted an Amiga; but Commodore wouldn't provide it just like that, on notice; what could have been...)
600 - this one was almost like a laptop.
(hey, don't laugh; it was quite nice machine - and the price helped in some parts of the woods)
Supposedly can't be real for 2 years or so; with exclusivity deal, et al.
Anyway, even when it comes to Verizon, it will surely be for their LTE network. Nobody can really say how good / how quickly this one will get.
In the US that's true. In other countries, there are much larger proportions of hybrids.
That's not very accurate. Vast majority of the world doesn't really touch the price ranges where hybrids are, so far. Those parts that do are often happy with compact cars (not many hybrids here yet) or simply diesels. Especially the former kind of places, but also the latter to a large degree - with higher average age of cars. In fact, when trying to quickly find some numbers, I got this - Japan certainly ahead of the US. Canada might be, considering their 10x smaller population and probably smaller number of cars per capita. Europe certainly isn't (yes, Netherlands there almost certainly is; Belgium for example might be, too...but UK probably not, not to mention all the rest; also of the world...that doesn't reallt add up to "other countries")
Anyway, the industry already determined that putting warning sounds is a good idea, without much of a legislation.
Where can I sample some RDF for me, so that I can know what Jobs really means at all times? (nevermind what he actually says, and what he doesn't correct after another big company, Adobe, follows the "what he said" line in high level PR response)
Or the serious / crazy protesters might conclude that the Bender / etc. guys are serious (Poe's Law) - do we really want that? ;p
Hm, $4/gb is actually very close to a mobile prepaid, no contract, access that I use (~$16 for 4 GB, valid up to two months, and if it gets recharged before that point - the unused data credit is kept). One 18 month contract deal is even quite close to the baseline of (it seems) $36/15gb in the case of Rogers.
Oh, good, you've found another irrelevant technicality :) (would anyone get confused at what it was?)
So please, show how I'm definately wrong in just quoting Steve. Where's the clarification from Steve? He suddenly overlooked making that little thing?
(you might really read up the list; you just provided one boilerplate)
Maybe. OTOH it might be that, despite such legitimising quotes, the desired message gets through just fine.
You got confused by such use? (which was a response quite clearly directed to you)
Might explain some things...
The point wasn't really that Flash is in any way a decent piece of software (I'd be damn glad if it wasn't needed here and there); just pointing out some slightly curious dissonance in messages from Apple.
You might want to discover one day the mysterious and wonderfull concept of paraphrasing.
Wikipedia has a decent list of logical fallacies; reading it might be potentially slightly revealing to you :)
Public understands "the computer crashes" in decently specific way...and considering Apple would like to see (and certainly cares about) only one browser engine on their machines, he could've just said 'Safari."
Again, there was no clarification. When will you get that?
"So what"? Oh, right, you might not want to discuss any actual essence of the case, just to focus on some technicalities...which actually made me put your darling in somewhat better light, heh :) (vs. its "adversary" in this specific case)
"X verb" - what is ambitious about it? (with many opportunities to clarify it, for example after such small fish as Adobe build their PR response around that part)
He has no secretary, etc.? He doesn't ever use a spellchecker? He...doesn't need a plumbing at his place to get approval by a pro with certificates? Oh my, he really is a messiah...
(you don't even know how long I use Apple products - but just that, use; not worship)
"If Jobs makes a statement that seems admitting some problems, ones very against Apple marketing, then he surely didn't really mean what was said", got it.
Either way, during that PR exchange Adobe specifically made a big deal out of it, so it's not like Steve couldn't clarify the wording...
Yeah, what I put in quotation marks actually puts Flash in worse light, so...
If Jobs meant something different than "if somebody says X crashes, then X crashes", then he had plenty of time to correct that (and nice opportunities, consider PR response from Adobe made a big deal out of this part)
Hahaha, you're getting hilarious. So, Steve suddenly must be wrong if what he said can present Macs in slightly bad light? :)
It's clear what he said. This specific part was adressed by Adobe during that vocal PR exchange we witnessed; he had many chances to clarify it, if that would be called for.
In your experience vs. data which Apple has.
I'm wrong because I'm pointing a part of an important PR published during a very publicised debate (hence surely with some oversight), not "clarified" in a manner you'd like despite some other industry heavyweights adressing it specifically? Cute :)
Oh no, you're not getting away so easily with that one. Here, a word from the messiah: "We also know first hand that Flash is the number one reason Macs crash."
And the story with supposed impressive stability goes on for a long time (and is featured in Apple marketing - so quick to forget "Hi, I'm a Mac..."?)
Flash is more vivid and, well, funny example.
On one hand, we have "Macs don't crash" - while on the other..."Flash is the cause of most Mac crashes" (nvm that other OSes do fine when Flash goes bonkers)
Which one is it?